Kids and Music.
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Topic: Kids and Music.
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Subject: Kids and Music.
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:14
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Almost more than half the kids that attend my school pretty much suck at life because they don't listen to the most amazing stuff ever: prog rock! You know the sh*t that these teenagers are into in this generation....Jonas Brothers...Fall Out Boy....Hannah Montana [barf]....It just sucks that a few kids listen to Rush, and it sucks that even fewer know what Rush is.
And it's not just Rush, of course....it's all those other bands that they're missing out on, too! Jesus. I just don't see how people can pick Avenged Sevenfold over Porcupine Tree. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty big fan of A7X...but seriously, they don't even come close when in a contest with progressive rock/metal.
Just recently, I changed out my iPod completely because I've been listening to the same stuff for five years straight: Dream Theater, Rush, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, etc. I've got to admit, that stuff was getting to be a little too much; it was time for something different. Since my dad is pretty much lazy and decides not to fix the iTunes on our computer, I went over to my friend's house and changed out the songs that I had for her stuff. I now listen to more modern stuff like Atreyu, System of a Down, Linkin Park, and I Set My Friends on Fire. That's stuff isn't so bad, but now that I've had it for about a month now, I'm starting to miss the ol' prog.
Here's what I pretty much noticed while listening intently to the two styles of music.
1. The guitars are usually in the same tuning: either D, D flat, or C.
The guitarists, for some odd reason, don't like to change up their tuning very much; they keep it the same throughout ever song. Take Atreyu, for example. From what I've heard (I can't judge every song because I haven't heard every song that they've ever written), they keep their guitars in C tuning! Not that it's a bad thing, of course, because C is actually amazing, but it does tend to get a little bit old after the third song you listen to.
2. They overuse the root note of the song.
We prog musicians/music listeners are so used to hearing different keys and starting scale degrees that we get a little bored of hearing the 'do' of the same key throughout a song or even a couple of songs. Like I said in reason #1, they like to keep the same tuning for almost every piece they write, and the key of the song is 96% of the time the lowest power chord on the guitar. Whether it's two guitarists in the band, rhythm and lead, or just one, in almost every measure, there HAS to be a C note played, or a D note, or a D flat note. It's almost addictive, I think, because when I play guitar, I find myself hitting those notes. Weeeeirrrd o.O
3. The singers often times use the same melody for different songs.
Let's say the melody for a System of a Down song was D, E, F sharp, E. Stupid example, I know, but just bear with me here, I don't have a guitar with me at the moment. In another song, it might be (same key, mind you) E, D, F sharp, F sharp. I know that SOAD like to use foreign scales, but I can't think of any at the moment, so we'll just stick with major. That's pretty much how they do for the vast majority of their music. It's a little annoying, but I guess we musicians have to put up with it if we wanna be 'hip'. Haha ^_~
4. There's always a 'crunch' sound in the guitar tones that they use.
Now, me being a guitarist, I pay close attention to the guitars during a song. I notice that with every song, whether it be all gain with no bass or vice versa, a little bit of gain with a whole hell of a lot of treble, or even clean with a small amount of gain, there for some reason has to be a certain 'crunch' in the tone, no matter if it's a slow song or not. I'm not complaining about it, I find the crunch sound way more pleasant to hear over a clean tone, but that's just me. That's just something I notice. There have been a few reported occasions where they don't use a crunchy sound, but that's pretty rare for the songs and artists on my iPod.
5. [Last one, I promise] What's with the constant use of screaming??!
The first time I heard Octavarium, the climatic part when James LaBrie starts screaming, "Trapped inside! This! Octavarium!" I literally had a music orgasm. LMAO it was AWESOME! Just the emotion put into that part made me like..."Gah!" lol
But yeah, I have to complain, the screaming done in most of the bands that I listen to on my iPod is pretty much getting a little wasted. One of my most favorite screamers, however, the one from the band Attack Attack!, is amazing. I don't necessarily criticize his over use of his talent, but I guess for the screamer of Atreyu I have to admit, not the best in the world. Mainly because I don't like it THAT much....I dunno. Just the screaming in general I can do without, except for Att Att ^_^
OK! Now that's all said and done....you're probably wondering, "How the hell does this fit into the category of kids sucking at listening to good music?!" Well, my progheaded friends, the generation that we live in today is just another generation of evolution: evolving into something more stupid than the last. With less attention spans and more incoherent humour, we often find ourselves in the midst of an apocalyptic era in terms of good music. What you guys have heard on the radio 30 years ago is much more different than the music we hear on the radio today. And, in my opinion, the sh*t that was played back then was f**king AMAZING. Led Zeppelin overrules the Backstreet Boys with Jimmy Page's left pinkie. Haha
But then again, music is an opinion. But seriously, who said that there's no such thing as stupid opinions? ^_~
------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:23
How can there be fewer kids who know Rush than there are kids who listen to Rush?  Do some kids listen to 2112 and go "Just what is this delightful sound?"   ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
PetrucciPal wrote:Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:31
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I wish I could know music theory to answer your post. Not only kids such at music , today I went to a record store , and I was next to the jazz section when one girl was looking for help to get a record for a relative. He asked one of the employees and he refused because he didn't know anything about the genre. Besides , he said ( while looking a Herbie HancocK CD) Who knows this guy? His music must be awful!
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Posted By: Mousoleum
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:33
| Prog-anger. Been there. Don't worry, it eventually leads to acceptance, then you stop caring and get into jazz. Seen it a thousand times. It's nice here, chin up! |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:42
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lol whoops. OK, that makes sense. XD ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:45
Hahahaha it's exactly what happened to me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Endless Wire
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:03
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Unfortunately it's true. And for those that haven't heard the Nickelback mash-up song, proving that they use the same formula for every song, it's both hilarious and depressing. But if you want some hope you could check out my music...Try the link below  ------------- . |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:03
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I am more frustrated by my teenage in-laws. If a song (even a good song, say something from Queen or Led Zeppelin) isn't on a movie or television program produced by Disney or covered on American Idol (or some such thing), it is unknown to them. And then when they hear it, it's like, totally, the best song EVER!  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:15
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"I literally had a music orgasm. " Way Way Way WAAAAY to much information!
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:20
| I got news for ya, it's not just kids. Bottom line, most ppl like music that makes them move, not think. In fact ppl hate thinking in general, and sometimes they get pissed off when I try to force them to. Thinking causes you to do annoying things like question yourself and see things in shades of gray instead of black and white. Who wants that? So since ppl hate thinking, music that makes you think will always be in the minority. We've Beauvoir would have said we've become a culture full of sub-men. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:23
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I hate ppl who use bbrvtns that are nknwn to me.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:40
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First of all, a large proportion of prog fans are musicians, and the majority of humans are not serious musicians.
Second of all, music serves many functions and many of them don't really have anything to do with art or artistry. It's hard to dance to 11/8 (though it can be done) ((maybe not if you're a white boy like me)).
Thirdly of all, why not just keep the good stuff to yourself! If someone ever comes up and says "You know, I just can't find anything interesting in music anymore." you rub your hands in delight and say "Well there's this little band called Gentle Giant." ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:47
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I don't understand why people here get so upset about stuff like this. It's even scary when people are planning-out all the prog their kids are going to listen to... *shivers*
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Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:51
Y'know, that all makes sense. You're right, the majority of people aren't musicians. Buttttttt, the ones that ARE have to suffer. At least that's what I think. For many musicians that I know, myself included, we like to share our music with a lot of people, but we can't seem to find the right kind of people to share it with...mainly because a lot of the people that we know (especially at my age) aren't musicians themselves. So, with that being said, all my favorite types of music can't be shared within my group of friends, or really anywhere else at my school, for that matter, because everyone there sucks at life. lol kidding, but yeah. =/
lol, who needs dancing when you can PLAY that stuff?!! Haha ^_~
I sort of agree with you on that one. Keeping it to ourselves will only make it more....genuine, if that's the right word. idk, I guess I just have to find the right people to share it with. =) ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:59
 . You are right. People do not like to think. Why is that? There is so much to think about.------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: alerxst
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:11
It's called an "eargasm." |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:22
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I'm in college at the moment, and the kids I go there with are around 16-18 years old. You'd actually be surprised how many of them enjoy my music, but just haven't heard of any of it. There are more metalheads than you can count, and I've managed to convert half of them to Opeth, Meshuggah, BTBAM and Cynic effortlessly. OK, the bands listed may be on the heavier side of Prog, but it's still prog nonetheless. One of my best friends has just asked to borrow my Isis collection for a week, and he's into Grindcore and Grime. Personally, I believe that lots of people like the genre, but just haven't heard any of it yet.
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Posted By: June
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:53
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Kids are kids, they need to be educated, that's it. Music appreciation is just as long a skill to acquire as reading and counting, except that's it's not taught in school as extensively, and in some cases, it's not taught at all.
And you can't take a kid who likes Hannah Montana and call him (or her) is an idiot for not getting Porcupine Tree: it's like trying to teach advanced geometry after having taught 1+1=2. It's a long process, we just gotta keep the faith.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:59
Well, like how do you feel about people who like use like too much, or is that like totally passe now?  By the way, Petrucci, I see by your profile you are 55 years old. Keep getting held back from passing on to the next grade? So, are you only as old as you are young or as young as you are old?I was a teen back in the late '70's when I first became a prog nut. It really was about the same back then. Maybe not as bad. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 15:01
Gotta give you mad props! (That's how the kids talk nowadays) ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 17:41
lol I'm actually 15, but I just thought that Putting Joe Satriani's birth date and age would be awesome. idk, I was weird back when I made this. XD ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 17:50
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^Dude, Joe Satriani is 52 years old, he was actually born on the 15th of July, 1956 That's still awesome, sorta, since he is one of my favorite guitarists of all time  ------------- 
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Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 17:53
Ohh, psh, OK, didn't know that, thanks XD
Yay! He's younger than I thought! ^_^
lol ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 18:33
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Oh god, not this thread again. And we wonder why people think we're pretentious...
Backstreet Boys vs Led Zeppelin is not a valid comparison in any way. And to the rest of the post: idk my bff jill
Please don't make that face again. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 18:50
That makes me even more angry than all of the other music they listen too. It seems my brother hasn't realized Pink Floyd made more songs other than Money, Brain Damage, and Another Brick In the Wall, pt. 2 |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 18:54
I think that face is so cute that I hereby quote it. ^_^ |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 19:31
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Well sir, you certainly are not alone. I am in high school right now and I must be the only person in all 1000 people here (small school) that enjoys prog music. Yes it does drive me nuts when the girls talk about the song on the radio that's so great and that I'm constantly subjected to the uber-loud bass of rap lovers in the parking lot. However, you gotta realize that people just aren't into music, so why would they go out of their way to look up some good stuff, when they have stuff that they enjoy listening to the couple times they listen a day?
Wasn't there a poll recently where the biggest demographic here was teenagers from the US? I'll have to look that one up. ------------- 
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 19:49
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A writer in my country once said that all things we do are in order to score and if I take that into account well , you can't start interesting conversations with women with prog as a subject. Music is just to get laid nowadays.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 06:08
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I think music is fun, and that's why I listen to it. Not for any scene, self-satisfaction, self-righteousness, fulfilling a fetish for music theory, etc., just fun.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 07:28
Yes and in that sense, we are not really different from the people who are "accused" on this thread of listening to music for fun - why should we be different anyway? I haven't met anybody else in my city who likes 70s prog so much and though I have misanthropic tendencies, I wouldn't pursue a genre of music only to fulfill some bizarre narcissist motives. From the first time I listened to Aqualung/ Firth of the Fifth/ Experience/ Karn Evil 9 I knew I was enjoying myself like I had hardly ever before and that's the one thing that makes me pursue this form of music. I like it and why do I care who else does and does not? |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 10:59
And has been for a long time ... ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 11:04
I don't know. How long can we allow people the option of listening to music that they like ? What's next - letting them enjoy the Kids in the Hall over James Joyce ? The McLaughlin group over the View ? Can't we kill a few people so that we end with a majority who listen to music that we judge of appropriate quality and value ? Oh no, wait ... what am I saying ... that would leave very few RIO/Avant-Gardeners ... Good music = listener's enjoyment . I am now going back to Tales of Topographic Tales to see if Steve Howe should have fought harder to play that G7 instead of the Gmajor that Jon Anderson insisted upon. Now where was that ? ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 12:28
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Some people simply do not enjoy the prog aesthetic. Being progressive does that make a song or artist good or inherently better than one that is not. It's a dangerous trap to fall into, and I too did it at your age when I first got into prog and discovered this site. While those bands your mentioned are pretty much atrocious to anyone who isn't 15, there's plenty of sophisticated non-prog music. I'd take a band like Thrice over 90% of the bands included here. Personally with my all prog attitude I burnt myself out on music completely for about 6 months, until I branched out into other genres which made music come alive again. I would predict the same thing will happen to you. Also, if you think the scream at the end of Octavarium is something special, you really need to listen to Envy. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: the_binkster
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:34
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Too many associate 'long songs' with rubbish, apparently if it demands your attention for more than 3 minutes it isn't worthy of your attention. I had a discussion with a mate who refused Opeth because they write 'boring songs' and then proceded to extol the virtues of Bring Me The Horizon. Prog's image is the problem, not the music. After I played a friend shorter Porcupine Tree songs he fell in love with them and now even listens to the 'more demanding' stuff (yes, I frequently remind him PT isn't demanding listening). Kids like sh*tty stuff because everyone else does; they don't branch out because they're afraid of being called weird...... |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:36
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But it's amazing. lol ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:37
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I don't really think its the image. It's just exposure. And what is wrong with Bring Me The Horizon. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:45
It's probably a little bit of both.
My 11 year old sister only likes rap because she thinks everybody else does and she thinks it'll get her popular in school. It's pretty sad, really -_- ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 13:49
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Well why would you expect an 11 year old to have a strongly formed opinion on anything. Honestly music is a very powerful, personal, and intricate thing. To expect young people to be able to intake information and make informed musical decisions is really as unrealistic as expecting them to do the same with respect to political or medical decision. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 14:01
Well, idk. I had a strong opinion on music when I was 11. That's when I first got into Rush ^_~ ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 15:32
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There's only one answer. PROG BOOT CAMP!!! HUT-2-3-4....um...5. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 15:37
What? No! Of course those are not weeds. Those are just very complex carrots that very few people know how to eat. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 24 2008 at 20:24
It is weird how much some people here define themselves by their music taste. I meant to complain at people in that thread but it's dead now. Oh well.
While the majority are people older than that, as I recall yes, they were the single largest demographic. It's funny that the people who are actually old have gotten over complaining about kids these days. ;-)
What are you even saying?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO KILL IT WITH FIRE! ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 00:28
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In a somewhat related sentence, today I spend a good 3 hours talking to a Norwegian exchange student who is 17, and she and I had a damn good talk about music. She enjoys Dream Theater, Frank Zappa, and Opeth (even the growly parts). It was freaking amazing that she and I had plenty of similar tastes (of course, she mostly likes female fronted power metal), and the fact that she was young AND female just astounded me at how good her musical tastes were. -------------
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Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 18:34
| One word: de-evolution |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 18:44
Kids will be skeletons. /lame-ass Mogwai reference Re: thread: zomg xD Also, believe it or not, musicians over 40 don't really do new things in music. Them dern kids may make sh*tty music 80% of the time or more, but that remainder is usually far more edgy and original (pretentious too, perhaps) than their older counterparts. |
Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 19:00
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It seems like post rock is the popular music among the kids in new orleans. Bands like sigur ros, godspeed you! black emperor and maps and atlases(not really post rock) are pretty much accepted by kids of today. Hella and Lightning Bolt are probably frequently found on some mix CDs with the likes of Modest Mouse, Fleet Foxes, and Breathe Owl Breathe . Maps and Atlases were on MTVs artist on the rise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-1HWJ-FtEs |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 11:09
LMAO ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 11:57
informed musical decisions ?/ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa you either like a song or you don't. there is no other info ... ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 21:22
You are lucky post rock is popular where you live. The closest "popular" thing around here is some classic rock aka songs in Guitar Hero/Rock Band. I can't remember the song, but my sister thought a rap song was weird because it had a drum and odd sounding vocals. I was really close to making her listen too Magma. Anyways, Maybe I should try to get more people into post rock, I just need to find someone who will appreciate Godspeed You! Black Emperor. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 23:20
Umm yes but you act like the judgement of a song as liked or not liked happens by random processes. It certainly doesn't. And I think we can agree some criteria for judging are better than others. A guitarist being cute would be objectively a lesser reason for liking a band than a guitarist invoking a strong emotion other than sexual attraction. However, children certainly like songs based on the image of the members of the band. I'm saying that as they mature these criteria become more refined. Also you can't deny that a child listens to music with the same focus as an adult. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 23:33
Furthermore, I was pretty sure he meant a wide knowledge of music, something which is impossible for 11 year olds, seeing as how they only recently came into existence.
Unless you are a Suzuki violinist, I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMs0P-e9CsQ - HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 23:39
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^ Good so I wasn't speaking as vaguely as he made it seem. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: AlbertMond
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 03:22
Agreed. When every song is constant screaming throughout, it loses its emotional impact.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 08:27
http://www.imdb.com/rg/mediaindex/thumbnail/media/rm3427376640/tt0105950 - 
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Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 07:07
I was thinking much the same. I can't think why school kids would want to listen to 'Prog'. At that age you should be listening to The Stooges or The Hives and getting all those hormones sorted out, not worrying about an Em7 or Codas. Go out, get pissed, have sex and listen to loud guitars or the fonk! ------------- ~Jump you f**ker jump~ |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 07:12
| When I was a kid I listened to Take That. |
Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 07:16
Infinately preferable to Rush. ------------- ~Jump you f**ker jump~ |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 10:37
Well, I do go out, get angry, still a virgin and listen to Dream Theater and Rush. And I'm still considered a teenager. lol ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 10:39
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I think this world would be a better place if kids my age listened to progressive rock music rather than their silly break up songs. Just thought I'd clear things up a bit. So yeah, maybe having kids listen to prog rock is a sort of bad thing, considering the fact that prog wouldn't be as underground as it is (I guess some people like that concept?). Buuuuuuut, if kids listening to it WERE the case, then we progaholics wouldn't be as oppose to listening to the radio! =D ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 11:01
At this point, I can't say which of you, PROGMONSTER and Davetheslave was the best thing to happen to PA, but congrats anyway. I'd try explaining things to you, but I can't see the point of it anymore. Instead, I will leave you with a question: do you think you could have leapt out of your cradle and straight ahead for that Dream Theater CD? There's a time and place for everything. As for not listening to prog being somehow a bad thing for the world, I won't even bother.
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Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 14:07
So, I guess you're saying that you have to be at a certain maturity level to listen to prog? ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 15:41
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Since when did our music become a religion we felt we needed to convert people to? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 15:46
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^it take practice dear. jut like you can't start with calculus in first grade, you have to learn arithmetic first. i wouldn't be listening to magma and naked city now if i haven't tarted with Russian pop, Abba and the Beatles. you start with the primitive and then work your way to appreciating more complex stuff. kid need to be pointed in the right direction so they develop a good taste and eventually start listening to serious music. The problem i that as of now thats not happening. The music kids are exposed to in pop culture point them anywhere but in the right direction so they end up listening to bring me the horizon instead of dream theater ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 15:49
we're jut being snobs. it's human nature. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:02
You said RATM was the best band ever.
I still haven't gotten over that. :( ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:29
there's no such thing as the best band ever. but yeah, i kinda do think that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 16:53
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 19:44
Eek, not that word "maturtiy"!! I'd put it the way a poster did above, without grasping concepts like melody and rhythm in a basic form, you cannot appreciate the concept of prog. That doesn't necessarily mean you become more "mature" or "intellectual" - just like grasping advanced mathematics doesn't make you more "mature" as a person, just a good student of maths. If anybody told you listening to a prog is a sign of maturity, then sorry to spoil the party!
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 13:51
Me three!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 15:30
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Hi,
You obviously have not heard The Portsmouth Symphony .. to even come close to what a kid can really do ... and even make you cry for being so indecent and laughing.
My opinion is that even us as adults and composers we need a lot more of the kid in us ... and hopefully that would kill some of the crass commericalism displayed in this board and its discussions.
Thx
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 19:51
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I've got the noose ready ... do we hang ourselves with our words of artistic wisdom, or others because of their musical limitations ? If a 60 year old is still listening to punk, and enjoying his favourite music, I say more power (and likely volume) to them. Appreciation of any art form, no matter its' "critical" appraisal is not a mark of superiority, nor an indication of intelligence. Hitler listened to Wagner. Clinton listens to Fleetwood Mac. And Blair liked Oasis. Me , I listen to my wife. And good music. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 17:04
lol XD ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 19:49
Which Portsmouth Symphony are you referring too? The Portsmouth Symphony Orchestra (New Hampshire, Ohio) or the recently formed Portsmouth Symphony Orchestra (Hampshire, UK)... or the Portsmouth Symphonia (Hampshire, UK) that disbanded in 1979? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 20:49
Age does not equal maturity. Still as an older guy, kids really do suck at music. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 21:05
Ain't it the truth. I bought my son two Young Persons Guides to King Crimson, which he does listen to. However, and I am gravely concerned, I found a Best of the Buckinghams CD in his car the other night.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 01:04
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I think the part of the reason why it seems that prog = mature is because almost everyone who listens to prog consciously decided to do so instead of listening to whatever is being pounded into their skull by the radio. If somebody consciously started listening to pop music because they enjoyed it would that mean that they are mature? Or are they a lost cause? I don't think a lot of people look at music as an art form, and instead treat it as entertainment, and by todays standards, entertainment can get pretty unartistic.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 13:27
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Entertainment = Enjoyment. If you enjoy Dun, then you are entertained when you listen to their album. You may have different reasons for feeling so, than someone who is playing Miley Cyrus's latest. But you are still looking for something to enjoy. And as for being artistic, well ... Bach's rep was a washout for two centuries, but is now regarded as one the big boys in the europeen dead white guy music culture. So who is right about his artistic merit ? His fans from his time and this past 100 or so years, or those who, not long after his passing, let his music sink into what they believed was much deserved obscurity ? Oh, and art is in the eye of the beholder. And no amount of University or Critical whinging about will change that. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 13:41
Im sure he was referring to Portsmouth Sinfonia, Dean!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_Sinfonia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_Sinfonia
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 17:44
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90% of the time, I can't stand bands with singers who sound like they're under 25. Whatever it is they're singing about it always sounds like pathetic, squeaky, whiny garbage. Also, death to the Jonas Bros. Inc.!!!  |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 17:50
very nice to see you Stonas  Jonas Brothers need to be shot already.  they're living up to every boy band cliche and seem to dwell on it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 17:52
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BTW, i was thinking that 'Kids Suck At Music' would make a great name for a mathcore/indie/emo/hardcore/avant-metal/avant prog/dark ambient/industrial band
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 17:54
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^ it would be a terrible name for a school brass band though. ------------- What? |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 17:56
Are you trolling? It's clearly better suited for post-junglewave trip black illbient gothic new agecore. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 17:56
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Maybe terrible, but honest
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 18:00
That's eactly what thee guys play  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 18:06
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Bongos, on the right. Any doubt I had over the coolness of that band is now extinguished.  |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 22:01
Who ghost-edited the title? I liked it better before for that very reason, and when I saw this on the main screen I nearly screamed because I thought someone had made another thread that was exactly the same. :(
Can we ghost-edit our own posts and nobody told me?
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 00:18
I agree. I'm against name calling and all but come on... over-voiding life of sarcasm, avant garde subtlety and acid humor makes it boring as hell  and yeah, it is. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 00:20
Spot on!
The ulking central prepares a nuclear attack on them now!!
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 13:17
I actually don't have a problem with Jonas Brothers. They provide a product, and it sells. Is it Disney's fault people have bad taste? And I can only admire the way Disney has managed to extract millions of dollars in obviously useless products from an age group with no source of income.
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Posted By: Floydian42
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 18:37
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I don't know about any of you guys, but the huge thing in my school is Hardcore and Scene. I think this stuff bothers me more then the normal Jonas Brothers or Nickelback because the musicians in hardcore bands can truly play there instrument. They understand scales and harmonics, and instead of using there ability tastefully, they thrash on there instrument and drown out any interesting sound with screaming. I guess what makes a genre respectable in a music sense is it's ability to produce different emotions in there music. Things like Hardcore, Reggae, or crazy raw indie music could never create more then one emotion. Basic pop, and even hip hop can vary! I can stand those style's sparingly, but I can't even usually get through an album because I'm too anxious for something different. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 18:52
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^ It may seem that hardcore can only produce one emotion, but that's only because it produces all emotions in one.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 19:07
Would that include Metalcore? It seems anyone who is into metal of any kind at my school likes metalcore, which tends to get rather old for me. It all seems the same for me, yet they're always talking about how Dream Theater and The Mars Volta are gay bands.  -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 19:53
Not really. They stuff this crap down kids' throats right when their tastes are forming, it could be better but isn't because the extra effort is inconvenient for the corporations. Boy bands sell, you just have to update the look. They're traveling on a safe trusty path... i guess it's somewhat understandable cause everyone wants to make money, but it still doesn't justify dumbing down the youth. and it's not the kids that they're making money off of, it's the parents who have plenty of income... they just need to make pretty ads to have kids begging for this crap. Which points out the only solution: parents need to grow some balls, cause f**k the establishment ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 20:18
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Dumbing down the kids ? i don't recall any great social movement headed by people who stated first and foremost that they were doing it because of their tastes in music. Please refrain from dismissing the intelligence of any generation just because they listen to music you don't like. You sound like those people who would 'force" others to watch 'educational" tv only, and read the "right" books, and hold the "proper" thoughts. Give some time to thinking about what freedom means. And realize, if you don't know, that the very small percentage of acts like the Jonas Brothers that hit it big (which nowadays only means a platinum record), obscure the fact that the "establishment"'s support is no guarantee that you will be successful. You only hear about the few that are. And if you really knew the youth of today, at the very least those outside your reality, you'd know that they enjoy a wide variety of music. The cry of the hopeless has always been - "they (whoever they are) are being dumbed down." PULLEEEEZZE ! The only dumbing down is the elitist snot attitude that derides others by believing in a baffling sense of self superiority based on criteria chosen by yourself. I say that prog is intelligent, and I like prog, therefore I am intelligent. The real world operates like this - I listen to prog, because I like prog , and therefore I like to listen to prog. Period.!!!!! ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 21:21
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Modern corporate-created pop culture reeks of fakeness, money, insincerity, and more money... it just doesn't feel real; it feels like people behind it just want to make money, rather than making money and entertaining kids... Not asking for them to go listen to prog... it's about prog or music in particular at all. it's about the decline and commercialization of esthetic and moral values in general, which is IMHO totally happening. Art is just reflecting it like a mirror. Oh, and snobism rules ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 22:06
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 22:48
See You Again by Hannah Montana is a good pop song, even though it samples Sunglasses at Night. I know this because I have heard it too many times at work. I really don't think the crappy juvenile pop of today is any worse than the crappy juvenile pop of yesteryear--ain the grand scheme of things, wasn't that long ago, either. I know their parents are buying it, but I'm just pointing out how devious it is. I'm too tired to address db's post now, but I'll say this: 99% of pop culture is dumb, and I will maintain that to my grave, but I know people smarter than I am who regularly watch American Idol. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Floydian42
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 05:30
When I said "crazy raw indie music" I was just referring to one small segment of the indie music scene, of course I didn't mean the entire genre of indie music, indie is incredibly versatile. Though Reggae I stand by. I have a friend who is deep into reggae, and shows me plenty of music from all different artist, and I don't agree that it's very versatile. The music is either fun and upbeat, or relaxed. No matter what, it always gives off that positive cheery vibe. That's all I've ever heard it do, and thats why I decided to attack it. Same basic concept for all the other genre's I attacked, I criticized them for not varying in sound enough. I guess to more refine my point it is more accurate to attack the artist who stick to the same sound with each release. As much as a hate hard metal and screaming, I love Opeth. I respect there musicianship. So don't get me wrong, when I was attacking the genre's, I guess I was really going after the artists who are clumped in them, not the sound it made. I was just frustrated in the utter lack of creativity (with exceptions) that resulted in these scenes of music. |
Posted By: PetrucciPal
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 10:04
I agree. Pop culture needs to be shot in da ballz. lol ------------- For the <3 of John Petrucci! |