Will the world end in 2012?
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Topic: Will the world end in 2012?
Posted By: J-Man
Subject: Will the world end in 2012?
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:05
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The most recent discussion on this topic is a year old, so I thought I'd start a new one. This comes up a lot. How the long count calendar ends 12-21-2012, and some quotes from the bible about when we are near the end. The Yellowstone supervolcano is expected to erupt soon, a nuclear war could happen, population growth could become a problem, and computer intelligence doubles every 1.5 years, so there are a lot of factors going towards the end being near. Do you believe it will end, and do you care? Do you think it will happen naturally or man-made? Personally, I think it is a possibility. I think something good could happen 2012. The end of the calendar doesn't necessarily mean an apocalypse. Overall, there are enough factors to make me worry, but I try not to think about it. Your thoughts? ------------- 
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:09
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I don't think will end in our lifetime- Im pretty damn sure of myself too. If it does end in 2012, I sure hope Rush releases a new album beforehand- I'll die happy. ------------- |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:13
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I hear the world is going to end everyday it may do,it may not.As long as I get to see KC live before it does.Either way nice knowing you *raises beer
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:13
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No. Next question. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:14
| It's certainly possible. I guess we'll see on 21-22-2012. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:15
Damn, if we were just 100 years ahead it could end in 2112. That'd be a coincidence speaking of Rush. -------------
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Drew wrote:Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:16
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:16
I hope we all get to see KC live again. I don't think money is an issue with it, it all depends on the mood Fripp is and if he wants to deal with it all again. We're more likely to see him go solo again rather than in an Crimson incarnation.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:18
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The date will pass just like all of the other "apocalyptic" dates over the past centuries, with lots of media hype preceding and lots of people feeling silly afterwards. The planet is in the process of a slow death as we speak, with species loss increasing and population levels eventually moving beyond sustainable. But more people are interested in myths (rapture anyone?) than reversing the human footprint. I see some evidence that this is changing in young people so I'm trying to be hopeful....we'll see. But no, don't lose sleep about 2012. Just remember how many times before people have been convinced about this nonsense, only to wake up the next day (except for the suicide cults!) |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:18
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Apocalyptic predictions went out with Nostradamus. Now they're so overrated.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:24
I remember Y2K. It was kind of funny how many people hid in their basements with enough food to last for months, only to find that it a bunch of crap. I don't think the world will end I'm just considering the possibility. In all fairness, everything has to come to an end...  -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:28
Perhaps, though I'd like to think we could go on indefinitely if we learned sustainability and how to solve the wars issue....eventually moving into other parts of the universe through scientific discovery. I'm convinced that is possible, but I'm not optimistic enough that humans can pull it off, superstitious, gluttonous, and war-mongering as we tend to be in recent centuries.  |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:52
War isn't the problem in the past few centuries. War has been going on as long as people have been on the face of the earth. The problem is, with nuclear weapons, and maybe more deadly ones in the future, we have powerful enough weapons to possibly end the world. -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 20:39
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Very true^ But hopefully MAD will keep the nukes in the tank between the big kids. Fingers crossed. |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 21:34
Perhaps I should write Fripp a letter giving him details on the importance of a KC concert.I can't imagine he receives many fan letters involving KC and the apocalypse.Anyhow about the cults,that's quite a worry this surely is going to be a huge day/year on a cults calendar.I hope nothing comes of it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 21:38
Um..yeah... Next question: Are you tired of alarmists? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 21:44
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I, for one, will be saddened if it doesn't.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 21:47
Sweet,by the sounds of it I should be to bring King Crimson (if Fripp replys to my letter) see above ^ ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 21:51
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 23:29
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It may - it may not. I don't see the point in worrying about it. I'm a fatalist so whatever will be will be and there aint nothing we can do about it!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 23:43
Can see it now, Dude who are you?
I'm David, y'know Plankowner progarchives...
oh, hi, how are you?
Good, where's Fripp?
what?
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 03:17
it's ok, the album will be a prequel to 2112, and will be their most progressive album. it'll be called "12212012" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 03:22
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King Crimson should hold a concert that day btw. Then release it as a live album afterwards (when we're still here) and call it "21st Century Schizoid Man On The 21st"
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 03:24
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actually i think that date is when Prog Rock is accepted into the mainstream, new trendy prog bands break out, and the new Dream Theater hits #1 on the charts, and stays at #1 for 5 weeks then the world explodes... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 06:43
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
+++ So far as I see it then, the Yellowstone supervolcano will erupt, the resultant earthquake will make all superpowers fall onto their big red "NUCLEAR ARSENAL DO NOT PUSH THIS BUTTON" buttons, the risen Christ will emerge from the ocean on Atlansis's roof (thus proving Pallas almost right, dammit  ) and the owner of a small deli in downtown Chicago will reveal himself to be the b*****d son of Elvis Presley and Nostradamus (a crossbreed made possible by an accident with DNA and a time machine) & say "I told you so" 
Could be an interesting front page of The Times, then  ------------- 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 06:54
| Let's hope so, but I wouldn't hold my breath. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 07:04
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If that volcano goes, you may have to. -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 08:21
It's a great way to sell duct tape and bottled water. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 08:51
Agreed. It's only the abbreviated long count that ends in 2012 anyhow, not the full one. See the part about the higher order cycles. 2012 would have been a huge clebration for the Myans like a millennium party, not a doomsday event. The idea that the long count runs out in 2012 and it'll be doomsday was an idea cooked up by some baked hippies back in the 60s. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 09:19
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Of course not, everyone knows the world will end in http://www.deepastronomy.com/apophis-asteroid-could-hit-earth.html - 2036 .
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 09:28
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Posted By: theteaclub_dan
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:20
Hmmm... I think I would be okay with that. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:40
He had a response on DGM website last week to a posting about KC playing in a park. : Posted by Mikhail664 on April 24, 2009 Geez when Robert looks outside his window doesnt he ever think, jeez what a beautiful day today i feel like playing. Yes. Lets call the crim crew and set up a few small gigs and play at a park or something. No |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:56
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I`m watching a 12 year-old girl on youtube play Red right now.. Maybe we can get her.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:58
| I hardly think it's the end of the world if Robert Fripp has something better to do than play gigs. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 13:11
On no. Not until we get personal jet-packs, flying cars, dehydrated water, ray guns, space elevators, teleporters, wrist-watch communicators, X-Ray specs that actually work... Once we get all those, then the world can end, but not before. 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 13:17
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No need to worry. I have it on good authority that the disaster foretold in the Mayan calendar is Poland organising the 2012 Euro footbal championship. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 13:19
Absolutely not - it is that prize goofball Brown wasting our millions on the Olympics in London that the great civilisation foretold ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 13:24
Ah, that is indeed an alternative interpretation worth considering |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:22
I've done some reading about this in the past. The chance is pretty small, but even if it were to strike earth, I'm being optimistic that we'd have technology that could somehow have a gravitational pull and direct the asteroid away from earth. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:29
exactly -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:32
That's the one area of physics I wouldn't pin any hopes upon. The only mass big enough to exert an influence would be the moon or something from the asteriod belt - and we are not going to develop the tech to drag either of those around space in the next 27 years ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:34
No...but I think there's supposed to be a ELE comet that has a small chance of smashing into the earth in 2036 or something. Hmmmm...that would rock. I'll be 67 if I've lived that long, and what a better way to go than during a mass extinction.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:35
I know NASA monitors these sorts of things, and they'll be able to detect any "dinosaur killer" impacts several months (if not years) out. The idea is then that we smack it with something while it's far away, changing it's trajectory ever so slightly. If you do it with enough advance notice, it won't take much force to adjust even a huge body's trajectory so it will avoid the Earth. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:42
Bite your tongue.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:45
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No, the Mayan thing is absurdly stupid and pointless. I cannot understand why anyone is paying attention to it. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:59
yeah, but. Robert Duval and Bruce Willis will be too old and frail by then!
PANIC!!!! ------------- What? |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 16:02
I'd rather not.  |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 16:03
Deep Impact owns Armageddon. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 16:32
But they're an ancient civilisation! Everyone knows that ancient civilisations are privy to knowledge unattainable by modern science, like the existence of aliens, the date of the end of the world, faster-than-light travel and the location of the pencil case I lost a few years ago... |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 17:52
I don't think the whole Mayan thing means much from the surface either, but these guys were very advanced for their time. They were the first to use the number 0, and were advanced astronomers for their time. I think it's more myth than truth, but I don't think that it's absurd or anything like that. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 19:20
They were advanced, but how does "They had an advanced calendar, and it happens to end in 2012, so the world will end because OOGAH BOOGAH" make any sense? They didn't even realize the dangers of deforestation... ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: progaeopteryx
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 20:41
| Inside the faith sneaks a news. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 20:51
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I'm gunna go with...yes! Its gunna be the asteroid, Quetzalcoatl will come and kill all the non believers, or the world will just end when we reach zero point. Theres so many people saying we will all die in 2012 it must be true! To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if we all do in 2012...but it'll most likely be a nuclear war |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 20:55
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Fascinating that this comet is named 99942 Apophis (666 upside down and inverted + the ultimate answer to the ultimate question + the Greek name for the Egyptian god Apep - the uncreator) and that the comet would hit on Easter Sunday, April the 13th. That's just too good right there. Gonna have to go reread Revelations and/or listen to Supper's Ready. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 20:58
Now THAT is crazy. There's no denying that it's gunna happen now. I better just enjoy life until April 12, 2012. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 21:48
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Let me just say that anyone who has researched this 2012 prediction knows that many people predicted the same exact date over the centuries. It has come up quite a few times, and always in a negative, end-of-the-world light. All of the people who predicted it didn't know each other, and lived in completely different countries/centuries, and a computer program originally designed to predict stock market crashes also pointed to 12-21-2012 as being a cataclysmic event. So if this is all just some big consiracy, it's pretty damn elaborate. That being said, I'm not really worried about it. If the world does end then, there is nothing we can do about it, so I say enjoy life while you can, and after all, isn't that what anyone can do? |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 21:52
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Beyond here lies nothing...or so sez Dylan, and I always trust his lyrics.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 22:35
So if KC aren't available in a unforeseen 1 in a million chance,for backup we'll have a tribute of virtuoso youtube youths.But my only problem is authenticity.Does she sit down when she plays? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:07
She plays the drums, so I assume she would. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 04:36
The only thing more appropriate would be if it hit on a Friday 13th.  ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 06:04
Agreed, but who do you want on your side to prevent the end of the world? 
or 
Hmmm - meatball or geek? -------------
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 07:26
| LOL |
Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 08:11
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No. /thread |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 10:22
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Definitely not. The end of the world is unpredictable for any human being. The long count of the Maya calendar is not a standard because no Maya was present when the world was created. Moreover, the date in the tzolkin/haab cycle (approximately 52 years) does not correspond to what should be a re-creation date according to the Mayan belief, so if there should be any Maya's nowadays, they should have a party and not fear.
I think that no remarkable day on any calendar can be pinpointed as a likely day for the end of the world (some people were afraid of 01-01-2000, less than 10 years ago). I think that the only remarkable source of information concerning the end is the Bible, which does not mention the USA or one of its volcanoes. But I believe that the world that we know is moving to its end with increasing speed, though I don't throw a guess when it will happen.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 10:53
True, but I was, and I e-mailed them the date & time  -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 14:06
It's true - I watched him do it.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 14:38
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lol they didn't have computers than so the email had to be printed out and sent like a letter.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 14:52
Deforestation wasn't a problem then. Any time before the Industrial Revolution this was irrelevant. Astronomy was almost always relevant to mankind, and the Mayans had a good understanding on that subject, but maybe not deforestation. You're right, this probably doesn't mean anything, I'm just stating the facts. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:03
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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 17:54
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 10:57
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the Mayans had the right idea. They picked a date and said anything after that, don`t blame us. ------------- |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 11:32
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Yeah, yust like it was gona end in 2000. Well if it indeed is the end it will only be the end for us silly human race, becaus the world cant end, we wipe ourself out then after some 100.000 maybe a milion years life will start again, and maybe some other animal evolve and gets smart and reapet all our mistakes... and that will continue untill the end of the universe or our sun explode. ------------- 
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Posted By: Necromancer
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 11:45
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The world if going to end in... 5 seconds. Oh well, it was ni-
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 11:51
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Nope, but the next age will emerge. The Age of Aquarius. (And nobody queue that dumb song.) ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 12:22
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IMPORTANT NOTICE
Anyone who has any prescient knowledge please PM me the numbers for tonight's Euromillions in the next 10 minutes.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 12:28
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 16:14
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The future is not what it used to be.
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: May 09 2009 at 09:27
Population growth could be a problem. Too late - it already is.
Computer intelligence doubles every year - whilst human intelligence halves every year.
Let's face it. The world isn't going to end in a calamity, it's already started.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 15:27
Very good theory!  -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 15:40
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The world has already ended you just need to get with the program.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 15:54
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God has a sick sense of humour. Why end it now? Push the envelope. Sort of hopping up your car to see how fast you can make it go before you blow the engine. He probably wakes up in the morning saying to himself, "I wonder what they did last night." Sort of leaving your dogs alone in the house for over 24 hours. On the seventh day he must have sat back with a nice cool lager and said to himself, "There, finished, let`s see how long it`s going to take them to screw it up completely." Sort of letting a family of racoons loose in a supermarket. God `s not finished with us yet. So much left to screw up. ------------- |