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Topic: Your opinion of George Starostin
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Subject: Your opinion of George Starostin
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 13:05

As you may or may not know, George Starostin is the author of the Only Solitare website, which can be reached here:

http://starling.rinet.ru/music/index.htm - http://starling.rinet.ru/music/index.htm
 
 
What do you guys think of him? More specifically, what do you think of his reviews of prog bands? If you have never read him before, just check out the page and read about any prog band that has a rating and tell me what you think. I personally think he's the best album reviewer I've ever read, though a bit biased at times...then again, who isn't? And his objective insights definately overshadow any bias.



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Posted By: Nizz
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 13:53
I've enjoyed GS's reviews for a while. A lot of his stuff annoys me but I suppose that's his job. It's ertainly sent me to the CD racks to pull out stuff to listen to a few times.
 
Mark Prindle's hilarious site is more concerned with punk/noise/weirdness but he's good on Yes and the Moody Blues and more often than not has me laughing out loud as he heads wildly off-topic.
 
A real labour of love for these guys - good luck to 'em.


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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 14:02
Not his greatest fan, myself. I think he's a bit quick to jump to conclusions, lacking much objectivity and his subjective opinions don't tend to correlate to my own.


Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 14:12
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 14:29
hahhahah... love his reviews... and forever a classic for this quote for the ages ....

'And yes, as long as bad taste exists in this world, there will always be Uriah Heep fans'

LOL


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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 07:14
I like his reviews for entertainment value only (guilty pleasure, in a way), but I can't agree with a LOT of his opinions and he gets unpleasantly personal with some artists.
 
A bit like the Jerry Springer of music reviews.
 
He won't mind if I call him a conceited assh.le because he's dead.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 08:17
I don't agree with him most of the time and purely for a music lover looking for information about an album to guide him, his reviews are not very useful. Having said that, his style of writing is very enjoyable and he slips in some great insights in the midst of his "I wanna piss off all fanboys of this band"  ramblings. Oh, and I do enjoy it when people irk fanboys,  LOL though only to the extent that it does not become an obsession. 


Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 11:44
Her UH reviews sucks in every big way
 
Her favorite phrase: "Pure pop Perfection".
 
i read a lot of her reviews she's is a clever writer but she doesn't like prog.
 
and BTW is SHE.
http://starling.rinet.ru/music/personal.htm - http://starling.rinet.ru/music/personal.htm


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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 23:36
You know that picture is a bit ambiguous. Also, I'm not all up in the Russian culture so I don't know whether georgiy is a m/f name. but that's an interesting revelation.
 
also, not liking prog does not immediately discredit his/her reviews. the reasons for liking/not liking it would. and I have to say I'm undecided. because if you look at the broad spectrum of rock music, prog is really just a small part which did NOT influence anything other than other prog. the rock aspect gets its stuff from true rock and also from the rock aspects of more mainstream rock bands like floyd, yes, rush, and genesis.
 
that said, not a fan of his/her reviews where there is overt bias. i like reading crits on the falls of prog, because its usually very interesting and ultimately true, but when there's too much bias, such as: "there is no melody this is a horrible song", and not considering the intentions of the artist then its just best to ignore that part.........................


Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 10:59
Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

You know that picture is a bit ambiguous. Also, I'm not all up in the Russian culture so I don't know whether georgiy is a m/f name. but that's an interesting revelation.
 
You know, if you read the personal info, she claim that have a baby and she are married with a guy?? any doubts again??   Wink
 
also, not liking prog does not immediately discredit his/her reviews. the reasons for liking/not liking it would. and I have to say I'm undecided. because if you look at the broad spectrum of rock music, prog is really just a small part which did NOT influence anything other than other prog. the rock aspect gets its stuff from true rock and also from the rock aspects of more mainstream rock bands like floyd, yes, rush, and genesis.
 
i´m not discredit her reviews for not liking prog, actually she was the first to say that.Wink
 
that said, not a fan of his/her reviews where there is overt bias. i like reading crits on the falls of prog, because its usually very interesting and ultimately true, but when there's too much bias, such as: "there is no melody this is a horrible song", and not considering the intentions of the artist then its just best to ignore that part.........................
 
Agree with that


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 07:52
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

 
You know, if you read the personal info, she claim that have a baby and she are married with a guy?? any doubts again??   
 


Don't want a full-scale derailment but it says "Married with children". Could mean anything to me.  I must note that the person in the pic looks more male-like than good ol' Geddy, which is not necessarily saying much. LOL

EDIT:  Turns out HE has an entry on wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Starostin
            Sorry to disappoint, zafreth.  LOL



Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 12:08
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

 
You know, if you read the personal info, she claim that have a baby and she are married with a guy?? any doubts again??   
 


Don't want a full-scale derailment but it says "Married with children". Could mean anything to me.  I must note that the person in the pic looks more male-like than good ol' Geddy, which is not necessarily saying much. LOL

EDIT:  Turns out HE has an entry on wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Starostin
            Sorry to disappoint, zafreth.  LOL

hahaha LOL not at all RogerWink


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 13:09
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhahah... love his reviews... and forever a classic for this quote for the ages ....

'And yes, as long as bad taste exists in this world, there will always be Uriah Heep fans'

LOL

I think you mean that as long as there exists Uriah Heep Fans, there will always be bad taste in this world.






p.s. I'm just waiting for someone to jump to UH's defence and state that what I meant was that UH was a bulwark against bad taste. Then claim that what I just said was all bollocks. That came out of my buttocks. As clear as that is ... no sh*t Sherlocks.


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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 25 2008 at 06:17

Spent waaaay too long with his reviews.....say what you will, the guy really dug what he was doing.

What I want to know:  Is the really dead?  Maybe by dead you meant not posting anymore, therefore as good as dead.  I really hope the guy hasn't really passed on.....probably my fault for cursing him to hell over his scorching review of Crimson's Islands.


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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 25 2008 at 21:43

I doubt dead, likely hesheit just got bored.



Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: October 25 2008 at 23:36
His/Her reviews are quite funny to read.However the guy is too sujective , he does not seem to like jazz , so he basically bashes all the Post Vol 2 releases by the Softs.Also there isn't any prog metal on the site , but I picture that he would hate it with passion.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 00:35
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Spent waaaay too long with his reviews.....say what you will, the guy really dug what he was doing.

What I want to know:  Is the really dead?  Maybe by dead you meant not posting anymore, therefore as good as dead.  I really hope the guy hasn't really passed on.....probably my fault for cursing him to hell over his scorching review of Crimson's Islands.

Going by the wikipedia entry, he's very much alive. Whoever said he's dead probably meant that he's not looking after his website anymore due to personal commitments, I guess, so he won't notice if you diss him, which he won't anyway if you diss him in here.  LOL


Posted By: Beastie!
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 04:21

Reading this guy's reviews is better than sex.



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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 08:21
Oh, my mistake. I actually heard that he'd died.


Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 09:50
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Oh, my mistake. I actually heard that he'd died.
 
really?


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Posted By: SilverEclipse
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 09:53
Although I do like reading his reviews, because they're possibly the most comprehensive on the 'net and you don't have to shuffle through tons of crappy, generic reader reviews, I really, really disagree with the guy on many points, especially prog. 

First, his definition of prog is EXTREMELY narrow.  Seriously, the guy really only acknowledges a handful of bands as actually being prog rock.  His most conspicuous absence is Pink Floyd, whom he categorizes as "art rock".  Now this in itself isn't bad, but he says they really only did ONE prog album (Atom Heart Mother), then focused on more simplictic song structures.  So, let's see....

-One Of These Days, a pure instrumental, building jam
-the 23-minutes, multi-part Echoes
-the Dark Side Of The Moon, originally conceived as one 40 minute piece
-the nearly half hour long Shine On You Crazy Diamond, with reoccuring themes and all
-the 3 song Animals album

... are apparently, to Mr. Starostin, simplistic and un-progressive.  Really? 

Second, as much as he wants to keep an open mind, he really has a stimga towards prog.  I mean, two of the five criteria he judges music on are resonance (which to him is emotional resonance, and that is purely subjective based on the person), and another category.... "adequacy".... and I really don't even know what the heck that means except every prog band seems to get a horrible score in that department. 

Third, he has a very pessimistic attitude towards music in general, basically saying rock has run it's course and that there is nothing left to do with it.  When it comes to prog, he feels that prog had given out everything it could give by.... wait for it.....

.......................1973!!!!!!!!!  Dude, 1973?  So several great Yes, King Crimson, and Pink Floyd albums are just thrown out, along with neo-prog, nu-prog, prog-metal, etc etc etc. 

Basically, he takes originality and puts such a ridiculously high value upon it that the natural process of bands influencing one another, which most accept, disqualifies him from even giving a chance to 95% of rock bands in existence. 

Overall, I like the site and his opinions are interesting at times, but the guy is too pessimistic, and overall, I don't care what he says, he doesn't GET prog and he never will. 


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 10:13
^^^

He's better than some other 'general' reviewers, especially Mark Prindle, and particularly in his approach to prog. I got the impression that he is actually a lot more sympathetic to the idea of making long rock songs with keyboards and jazz/classical influences than you'd expect people who are not hardcore into prog to be.  He's one of the few who has said that punk replacing prog was not a good thing in rock's development and I am not sure even I would agree with him about that.  Sure, his understanding of prog would not be as sharp or comprehensive as say yours, but I don't think he claims to be anything more than a casual prog fan.  The casual prog fan is a rare breed and we should be happy such a breed even exists, it's better than the usual love-hate circle jerk.  


Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 13:27
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

^^^

He's better than some other 'general' reviewers, especially Mark Prindle, and particularly in his approach to prog. I got the impression that he is actually a lot more sympathetic to the idea of making long rock songs with keyboards and jazz/classical influences than you'd expect people who are not hardcore into prog to be.  He's one of the few who has said that punk replacing prog was not a good thing in rock's development and I am not sure even I would agree with him about that.  Sure, his understanding of prog would not be as sharp or comprehensive as say yours, but I don't think he claims to be anything more than a casual prog fan.  The casual prog fan is a rare breed and we should be happy such a breed even exists, it's better than the usual love-hate circle jerk.  


But would you really want someone who hated you to partake in that circle jerk?

Anyway. I like the guy's reviews. I could say he has influenced my reviews, somewhat. He and I have completely opposite feelings toward hard rock, though. I disagree with what he says quite often.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 19:59
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

^^^

He's better than some other 'general' reviewers, especially Mark Prindle, and particularly in his approach to prog. I got the impression that he is actually a lot more sympathetic to the idea of making long rock songs with keyboards and jazz/classical influences than you'd expect people who are not hardcore into prog to be.  He's one of the few who has said that punk replacing prog was not a good thing in rock's development and I am not sure even I would agree with him about that.  Sure, his understanding of prog would not be as sharp or comprehensive as say yours, but I don't think he claims to be anything more than a casual prog fan.  The casual prog fan is a rare breed and we should be happy such a breed even exists, it's better than the usual love-hate circle jerk.  


But would you really want someone who hated you to partake in that circle jerk?

Anyway. I like the guy's reviews. I could say he has influenced my reviews, somewhat. He and I have completely opposite feelings toward hard rock, though. I disagree with what he says quite often.

I am afraid I don't quite follow you in that first sentence.  What sort of guy would hate me because I liked prog and he hated it?  What I meant anyway was that people either love prog and have listened to tons of it or they outright hate it and refuse to entertain the thought that some prog might be good music.  Starostin is a little more open minded in that respect; actually even though his understanding of metal too seems rather feeble, he has gone and tried a few bands..interesting!  


Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 13:57
Always been a big fan of good old George: he really got me into a lot of cool music. Say what you will, but he is really extensive on his site about all aspects of rock music and not just progressive rock. I got into Budgie, Caravan, Renaissance, the Left Bank, Procol Harum and PFM through his site. I also got very interested in Jethro Tull, Yes and Frank Zappa as a result of his reviews. The fact that I own every Jethro Tull, Yes and Frank Zappa album (give or take a few with Frank) shows how helpful he's been to my taste. I actually can't count the bands I've gotten into because of him. I don't always agree with him but I think he's always intelligent in what he says. And HE IS A HE and he's not dead but his father did die recently, one thing that kind of stopped his reviews from coming. Any man that speaks as many languages as him (read his bio again) has to have some intelligence going on upstairs. He's working on the Babel Project aka the language project that is attempting to find the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE from which all languages originated.

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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 13:59
Sorry to sound like a raving "fan boy" of the guy but I've been reading him for nine years and I honestly can't imagine what my taste would be like if I hadn't started reading him. Probably a lot more like Mark Prindle: as it is, I'm a mix between them and John McFerrin.

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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 16:57
Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

Sorry to sound like a raving "fan boy" of the guy but I've been reading him for nine years and I honestly can't imagine what my taste would be like if I hadn't started reading him. Probably a lot more like Mark Prindle: as it is, I'm a mix between them and John McFerrin.
 
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 05:59
I have observed his site a lot lately. He seems to know his rock history pretty well, just making a few screw ups every now and then. But like every critic he has a pretty irritating elitist attitude. Though I guess the softies aren't as interesting to people and I perfectly understand that.
 
For one I stand his bias towards the "pioneers" and against newer rock music.
 
He's not too biased against prog and even defends it from it's harsher critics a lot of times so that I can appreciate. I'm more bothered by how obsessed he is with a band's originality and he seems to equate originality with creating a new subgenre, as in if a band hasn't created their own genre then it doesn't matter how unique they are, they aren't original at all.
 
And also giving Yes a 2 in diversity and The Rolling Stones a 5 is pretty ridiculous. Oh and I'm a Uriah Heep fan. Dead
 
Still he is one of the better music critics (not saying much). A hell of a lot better than Prindle that's for sure, that guy is a lunatic and his reviews always devolve in ridiculously incoherent rants and what I assume is an attempt at humor. Why is that guy so popular? His reviews are absolutely terrible.


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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 06:19
I really like his reviews, I generally agree with most of them. too bad his site isn't updated anymore (or at least no new band bio's or new albums are added anymore).
 
Love how he bashes Uriah Heep Pig


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 10:58
There are a lot of assertions in general about music he makes that I don't agree with at all, in particular how he evaluates melody and diversity (in which Lennon solo and Dylan are better writers of melody than Stevie Wonder Dead).  Or his tendency to dismiss anything he cannot immediately grasp as dissonant. Confused  He also said somewhere that a really great album should not have to be heard half a dozen times to appreciate it, and I disagree with that too. BUT he generally expresses these biased views in a polite and reasonable tone, and never pretending that they are facts, just that that's the way he perceives music.  Which is why his reviews are easy on the eye.


Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 12:22
I like George, so much so I was often accused in years past of being a "George Clone."  Our music tastes synch up about 80% of the time, and I'm not going to lie and pretend my writing wasn't, at least in the early stages of my site, very heavily influenced by his style (I've tried to purge the more blatant George-isms from my writing since then, though I still think "Banksynths" is a hilarious word and I've tried my best to keep it alive).  I don't read him much nowadays, though; there's really not much point at this juncture, mostly because I consumed his site so heavily in the first half of the 00's.
 
"I really like his reviews, I generally agree with most of them. too bad his site isn't updated anymore (or at least no new band bio's or new albums are added anymore). "
 
 
Not true.  He's doing all of his writing now in a new format linked from the main page.


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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 09:01
Yeah I'm not fond of his Tony Banks or Gilmour bashing. And now everyone has to use words like "banksynths" and "dentistry" ad nauseum until I can't take it anymore.
 
I also hate his rating system and disagree with a huge portion of it. Giving Black Sabbath a D and ABBA a C? Wuh?


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Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 10:00
George doesn't like his old rating system much anymore either.  In his new reviews, he's just giving everything a "thumbs up" or a "thumbs down."
 
 
ABBA is wonderful.


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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 10:30
I haven't looked too much at his old site.
 
I'd agree about ABBA. Hardly ever listen to them any more though. Good music is good music, regardless of whether it has 17 minutes of guitar solos or not. Example: I bought five Kraftwerk albums, four Miles Davis albums and two Todd Rundgren albums (Runt and Todd).
 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:04
I wouldn't rate ABBA over Black Sabbath, but I don't necessarily find George doing so so objectionable too.   I don't really know why rock fans are obliged to hate ABBA or something, but that's the feeling I got from reading some of the comments on his ABBA page. On that note, I do think he is a little impatient and harsh with metal, but it's not a beast everyone comes to terms with so that's not so surprising.  


Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:21
He is REALLY biased against metal. And against most newer forms of music in general.
 
Though really, he doesn't bother me too much, his arrogance is compensated for by at least not being stupid, I can't say the same for the great majority of people who post comments on his site, they're just arrogant AND stupid.


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:25
Yeah, he doesn't pretend to be a know it all on metal or that people who like it are daft. He admits honestly that he is not a specialist and doesn't really dig it but can still find some albums to like in it.  


Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 16:53
Well I dunno the guy has said a lot of comments about how "there are very few metal bands who aren't really dumb", not an exact quote but statements that are just as personal, he seems to think metal really is a stupid genre for stupid people. It goes beyond ignorant, I think the guy has a personal problem with metalheads that stems from very troubling childhood memories. Geek
 
His biases against certain bands are very evident too.


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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 17:39
I like his reviews (and I'm pretty sure it's a guy.)  It's obvious that he has biases, but it's still nice that there is a critic out there who puts Prog on a high pedestal.
 
What do you all here think of Piero Scaruffi?  He's a pretty tough critic, favoring mostly experimental records, although he does hold some Prog on a high pedestal (mainly Krautrock and Canterbury.)  He's never given an album a perfect 10/10 and only a handful of others have garnered 9-9.5/10's. The album he considers to be the all-time greatest rock album has always remained Trout Mask Replica, branding it the only rock album of the 20th century worth hearing (which is strange considering the money he must spend on Rock CD's to write all those reviewsHe's extremely influential on the internet, with some user-made lists on Best Ever Albums and Rate Your Music pretty much copying his and arranging it a little bit.LOL  I also think he is the cause of the resurgence of Trout Mask Replica's and other experimental rock bands' popularity.  He's also famous for hating the Beatles and refuting their influence on Pop music.
 
Personally, I think he's a little pretentious, but he does offer some interesting insights that can change the way you view Pop music.  It does annoy me that other than the albums in the 7.5-9.5 range, almost all the others are between 4-6, which puts some phenomenal albums among some real stinkers.  His website is mostly in Italian, though, so for the most part you can only see the ratings unless you know the language.


Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 15:36
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

I like his reviews (and I'm pretty sure it's a guy.)  It's obvious that he has biases, but it's still nice that there is a critic out there who puts Prog on a high pedestal.
 
What do you all here think of Piero Scaruffi?  He's a pretty tough critic, favoring mostly experimental records, although he does hold some Prog on a high pedestal (mainly Krautrock and Canterbury.)  He's never given an album a perfect 10/10 and only a handful of others have garnered 9-9.5/10's. The album he considers to be the all-time greatest rock album has always remained Trout Mask Replica, branding it the only rock album of the 20th century worth hearing (which is strange considering the money he must spend on Rock CD's to write all those reviewsHe's extremely influential on the internet, with some user-made lists on Best Ever Albums and Rate Your Music pretty much copying his and arranging it a little bit.LOL  I also think he is the cause of the resurgence of Trout Mask Replica's and other experimental rock bands' popularity.  He's also famous for hating the Beatles and refuting their influence on Pop music.
 
Personally, I think he's a little pretentious, but he does offer some interesting insights that can change the way you view Pop music.  It does annoy me that other than the albums in the 7.5-9.5 range, almost all the others are between 4-6, which puts some phenomenal albums among some real stinkers.  His website is mostly in Italian, though, so for the most part you can only see the ratings unless you know the language.
 
A little pretentious?
 
I really can't stand that guy at all.
 
Though NO critic is as bad as Christgau or Sheffield.  No one.


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Posted By: enzando
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 11:57
Again we have your typical record review type person. He made a comment about the Carpenters that really showed his ignorance. He said the Duo's (or, rather, Karen's talent) ...anyone knows that as great as Karen sang, Richard was the one who wrote the arrangements, searched and picked the material that would best suit Karen. Was responsible for the "sound" the Carpenters had. Sang and arranged all the Backing Vocals. Overdubbed all the Backing Vocals with Karen. etc...Had all the great ideas. Played perfect Piano and Keyboards. Mixed all the records. Karen's solo album is proof that Richard was responsible in a huge way for the success of the duo. All that said I feel Karen was one of the best pop vocalists ever. But to make a reference that Richard's talent had nothing to do with the success of the duo, really shows lack of talent as a reviewer.


Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 12:05
Yeah, his bias is pretty noticable a lot of times, especially his dislike of metal.
 
At least his reviews can qualify as actual reviews. The other big internet music critic, Mark Prindle, just makes a bunch of incredibly unfunny stupid ramblings that have absolutely nothing to do with anything. His writing skills are identical to that of an ADD aflicted Chimpanzee.


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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 13:10
I'd say that he finds the BEST element of the Carpenters to be Karen's voice. I think he just dislikes or disregards Richard's arrangements and singing as weak. That's not ignorance just a difference of opinion. Not saying his opinion is perfect but I think calling him ignorant is rather harsh. Name another online record reviewer that would actually give the Carpenters the time of day at ALL. He doesn't judge them as harshly as others I've read. 

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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 13:14
Mark may have fairly incoherent reviews but I'll say this in his defense: he's actually a good person and a nice guy. He actually corresponds and interacts with his fans on Facebook and Myspace like a normal person, not as a quasi-internet celebrity. Imagine, say, Stephen Thomas Entwistle (I know it's not Entwistle but I'm blanking on his last name and not interested in looking it up) interacting with his fans in the same way and you see the difference. I disregard Mark's sporadic writing for this reason and because he's not a professional reviewer. Just an amateur.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 27 2011 at 01:17
Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

I'd say that he finds the BEST element of the Carpenters to be Karen's voice. I think he just dislikes or disregards Richard's arrangements and singing as weak. That's not ignorance just a difference of opinion. Not saying his opinion is perfect but I think calling him ignorant is rather harsh. Name another online record reviewer that would actually give the Carpenters the time of day at ALL. He doesn't judge them as harshly as others I've read. 

Exactly. I have read his Carpenter reviews and there are in fact a lot of references to Richard's role. I don't know if that is exactly what he thinks, but I'd personally agree with an assessment that Richard's arrangements are quite sappy and mushy and it's Karen's singing that breathes life into them.  This comes out even on comparing their versions (er, many of Richard's 'compositions' were simply rearrangements of Paul Williams songs) to that of other artists; often the latter have better arrangements but Karen's singing just makes a much more distinct impression.  And common sense dictates that a singer needs a composer and arranger to put together albums but there's no need to double-triple emphasise the arranger's role and 'distribute credit' evenly between the two because the mark of a great singer is to make mediocre arrangements appealing or at least to make the listener ignore them and focus on the singing.  I had a similar argument with some Dunford fanboy (who was also a Carpenters fan) and given the tone of his (enzando) post, I wonder if it's not the same person.



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