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Topic: The official 2009 NFL season thread
Posted By: manofmystery
Subject: The official 2009 NFL season thread
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 00:12
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I am aware that the 09 season is no way near starting up but continuing to post in a "2008' thread felt outdated. Plus, there is still plenty going on: Cutler troubles, combines, free agents, potentially tragic fishing accidents (still unclear as to what is happening there) and a rapidly approaching draft.
I also thought it would be fitting that a Pittsburgh Steelers fan open the 09 thread since last seasons was opened by a Giants fan. -------------  Time always wins. |
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 05 2009 at 07:25
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T.O. is gone! T.O. is gone! Jerry Jones is owning up to making a mistake! There's a snow cone stand in Hell this morning! I'll be able to watch my Cowboys next fall without having to see T.O.'s ugly mug in a Dallas jersey! Yes! ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 08 2009 at 09:20
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Seeing T.O. sign with the Bills yesterday brought to mind the old Kinks song "Who'll be the next in line..." Good luck, Buffalo. Get your popcorn ready! ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 08 2009 at 11:52
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I think Tony Romo will be more exposed this year as the most overrated player in the league. I'm not saying he is bad, just that there is no way he lives up to the constant love rained down on him in the media. The Cowboys aren't going anywhere till Jerry Jones stops playing puppet master and lets an actual head coach lead the team. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 22:25
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My thoughts on the Jay Cutler situation in Denver:
1. Stop whining Jay, ain't nobody in this league untradeable (ok, there may be 2 but they have multiple rings)
2. Matt Cassel better than Jay Cutler? Come on Broncos, Cutler he maybe sleepy looking and have the
 but he also has a canon.3. Jay Cutler looks just like the kid from Two and a Half Men:
  Increase your appeal to the opposite sex today with new Prog Archives Fantasy Baseball! (link to info in sig) ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 23:38
Hope they got him really cheap.
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Chicapah wrote:Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 19:20
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Any Kansas State fans that watched Josh Freeman's career? Bucs apparently are the only team to "reach" in the 1st round today.. we've had terrible luck with 1st round QB draft picks..
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 22:33
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After the Giants mediocre season/miracle run to their Super Bowl victory, followed by their 2008 season where they were the best, (or at least top 2) team in the NFL then terrible loss to the Eagles... my expectations are high. I have not been used to expecting the Giants to be good...and I really hope they don't let me down |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 00:35
| They seem solid J, they're young a team and I expect great things from them for many years to come.. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 00:38
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Indeed. They're beastly defense should be more or less the same, plus we're getting Osi back. Assuming he's 100%. The O-line is still intact which will keep the pounding run game going, and Eli will hopefully continue his consistency he showed last year. |
Posted By: LandofLein
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 18:26
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Well I'm officially boycotting football until Brian Dawkins is back on the Eagles or until his EAGLES jersey is retired or until he gets inducted into the hall of fame as an EAGLE!!!!!!
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: May 11 2009 at 18:29
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I couldn't believe that. It's hard to think of a defensive player in today's game that is as much of their team's identity as Dawkins was for Philadelphia. Ray Lewis is probably the only guy who defines their team like Dawkins did.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: May 14 2009 at 11:33
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Well The Jets have gain Mark Sanchez, will see...
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 11:38
| Kornheiser is leaving MNF due to his fear of flying. Take guts to leave a sweet gig like that. MNF is entering it's 40th season this Sept. Seems like it was yesterday when Cosell was on it. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 12:01
| Unfortunately MNF hasn't been the icon it once was for some time, sad as that is to say. |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 22:12
It seems that Kornheiser suffered from the same malady as John Madden. A fear of flying. Too bad he couldn't find a way around it like Madden did. No matter. Jon Gruden will be taking his place and as a Raider fan,I am quite interested in seeing how he does. I have always had a soft spot for Ol' Chucky.
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 17:41
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I am so psyched that Kornheiser is leaving. He's the worst announcer I've ever heard in any sport, and his constant, pathetic attempts at humor often had me muting the games. Nice to see somebody who may be interested in actually talking about the football being played and adding some head-coaching insight taking the booth.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 18:09
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I've heard that Kornheiser was fired, but announced that he was leaving. Come on, the guy was horrible! He openly admits to hardly watching any football. He was on MNF WAY too long. E ------------- 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 12:24
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 17:26
If only we could get rid of these idiotic Thursday night games. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 19:09
I was told at one time there would never be a NFL game on Friday nights due to that they didn't want to kill High School Football. Thursday as well as Sunday and Monday nights are all about getting more money. Nothing more.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 12:05
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NEWS FLASH OF THE CENTURY! Supposedly, Brett Favre is considering coming out of retirement and playing again in the NFL I don't know about all of you but I am shocked! Would've never seen this coming.... |
Posted By: LandofLein
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 18:20
 Who needs an offensive line when you have MIGHTY PUTTY!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 21:13
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Hey now, Billy Mays is the man! He could sell you your own death, and you'd buy 2! In fact I should by the Rams, god knows I can do better then everyone else has. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 17:59
PS. He's been on the Bucs on my Madden game every year I've bought it!
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 18:03
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Raiders beat Dallas 31 to 10. Hmmm what does it mean. At this point the Raiders look like they have a decent 3rd string QB, Darren McFadden is healthy (and fast) and the defense still needs to get better agaist the run and better non blitz pash rush and the Cowboys 2s and 3s not very good.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 18:10
| Wait, the new Madden is out today isn't it?? |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 18:41
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Yes, I'm actually impressed with it. The least few EA put out were....well just that. Sh*t for the sake of continuing madden. This one really feels realistic. And the stats are much more varied....so you can't be the Lions and beats the Pats now easily. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 18:55
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Ok, just got back from the store I have it now.. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 19:08
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Have the Rams-Jets pre season game on (I need some background noise) Just realized Shonn Greene (main guy at Iowa) and Mark Sanchez (main guy at USC) are both on the Jets. That team is made of Penn State killers!!!   Also, sad to see defensive coordinator of the G-Men Steve Spagnuolo leave....but now he's coaching the Rams (my # 2 team). Hopefully he can help turn them around. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 19:35
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Chiefs play their first one tomorrow against the Houston Texans. It'll be interesting to see how Cassell does without the receivers he had in New England. News from training camp indicates our receivers have a case of the droppsies. Pioli and Haley have always shown they have faith in Cassell by signing him to a long term contract, but have very little patience for incompentance. Apparently, our starting long snapper wasn't paying attention and didn't make it on to the field for a last second field goal drill and was cut a few days later. It will be a process for this team, but glad to see Carl Peterson out as GM. E -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 19:43
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Yeah, the chiefs have quite some work. And always been a fan of LJ. Wonder how he'll do this season |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 06:39
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They say that his attitude and work ethic have been above and beyond seasons past. Seems he's happy with the new regime and no longer wants to leave. He was pretty unhappy with the Peterson, Vermeil and Edwards. Now, we'll see if it translates to better performances. He's been unwilling to block (effectively) in passing situations, but has shown in training camp that he's improved dramatically. E -------------
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 07:58
I get to see the Bucs tonight for the first time, go Leftwich 
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 08:20
Can't wait to see my Steelers kicks the ... of all the teams!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 10:40
Well that's good to hear. That's one thing I like about my Giants. They all, appear, to be hard workers dedicated to the game. If not they'll just cut you Anyway, all these Giants fans are biting their nails about losing Plaxico. The O-Line, D-Line, QB, Runningbacks, and defense is still intact. I hope this new guy they drafted can fill Burress' role. I've not heard of Hakeen Nicks...but supposedly he's a big guy. |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 12:00
Actually I am confident that the Raiders have 7 wins within their reach this year.Weak division, Shanahan is gone and Denver looks absolutely directionless. Norv Turner is coaching an aging Chargers club and Kansas City without Gonzalez.....hell, we may even win this division.
Not only that, but the Raiders attitude wise is getting better with each day. With Cable in charge, the culture of me me me seems to be thankfully slipping away from this overwise dysfunctional franchise. Hell, Al Davis has been unusually quiet as well, which is a very good thing....
Ah... the beginning of a new year breeds hope!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 13:40
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Yeah, that's the funny thing about the AFC West. The last few years it seems like those teams were trying NOT to win it. Except for the random years of Chargers goodness, no one ever was that good. It's like yay! We beat the...Broncos, Raiders and Chiefs........ But yeah, the Broncos are so far from glory now it's almost sad. I'd like to see the Raiders finally break their dysfunction and have a good year. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 19:03
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okies, here goes a Brooks-less Buccaneers team.. |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 19:59
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TAMPA TWO FTW
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 20:27
heh.. Tampa is now a 3-4 no more two, but I get the feeling you know that 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 21:01
Eh Tampa 2 is for sissies..... Small athletic D-line? I think not. Go smash em in the mouth! Wait is tampa reall a 3-4 now? What is with all these teams switching to it? 4-3 FTW! |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 21:40
Yeah, who wants a 3-4 anyway? Not like you can win any Super Bowl's with those
Get with the times man; it's all about LBs, not those tubs of lard up front
By the way, about the name "Tampa Two":
“My philosophy is really out of the 1975 Pittsburgh Steelers playbook,” said Tony Dungy during media interviews while at Super Bowl XLI. “That is why I have to laugh when I hear 'Tampa 2'. Chuck Noll and Bud Carson — that is where it came from, I changed very little.”
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 22:28
Yeah I know...I read that on Wiki And I guess there's no real difference in effectiveness between 4-3 and 3-4 but 4-3 makes so much more sense to me. Besides your Steelers D-line are tubs of lard. The Giants' is quite athletic, AND big. In a 3-4 they just take up space, which is good for letting the LB's attack...but the 4-3 is so much more disruptive. Look at 2007, NO ONE could stop the patriots (and I dont mean outscoring...actually stopping them). There is just no way to cover all those receivers, and get pressure on Brady or vice versa...he could sit back and throw short passes and out of 5 recievers one is bound to be open. But with the Giants amazing D-Line they could go into the Dime and cover all those receivers yet still bring pressure with only 4. When you do throw in an LB blitz with such a D-line..well it was devestating. Maybe I need to get with the times...but I like my defense to be built on the D-Line. EDIT: OR you could go with the Ravens original 4-3 style. 2 REALLY huge D-Tackles that hog most of the line so the DE's have cleaner shots at the QB and of course that frees up the LB's. THAT'S how I would run my team. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 23:49
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Well watching the game, the bucs were in a 4-3 most of the day, corners were more in press coverage and the moved Jermaine Phillips to the the 4th Linebacker in certain situations, so not a true 3-4 yet.. They don't have the size up front or the LB's to be like most 3-4's ...
Feel a little bit better about the upcoming season, might get to a game or two this season.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 23:54
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Nah, and like I said no real "better" defense, I just prefer the 4-3 And to be fair the 70's Steelers, 80's Bears, 2000 Ravens, and 2007 Giants (which shut down the greatest offense in NFL history) ALL 4-3  I'm curious about Vince Young. Anyone know what his status is for this season? I figured he would struggle adjusting to the NFL....but damn! Gotta feel for the guy a little bit, he went from being on top of the WORLD in college, single handily winning one of the greatest title games ever, a true god in Texas...and REALLY struggled in the pros, not just physically but mentally. His stats were bad, and he got replaced by old timer Kerry Collins. Not to mention the team went on perfectly fine without Young... Talk about a rough start. OH! And your Bucs should at least have a good running game. You guys snagged Derrick Ward from the G-men |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 16 2009 at 02:16
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Underwhelmed by the Chiefs play tonight, but I wasn't expecting much. Rained here in Kansas City, which made for sloppy play on the field. Defense didn't look too bad, but we still have ways to go. As for Cassell, he threw some good balls, with some being dropped by our receivers. TE dropped a 3rd down conversion that Gonzales would've caught. We're going to miss Tony, I'm afraid. Still, Cassell looked a hell of a lot better than Orton. E -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 16 2009 at 02:35
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I was pleased with the 23-0 win against the Skins in the Ravens first pre-season game.With Rex Ryan,Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard leaving there are questions if our defense will be as good as before,and I think the D did a great job. -------------  |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 16 2009 at 02:59
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^^^ on my Madden, the Bucs always have Reed and Ray Lewis
Love Reed as much as I love Dawkins, they both are welcome to come to Tampa.
Yeah I feel for him.. The look in his eye reminds me of Randall Cunningham at times. When you saw that look you just knew the Eagles were going to lose.
And I'm very happy with RB Ward
Every falling star I see btw I'm wising for a WR or two. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 16 2009 at 11:45
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Well now people don't get TOO excited/down. It is only pre season. It's good to test out draft picks/backups but really you never can even tell how hard anyone is going. And yes, Ward was a beast. Well actually he spent like 3 years on the team just injured, but when he finally was used...damn! Quick and strong. Twas a good RB. Seems to have a bit of trouble staying healthy though. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 21:52
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It is only pre season...but I think the Giants defense is going to be even more beastly! They literally have 8 linemen, all great pass rushers. They can rotate them/stick them anywhere. Not to mention their crazy, Jim Johnson-esque blitzes. Crazy |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 11:29
| So much for Favre staying retired. Yeesh. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 12:13
Much like Herpes, when you think it's gone there it is again. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 13:16
| You're kidding right? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 13:19
ESPN.com front page. Pending a physical, he's signing with the Vikes. $10-$12m. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 13:23
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 13:48
| He should go to the WWE. They have a way of bringing guys back that are long past their prime. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 14:12
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My Steelers won their first pres season game, i'm happy with that.
They are serious contenders to win again the SP ------------- |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 14:14
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just popped in to say.... STEELERS!
I was sort of watching the game on thursday, but I was really too drunk to pay attention, but from what I saw things are looking good. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 14:16
Did anyone notice that the Lions have won 7 games in a row? Yeah, so they were all pre-season games. Want to make something of it?   -------------
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 15:19
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Friggin Brett Favre............. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9848912/Favre-has-deal-with-Vikings,-in-pads-at-practice?GT1=39002 - http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9848912/Favre-has-deal-with-Vikings,-in-pads-at-practice?GT1=39002
Instead of trying to further develop a young QB a team signs an aging gunslinger who throws more picks than anyone.
What is wrong with these teams(Jets & Vikes)?I just don't understand the thought process there. ------------- |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 18 2009 at 16:58
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So......id ANYONE surprised? (And if you were say HELL NO! Because you're a fool) WOW! Brett came back. Sounds like he just wanted to avoid training camp. OH MY GOD! I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!!!! Seriously, this guy is destroying his rep. He was almost universally thought of as, "One of the greatest QBs ever" Now he's on the greatest QB's ever....but he is also a prima donna, cry baby and honestly....a bit of a tool. And if he starts off hot and crashes like last season, he will also be thought of as an old guy that didn't quite know it was time to call it quits |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 16:35
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Even better! Apparently Favre is a little confused at the outrage in Green Bay and said, "A TRUE packer fan would understand" WOW! I can totally see why he's upset. I mean he only went to a hated rival for the sole reason of sticking it to the Packers, (he wont say it but cmon....). IF the packers end up losing the division to the Vikings and Favre is a large reason for it...well I'd be willing to take those 16 years and say F*CK YOU Glad my team is not in such a mess |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 16:52
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Love this...a timeline of Favre's bullsh*t.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9956006/The-world-according-to-Favre - http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9956006/The-world-according-to-Favre
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 19:38
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MMmmmm wonderful. Anyway, we shall see.... the Vikings have been on the verge...they got a tough defense (and their D-Line is not right!) not to mention that Massive O-line (football is built around the lines after all) and Adrian Peterson. Their receivers are not great, but well enough... All the needed was a QB. Question is will Brett hold up? Also, forget that rocket arm Jay Cutler is now on the bears. They also have a tough D and run game...... NFC North might be kinda tough this season |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 19:43
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The guy said in regards to any Packer fans being critical of him now, "If you are a true Packer fan, you would understand." The guy is a US Grade A Rectum Head. He's doing this just to stick to to Ted Thompson and the Packers. Plain and simple. Their game at Lambeau Field wild most certainly be televised. I REALLY want to watch that. E -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 19:57
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Feeling a LITTLE better about the Giants now. They drafted 2 big receivers, (one is 6'6" I believe) and that one in fact has supposedly been impressive. This is only training camp/pre season but still, hopefully they will step up. I was saying that missing Plax would not be a big deal....but deep down I know with him gone the offense is severely lacking. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:02
It's a brilliant move on the Vikings part. First off, they take a relatively unexcited public to the brink of ticket buying frenzy instantly....trust me, the town went from "meh" to being psyched overnight. They sold a sh*tload of tickets. If he does well, they also just made the ultimate play in their ploy to get a new publicly funded stadium in Mpls. It was unlikely before, and Wilf's threats to move the team were just blown off by the public. Now, he may have made huge strides in shaking down the public coffers, in acquiring that corporate welfare he so desires. Besides all that, the guy wants to play for this team, which he knows better than anyone. If he stays healthy he could be successful here. So how could the Vikings say no? They have a lot to gain, not that much to lose. If Farve crashes, they've only postponed their "rebuilding" one year. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:25
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No doubt it's a good move for them . We all know the attention it will draw, (and with that ticket/jersey/merchandise sales) but I'm thinking what Jody, and others are getting at is why they would take him knowing he now has a tendency to fade down the road, and of course have to deal with these retiring/not retiring and training camp drama. But as you said, if he flops well...no big deal. Like I mentioned, the Vikings are a TOUGH team. I they got a good QB in place some things could really happen. Look at Vick. Why on Earth would a team take a QB who was already not a good passer, has been out of the sport for 2 years (and most of that time in Prison) ???? No risk, good reward. (Sure you have to deal with the media and some fan flak, but IF Vick does good we know that'll be quieted) |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:26
| Favre with RB Peterson is a deadly combination. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:29
Of course those are the big names......the ones that put butts in the seats but we all know it is won/lost with those fat guys. The Vikings have a huge O-Line and are great blockers. There D-Line should be illegal. Not to mention they have some tough defense behind it... Throw in AP, and now Favre. Like I said, if he can stay solid through the whole year they could be quite a threat |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:36
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Yeah, and even if he does fade, let's assume he does great for 3/4 of the season and gets hurt. By that time, the public is on board and will be completely jazzed to get behind the back-up QB. They get the good benefits of morale whether Favre makes the post season or not. And actually, I kinda doubt he will. He's only a bit younger than I am, so I know what 40s do to a body, athlete or not. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:42
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Who's your back up though? Tavaris Jackson? Although I actually kind of like him...he seemed to be improving, needs more time though, most scramblers have a tough time adjusting. And Favre's toughness might be a problem. If he gets a major injury...then yeah he's done but if he just has some soreness/pain he'll play through it. THAT is when things go bad. With the Jets: First 12 games 20 TDs, 14 INT. Not bad Last 4 only 2 TD's and 8 INT's. If he gets hurt and plays through it like he always does....monumental collapse ensues |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:44
But Vick is something McNabb isn't,a great scrambling QB.That justs adds another dimension to their offense.Remember,the guy is the only QB to ever rush for over 1,000 yards in a season. ------------- |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:47
Oh I was just saying, I think its comparable to Favre (if not more) on the WTF? Factor. Damn wildcat.... AND on that note, I kind of hope that fad dies out. It was explosive for one game. It was decent for the next. Since then it has not worked for any team, and not really for the Phins either. The NFL is too fast, smart, and just too good to fall for such trickery. I hope the wildcat is stopped painfully this year so we can forget about it... Unless you got a beastly O-Line and an honest to go dual threat QB/RB. And if that was the case you'd have no need. The wildcat should be a once in a blue moon wrinkle play for bad teams... |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:21
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The Vikings have sold 4000 season tickets in the last 48 hours. Crazy eh?.......like a fox.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:30
Really is a shame for them. I mean those last 4 games are going to be just awful On other news, it's finally over. The Plaxico drama. He has been sentenced to 2 years in prison. Can't say I'm that upset. He may have been a beast, but I never liked him. ALWAYS skipping practice, seemed he was getting fined for something all the time, really not an in ideal football player (not to mention his constant injuries) but guess I couldn't complain. He produced. I have faith in the Giants draft picks (they ALWAYS turn out to be winners) so to Plaxico I say the same thing I did about Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey. GOOD RIDDANCE! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:33
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rubbing hands in glee for this next season..... the NFL has taken over PA's slot as the best soap opera on the market.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:41
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Nothing will top the Raiders....but does anyone think the Bronco's are now in second for "most dysfunctional team" |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:43
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:48
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Well, the Broncos SHOULD be good..yet they get worse every year. There was the whole giving away Jay Cutler thing, now there #1 receiver is voicing his....displeasure. I say they're quickly climbing the dysfunction ladder. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:49
with the Vikings just waiting in the wings.... somewhere it got lost it is a team game... I hope that turns into the glorious mess it could.. and probably will. He isn't what he was 10 years ago... and he really wasn't even all that when he was. hahahha.. .this fit.. perfectly... great arm.... sh*t for brains... Tarkenton did say it best... he has never seen such a supposed 'great' quarterback make so MANY stupid decisions on the field.... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000209/ - Ebby Calvin LaLoosh : How come you don't like me? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000126/ - Crash Davis : Because you don't respect yourself, which is your problem. But you don't respect the game, and that's my problem. You got a gift. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000209/ - Ebby Calvin LaLoosh : I got a what? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000126/ - Crash Davis : You got a gift. When you were a baby, the Gods reached down and turned your right arm into a thunderbolt. You got a Hall-of-Fame arm, but you're pissing it away. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000209/ - Ebby Calvin LaLoosh : I ain't pissing nothing away. I got a Porsche already; a 911 with a quadrophonic Blaupunkt. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 18:53
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It all depends on that old shoulder of his...... If history repeats itself, again, the Vikings dysfunction level will shoot through the roof those last 4 games I'm also hopeful for my #2 team the Rams. They added some good people this year, as well as twisted defensive genius Steve Spagnuolo. Of course he has a much harder time....he may have been a defensive mastermind with the Giants but it is a bit easier when you have Strahan, Tuck, Umenyiora, Kiwanuka, and Antonio Pierce on your defense.... |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:00
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Roethlisberger hurt his ankle today in the last practice of training camp.No word as to how bad it is or how much time(if any) he might miss.
I don't like seeing any player injured,but being a Raven maniac and major Steelers hater I couldn't help but be a little happy with the news. ------------- |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:15
Well when they were wining they were "eccentric" and Al Davis was a "maverick" now when they are down they are "dysfunctional" and Al has alzheimer's. Same team, same owner just different results. I wouldn't want them any other way.
However was really bummed that Chaz Schilens has a broken foot and will be out 4-6 weeks. He was really getting to have good chemistry with Russell. He was the real reason they didn't draft Michael Crabtree.
 Actually I think of the New Orleans Saints and the Detroit Lions as the real dysfunctional teams. They have both been around a long time and never have been to Super Bowl. -------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:15
Hope that being little time...
and i'm NOT any happy at all.... (Raven Hater write this)------------- |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:19
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That's really not fair to the Saints to group them with the Lions. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:40
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What is up with the Saints? They have that crazy offense, and some big names on the other side. But we know big names do not always equate to success. And Jody, I woudn't get your hopes to high, sounds like a minor injury. Besides big ben is......well, big. He plays through ALOT of injuries. Funny, I used to not like him at all, (don't know why) but I've grown to admire him the last few years. Anyway, Garion the Lions and Saints may have been bad, just like the chiefs, the rams but they are not dysfunctional, just bad. I think of dysfunctional as drama, constantly in a state of mess and MAINLY a team that should be good, but just isn't. Biggest examples being the Raiders, Broncos and Bengals. Especially when it gets real bad, just NOTHING seems to go right. It can be broken though....I thought of the giants as VERY dysfunctional. All it took was the shedding of 2 pains in the ass. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:40
So, you can get more time for shooting yourself accidentally that methodically torturing and killing pups. Ok, good to know. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:46
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Seriously, can we keep that out of here? There is a Vick thread.... Although I guess it's pointless, it'll make its way into convo regardless......that ass Vick. Dont even want to think of him yet he's gunna be the #1 (maybe 2) talk this season.... And for the record, Plaxico's trouble has nothing to do with shooting himself of course....it was for not having his gun registered with the state of NY (and his FL one was expired anyway). And we're lucky he hit himself....if he accidentlly got an innocent person with that he'd be in more trouble (which makes ALOT of sense) Kinda sad, the guy FINALLY proved himself to everyone, grabbed the super bowl winning touchdown and got a massive contract...just for this. And to think if he had that f*cking gun REGISTERED he wouldn't be in trouble. That's all he had to do.... He'd be in pain....but not in jail |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:48
He may have a rocket arm but he'll be crying and demanding a trade by midseason, maybe he'll get it in his head that the coach doesn't like him as much as the other guys and that when the rest of the team passes notes in the lockroom he's never included or other such grade school nonsense.
Don't really care for the Vikings but they are clearly light years ahead of the other teams in their divison now that they've filled the QB position. With that O-line Favre will see very limited abuse so I don't see him breaking down like last year.
The Packers took a few huge steps backward last year and I don't see them being much more than a .500 team. Now, in the pitiful NFC that might be good enough for a playoff birth but I'd be surprised. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 20 2009 at 19:52
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You never know man...the Jets have a VERY good O-line. And he's a year older, so it won't take much abuse to get to him. But yes, Vikings SHOULD be #1 in the North. Don't count out the Bears. Cutler may be a whiny ass....but he's good, and the bears are a good team. As for the Packers...the Offense is in fine shape...they need to get that D fixed, and with the transition to a 3-4 may be another off year |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 11:48
But that is the point the Raiders are "dysfucntional" whoever plays for them, coaches for them and whether or not they win or lose. I have been following this team since 1968 and there is no difference now and then except everything now is dragged out it the press. In other words this is who they are. When they won in the 60s-70s and 80s they had crazy ass players that would make some of today's players look like boy scouts. It was just all hushed up back then. Right now Al made some very bad decisions on his coaches. Before he had John Madden for ten years and Tom Flores for about 8. Those 18 years were solid with I think only one losing season. So no one really talked about the fact that you had a wide receiver go to prison l for rape twice or other guys arrested for assault in bars or whatever and guys playing with hangovers and taking all sorts of pills.
The Raiders are down now but I can guarantee you they will get better and when they do they will still operate in much the same way.
But if a professional team objective is to win and not just make money than the Lions and Saints are the ones that are dysfunctional as they have rarely made the playoffs and never have even sniffed at the conference championship much less the Super Bowl. I would put the LA Clippers from the NBA in the same category. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:40
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As I said in my personal opinion I see dysfunctional as NOT so much about failure....I do not see the Browns, Lions, or Chiefs as such. They just are bad....The Broncos, Bengals, Jets last year and Raiders are so. Well whatever, I HOPE the Raiders get better. They have no excuse to be THIS bad. Russell seems to be developing nicely, you guys have McFadden Michael Bush AND Justin Fargas. I don't know any of the receivers...they have all been traded away but you got/acquired some good O-Linemen and have quite a few weapons on defense, including maybe one of the best cornerbacks in the game. I'm not saying Super Bowl but if the Raiders have another 2-5 win season...well it just shouldn't |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 13:54
here's your excuse:
 The Al Davis Experience presented by MoM Productions:
"Throw deep! Throw deep! Throw deep!" - Al
"Sir, we're on their 1 yard line" - Oak Coach (name doesn't really matter, has no real say in anything)
"Why you dirty little son of a b*tch, you dare question me! Throw deep and that's an order! You don't want to end up like the last few guys do you. Now, where did I put my old lady glasses." - Al
Even though I've always disliked the Raiders, I do feel for their sane fans. Too bad you can't fire an owner. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 14:39
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Heh...yeah I don't know if I believe in the "The Raiders will be bad until Al Davis dies" theory. But maybe he's fallen out of touch. Like I said, they SHOULD be good...maybe his eye for talent isn't what it used to be, or he can't hold a team together anymore. Usually when you have a team of talent that can't play well (the giants up to 2007) being a good example I DO think it often falls on the coach. Who in this case is also Al Davis He also has a fascination with "flash" and wow factor over solid football players like McFadden and that receiver they took who was not Michael Crabtree but ran a 4.3 Random note, I always like to follow my fellow Penn Staters in the NFL (granted usually doesn't go so hot....) but Aaron Maybin signed a 5 year/$25 million deal with the Bills and Derrick Williams aka GOD has signed with the Lions....... |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 15:50
Well, flat out, you are wrong. Take it from someone who watched nearly every game he played. Favre was a treat to watch. He won so many games for Green Bay with his innovative plays. The guy has the best pocket presence I have ever seen. The line would be collapsing all around him, and while most Qbs would be running for their lives, Favre would step a couple paces where the defense wasn't and deliver a strike...usually. Favre is a winner and while he may have thrown alot of ints..you have to be great to have an opportunity to throw that many, and lets not forget he has thrown the ball lots more than anyone else.
I will admit he han't been very good in playoffs since his mentor and guide Mike Holmgren had left Green Bay, but it isn't stupidity as it is more emotions than anything. I would say the coaching in Green bay has been sub par since the Holmgren days and the only thing keeping it afloat was Bret Favre.
Now Favre is older and if you look into the last 4-6 games of his last 5 seasons, you'll see a very good qb who gets tired toward the end and the production and numbers drop off dramatically , while the ints spike up. Perhaps he is too old to take Minnesota to the promiseland, but he is infinitely better than the ones they had to choose from, and, at least for 10 games, Minnesota should be a force to reckon with. Maybe there is a method to Favre's madness, when he chose to miss half the preseason. Maybe he'll be fresher towards the end of the year. Perhaps being safely behind footballs's best offensive line and having the best RB in the game will help Favre stay healthier and fresher for the whole season.
Minnesota may have bought themselves a trip to the superbowl. Nothing dysfunctional about that. Especially since the NFC is so blah this year.
As far as Tarkenton. He's a schmuck. He never won any Superbowl and he was always quick to blame his teammates when they lost. He's a loser. Look how many Hall of fame talent came from those teams he played on compared to Favre. Favre had Reggie White and thats about it. Tarkenton's last season on Minnesota was filled with errors as he plagued his team with 32 INTs(over 6%). HE was the dumbf**k.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 17:14
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In the 80s, the Raiders were my #2 team.. My best friend's dad was from Oakland, so we used to watch the Bucs at my house at 1pm and go to his house and watch the Raiders at 4pm.. I think as Al has gotten older he just isn't as sharp as he used to be. Before every game he was always down on the field talking the other teams players he was interested in, you don't see that from him much anymore.. Personally I'll miss Al when he's gone. Somewhere along the line, seems the Eagles jumped into the #2 spot for me. Maybe its because I lived in the area for 5 years in the 90s, and while I was there that community embraced me being a Buc fan, there seemed to be a bit of kindred spirit thing, it's really hard to explain.. but I never got the reaction I was so used to getting while I was in the service.. (heh, guess this is a bit of a rant Tarkenton is sounding like a clown and I'm sorry, I think Favre with a significant running game could run the NFC, I'll have to wait to 11pm to see the MIN game tonight, but it will be interesting. I'll be watching the defense more than anything.
Guess I should disclaimer the NFC running comment, albeit the smash mouth teams like NYG, CAR and I suspect SF (Singletary will do wonders I think), CHI..
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 19:28
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The team should sit Favre for 4-6 games so this way Tavaris Jackson can be the "starter" and "have a chance" And then after 4 - 6 games (unless Jackson REALLY turns out great) bench him and put him Favre. Even if he can make it only 12 games...it'll be late enough to finish the season and through the playoffs!!!! And the team can look good for making Brett wait and giving Jackson a "chance" OK, I'm being a goof....but still Seriously, if Favre can hold up the Vikings will be tough. They got a messed up good defense, and a HUGE O-line and of course Peterson. Favre is a great fit, as long as he holds up. In fact maybe handing the ball off more (Sorry Brett but you NEED to let AP run) will keep Favre going better. And I just read Brandon Jacobs is slated to have more carries this year. I hope so! I love that guy. Plankowner talk about smashmouth! 6'4" and 265 lbs of pure beast. As long as those Giants receivers step up.....they will be a tougher team then ever. They added MORE pass rushers on defense! |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 19:32
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The Al Davis experience is much more than throw deep. This guy happens to been of the major players in what you see now in modern professional football. In the 60's working with Sid Gilman Al Davis and other AFL coaches re-invented or revolutionized the passing game in football utilizing such unknown things as throwing to your backs, utilizing the flanker in the slot and throwing to the tight end. Yeah it sounds simple now but it was unheard of in the NFL at the time. One of his most inventive plays was a running play, the power sweep, where he used pulling guards. He also was a prime force in forcing a merger with the NFL as commissioner of the AFL by going head to head for players.
The biggest problem Al has is not that he is stupid, senile or behind the times. It is at age 80+ he cannot devote the time to things he always did. He also cannot seem to be able to delegate this off to someone he trusts. That is his fault and the team has suffered. It also didn't help with the coaching hires he made but they are not the only franchise to have had a bad run with coaches. While a couple of busts in the draft Phillip Buchanan and Michael Huff he has done well with Asmougha, McFadden, Russell and Miller. I think Tom Cable is the coach he has been looking for and will being stability to a young team. I am not saying the are instant contenders but they will play a lot better than in the last 5 years. -------------
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