Casualties of Applied Metaphysics (Avant/Eclectic)
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Topic: Casualties of Applied Metaphysics (Avant/Eclectic)
Posted By: A Person
Subject: Casualties of Applied Metaphysics (Avant/Eclectic)
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 16:33
| I was surprised to see that they weren't here already. I always thought they were spot on for Avant, but eclectic seems reasonable as well. If you aren't aware, there music is available http://casualtiesofappliedmetaphysics.webs.com/ - here for free. |
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:03
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But they are here, or at least on forums: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54329&PID=3088690#3088690 They have been already proposed, but to no avail. Or at least not much avail. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:18
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When the project rises above hobby status and has legitimate appeal it may be considered. Suggestion: Offer an album to a legitimate independant reviewer (ie not Progarchives)or record label or even better get another legitimate Prog site interested in it. The fact that Progarchives members/collabs are involved in this puts us in a difficult position. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:25
That is completely understandable. |
Tony R wrote:Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:26
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I do not think that could alterate (not sure if that's a word) our judgement or opinion on his band for inclusion.
I'm listening to the album now for the first time. I'll give an opinion after the listen ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:26
I have already offered to review Alex's album for Progressor, and got the green light from the site's owner. Unfortunately, I am very much backlogged (have some 100 CDs at home), so I cannot promise to do anything at a very short notice - but review it I will, I promise .
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:30
In any case, I look forward to reading it.  |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:31
| Me too... |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:34
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Tony, does your post mean it should not be evaluated?
I just want to know if I should or not.
Thanks. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:42
Of course it should be evaluated. I am just saying that we should be careful. The archives is a serious and respected database of legitimate bands and needs to be discerning in what it includes. A viable product is difficult to define but record labels seem to do it very effectively. We should not be bushwhacked into including every bedroom hobbyist for fear of offending a current member, ex-band members and other proposers who might have a vested interest. That is what Myspace is for, not Progarchives. It should be a privilege to be included with the likes of Pink Floyd, Genesis, Dream Theater, Yes et al and whilst we cannot expect all bands to match up to those lofty standards we can at least expect that we do not tarnish those bands or our reputation with injudicious entries. |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:46
Okay, I get your point; and agree with it.
As I said, I don't think that knowing one of the members would alter my judgement and/or my evaluation of said band.
I will be careful in my evaluation as you suggested though. But I always am, I think. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 18:32
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If my opinion is worth anything . . . The first two releases these guys did were clearly more-or-less tinkering around with ideas, and whether or not they legitimately fit into this site was much more of an uncertainty. However, with this latest release, it's clear to me that the musical composition and structure of the songs are much stronger and have a lot more merit. In other words, it can actually be called 'music' without any real doubt. Whether or not that means they should be included here, I honestly have no idea. I'll leave that to the experts in the genre teams, but what I AM saying is that their music actually sounds like music now, and no longer feels like a kid simply mucked about in his room for a few hours. That's a step forward, in any case.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 18:40
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Noted.
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 18:59
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It may take longer for me to give a final answer, finally. I'll follow the thread and let know when I'm ready. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:11
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The cat's already out of the bag on this one. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:13
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^ What does that mean (sorry, I've never heard this expression)? ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:15
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PA has already included amateur content from members. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:20
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There's a discussion about this topic, that's important thing. I have to say that I heard few tracks from their first CD and even I don't want to offend Alex, some of these tracks were unbearable. However, some of you maybe know my relationship with RIO/Avant (Love/Hate), so it just maybe want some time. I'll certainly try their latest album, I hope it will be better beginning. Let's be fair then. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:50
CoAM have been rejected by Eclectic and Avant in the past - if they are to be re-evaluated by either team it means they qualify as a " http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51908&PID=2973748#2973748 - Controversial Band " and require the unanimous vote of every team member.
------------- What? |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:53
Means that if ONE member rejects them, they're rejected? ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:55
------------- What? |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:56
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Alright, I just wasn't sure if that was what it meant.
We'll stick to the rules. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 20:27
Correct me if I am wrong, Dean, but nobody ever doubted that they were progressive when they were proposed the first time; it's just that nobody could quite agree on which genre they belonged in. I don't really see how this rule applies, in that case. My memory could be fuzzy, though.
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 20:37
I think he's right.
I even think NOBODY said they weren't progressive. But that's some time ago, not sure if I remember well. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 14 2010 at 20:54
------------- What? |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: March 15 2010 at 02:01
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Also Psych/Space Team have already evaluated Casualties Of Applied Metaphysics around last April (yet I've not joined there) and rejected because of their less Psych/Space essence. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 15 2010 at 02:18
| ^ Yeah, they're definitely not Space-Rock. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 15 2010 at 09:22
Not because it was from members and no because it was amateur. Officially released/singed/purchasable units were evaluated, and evaluated music itself is prog rock. We included loads of amateurish releases worldwide that had nothing to do with our members. We're not friend's music database, not even a good music database, we are listing released prog. Simple as that. I know that you know that, I just had to get it off my chest...and just in case anyone's in doubt. ------------- |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: March 15 2010 at 15:57
Oh, sorry then
 I guess it won't be accepted this time again... ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 15 2010 at 16:06
What a shock.
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: March 15 2010 at 17:25
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 10:55
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So... Is any team currently evaluating or re-evaluating this submission? |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 10:58
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In any case, the newest album is a big step forward in quality from what I'd heard before. Keep making music guys!!! ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 04:55
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Just to stir the pot a little... Say a band had two borderline prog/pop albums that got suggested to and rejected by a genre team. Then, a year later, released an undisputable 100% prog album. Have they lost their chance to be in the database because they were already rejected once? My point is think it should be fair to allow a reevaluation if a band releases new material, especially if there is a significant improvement in quality or progressive tendencies. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 05:11
Very good point. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: March 20 2010 at 06:33
as stated before such bands/artists have a controversial status - however - they don't have lost their chance ... in such a case a team can re-evaluate and must have an unanimous decision ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 08:17
From their Progfreak chart: http://progfreak.com/Casualties-of-Applied-Metaphysics,_dbe,artists,_auto_2283326.xhtml?path=pa/recent - http://progfreak.com/Casualties-of-Applied-Metaphysics,_dbe,artists,_auto_2283326.xhtml?path=pa/recent it seems like no team has taken up on them for a (re)evaluation, so I'm heading this for the ZART. |