Which do you despise the most?
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Topic: Which do you despise the most?
Posted By: tszirmay
Subject: Which do you despise the most?
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:39
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I may have forgotten a few , please include in other. So what do proggers find the hardest to swallow?
I mean "country " just kills me everytime, I cannot stand the wimpy vocals, the gruesome drumming (yuck) the pedestrian bass and the whole darn' tootin' thang!  I mean Dolly Parton I can at least look at , as well as Faith Hill (hunka hunka) er.......oopsy!  But I cringe when I land on a country channel, the drawlin' drivel just gets me heading out the door , on my horse and into the wild blue yonder with a yearnin' for Siberian Khathru, at the very least. Like chili and BBQ , though ! and them there Texas cheerleaders are awfully cute!  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:50
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From the list, dance. I also despise a lot of world music, country, rap and pop, but at least country gave us some pretty amazing guitar players, at least there is cool 'pop' out there like some of the indie stuff, the 80s gave us great hip hop, and there is a little bit of world music I like. IMHO of course. Ohh yeah, and I pretty much love metal and punk so yeah, there is no 'despise' points towards them at all. Oh and also, I'm not a progger. I find the term downright embarrassing and would rather not be called that. I just dig music yo. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:54
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No prog option? That music sucks. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:56
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^Heh, there is the 'other please specify option'. In which case, feel free to say prog sucks. Because a lot of it does IMO, heh. -------------
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:57
Not only does it sucks but it blows too !
 I got insulted so many times by being called a progger, it just makes me feel even more of an outcast. Vive la Resistance! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
stonebeard wrote:Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:57
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Disco..
Though wherever the flock of seagulls and boy george fall into, is a very close second.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:58
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I was going to do this poll, but with specifics like post-grunge, pop-punk, synth-pop, smooth jazz, disco, etc. Just saying wide genres isn't very ueful, even though it's true people often think in those terms instead. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:00
Disco only lasted a few years and not all of it was bad! Which is why I used the term "dance" . AFoS and Culture Club were New Wave acts , I believe ! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:01
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^I think all of disco was bad, each to their own.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:02
nah, for me dance can include the techno movement of the early 90s, I'm talking that 70s thing., Disco, and hey you asked 
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:04
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Well... I tend to like a little bit of everything... Old R&B was good, but the new stuff is sh*t. There tends to be gems of every genre - For instance I don't like Electronica, but I love Daft Punk. I like some black metal and can tolerate the more intelligent, society-based rap music. Disco did suck though. I chose disco, even if Helloween did do a kick ass Abba cover  |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:05
Can I ask you if you lived through those times as a young adult? Because if you did and were in a uncivilized place like NY, Montreal, Paris or LA , you may change your mind. I can tell you for a fact, there was some fantastic remixes made that played only in the clubs , never making it on the radio. Party music but some of the electronic stuff was really deep! But the Travolta stuff, yeah, yuck! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:06
I just don't like the music. Simple. I'm not interested in these 'fantastic remixes' because I simply just don't like that kind of music. -------------
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:10
Hey it's OK , you weren't even born yet when it was already "passe" , so I can comprehend your distaste for something you haven't witnessed. I checked your ID on your PA profile  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:25
The only genre I think I'm not able to ever enjoy a single second from,
is emo. Its not really genre, just mainsteam, hardcore/punk with an emo-tional attitude that makes my stomach turn. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 01:29
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@ Evanescence shirt!!!
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 03:03
Traditional Inuit throat singing!  All the kids in my school rave about this stuff, play it on their iPods, dress up like Inuits and hang fishing equipment on their neck. I thought the rap thing was disgusting, but this . . . 
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 03:24
| Any and all post-1989 genres. |
Posted By: Trial and Error
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 03:45
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Dance, as long as that incorporates Techno and Electronica. What a pointless waste of noise.
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 04:09
I think thats nightwish  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 04:36
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Believe it or not, there even is some good country music. But it is pretty hard to find. I once heard a country ensemble (whose name I have unfortunately forgotten) with excellent wild fiddle that really went crazy from time to time. It is like Bavarian folklore music: The way it is presented in TV you can only go " yuk ", but if you have ever listened to the real thing you will learn to love its beauty. You can bowdlerize and dilute any kind of music, and that's what has been done to excess with a lot of musical styles. This is not to be confused with the melting of two musical styles into something new, like it happened with jazz-rock or, a more recent example, klezmer jazz. Purists of either style will of course always speak of bowdlerization, but if done right something new and exciting will arise, as can be seen with these two examples. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 09:45
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I can't stomach Rap at all. Possibly it's because I never really listen to lyrics but to the music, and as Rap's content seems to be based exclusively on the lyrics, I honestly feel my guts cramping up with embarrassment when I hear it. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 09:46
Oh for f**k's sake, you're right. Damn, I like them  |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 09:50
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Rock n Roll for me. Most of it is that same damn chord sequence OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Yeah, alright, it's music. But music for compositional idiots IMHO. I don't see how anyone can despise Baroque though. You may not like it, but every music lover should appreciate it because it's pretty much the roots of it all. Without Baroque we'd be a few hundred years behind nowadays. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 10:02
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1. Dance Hip hop works directly on my nerves, Dance and Death Metal come from the abyss.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 10:24
| Where´s gospel? I hate that like the plague. |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 10:29
| Didn't do this one. Each to their own I say. There's always the off button you know. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 10:33
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Factory Pop, e.g. anything with Pete Waterman or Simon Cowell's names attached.
Quote: Rock n Roll for me. Most of it is that same damn chord sequence OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Yeah, alright, it's music. But music for compositional idiots IMHO.
Yes.............. but R'N'R was designed to last no more than 150 seconds, and it was supposed to get you up and dancing, not staring at your navel as (in theory) prog might do. Besides how many prog musicians who didn't have classical training, had to learn their trade by mastering riffs, playing a band with 3 or 4 others learning their trade at the same time. I would suggest you have to go through the simpler rock'n'roll stage before you can get to a higher plane, to then have a choice to stop playing rock'n'roll..... or continue. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 12:36
| Pop, that is the genre that in the last to say 20 years has generated some of the most disgusting music ever faced the earth, Rap - no words (Not invented yet) can discribe my hatred towards this style. R & B - the same as before mentioned. turns my stomach upside down. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 12:45
Like baggy pants that are worn half way down I still haven't figured out the appeal of emo music. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 12:48
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REAGUETON! or however it's named! It's the worst piece of crap South America has ever created! From the list: Punk, most of Rap, most of Dance, Country, and crappy pop |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 12:58
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gotta go death metal on this one.... makes no sense to me at all. Don't like life.. get a new one....
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 13:01
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 13:21
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 14:46
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I don't know. There is everything within any genre that I despise. Even prog...
But the one that takes all my votes is REGUETON , crappiest mix of melody , harmony and rhythm ever created.
I am not too keen on blues and Rn R as well , all records sound the same
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:05
I may have to go death metal on your ass now after saying that micky  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:30
Me too. Don´t provoke the bad ass metal dudes  .
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:42
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Country, Drone, Pop, and R&B are my least favorites. R&B, Pop, and Country just don't do it for me. The songs just come off as boring to me. As for Drone, I really don't see how anyone can listen to this stuff for more than five minutes. I know that some shoegaze bands and some metal groups incorporate it but I'm talking about the pure minimalist stuff. I just don't go for it. ------------- 
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Posted By: burritounit
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:50
Its actually Reggaeton...and seriously its the worse of the worse...same beat in every damn song...mostly associated with Puerto Rico. Never been proud of it...  ------------- "I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..." |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:55
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^haha, whatever it's called, it sucks! hahahaha I really don't get my friends, listening to it hours and hours, while chatting in MSN, and then in parties, they're asking for the same f**king songs!!! I mean, I love to dance, but with that rythm it's IMPOSSIBLE!!! Bring me some Daft Punk, Disco, good POP, and you got a dancer   |
Posted By: burritounit
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 16:00
LOL I never get any of my friends either...I mean listening to the same sh*t(sorry no better word to describe it) all over again...and that's not all...in their cars with extreme loud volumes that really annoys...and people...if you haven't heard it avoid it at all costs  just for your ears safety....------------- "I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..." |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 16:03
^haha, so true! It damages seriously your ears! SERIOUSLY!  |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 16:13
| Man , that regaeton thing you called, realy sucks , i mean realy. i didn't know what is is it but when i saw on wiki , artists like Nina sky, Don omar, and That AWEFULL '' gasolina'' song i get the picture. real crap, one of the worse thing happenend to music industry in recent years. |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 16:24
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yeah regaeton is prettty terrible. but the only thing this side of josh groban that really makes me sick to my stomach is smooth jazz. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 16:31
| Man there are far worse things than smooth jazz, a personaly sometimes listen it. and it's ok to me |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 17:28
| Yeah I dont really see how smooth jazz is hateable. I definitely understand if people dont like it, but how does it make you sick to your stomach? |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 17:31
| We all seem to join hands against regueton here!! |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 19:28
Gonna have to vote "country" on this too. Or rather, what country has become over the past couple decades. I have the utmost respect for the old guard - Hank Williams Sr., Johnny Cash etc. (Even Dolly Parton - despite a few stylistic missteps and a theme park, she's never forgotten her bluegrass roots.) But country music nowadays is so glossy and regimented - it literally ALL SOUNDS THE SAME! Apparently the performers have to abide by all these rules regarding sound and content, or they'll be blackballed by Nashville. (Look what happened to the Dixie Chicks for speaking their minds.) Britney Spears and all the other mindless pop-tarts sound like musical geniuses compared to modern country! All those cookie-cutter "hunks in hats" can't hold a candle to the legends of the past. And Shania Twain and Faith Hill are just pop singers being marketed as country.
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: burritounit
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 19:35
Let's do so...maybe with so many people against it it'll go away...it would make me a very happy person. ------------- "I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..." |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 20:59
totally agree
 , that music is pure crap and really a pain, poor of us who have to deal with reggaeton in our countries....but wait, the only nice thing about it, is watching the girls dancing it st, i wouFrom the list i would choose either Death Metal or Rap, i simply dont like those genres ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 21:19
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I picked alternative. I do embarrasingly enjoy my share of 90's and early 00's alternative rock, but for those people who aren't in America or still in high school and/or don't still have siblings who are in high school, there's a ton of absolutely horrible alternative rock going around that everyone's listening to. They all sound the same. Nasally high non-falsetto voices (sometimes with a horrible vocorder) over slightly distorted electric guitars, with a basic drummer that never goes beyond 4/4, but admittedly compared to some of the other stuff on the radio sounds a bit better.
There's this AWFUL band that's popular now called 3OH!3, and honestly it is the most annoying thing I've ever heard. ------------- 
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 21:32
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keep in mind people that country as it is now isn't actually country at all, there used to be some emphasis on song writing
I went with Rap even though I don't actually consider it a form of music, it is more a form of throwing words out over the sound of deafening base. The fact that every white college aged male with a souped up honda civic feels the need to share his choice of "music" as he flies through the suburbs like a true badass gangbanger makes it an unaviodable form of "music" and therefore the most despised.
following close behind:
Pop
Alt
Grunge
Ambient (zzzzzzzzzzz)
Dance
World
New Age
New Wave
Punk
Death Metal (any metal really beyond some Motorhead) -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: burritounit
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 21:56
Aww yeah!!! ------------- "I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..." |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 22:24
Mildness is far more offensive to me than taking a risk and failing. Every since I started listening to jazz, that saxophone sound and much of the saxophone in popular and rock music makes me angry. While I don't hold anything personally against Mel Collins or the album Red, his playing on that album makes me cringe, and I don't know why.
. . . . . . http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/no_one_sets_out_to_be_a_smooth - Enjoy your Kenny G, I guess. Oh yeah, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxDJRTWF4XA - acid jazz is possibly as terrible as reggaeton. For some reason people associate the term with really experimental music, but it's exactly the opposite.
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 22:54
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 22:59
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My top 3 are Emo, Pop, and Rap.
I think I'll vote Pop being its losing out of my options (though I do enjoy some 80s pop )------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 05:46
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Pop used here is such an ambiguous term. Last year some of the long term members were recommending Sloan and their 30 track single CD http://www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Hear-End-Sloan/dp/B000JJRXG6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1236167279&sr=8-3 - Never Hear the End of It . Samples were enough to have me buy it and discover the whole is a joy - simply a good collection of 60's style pop tunes with a sprinkling of punk.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000JJRXG6/sr=8-3/qid=1236167279/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music&qid=1236167279&sr=8-3">
 Ditto the Lily's very 60's sounding
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000024Y5Y/sr=1-1/qid=1236167444/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music&qid=1236167444&sr=1-1">  ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: June
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 06:03
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Went with rap, but I can't stand hip-hop and death metal. What do Tokio Hotel play? Cause I really hate that too... Is that emo? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 06:30
I dislike poorly (lazily) composed music, regardless of genre or style (and there are some real turkeys to be found in all genres , even Prog  ) ------------- What? |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 06:59
Totally agreed. Would add "arranged", which includeds when to shut up in a solo ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 16:08
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Most music that is commercially released these days is absolute garbage and it's not getting any better.
You have to dig deep for the good stuff these days but it is out there if you look.
To me Rap is the worst excuse for music ever presented to the public by the fat white pant loads that run the music industry.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 17:21
So that's where my emo-cutting knife went! Oh wait... no, he can keep it (or is it a she?) ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 17:29
| I must be far too eclectic because I dig at least a few artists from all of those genres... |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 19:14
Reminds me of this evergreen classic (edited):
 ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 19:27
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I don't 'despise' any kind of music - I save such emotions for things (or people) that have done something bad to me. If I don't like a band, artist or musical genre, I don't listen to it. That simple!
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 20:02
Sometimes you are forced to listen to things. Where I work the radio is pretty loud and well... if I hear Shine by Take That once more in my lifespan, I may turn emo myself. I would walk round with my fingers in my ears, but how am I suppose to rearrange clothes racks with no hands free? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 20:11
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Pardon me if it's already been asked as this thread is on it's fourth page and I haven't been keeping up, but why does rap have such a bad rap? I voted for country only because that's a close to despise I can get when it comes to music, but the term "I don't care for" the most is really more fitting. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 20:15
| Despise may sound as a really harsh word but , I challenge anyone on this site to have a 5 hours trip with the same REGGETON compilation running again and again. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 20:17
Ignorance is bliss, eh? How about which music makes you bleed out the ears the most?I think I could find something to appreciate in each of the genres mentioned, and in a few, I already do. Sorry I have to throw this one in. Blame Crimhead for linking to it in the cartoon thread:  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 20:36
Probably because it was taken over by the gangstas.
Old skool rap was actually a lot of fun.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 21:48
And prog fans in general are against fun, so there goes old skool rap too. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 22:36
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I voted rap, but I could have easily voted country. It's not that they are the worst, it's just that that is what I am subjected to, and therefore have built up the most abhorrence for. I can't stand most stuff on the radio, it's amazing how people have been amused by the same tired formulas for years and years. Here are some questions I have been pondering for some time now: Have any of you ever heard an instrumental song on a pop radio station? On a country station? Obviously techno and other such dance music is instrumental. When is the last time you heard of a member of a pop/rap group being praised as a virtuoso? |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 23:48
| I despise the creation of another one of these genre-hating polls. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 01:32
What, do you have something better to do? We don't, and don't you dare judge us.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 01:34
It's not about genre hating per se, or I would have phrased the poll question more vehemently. I was just curious to see what genre would be the polar opposite in terms of taste to most proggers . The word "despise" is certainly less rigid than "hate" but it brought about 4 pages of interesting commentary. It is interesting that rap is viewed as non-musical and more poetic style and that country seems to be too "product" manufactured . Both are essentially true from the prog context and that is why this poll is eye (or ear ) opening! IfThere was no intent to bash anything except perhaps reggaeton !  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 01:39
There are no circumstances that can make mocking reggaeton, smooth jazz, acid jazz, pop-punk, and post-grunge wrong. And I don't care what anybody says! I do like the song What is Love, though, but I'm not sure why. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 01:58
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still going with rap but I just saw this ad and thought this would be a good place for it:
talk about ridiculous and over the top ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 08:26
There are no virtuosos in that music. that music(pop,rap) seriuosely demages health. Keep away from children!!!! How can be virtuoso oneself , for ex. he(50 cent ,) was selling drugs in the streets , and suddenly he came up with a brilliant idea to become a rap star!! what a star he is!! what does he know about music, he pick up musical education in the street? and everyone praise him '' look at him he became star out of nothing !! wow ) drug virtuoso maybe ?! and he was showing off with wounds of gunshots all over his body. no instrumental song cos there are no instrumental parts in that songs, it(pop songs) are such a cliche, |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 15:44
Best post yet. Threads like these only make people work up anger in vain. |
Posted By: the_binkster
Date Posted: March 06 2009 at 16:09
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Um... Retract that statement now; everyone can despise Screamo-Crunk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutYlxQwIxY&feature=PlayList&p=A96D8AA905B8A0E5&index=0&playnext=1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutYlxQwIxY&feature=PlayList&p=A96D8AA905B8A0E5&index=0&playnext=1 So very deeply and unashamedly sorry... |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: March 07 2009 at 22:57
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In the defence of rap music i find that the great rap groups are never in the charts just like our favourite prog bands and the ones that are really don't represent the genre well. I think think of rap as an evolution of funk and I never understood why people say they don't like rap when they like funk.Usually the bass and drums are samples of funk songs and the only real difference being rhythmic vocals.I'm sure you guys have heard of the beastie boys again not a perfect example but one good enough to show what can and what usually conists in rap music and it's not all bitches and hoes. If i cant change you mind Bob Dylan quoted it as modern poetry. I don't despise any genres but the last on my list would r&b which by the way people seem to get confused with rap. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: March 08 2009 at 08:11
LOL. This is amazing. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 12:39
| It's interesting that Rap and Country are running 1....2 on this list. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 13:34
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im surprised rap is beating country. i thought itd be the other way around. not for nothing, but i agree how no one's said a thing about funk (and there's funk to be found in prog rock as well) but so many hate rap. i think most ppl here hate commercial rap or whatever. i have a couple of friends who are into rap and they also hate whats on the radio. they play stuff that (about 40% of the time) i find enjoyable. there was something they played once (i dont remember what) where the drums were in 5/4 and the bass was in 4/4 and the rapper was rythmically alternating between 4/4, 5/4, and 6/4. was pretty cool.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 18 2009 at 13:42
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I don't despise any genre.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 14:16
I agree rap is an evolution of funk, but I like most of funk, and dislike most of rap - and it's not only because of rhytmical vocals. I mean, drum machine programmed to do downtempo beat and some slow bass samples are, imo, miles away from good funk bass line, drum groove and keyboards. The similar thing happened to disco - when Roland's 707 drum machine came up, the house was born. They are partially sharing approach and groove, but sounds, arrangements ,and in the end, the music is very different. On a sidenote, there's no need to be big differences between two genres to hate one and love another: I dislike most of reggae and punk, but new wave is one of my most favourite rock genres. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 14:36
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In my opinon, there is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING more horrendous and idiotic than modern Rap and Hip-Hop music. I'm so sick and tired of hearing these mumbling idiots hoot and holler, say 'yeah' all the f**king time, and talk about bitches, fast cars and being materialistic. Not only is it not music, it is corrupting the children who listen to it.
80s Hip-Hop was pretty cool, even I can admit it, but this modern trash is just ridiculous.
Country & Pop are just as bad, but from a completely different direction. They are both manufactured genres that the record companies came up with to sell records quickly, so they chose to make the music very simple and direct so that it would appeal to everyone, not just certain niches. Every decade or so a new gimmick is introduced in pop. In the 90s it was all about jailbait (Brittany, Cristinia, etc.). With Country it seems to me that the gimmick there has remained the same for a while, now: the singers all sing the same basic song over and over again, but change the lyrics, they dress like cowboys and talk about their significant others leaving them.
Every other genre of music is fine with me, even if I don't particularly like some it. At least most other styles of music were truly inspired, and weren't simply designed by label exects looking for quick cash.
Am I wrong, here?
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Posted By: InvisibleUnicorns
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 14:44
| Most of these genres have lots to enjoy within them. I hardly ever listen to New Age, though, so it gets my vote. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 14:53
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None except one - and I'd lie denying that I despise it - it's called "manele" and it's the most polished kind of non-music those of my kind chose to like, party on and even live with. It's played by aphonous slumdogs (of course, they become filthy rich in an instant), it's got lyrics and melodies written by imbeciles, it's degraded to the bone pseudo-folk, it's the lowest kind of musical quality I have ever heard, it's music for the trivial and stupid who don't have any kind of particular taste, and it invades my privacy constantly, from macho-boys playing it loud while speeding with their cars to parties next door, TV shows, and all other forms. So, yeah, I utterly despise it. Regarding other genres, if I don't like it, I mostly don't even pay attention to it, so there's no reason to that degree of "despising" it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 14:56
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Can't say that I hate any of these.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:00
| And how could anyone hate Funk? It's great! |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:06
Well, as was said earlier, you don't have to like the roots of a particular genre to like that particular genre.
I have never liked Dylan. So him considering anything to be modern poetry doesn't concern me.
I agree with you about r&b. I'll go into the stores looking for Fatz or something, and I have rummage through all the Kanye West crap, because the section in the store is labeled 'rap/r&b'. How could anyone confuse the two? R&B is amazing music that contributed to Rock n' Roll's inception just as much if not more than Folk and Bluegrass.
Not to mention it too has evolved over the years and still going strong with great music!
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Posted By: InvisibleUnicorns
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:08
At the very least, you seem to be unfamiliar with what constitutes a huge portion of modern hip-hop. There's a ton of great stuff you're missing that's not at all like what you mention there. I can give recommendations if you want. (EDIT: just saw your above post, it's worth noting that Kanye West is quite often unlike what you described )Also, even if you don't like it, it still is music, but that's a different discussion. |
Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:09
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Rap by far...
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:14
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Well, InvisibleUnicorns, I'm not sure why you deleted your response to me, but I will answer your question anyway . . .
For starters, I already gave credit to the good Hip-Hop that was out there, when I spoke of the corruption of young children, I was of course referring to the modern, popular gansta Rap that is played and heard all the time. Do you honestly think all of that materalistic, 'treat women like crap, steal from the next guy' talk present in populer Rap music DOESN'T affect the kids who listen to it? Ever gone to public places and heard some of the rude, disobediant things children have 'somehow' thought to say to their parents? I have.
And as for Kanye West . . . with all due respect, I think the guy is an idiot, who speaks out of turn before he thinks more often than not, and honestly isn't one to point to when defending the Hip-Hop genre, because he isn't a very good example of an intelligent rapper.
And of course, you should take everything I say with a pinch of salt. After all, this is just my opinion, and not fact.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:20
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EDIT: Ah, you were merely restating what you had already posted, I see.
Again, I gave my reasoning for believing what I do about Rap. It obviousely is not your opinion, and that is fine.
Even if I don't like something, it is still music . . . for the most part. I dislike Country a great deal, but it is still music for obvious reasons. Many people have debated whether or not Rap is truly music in the traditional sense, so I'm not the only one.
I think something like Rap belongs on it's on billboard-esque style chart. It definately has its place, but I just don't think it's the same breed as anything else that has ever come out of music.
p.s. If you honestly believe that ''It's Hard Out There For A Pimp'' deserved its 'Best song of the year' award from a few years back, then I really don't know what to tell you.
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Posted By: InvisibleUnicorns
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:22
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I deleted my response because I had a better one to make. You did give credit to some of the good hip-hop out there, but you seemed to exclude the 90s (the golden age of hip-hop) and especially the 2000s. While I'm sure children do pick up certain things they say from the music they listen to, I think that bad parenting (which is rampant nowadays, it seems) is a much bigger problem. I listen to plenty of rap that has materialistic, sometimes even misogynistic themes, but I do not convey those attitudes because I was raised to treat people with respect. As for Kanye West, yes, Kanye West the person is self-righteous prick. But Kanye West the musician combines his self-righteousness with goofiness and even some self-doubt, and that's why I referred to him. The majority of his music serves as a great counterexample to your point that most popular hip-hop these days is materialistic and misogynistic. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:29
Okay, granted. I am the first to admit that I am not very knowledgable about the more obscure Rap out there, nor do I care. My point was about the populer Hip-Hop of the times. Yes, Kanye West's music isn't as vicious or mean-natured as others, but I still don't hear the insperation or 'poetry' in it.
Then again, one could always argue that art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, but my eyes (or ears, in this case) don't see anything particularly artistic or poetic about Rap music. It's just my opinion, nothing more or less.
I'm sorry if you feel like I'm not giving Hip-Hop a fair shake, but I can't support or defend something that I honestly feel has done more good than bad for moderd society.
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Posted By: InvisibleUnicorns
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 15:33
Well, it's music in the sense that it's a deliberate arrangement of sound in space that's distinct from speaking. This is the type of discussion that probably deserves its own thread, but listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32X-ieCav-M - DJ Shadow - Building Steam with a Grain of Salt That's one of the most sublime pieces of music I've heard, and yes, it is hip-hop (which refers to the musical style, rapping is just the vocal style). I find it hard to argue that that's not music. Also try this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrgDcmqtrF8 - Kid Koala - Fender Bender You probably can't tell just from listening (I certainly can't), but this is created entirely from samples (like the DJ Shadow piece above). Moreover, Kid Koala is widely recognized as a virtuoso on the turntable. And finally, here's a sample of non-hip-hop that's also created at least in part by samples, and which I think we'd both agree is definitely music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zol2MJf6XNE - Animal Collective - My Girls And of course, PA's own Rush has used rap style vocals in one of their songs, which I would argue suggests that rapping vocals are just as legitimately musical as regular singing (albeit focusing on rhythm more than melody, but rhythm is just as much a part of music as melody). Yes, the technology behind hip-hop is different in most cases (The Roots, who feature live music as a backing, are an exception), and yes, the creative process is different, but I don't think that disqualifies it as music. As for the song you mentioned... I don't think it should've been song of the year. But it's also not representative of a great portion of modern hip-hop. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: March 19 2009 at 17:30
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I just don't see how cutting and pasting previousely existing material together is anywhere near the quality of writing and playing instruments yourself.
I'll give the songs you listed a chance, though . . .
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