Zeitgeist, THE MOVIE
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Topic: Zeitgeist, THE MOVIE
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Subject: Zeitgeist, THE MOVIE
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 04:42
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I can only imagine the amount of material there is when it comes to the subject of conspiracies within a government. But I happen to stumble over this one from a room mate of mine. He had an excerpt of the full video and just the small portion determined me to search out the full video, which took 2 seconds. After watching the video I was blown away at how much of my own beliefs were covered and reinforced within the video. The movie is divided into three parts. Part 1 - touches on religion, Part 2 - deals with the major events that brought the US into the great wars of WW1, WW2, Vietnam, and this one. And Part 3 - gets pretty insane with how the federal reserve is controlling the world. I'll believe all of the material, along with discovering all of the other sources to back up the info, until disproven otherwise.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ - http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Well, has anyone else put the time (roughly 2 hours) into this particular movie? It is definitely a worth while watch. Or any other past materials out there that blew you away when watching for the first time, that brought you into the the conspiracy world?
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Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 02:07
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I saw this a while ago and really enjoyed it. I liked everything except the 9/11 conspiracy part. I'm not too keen on 9/11 conspiracies... but I am a big believer in government corruption, flaws of religion, and things like that. The movie is definitely worth checking out if you've ever been interested in that kind of stuff.
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 07:04
| ^ The 9/11 portion is touchy subject or something? Just curious. |
Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 07:53
In my experience there are three kinds of responses when the topic of conspiracies come up: going with the status quo on the topic (i.e. the media version of events), a knee jerk reaction to disbelieve them on principle (these people tend to be obsessed with science, not that that's a bad thing at all), and those who have a propensity to either believe, or at least be intrigued by them partially because of their mysterious and esoteric nature (with a dash of paranoia ).Personally I put myself in the last group, but only if the "conspiracy" seems plausible and has a clear motive. A little off topic but people's responses always intrigue me when it comes to conspiracies. |
Posted By: Harmonium
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 16:29
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Yeah, I watched that movie myself, after a friend recommended it to me. I was totally blown away and shocked. If all that is true, the near future will be pretty dark for us human beings. Still, Zeitgeist is not the most troubling free conspiracy movie I've seen. Recently, I've discovered this one, and the predictions are far worst. Watch it, and tell me what you think :
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009
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Posted By: telecaster90
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 20:55
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I've seen the religion part and about half of the 9/11 part. The religion segments were very eye opening. I was an atheist before watching Zeitgeist, but I found a lot of the stuff very interesting.
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 21:36
Amazing, just finished up with it. Except the very last 5 minutes didn't load for some reason. It's trully unbelievable how everything ties into one another. Yet when most people view the video they express how the concept of the video is "eye opening" they completely throw it from their mind and continue on with their controlled lives later on. Does everone hope that what is contained in this material isn't true and hopes for their "comfortable lives" to go on?
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Harmonium wrote:Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 21:38
Same here. IF you haven't seen the third part than I'd highly recommend it since it concludes with mentioning the ultimate goals of those "behind the curtains."
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 21:45
Most people are lazy. They watch one video on a conspiracy, read a book on the subject and believe they hold all the truth of the world after their "exstensive" studies in the matter. Then they try to spread the ideas to others to soon find out that they can't defend their brand new beliefs due to lack of knowledge. They don't know how to react when some other "facts" are thrown at them to oppose their beliefs.
I've had some experiences in the past trying to "spread the truth of the world" to others to only realize that all I am doing is sounding like an idiot to these people. So now I'll let those who are experts at explaining the subject sound their voice to the willing ear.
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:07
Oh God no no no no no no no not this again...Next someone will post bloody Loose Change. Please, everyone, don't watch this, save yourself from irrevocably wasting two hours of your life on complete nonsense. Incidentally, why is it that these movies have the worst pacing possible?
Well anything related to 9/11 is, but mostly an exceptionally dumb one. We also already had that http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23465 - debacle of a thread .
You read it on the internet. It MUST be true! ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:25
It's better to question things then to assume "the truth" you were told all your life. What harm is there in questioning the reality you live in?
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:32
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Sure, you should question, but the questions become stupid once you're ignoring evidence and logic. By the way, I did watch a significant part of Loose Change and read some of the rebuttals, so don't break out the sheeple.
I fail to see what's so revalatory about it anyway. The beginning is simply stating, in an unbelievably biased way, that religions did not develop in a vacuum and were influenced by other religions, and some people are ignorant about their religion and its history (ZOMG!). The middle part is just Loose Change again (speaking of it, http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/ - debunking it and other 9/11 conspiracies--or you can http://www.lolinfowars.co.nr/ - read it ), and the end is the standard Illuminati/New World Order nonsense.
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZQRmTu74s - hahaha . ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:35
Don't worry, I didn't go to college.
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:36
| Plus, all I have seen is evidence against the "truths" we were told. Or the truths told to the masses. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:49
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Ok, fine, let's do some research. If my first link was too snarky for you, here's some more:
http://www.debunking911.com/index.html - One
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1 - Two
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html - Three
Read that, and stop falling for manipulated selective information internet bullsh*t. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:51
| Wait, let me view the first one, first. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 22:58
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Ok, although I would advise just reading these things because Loose Change is almost as retardedly long as Zeitgeist. I mean, I'm not going to argue this with you because those sites say everything I could possibly say, and if you still believe it after all that there's nothing I can do to pursuade you. On a lighter note, these are http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_oliver_stone_9_11_film - relevant and http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons - interesting . ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 23:02
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3 hours. Gonna take a while.....or three hours.Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 23:06
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Note: I advise against watching Loose Change in any form, it is long and dumb. There are plenty of other sources to refute its and other lies that you can just read and so take way less time. http://xkcd.com/258/ - More relevance ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 23:23
| This is your evidence against conspiracy theories in general? So I'm the one looking at manipulated snips of video put together and you have webcomics. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 23:32
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...The comics are a joke. I agree with it, but it's not evidence and I'm not claiming it is. The evidence is in the other links that are not from Maddox or The Onion. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 00:37
| So riddle me this. Do you have complete faith in your government to the point you don't have to question their doings? I want to assume you're from the US. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 00:48
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No, of course not. But that is irrelevant to the fact that 9/11 conspiracies are baseless speculation that is refuted by actual evidence. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 00:59
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So what did happen to the towers? A plane hit them, obviously enough. But why did they fall? And I don't want to hear anything about the 911 Comissions Report because that's a very flakey document. |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 01:12
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 01:17
Not exactly what I was hoping for, but I did leave myself open for that.
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 01:22
Because a plane hit them. This is extremely simple, really.
As opposed to your absolutely ironclad internet documentary. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 01:30
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Alright, I'm convinced. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 01:38
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Seriously? Awesome. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 01:40
| Wanna go out and get something to eat? |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 19:27
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Nah, I'm not hungry. Man I wish all my other discussions were this easy to resolve. ;-) ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 19:48
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I don't need a movie for me to know that religion is bull and honestly who cares if 9/11 was a conspericy, I don't like terrorists or our government either way ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:42
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VERY interesting (about 30 minutes in now). I'd like to fact-check some of the congruences between religions myself, though. RE: conspiracies.... While its silly to believe stuff a random movie that could be posted by anyone or a sensationalist program on the History channel, it would be equally silly to believe that with all the world powers now being able to meet so easily and with our world becoming truly globally connected, that there are not at least some secret orders or plans going on behind closed doors. Not to say it's anything already stated, but there's probably something going on. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Scourge441
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 23:06
People have. Search Youtube for Zeitgeist Rebuttal, you'll find loads of stuff about the religion stuff. Basically, just because there are similarities between two religions doesn't mean one stole from the other. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 23:38
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^ Yeah, I was thinking along those lines.
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 06:26
Yeah, but ever since the attacks look at how much of our privacy can be tapped into now. For an example, look at the PATRIOT Act.
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 21:17
The movie is very good at pointing out the Elite power structure of the world and it is very real. As to 9/11, well that is old news, anyone who still thinks that a bunch of guys in a cave pulled that off are simply naive. Or put another way, buildings don't commit suicide, ha ha ha ha
If you care to do your homework and spend the time to do the research you will soon discover that this world has been run by a small group of people for an awful long time. For many it is simply too difficult for them to get their heads around such concepts. To me it rather obvious as to what is going on.
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 22:12
Sigh...And I suppose all the links I gave, written by actual scientists instead of people with too much free time, do nothing for you? ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 22:55
No sorry, not a thing. To me it is so obvious as to be joke. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I knew the day it happened that it was a inside job pulled off by the Military Industrial Complex. The reasons are painfully obvious to me, but I'm not about to get into it with you because if you can't see it,.....well I'm not about to try and convince you otherwise.
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Posted By: SpaceMonkey
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 22:55
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^ Can we have a discussion with our "radical ideas" without anyone bashing the whole subject. You don't have to come to the thread. Plus we've already seen your cartoons. |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 22:59
Have fun kids.
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