Dream Theater cracks the Billboard top 10
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Topic: Dream Theater cracks the Billboard top 10
Posted By: CCVP
Subject: Dream Theater cracks the Billboard top 10
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 12:47
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Dream Theater's new album, Black Clouds and Silver Linings, is in 6th place in the Billboard top 10, the band's best position ever in the Billboard, 1 week after its release, selling 40285 albums in that period. There is one thing: you all know DT got things with subliminal messages and this time it is not different. The album got 6 songs, 6 covers and debuted at 6th place in the Billboard. Wicked. . . . Links: Portnoy Forum: http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2357900.aspx Billboard top 200: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=The+Billboard+200 -------------   
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 12:58
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I haven't heard their newest, and am far from a DT expert, but can the success be attributed in part to the latest being a more mainstream metal album? Or because progressive music (and particularly progressive metal) has gained popularity, and more people can absorb it now? And because DT has managed to gain so many fans that are both hardcore proggers and non-hardcore proggers since it has a wider range of appeal than many of the more experimental acts. It's a likely a combination of factors, of course. Of course DT has a hardcore fan-base already, and is gaining many new fans. DT's idols, Rush, did very well with their latest as well.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 13:02
Congrats DT! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 13:10
| Cool, even if its not their best its good to see prog in the top 10. You say it is their best position ever, which I dont doubt, but do you know how high I&W got? |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 13:29
Well, according to Portnoy himself (check his forum), the best positions on the Billboard DT had, previously to this one, WERE: Systematic Chaos (#19) and Awake (#32). -------------
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rpe9p wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 13:34
Don't annoy him by saying that. He'll think its fixed or not "representative". ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 13:51
| Dag! Number 6??? That is f**king amazing! |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 14:06
what? If you want to drop the subject then drop it. I'd be happy to explain to you what I'm talking about if you want, but dont let it spill over into other threads. If you are just trying to make a joke then sorry, your intention does not come across well in text. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 14:11
I haven't got the LP yet - I'm not a particularly great fan, but this is great news and a huge rebuttal to all who that prog was dead  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 14:19
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Quite an accomplishment!
Well done, DT
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 14:19
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They cracked the chart?
I hope they don't get charged too much to repair it. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 14:27
| Yeah, I hear that's seven years bad luck |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 14:30
Honestly, this sounds like a flame war, to me. The guy has no business bringing the artgument into this thread, seeing as how it is unrelated except for the Dt connection.  |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:27
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next move will be Dream Theater on MTV Pop :) ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:32
Unbelievable. As if fanboys weren't overbearing enough, this will open the door for a whole new set of them who will immediately assume they found DT first.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:35
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Dream Theater is moving up in the world! Next, they'll be opening up for Hannah Montana! ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:38
I have tickets to see them in Boston this August!
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:41
No, no...they're not quite cool enough. This year it's the Jonas Brothers. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: kingcrimson2003
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:41
| Well done chaps! I remember being chuffed when I saw Ocatavarium in the Virgin Megastore Metal Top Ten! |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:42
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:46
 HAI GUYS. WE ARE THE JONAS BROTHERS. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:48
OK, I gotta admit that this is just F*CKING HILARIOUS -------------
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:48
Heard of LOL CATZ? We need LOL DTz? -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:52
hmm, so the total time of the gig will be something around 3 hours and 30 minutes. DT playing their usual 3 hour set and then the main act: Jonas Brothers playing all their songs 3 times. -------------
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Posted By: paulwalker71
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 16:24
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Scanning down the Billboard chart, I see that the new Mars Volta has come in at Number 12 Suggests that prog is doing well generally....  |
Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 16:30
Thank you for bringing a smile to my face
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 17:17
Rob, this is officially your best post ever. |
Posted By: Gustavo Froes
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 17:20
Yeah..but i'll take a shot and say that most people who are buying these albums don't have a clue that they are into progressive rock,if they know what the genre IS anyway. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 18:39
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^ How many of us knew what prog was when we first entered PA searching for information about one or two bands rock/metal bands that we liked?
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 18:39
Sure.
Perhaps I´ll buy the album, even I finished a bit tired of so much technical ecstasy in DT. I have 4 originals, but their last works seemed too repetitive and boring to me...but people talks very well about this BC&SL. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/"> 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 19:15
| So, THAT'S why BC & SL sucks.... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 19:59
which is often the case with prog, i.e. Jethro Tull, Rush, Pink Floyd I'm impressed, congrats DT, a shot in the arm for thoughtful and complex rock music |
Posted By: Amwitt2
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 00:10
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DT is getting the national recognition in the US that they have been getting for years in Sweeden and Japan. Its about damn time
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 00:49
Indeed! I seriously think prog will be one of the top genres within 5 years. Either that or i want it so bad I'm delusional. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 00:56
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Isn't it weird that these days you can enter the billboard top 10 with 40k albums sold? Maybe illegal downloads are bad for music after all ... I couldn't care less about billboard charts, but if album sales continue to decline, less albums will be produced. As much as I think that music is art, the musicians have to finance their lives somehow, so it will always also be an industry. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 01:41
I think it's good for 'em. Musicians get to stay closer to their fans and don't go aloof by being insanely rich. And come on, you sell 40k records and go on tour, your not going to starve However, I do think dl's can be a bad thing. There is this really good band from my town, Newmarket, that had to stop making music because their stuff got so heavily downloaded. Now they work at the local music store. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 10:14
Kind of the same thing happened to Maudlin of the Well. Their albums were only released in limited numbers and would sold out relatively quick. Now their latest album can be downloaded for free in their web site and you can decide if you want to donate something to them. I wish I could donate something, but i don't have any credit card and, in this case, I would need an international one. -------------
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 10:29
I'd say the biggest factor is that now they're on Roadrunner Records they actually have a label thats willing to promote them, and promote them quite a bit too, which is far more than Warner ever did. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 10:31
Touché -------------
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 12:16
Yeah, I agree. I only liked the album before it became famous. In all seriousness, while I have yet to hear DT's latest I do think it's very cool to see a prog band making it into the top 10. I do believe that the period we're in now is the genre's finest hour since the 70s, and it's nice to see some evidence of that. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 12:50
 Thanks! That, of course, makes perfect sense.------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 12:54
All I can say is.....
To all the haters.... hate them even more! They're making money out of the music you hate!!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:15
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Since it follows my post, Teo, I'm not sure if it's partially a response to mine (probably not, but just in case -- I haven't read the whole thread but expect yours is very general response and not to any particular people posting here. I guess it was also the touché comment before that made me wonder if it might appear that I had some negative agenda). I was merely enquiring why people think this has had such commercial success -- same question I would ask of many Prog bands in a similar situation that I'm not that familiar with. I hadn't known about the label move nor have I heard the album. Sleeper answered my question succinctly, and to more than my satisfaction. I should have thought of marketing. Heck, I'm even working on a paper that is in large part about marketing. Incidentally, I quite like DT, but I haven't delved into their music that deeply as I have yet to develop a deep appreciation for metal (progressive or otherwise). It would be silly for the "haters" to get really upset about it -- many LOLs at them if they are angry about DT's commercial success. EDIT: Of course some who dislike Progressive Metal or DT's brand of Progressive Metal might be upset that this indicates, and will lead to, increased popularity for a style they dislike, and more bands making music of the same ilk, and fear it will have a negative impact on the kinds of progressive music they like (perhaps fearing that other kinds of Prog will be abandoned more). I tend to think this is very positive and will bring far more people (both listeners and musicians) into the Prog fold (not just metal, but including bringing people to more traditional forms of prog -- as in Progressive Rock -- though because metal is a subgenre of rock...). Out with hate, in with love, or at least tolerance/ acceptance. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:33
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yea why get angry at a GOOD band doing well, it's not like they sacrificed their art for success. i think it's cool that DT were doing so well in the early 90s and now are doing it again (though without a hit single as far as i can tell) it is funny how younger kids have no idea about their earlier success (again, as far as i can tell) it makes sense theyd do this well with BC&SL. It's their tenth album, lots of promotion, the album is BIG in sound, and IMO their best since at least SDOIT or SFAM. maybe Awake... nice to see The Mars Volta also doing well. their new album is taking longer than usual to sink in, but it's a good album. At least the Black Eyed Peas are at #1 and not the Jonas Brothers. TBEP are at least good. though i dont pay any attention to Billboard charts...... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:36
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hahaha - from Mike Portnoy's forum post "a progressive metal album with four songs over 12 minutes in the US Top 10??? "
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:38
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Never would you deserve a "
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:45
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They probably spent all their hard earned cash over the years buying their own CD. Of course, the money would cycle back, so they just did it over and over again until they reached somewhere in the top 10. That's my theory. But seriously, that is pretty amazing. How many other modern day prog albums have got that far? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 14:01
Thanks! Though I ashamedly admit that I have jumped on the DT-hating bandwagon before, but it was not sincere of me to do so (more in fun). *comes out of closet* I truly was impressed with Scenes from a Memory... when I heard it, and it did help me to appreciate modern metal more (I did like some of the old-school metal bands, and music by Queensryche, Metallica etc.). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 14:29
I agree completely, BEP are one of the few genuine popular bands out there right now! I bought The E.N.D. and I am very glad it is so popular because I actually think it is progressing pop music into a better place with more electronic progressive elements. They did completely their own thing on this album, and it payed off. As for BC & SL I haven't bought it yet, sadly.. I WILL GO GET IT RIGHT NOW!!! seeing as i just got payed. I think ill get the 3-disk version then the vinyl a bit later |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 15:56
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^ yea and BEP can be funky as hell too! but yea theyre actually a good band, whos immensely popular, very rare these days ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 16:50
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^ yeah, they had a lot of funk in Monkey Buisness. Will-i-am does most of the beats in their new CD, he has become a really good producer.
I know i'm getting off topic here but,
I can't wait until they release some of MJ's stuff he recorded recently, he did collaberations with a lot of good artists including Will-i-am. I also heard they are going to release his last dress-rehearsal which he did 2 days b4 he died as a DVD, that would be amazing!
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 16:51
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I´ve spend a little while ago in a big store looking for interesting music to take home with me, and I´ve listened every track of DT new album. I´ve listened it twice in "previous listening" way, with ear-phones, just trying to convince myself its buying would be worth, but I left it in the shelf finally. What I´ve listened doesn´t offer anything new TO ME.
I´ll keep my money ready just to buy this (not proggy but sounds amazing) one:
 tohellwiththedeeevilll!!!!
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 17:52
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Just to clarify; my 'omg!' response was mainly due to the fact that DT has never been that high in the charts; not because modern Prog Rock hasn't. To the people saying, "Wow, I guess Prog isn't as underground in the public as we thought!", I must ask . . . do you not realize that bands such as Tool, Radiohead, The Mars Volta, etc. are very popular bands? Prog has been alive and well for many years, now. |
Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 18:27
well, for me it's that I don't like any of the three bands you listed very much, even though i try and appreciate all music. I'm am excited that some energetic, fun prog is getting more popular. Most of what 'prog' is popular right now comes from the alternative movement in the 90's which is probably the most boring musical movement IMHO
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 20:47
Let's hope the newPT does as well. But when we see the likes of Karmakanic getting a good showing on the charts, perhaps we can be comfortable that Prog Rock is making a dent. -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 10:13
yea i agree, but i wouldnt lump The Mars Volta in with Tool and Radiohead. TMV's music is quite exciting. Besides, The Mars Volta started in 2002. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 12:53
agreed. However they are also the least popular of the three mentioned
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 13:42
lol, DT hasn't been 'energetic' or 'fun' since the mid 90s, but okay.  j/kTool was never part of the Alt. movement, and neither was TMV. Radiohead, maybe, but Radiohead still has much more creativity present in their music then most other Alt. Rock bands could dream of. Makes me wonder if you have even really listened to these bands, or if you've only taken others' accounts as your own opinion. I'm not trying to be difficult or confrontational, but I'm just defending these bands' integrity. Hell, I hate a lot of TMV stuff, but I know they aren't ''Alternate''.  |
Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 13:55
I was more talking about Radiohead and Tool there, not really TMV. However, I will admit, I am significantly unexperienced in all of these bands catalogs. But this is because what I have heard of them, I was significantly bored. I will revisit them again soon though, be assured. Out of the three, I have enjoyed some of Radiohead's stuff the most actually. Coming from a background in DT and Rush, what would you suggest as an entry point to TMV?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 16:43
| ^ The debut, NO doubt about that... |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 19:38
When it comes to TMV, absolutely listen to "De-Loused in the Commatorium" , as it is the only true 'masterpirce' I think they have made. When it comes to Tool, do not, I repeat, DO NOT listen to their "Opiate" EP or the "Undertow" album; you will be sorely disapointed. I would suggest with Tool to start with either "La te ra lus" or "10,000 Days", then AEnima next. Glad you are liking Radiohead's stuff, even a little. i never used to care too much for them, but lately they gave grown on me quite a bit. Hopefully the same will be said about TMV and Tool in your case. There is room enough for all, i think, and I certainly love DT for what they are, but I dunno . . . I just never felt the 'heart and soul' of their music after the first few records. That's just me, though. Take care. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 20:18
Good to hear some prog charting... Its been a while! ------------- 
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 22:35
Well, i don't mean to make his thread go astray, but I hate to say that this is hugely subjective. First off, how come DT hasn't been energetic and fun since the 90? Spare me the Rudess suck argument, they have been making more experiments, music wise, in their last years than ever before, specially from 98-2001 (LTE 1&2 + SFaM & SDoIT) and now. OK, Train of Thought, Octavarium and Systematic Chaos can't be called masterpieces, but people obviously jump into conclusions when talking about them. Just because they are not perfect it does not means they suck. Those 3 albums are, in quality, pretty similar to Genesis's A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. In the second place, Tool, in my honest, HONEST opinion, has never released any good albums and I really don't know how a grunge band with just some heavier riffs found it's way to being classified as heavy metal, but this is just me, my opinion. They are one of few bands that I really can't find an album or a song to like. As for TMV, it is true that their debut stands out as being their best or second best, maybe, but i don't really think they ever released a bad album. In fact the album that grabbed my attention, the one that made me want to know more about them was The Bedlam Goliath, which is a damn good album, but it looks like people around here can't handle when music becomes a bit more acid than they are used to. Didn't listened to their last one though. In Radiohead's case, well, I don't know their 2 first albums but from OK Computer on they are a pretty good band. -------------
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 05 2009 at 00:50
| I think it's interesting how DT can crack the Billboard top 10 but not the PA Top 100 of '09. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 05 2009 at 01:04
Okay, here we go . . . I'm pretty sure my comment on DT was accompanied by a " " and a "j/k". This means: "I'm just joking". We have nothing more to discuss on that point.Right, now that we have that out of the way, three points about Tool: Firstly: Tool has never considered themselves "Metal". That was a tag the ignorant press of the time stuck on, and people to this day still hold to that as what they really are. Secondly: Tool isn't a 'grunge' band, either. For you to even make this claim shows me that you haven't truly given them a good listen. Their debut EP and first LP are pretty much crap in my view, as my reviews state. However, after those entries, they blossomed greatly. From the AEnima record onward, they have grown by leaps and bounds in instrumentation, songwriting and technicality. If you honestly can't hear this, then like I say, you havwn't truly listened. Third: Tool is a band that must grow on you. I went from absolutely hating them to adoring them over a period of about five years. They are not a band you can simply hear a song or two by (or even an entire album) one time and go away with a true grasp on the complete experience behind their music. They are not an immediate favorite, and believe me, I understand where you are coming from in not understanding why they are so popular, but believe me, much is to be appreciated in there if you give it the chance. And finally, I don't care what anybody says about TMV, I will NEVER consider TBiG a listenable album. Alrighty, back on point, now . . . . I still haven't heard the new album, but so far the reviews I've read have been pretty mixed, which is good. At least it isn;t all godlike praises or unrelentable curses. I can take these varied reviews much more seriousely. Probably been touched upon before, but if one were to compare BCaSL to any orevious DT album, which does it closest resemble? |
Posted By: cobb2
Date Posted: July 05 2009 at 01:58
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There is nothing new here p0mt3- it resembles them all, except each song is extremely well crafted. I personally cannot say there is a bad track on the release. Everything has a place and everything sits well in its place. I was tired of the previous three releases by this stage, but not so with this- in fact I still look forward to putting it on again. As a personal opinion best release since six degrees, though nothing like six degrees. At least it was this one that made the charts so dramatically- if it was the previous, we may have had to put up systematic chaos being rehashed over and over. Now they know they can make money out of more progish works, I think the next one may well be a treat. On a local note, It has popped into the Australian charts at 16 with a bullet
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 00:04
| I finally bought the album yesterday. I listened to the first 5 tracks as soon as i got home. It was enjoyable but I fell asleep for 1 1/2 tracks so I dont really remember much besides the first three tracks. I am looking forward to the last track however, i have heard some people think its some of the best work they have done. Also looking forward to the covers, I didn't know they did Lark's until i bought it |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 14:23
Ops, I'm sorry, didn't realized it was a joke actually.  Concerning Tool, well, some say they tried listening a band when they listen to only one album only a limited number of times, which is not my case. When I give a band or an album a try , I really do and with Toll it was no different. Back in early 06 to early 08 I was trying most bands which I love today, Gentle Giant, Pain of Salvation, King Crimson, Mike Oldfield, Shadow Gallery, Khan, etc. Among these bands were bands that i didn't liked, like Tool. I tried 2 albums (AEnima and Lateralus) and neither was able to inspire me. I listened them pretty much together with GG, so I tried them for about a year. the only song (or songs) that I find mildly interesting were the Parabol-Parabola, and even so it wasn't spectacular. Maybe some day I will give them another try, but for now they are far from impressing me. Concerning DT, I don't think BC&SL resemble any other album, but frankly, which DT album ever does, except Systematic Chaos? I think one of their biggest qualities is that every album is different. The only resemblance I can think of is that Wither resemble a part of Ministry of Lost Souls and that's it. -------------
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 14:35
Did I just read that? BC&SL doesn't resemble another DT album? OK, maybe not collectively, but each song sounds like one, or parts of one, from a previous album. DT has become the most uncreative band in ProgRock. To reiterate, for a set of musicians of their caliber, it is a slap in the face to Prog fans. They are the perpetual regurgitators of self and influence. -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 15:39
OK, to make such a comment you OBVIOUSLY don't listen to prog rock, so WTF are you doing here???? -------------
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 15:44
LOL! Right. -------------
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 16:28
well I will agree with you somewhat. DT hasn't been quite as experimental as other prog bands to say the least. But I think that they have their part to play in the prog universe. What they are doing that is most important is introducing metal-heads to prog elements so that when someone who has listened to DT listens to some post-rock they aren't quite as turned off. And I do think they are becoming better as a band especially with this last album
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 20:12
DT are now a metal band, not prog really, I think. Sure if they make more albums as I&W or AWAKE, they would be more appreciated in the forum and their position in charts and Tops would go down...and down. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 20:23
| this is something . DT reached 6 , Prog is taking over the charts .. strange .. The Mars Volta 12 .. even stranger .. maybe better times for Prog are coming .. or not ; i doubt the ones which bought these albums,or at least the majority of them know that these groups actualy play Prog .. |
Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 21:46
does it really matter if they know that the music has a certain label? The important thing is that they will be more receptive to music with similar progressive elements. I just can't wait until some post rock gets popular |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 22:13
You're right... Out of curiosity I went through the different lists: The last Dream Theater album to make the top 100 list for its respective year was 6DOIT. I knew not everyone liked ToT or 8va but I figured those would at least make the tail end of the list, so I was a little surprised. EDIT: Even if you filter it to just prog metal, anything after 6DOIT doesn't chart. Interesting. |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 23:57
Very interesting that information you´ve mentioned.
Perhaps we might count on another fact, I think. The one that tells that DT are repeating theirselves since many years ago. Since they noticed that they could sell more Cds being a metal band than a prog one with melodies and metal paintings. I think that mixture is their personal musical stamp, and the land where they makes more interesting things. Just composing good melodies, and not trying to adjust them to METAL METAL METAL sketches.
In my personal vision, I see them a bit out of play cauze all those things. And don´t misunderstand me, I like metal very much, and have many Lps and Cds, it´s just that in my opinion: only Metal is not DT style.
I hope someday they will take a look to their past and make a good prog, melodic, and metal album with good songs as they know to do. Meanwhile, I´ll listen my loved DT cds in my hi-fy system... ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 07 2009 at 00:16
| The problem right now is that they're trying to be too prog and too dark at the same time, it's coming off as very bland, because who ISNT doing that right now? |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 07 2009 at 07:23
Even though they are writing with all the elements of Prog, it doesn't impress like it used to. Their music is the same old, same old. As far as them being dark, I've said it before, they need Kevin Moore for this. None of them have that disturbed element in their personalities. When they try to write dark lyrics or music, it sounds contrived and weak. But like was said in an above post, they have done so well on the charts not because they are Prog, but because people think they are metal. You can probably thank Guitar Hero/Rock Band for that. They are the new Avenged Sevenfold or Dragonfarce. -------------
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Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: July 07 2009 at 07:36
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Congratulations DT and much deserved too! I think BC&SL is a wonderful combination of metal, prog and melodic music. Looking forward to seeing them live again in October. Keep up the good work! ------------- 
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 07 2009 at 08:53
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OK, now this thread is about how Dream Theater always sucked and copied themselves, even in their first album, but now they suck even more because they are moving in a different direction from what everybody thought was f*cking awful in the first place.
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: July 07 2009 at 09:55
Their charting is most probably because of their exposure due to rock band, yes. I don't think they are on GH tho. But the difference between the bands that get popular with GH [dragonforce] and the ones that get popular through RB [DT, AS]
Is that Dragonforce sucks
Interestingly, I was in HMV the other day, and they have their own charts, and BC & SL was 3rd
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: July 07 2009 at 17:33
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The fact is that DT is selling now more Cds than ever before. And that´s very good...for their wallets.
They will be soon the next "Prog Rolling Stones"...  ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Wintersun
Date Posted: July 19 2009 at 20:00
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I see it that DT has brought Prog to a more mainstream level, and by that i mean this: they still write fairly proggy music, if taking a hint from the Crossover crowds. They have proven that progressive elements can still be included in music and can sell. The punk-mind set has worn off after all these years. If Portnoy would quit trying to be a poster boy, rock star, and a writer, and just be a drummer, they might, musically, take a step back and look the direction they are heading and make a u-turn. The fact that MP has a fetish for crappy music (imo, exp: Slipknot, Kiss, Spears, various punk bands, etc) and is writing music with the mindset of "being more metal and more appealing" is what is degrading DT, imo. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 20 2009 at 02:34
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Well done DT. I'm eagerly awaiting a day when I can talk to someone who knows what a 'dream theater' is.
In a response to some earlier posts, I think BC&SL is quite the throwback to 6 Degrees. Nightmare to Remember and Shattered Fortress are quite heavy like Glass Prison, Rite of Passage is the sort of mainstreamish metal akin to Misunderstood (even though it has a quite proggy and interesting buildup), and The Best of Times and parts of Count of Tuscany have some of the happiest moments in DT history like a lot of the music in Disc 2. The rest of Count of Tuscany is distinctly SFAM-y though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lodij van der Graaf
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 12:18
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They really are an unstoppable band! Got to get Black Clouds & Silver Linings soon, though..  ------------- Grace is a name, like Chastity, like Lucifer, like mine!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:17
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I agree with the opinion than BC&SL is not a masterpiece, but frankly, after reading many 1 stars reviews of the album, i think there's a lot of hating towards the band. It's not a 5 stars, but neither a 1. Also surprise me the fact that some people spend 500, 800 o more words only to say how bad is the album and why one have to hate it. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 01:06
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after giving it over a month to sink in, i still think it's one of their best albums theyve made yet!
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Posted By: rockout475
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 18:55
| Down with DT....Hail Tool! |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 20:45
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^ That contributed to the discussion very well. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:17
No, it did. It helped us realize that this Rockout475 guy shouldn't be talked to unless he... starts to think. -------------
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:02
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 08:22
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Well, I say, good for DT. It's about time! I'm going to have to get this album soon. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 16:53
That was the joke. . . . . -------------
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Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 17:02
some might say he's eyehole deep in muddy waters ;) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/g0rd0nb0mbay/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 22:30
| I must say, that even if other Dream Theater albums have better songs than the ones on BC & SL, this is the album that I enjoy the most as a whole. There's not one single song that I really dislike, and LaBrie isn't singing in such an annoying way as he used to sing in other albums. |
Posted By: camilleanne
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 23:52
Oh no, I think Mike will not allow that..  Congratulations Dream Theater!! ------------- The planet is fine the people are f**ked. -George Carlin- |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 15:15
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The album has a solid 3.7 rating on the archives. Fair enough, maybe should be closer to 4, but all those 1 star givers do their job in order to demerit it. Thank God there are a lot of 5 stars givers to balance the equation. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:50
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Bout time, I say. After more than 20 years of slogging it, its about time they got into the charts.
That said, I hope this new fame doesn't go to Mike's head. I don't want DT to start writing three minute long power ballads. I do suspect their new audience are mostly metalheads, not progheads. The CD booklet photo of the band in BC&SL looks very 'metal'. I do like metal myself, but am a big fan of straight prog as well. I don't think DT should pander too much towards the metal crowd. It seems to me that DT are more embraced by the prog crowd than the metal community. Mags like Kerrang, Revolver, Hit Parader, Metal Hammer, etc, continue to run stories on the latest 'emo' bands, and DT barely gets a look in. Hammer did a feature on them promoting BC&SL, but admitted it was their first ever promotional feature for a DT release. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:58
DT albums always sound different to each other. Apart from 'The Shattered Fortress', which reprises parts from every previous song in the 12 step suite, I can't say BC&SL really regurgitates any other album they've previously done. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |