Prog comeback
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Topic: Prog comeback
Posted By: johnfripp
Subject: Prog comeback
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 16:15
I dont know about you but to me it seems like there are more prog rock artists coming out these days and some are actualy popular lets here what you think do you agree or not.
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 17:52
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I think not everybody will agree with you that Prog was "away". That discussion aside, there is much yes, but, please define 'popular'. Porcupine Tree and Opeth can make a living yes, but would you call them popular? I've yet to meet somebody who knows them without me having slapped them around the ears with it first ! |
Posted By: squire4001
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:04
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Perhaps if you mean about the vintage prog is back, well then Rush is back! anyway I think the Progressive rock has always been here, just need to search very well in music! ------------- Prog´ everyday in every way of your life including music! |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:07
haha well what i ment by the more popular artists is more of the crossover prog rockers like radiohead. and dream theater is prety popular and so is rush
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Bonnek wrote:Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:12
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Yes, those are popular, but not very "these days".  Some of these guys must be over 70  |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:17
| No there in there mid 40s to 60s and radiohead is very poular |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:22
They never left!
It's your imagination and selection of music!
It has always been there, and available to anyone that was willing and wanting to listen to it.
Nothing has changed in 40 years, except that you have a new t-shirt to wear ... but it is very difficult for people to get off the top ten mold (check out the lists thread!) and go for the real thing, instead of a song. Oh well, at least the record companies will keep on staying happy as long as we are too stupid to kiss their product so well! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:33
| Well i dont quite understand the t shirt thing but what ever. fist what i ment was that its starting to get more recognized in the general media and i never said it left i think these days people are starting to become more open minded well some people atleast. and 2nd i dont listen to anything on the charts is all pretty much the same crap regegitated over and over again with the same oh baby i love you and other really repulsive song topics so i mean i never listen to that crap |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:43
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I can see what you're getting at but... They aren't exactly popular. As Bonnek said, Opeth and Porcupine Tree can make a living but aren't known by all people. Nonetheless, they are gaining fans (heck PT hit the charts with The Incident) and more bands nowadays are getting progressive qualities and I thank some of the brave record companies who let their artists do that.
As for Radiohead, they are a good example of being mainstream but having enough experimentalism in them to be included on the site  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 18:46
| Thats exactly what im geting at and i think dream theater was on the charts for there new album |
Posted By: WilliamRynearson
Date Posted: June 28 2010 at 21:29
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I'm sure there will be another progressive movement, only it will be WAY different.
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 05:02
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theres a Nike advert n the tv at the moment with Hocus Pocus as the background music thats pretty awsome and will probably make people look it up and listen too more Focus then suddenly everybodys listening to eruption -------------  
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 05:34
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I don't think prog is that popular, nor was it in the nineties. It's just way easier to find people who are also interested in prog, form a band and record an album. With modern technology it isn't impossible anymore to make own demo's or even albums. Furthermore, the instruments are accessible now. There's an internet community that gives space for bands coming with new albums without music business interfering. Making prog has become much easier! ...I didn't say it is simple though.
Metal is popular, and some progressive metal and alt-rock bands like Opeth and Porcupine Three. |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 06:03
| PT and opeth arent really alt rock exept Pt HAs some song s that are |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 07:04
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TV ad in the UK running at peak time for a prog rock compilation at the moment - ELP, Focus, Yes, Tull and others. Called Wonderous Stories and selling very fast, apparently.
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 10:13
I havnt seen this ad what chanells is it running on? -------------
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 11:44
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I believe that artists in this generation are sort of realizing that music has, once again, become very stagnant. Many artists across different genres are starting to branch out more often, and though prog may still not be the most popular, I believe that in the near future we'll see a semi-popular prog movement again (much like in the 70's). -------------  
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 11:49
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 11:55
Dream Theater and Opeth shirts are a commen sight for me, on occaision I've even seen Wolves in the Throne Room, Between the Buried and Me, Riverside and Pagans Mind. It certainly seems like the metal side of prog has gained quite a bit of popularity, if not chart success (which is near meaningless these days). ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 11:59
Wait, prog went away? 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 13:18
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It's never been away, it's never going away, it's here to stay for ever............................Many of the classic bands still make a tidy living from gigs, bands such as Marillion & IQ do well via their internet sites, and some newer bands such as Radiohead, PT. DT, and Muse, to name but a few, do very well. There will always be a market for intelligent music.
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Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 16:51
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Bands such as Muse and Radiohead are extremely popular overseas and have a lot of prog elements with them and also note that there inspirations are prog legends like King Crimson ELP and so fourth now in america it seems that metal and pop are the only things still really popular that and the diabetes of music COUNTRY (more like herpes) so if there were to be a movement in america it would be by artist such as DT and Mastodon due to the fact they are metal
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Posted By: Tursake
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 17:23
Yeah, I would call PT popular, I don't know anyone from my school who hasn't heard of them. And I know alot of people who also listen to them  ------------- 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 17:33
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I can't remember the product (a car or credit card?), but a piece of Yes' Your Move is featured at the end of commercial. Actually, I find that rather disturbing, like the first time I heard The Who or Led Zeppelin in a commercial, but at least it shows some kind of awareness.
For myself, though, Prog never went away, even though it dwelt in many past favorites for me for many years. It is through the work of a good friend of mine and this site, that I have rediscovered its glories and new artists. It has been many years since I paid any attention to what people call popular - I don't really care. I listen to what I like and fortunately have found a lot to listen to that I like. I guess you can say I know what's in my wardrobe! ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 17:34
| There is actually a kid at my school who wears Opeth and Between the Buried and Me, and I've seen a girl wear a Frank Zappa shirt. Pink Floyd and Rush are also still incredibly popular among teenagers, although many of them don't know what the genre is called. Other than that, I don't think Prog is going to make comeback like it did when it first started. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:00
I just wish I enjoyed some of them. -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:11
Well, the advantage of sticking to the '70's is that it's a closed circuit, baby. I'm almost jealous of people who have taken that position, but then I think, you know, prog music is a banquet and you're choosing to starve yourself to a certain extent. I mean when you take in this site, there is so much variety, everything isn't for everyone, but then when is that ever the case in life anyway? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 18:45
About a week ago I casually mentioned the band Porcupine Tree to someone who happens to be a big prog fan like me and some other guy who was wearing an Iron Maiden t shirt overheard the coversation and commented that Porcupine Tree were one of his favorite bands. This guy was probably not a big prog fan (how many prog fans do you know who wear Iron Maiden t-shirts!?  )so I consider this a good sign. They(PT) have been pretty well known for the past several years or so and it definitely seems that a lot of metal fans have discovered prog. Blame Dream Theater for that or maybe even this website for including so much metal related stuff. :)
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 19:06
I consider myself as feasting on music that actually sounds good to me. Selfishly, I listen to music for my own enjoyment. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 19:52
| I don't think its coming back. though i want it to the only real popular bands are radio head, muse and pink floyd, and it seems only the stoner's listen to Pink Floyd. not that, that is bad or good. I love Prog and i would love for it to be popular again but it wont be. |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 20:53
| well you never know it dream theater porcupine tree and opeth are prety popular |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 22:00
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Well among younger people aged 14-25 or so the most popular prog bands are Muse, Radiohead, Mars Volta, Coheed and Cambria, Dream Theater, Decemberists and Porcupine Treee. These bands all come from either an indie or metal background or both. You could also add Pink Floyd and Rush to the mix. I'd say most people in that age range know all those bands yet have no f**king clue who ELP or Yes are. Even the so called prog fans among them. They would probably associate Genesis with the pop stuff that they did later on. There could be exceptions if these kids have parents who have a copy of selling england by the pound, Close to the Edge or Brain salad surgery in their collections. Oh and if there are any kiddies on here who don't know those albums I won't say you are on the wrong site but you need to get them as soon as possible since they are well establshed classic prog albums that every prog fan has to have or at least hear (no ifs ands or buts ;) ). As for prog coming back, let me ask this. When did it die? And if it did die what year did it die and what year did it "come back?" Some people say it died in 1978 but even if that is the case it would only apply to maybe the US or England as many places such as Japan, South America and Spain were just getting started around then.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 29 2010 at 22:03
| Who needs new artists when you can get the real thing on LPs or CD reissues of albums by artists from the golden age? |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 05:52
Well heres the only problem with what you said im 15 and i absolutely love ELP and Yes im not one of the new prog heads who started with radiohead and coheed and cambria i started with yes and thats what got me to look up bands lie king crimson or genisis. the first thing that comes to mind when i think of Genisis is peter gabrials awesome stage prefomance and return of the giant hogweed and yes my parents are one of the good ones who got me into all this haha thanks dad so id consider myself an exeption
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Posted By: squirting
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 06:01
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I believe that there will be no sudden prog comeback movement. All musical "movements" are getting less defined imo. I think it's popularity will fluctuate from now on, but there'll never be another 4 song double album topping the charts.
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Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 06:47
| probley not did any 4 song doudle album top the chart |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 10:33
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Prog is dead. Dead. All those fancy bands after 1990 are not prog. Prog is dead. Dead. Dead. Dead. |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 10:51
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how are they not prog and it is verry much alive sir
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 11:23
That's really weird, me too. My wife isn't a prog freak. Doesn't change the fact that I still listen to and enjoy prog from all the past decades. I think I may have to refuse to enjoy prog from this new decade though. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: squire4001
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 14:33
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 14:37
I believe he was referring to Yes' Tales from Topographic Oceans, a sprawling album of genius. -------------
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 17:23
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Ive noticed somewhat of a prog revival, not only in the metal sphere (where prog has been a major force since atleast the mid 90s) but also amongst the hipsters who love to know obscure things to namedrop. Many in this scene simply want to be different or ironic (a common hipster desire) but many also find that they enjoy prog both modern and classic. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 18:39
ah yes that great album |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 30 2010 at 20:51
Most of these, other than the big ones, were not famous then either. They are more readily accepted today, but the problem is that many folks here will say Genesis is progressive, and they won't listen to Ange ... because one got popular and the other was French, and on top of you or I can not understand the language!
The music always was there. And it has been an issue for many years, to the point where my roomate nailed another DJ at the station when he interrupted Golden Earring to say very cleverly in his gold forsaken dick that "it wasn't rock'n'roll" ... to which my roomate and friend immediately said ... "who cares, it's great music" ... and this is the attitude and point that you have to take when it comes to "progressive" ... basically I do not listen to bands who profess to be "progressive", because most of them are so boring and copied that it gives the name a stentch!
The concern I have is this ... you are listening to things "filtered" in your head, because they might be "progressive" or someone said that they were. And in doing so, one is actually losing the individuality in finding out what your own inner experience is about the music ... you actually have no idea if it is progressive or not, but you now accept the fact that it is (or isn't) ... and in the end, you have just limited your listening experience.
After spending 50 years listening to music and then some (including classical music), the first thing that you KNOW is right, is that you learn to suspend the "judgement" for what music is or is supposed to be.
You either learn to appreciate music ... or give up. Get your pacifier and go home! Ohh, excuse me, put on some muzak, since it will sound better to you than Brian Eno! Or Mike Rowland! ... and I, for one, do not want "progressive" to end up like that ... a damaged old soul that can't even enjoy music and now everyone says ... what a stupid foole he/she is!
What I was saying is that ... the same thing was happening then, 40 years ago, that is happening today ... we were fighting to get all this good stuff heard by anyone and everyone we could ... just like today ... and many people liked it and many people didn't. The proof that there was something valuable in all the music is the total affection that so many things are discussed with these days! But for you to say that you listen to "prog" today and not any other crap, is even more scary ... that's the same attitude we were fighting then! Exactly the same with different words.
Listen to the music ... not the labels! That's the only thing that is going to help you understand music! Progressive or not! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: July 01 2010 at 00:25
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: July 01 2010 at 00:26
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Glad to see some teenagers on here who got into prog via Yes, PG Genesis, ELP, Floyd etc. That makes me happy. However, I'm sure there are some younger fans who got into the genre because of Mars Volta, Porcupine Tree or Dream Theater. Raise your hand. I won't bite I promise! Lol. Not sure where Rush fits into the picture. Do you guys consider them an old prog band or a newer hipster band. Same thing with Pink Floyd. I thought they were old and they are yet many younger folks seem to dig them a lot too.
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Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 00:51
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yes its them who turned me on to the others you named but i still like the old guys beter> they are huge influences for me and my band
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 09:31
Same for me... I live in a small town, but still, I think I'm the only one who knows the genre. -------------
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Posted By: johnfripp
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 12:36
| Yea its a crying shame isnt it |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 14:34
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I think its a regional question and answer.....The last 2 years I have been to my homeland of Honduras, went to Costa Rica for a quick visit and just 2 months ago was in Uruguay and Argentina. They listen to local artists and then after that it is heavy to prog artists..alot of metal and heavy prog.
Most everyone I talked to listen to Iron Maiden, PT, DT, Rush, Pink Floyd, Genesis and some others here on the PA.
They don't dissect the music like we do here....progrock, progmetal, heavyprog, symphonic...so on...its simply "rock music".
Maybe the word "prog" has died?? Don't know its a question.......I don't think the music represented on this site has died though...its alive and well.
The "classic" artists maybe gone like ELP, Yes, PF, Genesis, KC, Tull........then there is Rush and Iron Maiden still putting out great stuff after 30+ yrs. Groups like PT need to take over the reins maybe?? I mean who will be left once Rush decide to hang it up??
We need some additonal flag carriers within 5yrs......(I may be getting off topic..sorry) but I don't think prog is dead...nor did it leave. -------------   
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Posted By: Roterstern
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 18:39
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The word "progressive" already presumes some perpetual movement. So, prog will hardly cease existing, 'cause there will always be something to call "prog" ------------- "Die Freude am schauen und begreifen ist die Schönste Gabe der Natur", A.E. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 18:46
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"I want you to know He's not coming back Look into my eyes I'm not coming back" ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 19:33
You didn't know?
It took a vacation! And some of us missed it!------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 19:37
And that is a good thing sometimes.
The main concern is that too many young listeners are too much into "labels" in music, and that is not good, and will cause you to miss out on a lot of good music through your time and otherwise. That's not to say that you can not enjoy rap ... but you really should check out that rap with rap with rap (harmonizing too!) and strings in the background, and the thunking bass sound is not the only thing in it! ... hint ... it's not in Detroit either! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: July 03 2010 at 07:45
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I don't know if it's making a comeback or not, but clearly with the internet we have much greater access to music from around the world, hence more people can get into prog of various styles. But that doesn't mean it is more popular as a whole. Main stream radio, recording companies, clubs, for the most part still have little or no interest in "prog" bands unless it's the "classic" acts-Rush, Tull, Yes, etc. Are there more people listening to "prog" all over the world-probably-but I think it's due more to sites such as this and other internet outlets making the music more accessible to us. Does not necessarily mean it's making a comeback, or truly went away.
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Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: July 04 2010 at 22:14
| I think prog is more accessible now than it was for a while, largely because of changes in the ways in which music is distributed. That makes it easier for musicians in not-so-commercial genres to get their music out there, but is does not guarantee a large audience. I rather suspect that as the distribution model continues to change, we will see more room for less commercial genres, and probably less and less monolithic corporate rock. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but there it is. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:32
He's right in a sense, but totally wrong in the other.
He's right in that I am tired of Genesis and ELP and this and that ... and the thought that everyone has to sound like them or Magma so they can be Reuhl or rio or amazon! So yeah, I want it to die as fast as possible so a new kid in the block has a chance to make music and not have to feel like he/she is a copy of anything else!
He's wrong, in that music continues and always has, and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. Music is not there to kiss you ... music is there because it is music and there is a lot more to it than how you or I will ever know or feel about it!
Some folks are just stuck on "terminologies" and "definitions", so yeah ... prog is better off dead!
The history of this stuff makes sense within a musical history and eye ... it does not as a "trend" or something that supposedly was only available during that time, because it was also available in many other places in different forms and concepts!
Everyone dies ... so why not a "concept" ... we don't need concepts, or ideas ... just music! Let the rest lie and die!
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Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: July 12 2010 at 10:15
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We really do have 3 big things to thank for the spread of progressive music. 1 Dream Theater and the way the always promote everybody else. They kind of kicked it all off. 2 The internet 3 There is no silly battle between artists like in the old days (I can play faster than Jimmy Page for example). It really is a community. How else did Porcupine tree sell out the Albert hall months in advance? Amazing! Who needs the radio? Ha ha! Take a look at this. Unknown and rose to 91 in this chart in 6 days from 7500. Dinner! Cheers http://www.reverbnation.com/bunchakeze - http://www.reverbnation.com/bunchakeze ------------- http://www.corvusstone.com |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 11:23
I got into a conversation with a young barista in Costa Coffee last weekend about Porcupine Tree. I would say she was about 19, with a slightly 'goth' appearence (apart from her Costa unform of course!) I was wearing my Incident Tee-shirt, and she she remarked 'Excellent band!' After which I frantically started referencing any prog band I thought she may have heard of. She had at least heard of most of those mentioned, and said she was currently trying get her head round King Crimson. I think prog is probably more popular these days than it was at the height of the 'Brit pop' era, and that's mainly thanks to any band who try new things, and flex their imagination every now and then. Whatever anyone thinks of Radiohead, Dream Theater, even the likes of Elbow, I believe we have them to thank for it. I'd wager most younger prog fans on these forums, under the age of say 30, started out with prog metal or alt rock of some kind. Music in the manstream was getting dull. It needed to happen. Porcupine Tree, as an example, have had articles - positive articles! - written about them on the BBC website, and I believe were nominated for a grammy at one point. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 12:14
 That's the point! Nobody in the real world has heard of Porcupine tree but they can sell out the Albert hall! They actually have cracked it into the bigtime. Bloody amazing band! Without the internet, we'd only know what is in the media(TV & radio), or what our mates know about. I travelled to Sweden 6 years ago, to see pain of salvation(because I saw it on the net) and people regularly fly here(I live here now) to see them, from all over Europe and even the states. Prog rock never died and most people don't even realise it. Who are the biggest names, even now, in modern music? The same ones we always had.. Beatles, Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Queen etc etc. All the other stuff comes and goes but those names and their music remain the biggest sellers. Even though they are 70 years old now. You bump into people at concerts.. father and son. Dad takes son to see Camel, then son takes dad to see Spocks Beard. Brilliant! Prog isn't a fashion. It's music that needs listening to then it gets buried deep inside people. Pop can be good but usually, 1 or 2 songs per artist. With progressive music (orchestral OR rock), each artist produces hours of entertainment and escape. It's all the stuff you miss on the first listen that's important I guess. Bands are more adventurous now because they don't need to go round record companies trying to sell their band any more. That was SUCH a hopeless and depressing task in the 80s. They can test their music in cyberspace. In the 60s the Beatles made it possible to be on the radio with weird songs like "I am a walrus", which was considered rubbish at first. Ha ha!!! An all time classic now. People listened because it was the Beatles. Then the record companies let musitians do wahtever they wanted for a few years, because they knew about music. By the mid 70s, the suits took back full control and prog was killed stone dead. At least Floyd didn't give up and gave us "the wall" before they were done for too. Musicians have always had adventure in them. It's just getting out there again. No idea if you've listened to what is on my link but it was recorded in the bad old 80s and it got the thumbs up from a 17 year old girl who said was a little like Muse but with it's own style. Ha ha ha.. It's all in the timing Mr Blacksword. Have a good one Colin http://www.reverbnation.com/bunchakeze - http://www.reverbnation.com/bunchakeze ------------- http://www.corvusstone.com |
Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 13:01
Only if you define prog as "what they did back then." It's true, there's a lot of really mediocre, cheeseball prog out there that's just trying to be Genesis. But I don't know how you can say prog is dead when there are musicians like Toby Driver or John Zorn out there making incredibly legitimate progressive music. No, we may not have the symphonic glory of the 70s, but isn't that what prog is all about? ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 13:59
I'm surprised Walter has only commented once, this seems like the kind of thing he would eat up... Apparently he's saving it for other threads which don't have the same topic as this one but still get the same replies from him  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:12
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Yep! Prog WAS dead for many years. But it wasn't dead in musicians, only in the public domain. Prog is VERY much alive and back out there being listened to! Every form of inventive writing and playing is there now. From Riverside, Ayreon & Porkypines to Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation & The Flower Kings. we got it all. Heavy to symphonic to quirky to outright virtuosos. They are not replacing, surpassing or even to be compared with Genesis, yes, Focus, Beatles etc. They are an addition. Were Yes better than or more prog than Pink Floyd? Damn silly question eh? I want both. I want all the new ones too. In fact, I want to be Roine Stolt! Happy times http://www.reverbnation.com/bunchakeze - http://www.reverbnation.com/bunchakeze ------------- http://www.corvusstone.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 18 2010 at 12:27
This is not strictly true, those bands are both popular and got a lot of critical acclaim, relatively speaking. They were all very influential too. But Michael Jackson's Thriller is by a huge margin the best selling album of all time. I think some Jamiroquai album was the biggest selling funk album, yeah? Back in Black has outsold any Beatles album, unless I am very much mistaken and that is from 1981. 70 years ago? Hardly.
I am sorry that I have to lodge my protest every time this is said, but it's fairly often in prog circles, from what I have seen. 1 or 2 songs? How about bagfuls of albums for artists like Stevie Wonder or Tori Amos? Their music is more intricate and compositionally more interesting than many boring by-the-numbers prog metal or neo prog bands. Sure, they are not usual pop, but then usually, modern prog is also not as intricate, subtle and, quite simply, brilliant as OK Computer and is generally by the numbers and generic. Whose (Radiohead) progginess, ironically, is frequently questioned by progheads. |