Protest at Yesshows!
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Topic: Protest at Yesshows!
Posted By: Raff
Subject: Protest at Yesshows!
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:30
In a thread on another prog forum I read one of the funniest things I've happened to come across in a long time. It seems that, at the Yes gig of yesterday evening at the Calvin Theater in Northampton (MA), there were people outside the venue handing out leaflets in which Jon and Rick allegedly dissed the current incarnation of the band. Can you believe that - prog fundamentalists ? Obviously, no one believes that the two musicians are in any way behind this 'original' initiative. It seems, anyway, that some people have nothing better to do with the time on their hands.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:35
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not very progressive of them |
Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:37
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do you by chance have the link to the other forum where this has been discussed?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:39
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oh man.... I hope they turn up at the Warner Theater... I love people who try to protest.. or sell me stuff... me ... in my ass kicking days... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qse_wf57tZM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qse_wf57tZM ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:44
It's on the home page of ProgressiveEars ( http://www.progressiveears.com - www.progressiveears.com ). It should still be among the newest items.. Unfortunately, it's not easy to conjure up the link for the thread in question, but you should have no trouble in finding it - the title is the same. |
NJCat_11 wrote:Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:51
What is the newest incarnation of the band? (pardon my ignorance and my laziness)...  ------------- 
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Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:57
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Found this on another forum site: ...a two-sided postcard-sized paper, on the front of which is a pic of Jon and Rick, stating: Jon Anderson has branded Yes as 'disrespectful' for continuing to tour with tribute singer Benoit David in his place. Anderson claims his request to rejoin the band for a latest bunch of dates in the UK this month was rebuffed. "As much as I wish the band well, they should not (be touring) as Yes," he insists. On the back, shots of Jon & Rick: "Keyboardist Rick Wakeman has no time for the current version of Yes, even though his son Oliver is in the line-up. Yes also replaced Jon Anderson with tribute singer Benoit David. "It's inappropriate and not respectful to the fans," said Wakeman. "It's all over with the calssic line-up-I just get on with my life and my music." ------------- "We are Defenders of the Faith" - Rob Halford |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:57
| Jon Anderson has been seriously sick, and has been replaced by a French Canadian guy called Benoit David (who used to be in a Yes tribute band). Rick Wakeman, on the other hand, has retired from touring, and has been replaced by one of his sons, Oliver. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 19:00
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bah.... it's all about the music. They sounded GREAT.. at least for the two songs we heard from that lineup last year before the Anti-Christ intervened and unleashed one of the protends of the apocalypse on us
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 19:11
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Hi,
In a way I think that they are right ... and I really think that the attempt to capitalize on the "YES" brand ... is not right ...
But I find it hippocritical all the same for Jon and Rick to be saying what they are saying when they know the history of rock music has been known to rape musicians ... maybe they shuold go read the story of the fake Fleetwood Mac that was touring around because the record company owned the name, not Mick or John.
I would have seen Squire and whoever else on his own ... and I declined to go see it because they were calling it YES ... if they had said ... an evening including some Yes music ... I could appreciate that ... but calling themselves YES ... I find offensive.
And no ... I'm not one of those throw the stone and books at you kind of person ... and while I can see that a couple of folks want to make sure people still know/appreciate YES ... in the end ... John and Rick are going to come off like cry-babies ... you wanna tell me that you would not want all those great sopranos sing Turandot for you in the next 150 years ... your flipping insane ... sso Jon and Rick ... I love you both ... but grow up and say thank you ... since, btw ... you're still gettting paid off this!
And if you die unhappy because of it ... you are not thankful for the legacy and the people that have helped you build it! ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 19:18
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people take this sh*t too seriously.... it's music... nothing more .. nothing less. For all intents and purposes 3/4ths of Yes is still playing to it's fans... most people simply don't care if Jon is there or not. David is not... well.. ME up on stage. He sings Jon's parts damn well... seriously.. would people just want the group to just hang it up because the egos which have been as much a part of the group as the music itself haven't gone away. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 19:27
What else would they call it? If you have 3 out of 5 original or regular members of the band playing the music that made them famous, there is no other name for such a legacy. YES ------------- "We are Defenders of the Faith" - Rob Halford |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 19:28
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Hmmm....they should have recruited Steve Carney from the UK tribute band "Fragile"! Fragile sound remarkably like Yes, and have played onstage with Pete Banks and other Yes-men. I always thought Fragile had the "stamp of approval." Lots of this "Let's replace the singer!" stuff going on in the world of rock lately....Journey, Boston, Aerosmith and now Yes! I tend to agree with others that it isn't truly Yes without Jon Anderson. PLEASE, don't try to do another "Union" routine!! Ugh!!
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:06
Maybe "Benoit Howe Squire Wakeman White" (BHSWW)  ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:08
| I've only seen one protest at a concert and that was when Weather Report played in Atlanta after playing Sun City. As far as Yes is concerned the band member changes have been uhm, perpetual. As long as the music is good they can keep on doing it and have the band live on forever. I've moved on a while ago though. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:27
that tour was spectacular; imagine Yes in-the-round with two drummers and two guitarists.. it's considered one of their finest tours ever, I believe |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:42
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Someone or something must own the rights to the 'Yes' name so wouldn't said owner(s) be within their rights to sue third parties for a breach ?
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:02
I haven't heard Benoit David's singing yet, so can't judge him (is he any good?), but I have to agree, it isn't really the same without Jon. There is a lot of 'if the singer doesn't want to do it, let's find a replacement' recently. Thank God the Plant-less Zeppelin never took flight. Now I didn't really think the 'Drama' lineup was 'Yes', either. Did fans riot back then about the Buggles meets Yes lineup? (I was born in 82. Too young to remember!) ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:14
I think the "Relayer" tour was far superior! It WAS fun to watch Steve Howe make very sour faces when playing Trevor Rabin's songs, and Bruford looked amazingly bored. Overall, the Union live show I attended did work, it was fun to see Tony Kaye onstage! However, the LP for "Union" leaves much to be desired IMHO. That is more what I was hinting at with the "Union routine" wisecrack!
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:37
The only thing I could find is that supposedly at the time of ABWH the legal owners of the name "Yes" were the 90125 incarnation of the band. But that was a long time ago. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:55
Union was the last time I saw Yes live. It was at the Lakewood Ampitheater which basically meant no chairs and your spot was way away from the band. As I recall the ground was a bit damp. Still, I enjoyed the music at the time so no hard feelings. It felt like a bit of a step up from their more commercial efforts previously. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 22:10
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When I saw Yes last year, they were in fact touring under the label "Chris Squire, Steve Howe, Alan White of Yes" or something like that. Ofcourse everyone just said it was a Yes concert, but that's not the bands fault. This year it seems they do are touring under the Yes name, and as far as I remember Wakeman's complaints were that they weren't making it clear on their advertisements that they weren't touring with Jon and Rick, and thus were letting down people. As far as I understand, Jon's complaint is that he isn't in the band. However, if they both aren't in shape for complete tours, well I guess they should let the others keep on working; in the end, the Drama and the 90125 lineups were called Yes, so why not this one. In fact, if this lineup shouldn't use the name Yes, so by the time of Talea from Topographic Oceans they should have dumped the name (only 2 original members left by then).
Still, I guess if Jon wanted to re-enter the group within this tour, that should have been great, but I guess they didn't want to let Benoit down... perhaps some special appearences with both singers would have been cool and might have served both sides... even though I don't know if having two singers so similar would have worked right. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 22:13
yeah one of the top three shows I've seen (of many) |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 22:15
that's right I remember, it seemed like a step back to their roots (and a very nice cover) |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 00:30
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Interesting thread with great comments! Like an orchestra, Yes has continued its evolution, so perhaps the flavor of the day vocalist shouldn't matter that much? I missed the Trevor Horn tour, and only recently pulled "Drama" out for a spin & was pleasantly surprised how much I enjoyed it! Any Yes is better than no Yes at all, right? I'd enjoy hearing this Benoit chap actually...my own favorite faux-Jon would have been Steve Carney, check out his video of "Soon" with the band Fragile, with Steve Howe playing pedal steel guitar. Very nice!! If Jon isn't in shape for the duties, that's okay, he should have handed it off to his choice of understudy with his blessings. This damn Yes-soap-opera stuff gets a bit tiresome sometimes! I mean, Rick Wakeman protesting, although son Ollie is with the band??? Funny how Squire is the only one who is never replaced in these evolutions! A tough guy to supplant, although Levin did a hell of a job in ABWH! *sigh* You know you are a Yes addict when....
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 00:39
| ^ I always took Chris for the core of the band, the real leader |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 00:52
Yeah, he's been called "Keeper of the Flame" by some in the Yes universe! I think he may actually hold the title to the trademark of the band's name, which is where the Yes/Cinema (90125) and ABWH schism came to be. This is a great interview with Peter Banks about the origin of Yes, and tons of other historic prog oddities (Robert Fripp in a hooded cape!!) http://www.themarqueeclub.net/interview-peter-banks-yes Must've been a scream to have been a part of that scene!!
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Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 02:34
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People can look at the line-up and decide for themselves whether they are willing to pay to see this incarnation of Yes. I've seen the band four times and the weakest performance was actually with the "classic" line-up of Anderson, Wakeman, Howe, Squire and White. The best was with Igor Khoroshev on keyboards where they played an absolute blinder (I still get shudders thinking about the amazing version of Awaken they did).
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 04:30
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I totally agree. I am going to stage a protest outside Glasgow Concert Hall to demand that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is being allowed to play together with the ..........whatever orchestra is doing his .........whatever piano concerto. Jon is sick and Rick could not be bothered. I still think it is unfair towards the new generation of human beings to deny them the access to the Yes songs, played live by musicians from this band. Not all prog loving human beings are more than fifty years old and have seen the original Yes live. As long as this incarnation of Yes is not breaking the Goods & Trade Description Act and the ticket buyers goes to the gigs with an open mind, I think this is good tour. I have more moral issues with the various third rate symphonic orchestras playing Mozart than with this Yes tour. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 07:37
| When I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was........ Protest? Why protest, Yesshows is a fantastic album. |
Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 07:41
That's a terrific interview, thanks a lot for the link. Oh how I wish I'd been around to go to the Marquee then. I'd even have put up with the sweaty atmosphere and no beer! ------------- "And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!" "He's up the pub" |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:33
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The quote on the pamphlet in an earlier thread from Anderson was on his website when the new lineup was originally announced - it was subsequently pulled by Jon himself after discussions with the band. The quote from Wakeman is more recent and featured in an interview in Classic Rock presents Prog. As I have said before, I cannot face the band without Anderson. As Wakeman said after Tormato breakup, he represents much more than one fifth of the band. I have not seen the current tour in the UK, and have only watched clips on YouTube, none of which have changed my opinion. That said, I would never be so desperate to protest in this way. It was clearly an "unofficial" protest, but doesn't really surprise me. As a lifelong trade union activist, I ceased to be amazed by some of the petty and moronic things people protest about a long time ago ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 13:31
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hmmmm....I checked Jon's website, and he shows a bunch of upcoming gigs in Canada!! http://www.jonanderson.com/news.html WTF?? I understand he was ill for a while, but if he's in form for these concerts, what happened with Yes?? Maybe another blow-up with Squire? *sigh* Yes, prog's most dysfunctional family!! Cactus Choir, thanks for the mini-review of the Igor Khoroshev - Yes gig! I missed those shows, sadly! Man, that Igor dude got some bad press!! "Until now, though, no one has ever heard of an sexual assault from a member of a progressive rock band. But the Washington Post
reports that Prince William County (Virginia) police have charged Igor
Khoroshev, the 35-year-old keyboardist for Yes, with assaulting two
female security guards during the band's Sunday performance at the
Nissan Pavilion, near Washington, D.C.." So, where is he now?? |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 15:16
Exactly.... I am 17 years old and a HUGE Yes fan!...I've never seen Yes live (or any other band playing Yes songs) before  so I'll love to see someone playing this stuff live and if there are Yes members on the band MUCH MUCH BETTER!!! I'll probably miss Anderson's vocals (since I know every single note and sound on the original albums which I've listened at least 10000 times) and Wakeman's keys (I also love Oliver's music and style so seeing him with Yes would be great to.... I wouldn't complain...) ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com)
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 15:45
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As far as I know, Chris Squire has had control of Yes brand for a long time...hence ABWH. I saw the current lineup and the show was phenomenal. My friend who went with me, a Yes fanatic, has seen them many times, and said "Sure it would be nice if Anderson was with them, but that was a great show!"
At the time of the last tour Anderson could not sing at all. In fact, he almost died. For this tour, he still is only able to do limited dates. He is supposedly now healthy enough for limited shows, but made it clear he can't do full tours. After successfully touring with the Cover guy (who did his job as well as anyone could have) the remaining members chose a lineup that could do a full tour. From all accounts, if Anderson had been healthy enough before the previous tour, they would have kept him.
Here's a pretty good link. There are lots of perspectives available if you navigate through the site.
http://www.bondegezou.co.uk/wnja.htm - http://www.bondegezou.co.uk/wnja.htm
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Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 16:24
Blimey! I didn't know about the alleged sexual assault. Perhaps that's why they kicked him out the band? I remember Jon Anderson announced him on stage as "Russian and a bit crazy". I was really disappointed when I heard he'd left as I thought he'd given the old boys a much-needed kick up the rear and really energised their performance. His playing was superb as well. He really nailed the quiet church organ/percussion passage in the middle of Awaken and the climax was truly awesome, possibly the most magical moment I've ever had at a concert. ------------- "And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!" "He's up the pub" |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 19:42
Here's a bit more detail... http://www.livedaily.com/news/Yes_Keyboardist_Arrested_Following_Washington_DC_S%20how-1532.html Ha ha ha!! Considering how Led Zepplin treated their groupies, these girls got off easy!! Yeah, I love "Awaken" also! Saw them do that with the GFTO tour, Union show & probably a few other times. A true masterwork!!
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:12
To me this is the real YES. look at the center picture. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 10:49
^ oh wow..... that is great. One of your best yet 
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 13:58
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I would have thought Rick would be proud as punch, that his son is up there with such agreat band. Like passing on the family business..
For that reason, the claims on the protestors flyers are likely to be bullsh*t. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 14:26
Wakeman has been quoted more than once as saying that he is proud as punch of his son, but regards the present lineup as the most expensive tribute band in the world. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 14:43
Oh well. I bet he didn't think much of Drama era Yes either..
I've only seen clips of the current line up, and they sound pretty good to me. I think all of the bands manifestations have had something good to offer. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:21
Hmmm...he MAY have a point, unless this incarnation recorded some original material before the tour! Are they touring in support of a new release? I'm not aware of it if they are. At least all of the previous incarnations of Yes recorded something unique, I have to wonder if this is in the plans? I'm doubtful, unless Jon has split the scene entirely. Pity, the band got along so well onstage during the 35th Anniversary tour!
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:26
The last time I saw Yes (Rome, summer of 2003), they were not touring in support of a new album - Magnification had been released two years before that. They played two tracks from that album, and then most of the staples of their live performances. True, both Jon and Rick were part of the band at the time, but the situation was not that different. And then, there are many other bands that are touring regularly without any new material. Blue Oyster Cult are out of a record deal, but still play regularly on the US live circuit, and occasionally elsewhere. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:51
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There is certainly an element of sour grapes from Jon and Rick. Not that it's unjustified, but they are looking alot like grumpy old men. I'm sure some of it has to do with money, but other people's business affairs do not belong to me.
But for folks who have never seen Yes especially, this is a great opportunity. There is no arguing that the show is great. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 11:17
You mean, there are FOLKS WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN YES??! Ha, good point! A trib concert can be fun, I enjoyed The Musical Box and their performance of "The Lamb" a great deal! TribYes including Squire, Howe and White would not be very shabby at all! I wish them well on this tour!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 11:35
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Just say no to Yes?
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 12:08
haw haw haw!! Do you mean "Yes," or "TribYes"? Here's a great link, I've enjoyed reading about all of my past Yes concerts, setlists etc. Some great photos in there! http://forgottenyesterdays.com/ According to this site, the new TribYes setlist is quite eclectic! To whit: Firebird Suite Siberian Khatru I've Seen All Good People Tempus Fugit Onward Astral Traveller Yours Is No Disgrace And You And I Steve Howe solo Owner Of A Lonely Heart South Side Of The Sky Machine Messiah Heart Of The Sunrise Roundabout Starship Trooper Hey, if Benoit and Ollie are good enough for Howe, Squire and White, I can handle this! Yes we can! (oh wait, that slogan was spoken for....)
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 21:05
As far as I know, the current Yes line-up is indeed planning to make an album, and without Jon I think. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: February 13 2010 at 04:26
He actually was determined brain dead for a few seconds! ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 13 2010 at 06:06
Instead of "TribYes" how about "Yes, The Next Generation"? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: 88melter
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:09
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Chris Squire owns the YES name, he being the only founding member who has never left the band, or the bathtub (small LOL). I believe the publishing rights are also under his control.
So, any band he is in can legally be called YES. Various postings are spot on: Jon and Rick are getting paid via performance royalties, 3 out of 5 members is an average quotient, nothing unusual there, and it is about money and ego for Jon and Rick.
But, I am OK with that. Without their wanting to be stars and wanting the cash, there would not still be anything YES, with or without them. This is part of all showbiz, not just prog, and not just YES. I would be upset if my life work were usurped, and I had to stand on the sidelines and watch, powerless and not participating. But, I would also be proud that it has the strength and quality to be carried on without me.
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Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 11:45
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Maybe Rick is actually really upset that Yes are performing four songs in their set that he will NOT get royalties for ? Ha ha. Needless to say, I'm glad they are continuing, and would really like to hear what this line-up could do in the studio. Yes, I prefer Jon's voice, but he's just not ready to commit and it would not be fair to the other fellows to put them in a holding pattern for years.
I've see the band parform live many times from 1975 through 2004, and in my opinion the best and most interesting performances were those with keyboard players OTHER than Rick Wakeman..Relayer tour, Drama Tour, Talk Tour, The Ladder tour, and Magnification tour. ------------- Progfan1958 "Peace to you all" "La paix est avec vous" "Pax vobiscum" "Al salaam a'alaykum" "Vrede zij met u allen" "Shalom aleichem" |
Posted By: Tigereye
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 21:22
Well, he's not one of the Grumpy Old Men for nothing! ------------- I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else. ~Lily Tomlin |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:58
Couldn't disagree with you more. Jon and Rick have no reason to cry 'sour grapes', since they still get a cut of the profits from the golden days (as far as I know), and have had very successful solo careers outside of Yes. It's mind-boggling to me how many people jump at Yes' defense no matter what. They could commit murder and people on this board would be saying it was somehow the victim's fault.
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Posted By: 88melter
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 23:14
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It IS true that major players in the arts generally get a big pass on stuff that the general public, or even politicos, cannot get away with. I think this is mostly because showbiz ultimately does not matter all that much.
Elvis didn't sign any treaties, Frank Sinatra drank onstage, and John Lennon was a public drunk before he was a martyr.
As far as YES and this board are concerned, we all know that talent + ego = longevity in the music bizness, and YES has enough of both for several lifetimes, in fact, I think Jon has already written songs about three of the aforementioned lives.
(lol?)
88melter ------------- 88melter |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 13:21
You could always call them Benoit, Squire, White, Wakeman, Howe.
Alternatively, you could refer to them by an unpronounceable squiggle and then call them the artists formerly known as Yes ------------- 
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 13:28
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 13:48
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I love Genesis more than Yes, and yet the band that has toured for the last 25+ years with two studio helpers under the original name is not nearly as much fun as what Yes is doing now. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 13:49
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^ Funny, I love Yes more than Genesis, and I think both modern incarnations are sh*t.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 14:20
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Did you get a chance to see the new group live? ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 14:23
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Well . . . no, but . . . I . . . I mean . . . ugh . . . *grumble* . . . *grumble* . . . I have seen plenty of recorded footage of them, however, and have not been impressed. I know it's not exactly the same thing, but home video isn't the same horrible quality it once was.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 14:32
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Again, for me, my first Yes show, it was really good. My friend that went with me has been seing Yes for a very long time (5 or more shows before this one, including the classic lineup) and said that while it wasn't the best he'd ever seen, it was a very strong show. We were in a good venue, great crowd, that always makes a difference. But that's part of why I'm defending them somewhat.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 14:43
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I'm sure when you are watching them live on stage, surrounded by hundreds of fellow Yes fans, everybody full of enthusiasm, etc. it's wonderful. But I just can't bring myself to support them at this point. I know I'm the a****le, and I'm the one who will be affected by this decision. But I don't care. Every time Yes has had a member departure, it's been sudden, without warning, and without any direct explanation from the band to the fans. And yes, it DOES affect the end result, which is the music itself. Jon Anderson always referred to it as the 'illusive harmony'. When it isn't there, the music suffers. I'm glad that Yes are still going strong, and that there are plenty of people still willing to support them, but I cannot. Now, on the other hand, I would LOVE to go see Jon Anderson live sometime. Why? Because he's calling himself 'Jon Anderson,' and not 'Yes'. He's playing his own music and not trying to be something he isn't. I respect that a lot more. If Jon had 'passed the torch' to Benoit, and publicly announced that these were his wishes, you would be hearing a completely different song from me. But as it stands right now, this is just classic, narcissistic Yes behavior, and I don't think it's right. Again, this is just me being a killjoy about it all, I guess, but it's what I feel.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 00:41
Actually, yours are very caring and sensitive comments, thank you! I've lived through all the permutations myself....the ABWH concert I saw was brilliantly executed, and Levin did an outstanding, spirited job filling in for Squire, but it just wasn't Yes. I took a pass on the "Drama" tour, although I've come to enjoy the disc quite a bit. Don't even talk to me about "Big Generator!" *sigh* why don't these artists do what we tell them? My own favorite Yes tribute band is "Fragile" out of the UK, we've been chums for about 10 years. Here's a really nice video clip of the band playing "Soon," with Steve Howe guesting on pedal steel guitar: (would someone please remind me how to insert the damn YouTube play window into the post?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHEpLo_nGw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHEpLo_nGw I think Steve Carney has a lovely, very authentic Andersonesque contra-tenor, and I felt this band long had the official blessings of Yes. Maybe Steve wasn't available? I don't know, but their catalog is stunning!! Visit http://www.yestribute.com/ - http://www.yestribute.com/ for more information on these remarkable lads!! I was hoping that they might be the official understudies, and I'd appreciate the thoughts of everyone! Cheers! |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 00:53
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Maybe these "fundementalists" are led by the ex-Buggles (Horn and Downes) hahahahahaha
I have said a long tome ago that perhaps a Anderson-Wakeman less band should be called "NO", pretty close to the edge of Yes, I daresay!  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 00:58
ha ha ha!! Exactly! Here's a YouTube clip for the new "trib" Yes, with Benoit David and Ollie Wakeman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfAmQ_yDT_A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfAmQ_yDT_A Man, I dunno....I'm just fine with Ollie being a permanent replacement for his dad, if that's what happens, the kid has chops. Benoit David is OK, I still like my buddy Steve Carney from Fragile quite a bit more! Maybe Yes should have been a bit more adventuresome and branched out, recruiting a nice woman with contralto voice range! I tend to agree with the protesters, this is a nice try, but it ain't Yes. Oh well.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 19 2010 at 23:03
I have had similar feelings about all the members having been thrown out of Yes, particularly because of reading about Peter Banks, he even says to date he doesn't know why he was asked to leave. However, in the end, the ressults have been often very good, and otherwise we would have missed many excellent pieces of music... and I wouldn' have been able to have seen Yes last year. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 16:14
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[/QUOTE]
I have had similar feelings about all the members having been thrown out of Yes, particularly because of reading about Peter Banks, he even says to date he doesn't know why he was asked to leave. However, in the end, the ressults have been often very good, and otherwise we would have missed many excellent pieces of music... and I wouldn' have been able to have seen Yes last year.[/QUOTE] Good points, mate! Having played in some really good bands, I can tell you that, sometimes, members become rather predatory & gang up on others for some damn reason. Hard to figure, but I've seen it happen several times, even against extremely talented guys. Regarding early Yes, I had once read in an old Rolling Stone article that the band felt Pete "was more into his clothes than his music," and wanted a change in direction. Fair enough, but I have to wonder how the band might have evolved with Peter in there....some of his latest work, such as his CD "Instinct" are quite amazing! Interesting read about Jon Anderson's being given the boot by Yes: http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/09/24/yes-jon-anderson-disappointed-that-band-recruited-replacement/ - http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/09/24/yes-jon-anderson-disappointed-that-band-recruited-replacement/ I dunno, I've seen enough YouTube of Benoit David to know that I'm not terribly interested in this version.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 16:21
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^ Poor Jon. I can't believe so many people support this garbage. It's very bad form for them to treat him this way. Sometimes principle and respect are more important than the music itself. Hell, when is it NOT more important? I swear, I will never let that happen in any band I may be a part of.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 22:04
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I insist, I have had a difficult time digesting Yes's stories about kicking out Banks and Kaye so they could get "better" musicians (Howe and Wakmean; well, indeed I do think they were better musicians, but that's me), which is rather similar to what has happened to Anderson now. In fact, I think it was, in a way, worst back then, because there was no apparent reason (I think Squire once stated the reason Tony Kaye returned to Yes in the 80's was because there had been no real reason to kick him out in the first place), while now Yes is touring without Jon because he was not up to it and the others had been waiting for him to be able to tour and just couldn't go on. If one would think principle reasons should prevent us from at least giving a try this new Yes lineup, well, then we should not hear them at all, at least not any album after Time and a Word (Relayer included, JLocke, which I understood was your favourite).
However, I even believe Squire, Howe, and White faced somewhat of a dilemma (or at least it would have been a difficult dilemma for me, perhaps not to them): They first started touring with Benoit (and Oliver) because Jon (and Rick) couldn't tour anymore; they didn't even tour at first under the name Yes (though everyone refered to them as Yes anyway). Yes want to make a new CD, a task for which Jon is perfectly fit for (and even Rick), but how could the rest of Yes just thell Benoit and Oliver they are not into the album, even though they have toured with them. And even worst, now Jon claims he would like to participate in some of the later concerts of Yes and the others just don't heed him. I think perhaps the best solution would be to accept Jon as a "special guest" for some few concerts he could handle, and make the album with both singers (perhaps even with both Oliver and Rick too). But then again, perhaps Squire and Howe feel "relieved" not to have Jon wanting to control too much of the band as he usually does... I don't really know. As I said, it's some sort of dilemma. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 22:09
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^ Wakemen left willingly, and for his own reasons. 'Relayer' was made without him because he chose to no participate. It was a mutual decision, therefore, not even close to what I'm talking about, Kaye and Banks reportedly became difficult to tour with, and didn't want to progress in the same direction as the others, so they were let go by Jon (the band leader, in most respects) for artistic reasons.
Jon has been kicked out unwillingly and replaced by somebody who cannot hold a candle to him. There is absolutely no good reason for this except the Yes guys didn't want to wait on their friend to get better, so they went on without him. How sh*tty is that? Very. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 20 2010 at 22:48
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Yes, ofcourse I know Wakeman left the band willingly afther ToTO (and perhaps the rest of Yes let him go somewhat unwillingly), what I meant was that Relayer was released after they kicked out Kaye and Banks, and Howe was still part of the band. In the end they did get kicked out of the band unwillingly (as was Moraz, as far as I've read recently in the forum). However, in the end, all this resulted in exceedingly great albums and songs which we wouldn't have know as they are otherwise.
As for Squire, Howe and White touring without Jon, I'm still not totally against it (in the end, Jon has even been advised not to do any long world-wide tours again, so waiting for Jon would mean the rest of Yes not touring world-wide again, which certainly they still want to do), however, there are some points that made it quiet sh**ty. I believe Jon deserved a visit from, Squire (or Steve or Alan) to at least inform him (if they didn't wish to ask his permission) about their plans, and ofcourse see how he was doing and wish him a rapid recovery (though that last part certainly doesn't concern any one of us at all); or at the very least he deserved a personal phone call. And I don't see why they wouldn't allow him to perform with them whenever he is available and feeling well, and why they are letting him out of their new album plans. Sure we, their fans, would appreciate their perfomances and work better if he were still around, at least from time to time, and we knew they hadn't taken that sh**ty attitude as you've said. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 21 2010 at 00:59
Nice post, thanks! Maybe Anderson should get together with Banks and Kaye again? That might be interesting! I'm taking a pass on this new Yes out of loyalty to Anderson.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 21 2010 at 23:36
| Well, perhaps Billy Sherwood could make some alternate "Yes" reunion. I belive he was interested in having Peter Banks on guitars there, or perhaps Rabin, however in the end that obviously didn't happen. However, what if he could do something like that again: Himself on bass, Banks on guitar, Kaye on keyboards, and take Anderson on vocals too; just wondering who could come to drums, since White seems to be well into the other "Yes", and Bruford doesn't seems to have retired already... well, however, this won't happen anyway. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 22 2010 at 21:36
Interesting concept, thanks! I was just listening to the first "Conspiracy" CD and enjoyed Sherwood's contribution. *sigh* Yes....can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em! I sure wish Peter Banks had been more productive during the past 20 years or so, wonder what's up with that?
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Posted By: cracker
Date Posted: February 23 2010 at 06:35
| GOD DAMN CRAZY FOOOOOLS ;-) |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: February 23 2010 at 07:50
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Yes hasn't been the band I grew up with and followed say, 30 years? ago. But I enjoyed every incarnation, although not as much as during the Yes Album to (including) Drama period.
So good for them for carrying on, it's my option whether or not to support them. Better than not having the option at all.
I'm getting on a bit now, and Drama showed me at the time that Yes can exist in top form, even with out Jon Anderson, so, to be honest, I'm not really bothered.
Wouldn't mind a new album either.
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 24 2010 at 03:48
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I just bought Drama today (finally) so this will be my first experience of a Anderson-less Yes. If I can handle Buggles Yes, I can probably handle Benoit David Yes. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: February 24 2010 at 09:27
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Wise choice, a great album. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 26 2010 at 02:26
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Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Alan White of Yes will be having the logo for their upcoming late fall 2010 tour designed by long-time Yes graphic designer Roger Dean, at a cost of one... billion... dollars. Rolf - found this on a Yes fan-page ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 26 2010 at 22:37
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 23:33
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:01
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“They play with a different singer now; he looks and sounds like me when I was 25 (laughing). You know (laughing), they are my brothers, but sometimes you have to disagree even with your brothers. They just want to make money, which mainly means touring a lot these days; and by all means go out and tour, but don’t call it Yes, because that is definitely NOT Yes on tour. I will just say that I wish they had behaved in a more gentlemanly fashion.” http://www.pbpulse.com/music/concert-reviews/live-shows/2010/02/22/lineup-changes-in-yes-band-fail-to-deter-loyal-fanbase/ - http://www.pbpulse.com/music/concert-reviews/live-shows/2010/02/22/lineup-changes-in-yes-band-fail-to-deter-loyal-fanbase/
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:09
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^ Pretty classy of Jon to just laugh it off and go on with his life. Funny . . . he doesn't seem like the egotistical jerk Steve Howe made him out to be. Projecting a bit, there, Steve? Whoever left that comment on the interview you just linked here hit the nail right on the head. Some fans will eat crap up no matter what as long as it still has the 'Yes' label on it. Sad, but oh well.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:30
Yeah, I agree! I just feel that the band crapped on Anderson, maybe that is not what happened in reality. I would have been MUCH more impressed if they had gone in a totally new direction with a vocalist, even a woman, rather than a tribute-band Jon Anderson wannabe that they found on YouTube!! "Drama" isn't my favorite Yes album, but at least they didn't try to be sound-alike automatons. Sounds like the band is "sheering the sheep" (Yes fans willing to pay to see some semblance of the band). *sigh* this might be the beginning of the end for Yes....from what I've seen of Benoit David on YouTube, I'm not really very impressed. |
Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:30
All that Howe said was that the classic lineup wasn't working anymore, note that user Bobby's post is actually: "... Steve said in an interview that the "classic line-up" wasn't working anymore. And the fact that Jon won't sing anything from Drama and some other songs is really pathetic..." So, he was just paraphrasing the part about the lineup not working, what followed was just Bobby's opinion... FWIW, I've seen this lineup three times, and they have been fantastic - I only got to see Yes with Jon Anderson twice before, many years apart, and I must sheepishly admit that I miss Rick Wakeman more than Jon! Oliver is somewhat bland, but I think his job is more to convey the material as-recorded rather than become a new identity, but maybe that will change after their new album. I am very happy that there is an actively touring lineup of Yes...If anyone is standing on the sidelines and missing these shows because of the controversy, do yourself a favor - go see them. I am sure I didn't imagine the three standing ovations the last time I saw them.... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:45
I've already said that the guy was paraphrasing, and that he didn't even give a link to the actual interview. Also, there is no punctuation to clearly mark where the quote ends. But if I did misunderstand where the quote ended and the opinion began, I'm willing to take back my original reaction. I'm still not buying it until I find the actual interview where Steve mentions the line-up not working anymore. Then I'll know for sure what he did or didn't say. I don't care how many glazey-eyed sheep follow this forgery around and give standing ovations at shows; I've seen footage of this new Yes in action, and it's not enjoyable for me. I don't understand how anybody can support this move by Steve, Alan and Chris when you take into consideration how close Jon is to Yes, and how he nearly died of health issues, during which time none of the guys in the band even bothered to check in to see how he was doing. Nah . . . keep your standing ovations and all that jazz. I'm not condemning you for enjoying it, but I don't have to like them for behaving this way. I would expect anybody who actually gives a damn about what Yes was truly about would also feel the way I do, but perhaps now I'm just getting cheeky.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:59
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 01:02
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Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 03:45
Oops, sorry, I had no idea that this was so heated, I would have commented differently - I was just sharing my personal experience with this lineup and I was curious about the possible Howe comment... Band lineups can have special meanings to people, I understand...I had no interest in Page/Plant due to John Paul Jones' absence (I always felt he was the secret ingredient that set Zeppelin apart)... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 04:07
Shouldn't you be monitoring this place, instead of stirring things up with such... remarks? |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 18:41
Oh, I hope you don't think I was directing those remark directly at you, man.  Damn, I really need to watch how I say things, on here. When will I ever learn?  No, I was just saying that just because people are loyal to a band, that doesn't meant the people within said band are worthy of the praise. I've read up on what Jon Anderson and his family endured during Yes' downtime, and I suppose my heart goes out the guy. Then, seeing how coldly the band has seemed to act towards him since, it does get me a little hot under the collar. But I didn't mean to say that you were supporting them despite their behavior. You're just supporting the music that you love, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm just explaining why on a personal level, I cannot bring myself to support them at this time. As I have said already in this thread, I know I'm the one suffering from my decision. Yes certainly aren't hurting without my measly one ticket.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 18:43
I'm a monitor/stirrer. It's a double shift job. Nah, man. Like I said in my last post . . . I come off as an ass more often than I intend.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 18:48
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Good thing we didn't go to see them (lost over $100 in tickets anyway), or we might have seen ourselves called 'glazey-eyed sheep' for applauding the band if we happened to like them in spite of everything. I've been called many things in my life, and not a lot of them complimentary, but sheep was never one of them.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 19:09
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hahha.. you are many things darling... but a sheep. Hah.. no .that you are not.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 19:22
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^ Raff, I don't believe you could EVER be a sheep in any situation. You're much to bright for that. Seriously, guys . . . don't take my rantings too closely to heart, alright? I mean no ill will when I bitch about modern Yes. I simply have very strong opinions, and sometimes I go a little too far when expressing them.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 19:24
hahha... don't worry... sounds like someone we both know ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 01 2010 at 23:10
Typical bass-player screwup! I'm working on it....
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 01 2010 at 23:12
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Uh....I really don't think that Mssr. Benoit David will be capable of writing words like these: "Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources,
Chased amid fusions of wonder, in moments hardly seen forgotten,Coloured in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of challenge, Amused but real in thought, we fled from the sea whole...." |