Do you like Nevermind
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Topic: Do you like Nevermind
Posted By: Pnoom!
Subject: Do you like Nevermind
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 20:49

Another historical masterpiece that's often reviled in the prog community. I love it. Definitely does live up to its legacy.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 20:52
I think this album killed popular music. Everything it represents and everything it spawned is indescribably terrible. Grunge? No thanks; I'll take real music.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 20:54
Taking it for what it is, it's a fairly enjoyable album from what I remember. Haven't heard it in ages though so my 2 cents are really worthless now..
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:05
I did think your response was a bit harsh Hughes, but maybe I missed some other thread where Walter was bashing some modern music. If that was the case, then why wasn't I there?
Anyway, in response to the topic, I really don't enjoy Nevermind. The first time I listened to it was when a friend of mine was introducing me to music. I must have played that album a million times, to the point where now I can't listen to it all. Now when I hear a song from Nevermind I'm sure to skip it. I really don't see much substance in it. Give me "Dirt" by AiC any day.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:13
I'm tired of it. Bored. MTV'd out. Nirvana and RHCP....I am so over them. It had it's time. I liked it but I out grew it. I think that Cobain is overrated as well. I can't see how some think that he is one of the top 100 guitarists of all time as well.
nuff said from me.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:22
Not something I would listen to now, I think - for me, Nirvana didn't stand the test of time as well as some of their Seattle contemporaries, particularly Alice in Chains. But at the time it was a breath of fresh air from the absolute putridity I was hearing from popular (FM radio type) music in the late 80s. I personally think it helped give birth to a resurgence of good rock music in the 1990s, you had Lollapalooza and "alternative rock" stations that played stuff that was actually listenable - I can distinctly remember thinking in say 1989 that I would be stuck listening to 70s music for the rest of my life, but seeing the Teen Spirit video for the first time changed that view. It also helped me establish my own "music identity" and made me a more active fan of music, if that makes sense. So, important for me personally, and a decent album to boot, in my opinion.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:24
As for the album, well I guess I like it, if not a great deal though. It has to some okay songs, but nothing about it made it special enough to me to have bothered listening to it again since I last heard it years ago.
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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:24
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
I think this album killed popular music. Everything it represents and everything it spawned is indescribably terrible. Grunge? No thanks; I'll take real music.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:27
post-89 silliness?
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:29
At one time I got into it. Not so much anymore.
From the period I much prefer the narcotic sound of prime Smashing Pumpkins. I miss Darcy in the black leather
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:38
I'm not much of a fan, but the cover has always made me extremely uncomfortable so maybe I am just biased against baby wang...
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:50
For the people in this thread have yet to look up music in the dictionary, grunge
is real music. Just thought I'd let you know before you make a habit stating such blatantly obvious falsehoods.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 21:54
Henry Plainview wrote:
I'm not much of a fan, but the cover has always made me extremely uncomfortable so maybe I am just biased against baby wang... |
Good lord, the last two words of your post made me literally lol. It's one of those posts that should not be funny at all, but it's somehow funny.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 22:07
Nirvana's allright better than every hair metal band in existence at least
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 22:17
Pnoom! wrote:
For the people in this thread have yet to look up music in the dictionary, grunge
is real music. Just thought I'd let you know before you make a habit stating such blatantly obvious falsehoods.
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Good lord, your post made me literally lol.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 22:23
I'm glad you find facts funny.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 22:33
Nirvana for music-related!
I think it's great that people still fall for Walter every time.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 22:33
Hey, I'll step out on a limb here.
Nevermind is one of the great rock albums ever made. Rid your minds of all the media crap that has been spoken regarding this album. Rid your mind of Smells Like etc.
Just listen to one of rock's great triptychs:
In Bloom
Come As You Are
Breed
This is pure emotional rock, of the kind that had been missing in that time. This is an album that destroyed the business-as-usual of the industry as surely as Meet The Beatles or London Calling. This a band careening on some edge not many of us would willingly visit, lest we end up like Kurt.
Take your time, hurry up.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 23:03
There are a lot of really good songs on this album: Breed, Lithium, Territorial Pissings, Polly and In Bloom which I believe was influenced by King Crimson.
I really like a lot of the songs, but I have always found Curt's voice and personality to be annoying, also, he should not be using a flanger on his guitar.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 23:07
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
For the people in this thread have yet to look up music in the dictionary, grunge is real music. Just thought I'd let you know before you make a habit stating such blatantly obvious falsehoods.
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Good lord, your post made me literally lol.
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It's obvious your sense of humour is completely poor, if you laugh at serious comments that state a fact.
Wake up people... even rap, hiphop, whatever.. IS MUSIC. Maybe not your kind of music, but MUSIC.
About the album, I agree with the OP.. a masterpiece of its own kind. I liked it more now that I'm older and appreciate things qwithout stupid emotions more than a few years ago when I didn't hear the music and all i said was "it killed metal!"
Anyway, it didn't kill metal. It killed the popularity of a particular brand of commercial metal, but metal in all its forms is so alive and breathing... actually, much more than grunge... which is a genre that I still don't understand why people hate so much...
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 23:15
The T wrote:
grunge... which is a genre that I still don't understand why people hate so much... |
Might have something to do with the fact that its turgid slop played by unwashed goons in flannel who moan and drone about nothing in particular.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 23:17
The T wrote:
actually, much more than grunge... which is a genre that I still don't understand why people hate so much... |
I think people are also associating it with post-grunge and pop-punk, which are pretty much objectively the worst genres ever, but that's not fair because post-grunge and pop-punk are cashing in on the success of grunge and punk. At least grunge was a relatively unique musical movement.
I mean just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Post-grunge_groups - look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pop_punk_bands - this . I'd want to kill myself too if my musical work turned into that...
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 23:18
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
drone about nothing in particular. |
Says the prog fan.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: February 22 2009 at 23:43
Hell Yes, love the album. There was a time a couple of years back that I couldn't put it on my player because I listened to it almost too much in high school, but now it's alive and well again. And the great (and sad) thing about Nirvana is that they just kept on getting better and better. In Utero is my favourite album from them and You Know You're Right definitely one of my favourite songs. I would have loved to hear how their next album would've sounded...
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 00:14
Pnoom! wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
drone about nothing in particular. |
Says the prog fan.
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I said "drone," not sing 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 06:20
I actually encountered Nirvana first on their Saturday Night Live appearance. Thought they were a bit of joke what with Kurt's hair falling all over his face where he couldn't possibly see and him and Krist having their instruments slung so low (crotch level, had to be an intentional gimmick) that they must have been nearly impossible to play. A musician I respected, Tori Amos, appeared to be a fan though. I got a cheap used In Utero in '99, found it to be proggy at the fringes, got my hands on most of their catalog shortly thereafter. So to make it short (too late) I do like it and the band as it was in general.
Easy Money wrote:
There are a lot of really good songs on this album:
Breed, Lithium, Territorial Pissings, Polly and In Bloom which I
believe was influenced by King Crimson.
I really like a lot of the songs, but I have always found Curt's
voice and personality to be annoying, also, he should not be using a
flanger on his guitar. |
So it's not my imagination, I thought there was a little Fripp influence in Kurt's style. 
Still for me Nevermind is an album best not worn out. I find In Utero to be better and they actually seemed to be on the way to more proggy territory.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 06:37
Slartibartfast wrote:
I find In Utero to be better.
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I liked Nevermind quite a bit when it came out and wore that cd out pretty much. However, now it seems a bit bland in spots although some of the songs are still great: Lithium, Come As You Are, etc., it's not an album I play in its entirety much anymore. On the other hand, I find that In Utero has held up much better over time and I still like to dust that one off and play it. So the answer is yes, I do like it, but it's not their best IMO.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 06:48
Nevermind is the subject of frequent debate here at the AR mansion. Micky loves the album, while I have to admit I find it a tad.. how can I say that... overrated . That said, I would not state I dislike it... Some of the songs are undoubtedly good ("Lithium", "Come As You Are"), others leave me cold. Personally, I very much prefer Pearl Jam's Ten, but I am aware of being an exception.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 06:56
I pretty much hate everything by Nirvana.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 06:57
Not really. I have borrowed it some years ago, but I found it a typical 2.5 star thing, neither good nor bad.
I will not show the rear part of my tongue when it comes to a reaction on all the  overrating of this album, but a good summary might be : Never mind.
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 06:58
An OK album. Won't say that I don't like it, just not crazy about it or anything.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 07:21
I thought it was a good album, but could never understand the iconic status given to it at the time and since; for my money, Nirvana reached their peak on the MTV (so-called) 'unplugged' album - when the songs were stripped right down, I found them more powerful.
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Incidentally, a little admin note - a few posts irrelevant to this discussion have been removed from the thread; opinions re the album, fine, but opinions re opinions re opinions expressed elsewhere on the forum... nah.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 09:33
Jim Garten wrote:
I thought it was a good album, but could never understand the iconic status given to it at the time and since; for my money, Nirvana reached their peak on the MTV (so-called) 'unplugged' album - when the songs were stripped right down, I found them more powerful.
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I agree - maybe blasphemy around here, but I really liked their cover of "The Man Who Sold the World".
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 09:59
Raff wrote:
Personally, I very much prefer Pearl Jam's Ten, but I am aware of being an exception.
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I'm with you on this one Raff! Ten blows Nevermind any time! Has much more better songs, they have better solos, better voice, more & more
Then would come Dirt by AIC or Superunknown by Soundgarden...
For the poll's question, I vote 'no'.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 10:26
Badmotorfinger is the Soundgarden-album I dug. Nevermind is near perfect (so I voted yes), but Dirt is the ultimate album of the grunge era for me.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 11:06
Pearl Jam's Ten is an incredible album. So is Nevermind.
Ah, the sweet sound of two landmark albums in the same genre both being good.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 11:12
NaturalScience wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I thought it was a good album, but could never understand the iconic status given to it at the time and since; for my money, Nirvana reached their peak on the MTV (so-called) 'unplugged' album - when the songs were stripped right down, I found them more powerful. | I agree - maybe blasphemy around here, but I really liked their cover of "The Man Who Sold the World". |
That was a good one, true, but their version of Leadbelly's 'Where did you sleep last night' is the highpoint for me
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 11:19
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Nirvana's allright better than every hair metal band in existence at least
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False. At least Whitesnake is better.
Also, Nevermind has 4 or 5 really good songs and nothing else I care about.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 11:21
Never mind!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 11:21
Henry Plainview wrote:
The T wrote:
actually, much more than grunge... which is a genre that I still don't understand why people hate so much... |
I think people are also associating it with post-grunge and pop-punk, which are pretty much objectively the worst genres ever, but that's not fair because post-grunge and pop-punk are cashing in on the success of grunge and punk. At least grunge was a relatively unique musical movement.
I mean just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Post-grunge_groups - look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pop_punk_bands - this . I'd want to kill myself too if my musical work turned into that... |
Bush has alway been consistently slammed for no good reason. A compilation of their best songs can easily stand against a compilation of Nirvana's best songs.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 11:55
I was the perfect age for this album, in high school (class of 90) you either liked Heavy Metal or New Wave although those categories were stupid as bands from Bon Jovi to Yngwie Malmsteen to Slayer were Heavy Metal and New Order to Sisters of Mercy to Ministry were placed under New Wave in our adolescent minds. Hair Metal was so spent, and though U2 and REM were putting out good music, they were established acts. Soundgarden, Faith No More, a few bands were lurking, but then Nirvana hit. They combined New Wave, Punk, and Metal into one sound, and suddenly (at least in the HS/College music culture I was part of) some of the artificial categorizations got blown apart. It's cultural significance was monumental. It is hard to think of a single album with more cultural significance (Never Mind the Bollocks????) though other groups are bigger.
Nevermind is good music too. I personally think Cobain had a limited range of creativity, and was already stretching it by In Utero, and he was doomed early on, but what he did was original and good.
Grunge in general is a totally different, bigger discussion.
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 12:24
I really liked nevermind 4 years ago when I has into grunge. Now I think that Alice in chains ( I love Jar of Flies) , Pearl jAM and Stone temple Pilots are far superior. Still , I need to hear it one more time to see how it aged.
Also I need to hear Smashing Pumpkins who are said to be the proggiest act of the scene.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 13:26
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Nirvana's allright better than every hair metal band in existence at least
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WASP would like to have a word with you. 
As for Nirvana, I've begun to appreciate them when separated from the way they were hyped the be-all, end-all of rock'n'roll because they definitely weren't but their "1960s garage rock on the worst heroin overdose ever" shtick does have its charm.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 13:59
I never liked grunge too much, and I'm not too fond of Nirvana's Nevermind neither, I like a couple of songs from that album, however, I respect it a lot. It's a cornerstone of one generation, it helped killing the synthpop of the 80's and it had brought electric guitar to the forefront again.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 14:24
As anybody who was a teenager in the 90's, I was exposed to the rays of Nirvana's "Nevermind". Yet, I never heard the whole album and I still haven't bought it. In 1993/1994, I didn't feel like buying it, because there were all the singles on the radio. When Cobain killed himself, I didn't buy any record from Nirvana: I don't like necrophiliac cults. And I started to see younger people who were young children wearing t-shirts with the portrait of Cobain, I still could not buy anything from Nirvana.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 14:35
clarke2001 wrote:
I never liked grunge too much, and I'm not too fond of Nirvana's Nevermind neither, I like a couple of songs from that album, however, I respect it a lot. It's a cornerstone of one generation, it helped killing the synthpop of the 80's and it had brought electric guitar to the forefront again.
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yepper.... that is why I disagree with those who call it 'overrated' it was a revolutionary album... whether one likes it or not... the facts be what they be...
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 15:16
CPicard wrote:
As anybody who was a teenager in the 90's, I was exposed to the rays of Nirvana's "Nevermind". Yet, I never heard the whole album and I still haven't bought it. In 1993/1994, I didn't feel like buying it, because there were all the singles on the radio. When Cobain killed himself, I didn't buy any record from Nirvana: I don't like necrophiliac cults. And I started to see younger people who were young children wearing t-shirts with the portrait of Cobain, I still could not buy anything from Nirvana.
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I got a copy used in '99, very cheap. Still if you were to have only one, I'd recommend In Utero, which can also be had used very cheap. 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 15:16
I have Nevermind and I like it, but I have a rule that I only listen to half of the cd in one listening session. Not because the music is too intense, but because the cd has too little diversity to sit the whole thing out.
Having said that: I have to say that Kurt Cobain was a good song writer, much better than he was usually credited for. People always looked at the surface things, the stuff that gets into the press. Cobain was talented, also as a lyricist, and history has proven that Dave Grohl has some talent as well.
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 15:39
i like it. Cobain was a talented song writer and penned some of the bands best work in this album (polly, drain you, Lithium, Breed) but i dont love it. 3.5 stars? maybe. i like in Utero better I am a much bigger fan of Soundgarden and alice in chains and would take ANY one of their albums over anything nirvana ever did.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 16:54
I like it, it's a good album. Not great, but solid.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 17:19
It's not bad I guess but I don't care for it or their other albums at all. I think Alice In Chains' Dirt owns it on all accounts. One of my all time favorites...
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 18:03
The Miracle wrote:
It's not bad I guess but I don't care for it or their other albums at all. I think Alice In Chains' Dirt owns it on all accounts. One of my all time favorites...
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Agreed!
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:47
Not the best record ever, and certainly overplayed, but I do like it.
Plus, without Nirvana, the Foo Fighters might not have happened.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:52
zappaholic wrote:
Plus, without Nirvana, the Foo Fighters might not have happened.
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Double fail 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:12
zappaholic wrote:
Not the best record ever, and certainly overplayed, but I do like it.
Plus, without Nirvana, the Foo Fighters might not have happened.
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Without The Melvins, Nirvana might not have happened.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:32
crimhead wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Not the best record ever, and certainly overplayed, but I do like it.
Plus, without Nirvana, the Foo Fighters might not have happened.
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Without The Melvins, Nirvana might not have happened. |
Without The Wipers, The Melvins might not have happened.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:56
Without The Stooges, the Wipers might not have happened
Without The Velvet Underground, The Stooges might not have happened.
This is fun.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:08
I enjoy the album that came before, and the album that came after. But do not enjoy the album of this poll.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:21
In Utero is better, but I don't care for either. I'd probably go as far to say I hate Nevermind, but grunge overall isn't much of my thing besides AiC and STP.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:40
without people, music would never have happened. there it's over
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 21:08
And for all the Nirvana haters, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM_xvTaYavw&fmt=18 - there is a good melody under there, you just have to play it right. ;-)
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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 21:25
The BEST cover version of any song ever!! The rest of the album is equally great. Living proof of my new motto; "Fire the band and hire a professional."
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 21:28
Trademark wrote:
The BEST cover version of any song ever!! The rest of the album is equally great. Living proof of my new motto; "Fire the band and hire a professional."
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It's true, it's the only cover I can think of that's better than the original.
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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 21:54
Try these Henry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mU2lJKkQ04 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mU2lJKkQ04
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 21:55
Henry Plainview wrote:
Trademark wrote:
The BEST cover version of any song ever!! The rest of the album is equally great.
Living proof of my new motto; "Fire the band and hire a professional." |
It's true, it's the only cover I can think of that's better than the original. |
Good Lord, grunge meets the Rat Pack 
I'm feeling lazy right now or I'd try to find one of Pat Boone doing Enter Sandman.
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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 22:02
The Pat Boone album is called In A Metal Mood and its nowhere near as classy as the paul Anka. Boone covers Enter Sandman, You've Got Another Thing Coming and Holy Diver among others, but the arrangements are pretty boring. Just a lot of brass playing straight transcriptions of the guitar parts. Nothing like what Paul Anka did on Rock Swings. A good arranger is worth his weight in gold.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 22:04
Trademark wrote:
The Pat Boone album is called In A Metal Mood and its nowhere near as classy as the paul Anka. Boone covers Enter Sandman, You've Got Another Thing Coming and Holy Diver among others, but the arrangements are pretty boring. Just a lot of brass playing straight transcriptions of the guitar parts. Nothing like what Paul Anka did on Rock Swings. A good arranger is worth his weight in gold. |
Wouldn't expect the Boone to be as classy as Anka. Boone has been destroying classics (Tutti Frutti, anyone) since day one.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 06:35
Great album i like it, a bit overrated maybe, but still very good, i do like most other Grunge bands more then Nirvana howerver...
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 10:37
Yes i like
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 10:46
I've only listened to Nevermind once, some 15 years ago and thought it was ok, but never attempted a second listen.
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 10:55
While there are some gems from the grunge scene (Alice In Chains' Sap, Jar of Flies, & Dirt, Soundgarden's Louder then Love & Ultramega OK, Melvins' Lysol), Nevermind, IMO, wasn't one of them. The proto-grunge scene was much cooler with bands like Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., & The Pixies...
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:01
I'm a bit surprised that you like Pixies but not Nirvana, since Nirvana were basically an updated version of that band. IMO both are great (and I'll gladly give the edge to Pixies), but Nirvana are definitely a worthy successor.
In other news, anyone who likes Nevermind but hasn't heard the Pixies album Doolittle, try and hear it ASAP. It's similar but even better.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:06
I don't think Doolittle is similar to Nevermind! Unless I heard wrong.
The music is more sophisticated, happy-ish, and the vocals are miles apart.
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:08
Pnoom! wrote:
I'm a bit surprised that you like Pixies but not Nirvana, since Nirvana were basically an updated version of that band. IMO both are great (and I'll gladly give the edge to Pixies), but Nirvana are definitely a worthy successor.
In other news, anyone who likes Nevermind but hasn't heard the Pixies album Doolittle, try and hear it ASAP. It's similar but even better.
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I'll give that to Nirvana for In Utero, which I thought was more daring & experimental than Nevermind - but the Pixies had such a fun & creative edge to them...not to mention they charted the waters Nirvana was swimmin' in 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:19
stonebeard wrote:
I don't think Doolittle is similar to Nevermind! Unless I heard wrong.
The music is more sophisticated, happy-ish, and the vocals are miles apart.
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Listen to the bassline on Debaser.
Listen to the bassline on Smells Like Teen Spirit.
Smells Like Teen Spirit is basically a really good Pixies song released under the Nirvana name.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:21
I'm not familiar enough with In Utero yet to really know how it compares to Nevermind (though I do like it, I just need to hear it more).
Pixies are definitely better, no doubt in part because they came first. I just think that Nirvana did an excellent job of navigating the waters Pixies charted (to carry on the metaphor).
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:23
Pnoom! wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I don't think Doolittle is similar to Nevermind! Unless I heard wrong.
The music is more sophisticated, happy-ish, and the vocals are miles apart.
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Listen to the bassline on Debaser.
Listen to the bassline on Smells Like Teen Spirit.
Smells Like Teen Spirit is basically a really good Pixies song released under the Nirvana name.
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Given how anti-complex and sophisticated grunge as a whole is, no doubt there was borrowing. Doesn't make the overall product the same.
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:28
Pnoom! wrote:
I'm not familiar enough with In Utero yet to really know how it compares to Nevermind (though I do like it, I just need to hear it more). |
Do...In Utero is much more raw & challenging.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:49
I'm a late comer to Nirvana, and I come there first and foremost as a prog fan. Haven't ever checked out the other compemporaries that have been mentioned. Maybe one of these days. Always open to persuasion though.
When Nevermind came out in 1991 I was listening to Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp & The League of Crafty Guitarists, XTC, Harold Budd, Sarah McLachlan, Phil Manzanera, Dave Stewart/Barbara Gaskin, Steve Howe, Yes (Yes, Union, yes), Darryl Way, Andy Summers, Pere Ubu...
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 11:53
Slartibartfast wrote:
When Nevermind came out in 1991 I was listening to XTC...Pere Ubu...
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Rock on brother 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 12:08
Slartibartfast wrote:
I'm a late comer to Nirvana, and I come there first and foremost as a prog fan. Haven't ever checked out the other compemporaries that have been mentioned. Maybe one of these days. Always open to persuasion though.
When Nevermind came out in 1991 I was listening to Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp & The League of Crafty Guitarists, XTC, Harold Budd, Sarah McLachlan, Phil Manzanera, Dave Stewart/Barbara Gaskin, Steve Howe, Yes (Yes, Union, yes), Darryl Way, Andy Summers, Pere Ubu...
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Very OT in this context, but we recently acquired Manzanera's Southern Cross album for 4 bucks), and I think you really nailed its review. The album may not be the epitome of prog, but it's certainly a very pleasant listen.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 25 2009 at 13:22
^ Very kind. I do have to say at this point that I hold Nevermind in higher regard than Southern Cross, but at the same time, I hold most of Phil's other solo albums in higher regard than all of Nirvana's.
Plug for Phil, anything you buy from his internet shop comes personally autographed. 
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 26 2009 at 11:34
Hardcore Prog and jazz fan and I can honestly say that Nivermind rocks!!! I can't denied
also Peal Jam Ten.. early 1990's great years.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: February 28 2009 at 07:40
zappaholic wrote:
Not the best record ever, and certainly overplayed, but I do like it.
Plus, without Nirvana, the Foo Fighters might not have happened.
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Who cares about Foo Fighters? 
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 06:30
I don't like Nirvana at all, however I kind of like Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 06:32
Philéas wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Not the best record ever, and certainly overplayed, but I do like it.
Plus, without Nirvana, the Foo Fighters might not have happened.
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Who cares about Foo Fighters? 
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Hey! Someone's got to fight the damn foo, foo. 
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 08:45
Yes, it is a great album, a classic in their genre, and that's a merit!  And actually I think Nevermind has one of the best productions I've ever heard.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 09:15
And you have to admit Kurt did a great job of singing with marbles in his mouth.
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Posted By: Gustavo Froes
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 10:02
It's a classic and easily the most influential album from the 90's,die-hard prog fans like it or not.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 10:20
Philéas wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Not the best record ever, and certainly overplayed, but I do like it.
Plus, without Nirvana, the Foo Fighters might not have happened.
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Who cares about Foo Fighters? 
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I do. Their first two albums are brilliant and the latest one very fine too. Some good and some less good material in between.
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Posted By: lextruther
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 14:10
I like it but I don't think Kurt Cobain is as good as the media would make you believe he is. I think the tribute to him turned him into an idol.. Like Heath Ledger.
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 11:52
lextruther wrote:
I like it but I don't think Kurt Cobain is as good as the media would make you believe he is. I think the tribute to him turned him into an idol.. Like Heath Ledger. |
I'm no Cobain fan, and I think he is a bit overrated, thoug he's not a bad musician at all. I think what happened with Kurt, Heath, and many more people is that they died YOUNG, and possibly that put them in a 'myth' status. Honestly, suppose Cobain was still alive these days, wouldn't he be almost 'just another musician' in this mainstream-driven music world? To some extent, yes, with the adittion that he released one of the most influential albums from the 90s. In other words, he would still be quite important, but not as he's now.
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Posted By: sweetleaf
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 12:57
wow, I had no idea so many had such a bad opinion about this album. I found this album in tape form hidden in the woods of my elementary school when I was 10 and didn't like it when I heard it... however many listens later by the time I was 15... (10 years ago) I couldn't imagine my progression into music without it.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:24
No sir, I don't like it.
I never got the Nirvana/Cobain thing (or grunge in general, for that matter). It just sounds like anger, pain anxiety and dysfunction set to a (plodding) beat, to me. I can't relate, nor do I want to. Give me some of the good ol' rock and roll, or up-beat & cheery new wave which preceded Nevermind and its angsty ilk.
It was an important album, you say? Fine -- I won't dispute that -- but it does nothing for me. Frankly, I find Nirvana to be grating and a decided DOWNER. 
 But to each his own -- one man's meat, and all that... 
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Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:39
I agree Peter. When I was young we'd drive around with the windows down and say "f**k the World!". The Cobain generation rolled up the windows and whined "The world f**ked me."
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:51
Trademark wrote:
I agree Peter. When I was young we'd drive around with the windows down and say "f**k the World!". The Cobain generation rolled up the windows and whined "The world f**ked me."  |
Ah, when I was old, which I was at the time and even moreso am now, I'd throw on a little Nevermind and be reminded of what rock could be.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 03:55
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 12 2009 at 04:12
Trademark wrote:
I agree Peter. When I was young we'd drive around with the windows down and say "f**k the World!". The Cobain generation rolled up the windows and whined "The world f**ked me."  |
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