Prog Reviewers or Special Collaborators
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Topic: Prog Reviewers or Special Collaborators
Posted By: The Pessimist
Subject: Prog Reviewers or Special Collaborators
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 12:17
How do I become a prog reviewer or above in rank? Please explain, thanks. 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 12:43
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Please see this thread:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13080 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13080 ------------- 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 16:59
Wow ! One thing I sort of uncomfortable is the "experts" title. I certainly don`t consider myself an expert by any stretch in anything. I`ve listened to a lot of music, sure. But so has the next guy. I`ll read any guy`s review. I also find the worst reviewers in general are the guys who write for NME, Rolling Stone, The WIre ( got to be the worst ). So for me I don`t think it really matters whether thhere`s that title underneath the Avatar. I think it`s important to give the most honest and entertaining evaluation as possible. My two cents.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 17:17
easy actually ...... wanna be a Prog Reviewer write good reviews  Want to be more than that...reviews are not unnecessary..... necessary hahhaha. There have been several that got way up in 'rank' as you call it with like 5 or 10 reviews or less like in my case. I had none and was told to write them It is about showing you know prog.. and have an interest in getting involved in the site and working for the man so to speak. In short having an opinion.. sticking to it.... though being right or at least coherent helps as well. In all seriousness though... those kinds of posters are generally recognized by the admins or genre teams and then 'invited' to join as collaborators.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
kibble_alex wrote:Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 18:36
The tag "Expert" is not as common as you would suppose - we only have two collaborators with that title.
We do have some 20+ "Specialists" which has a slightly different meaning - someone can specialise without necessarily being an expert. ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 18:39
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exactly Dean.... put it this way... there are those.. like Dick Heath.. who are 'experts'... then us who are learning to be experts ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 18:41
should be 3 ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 19:02
Of course a good start would be to learn how to spell Collaborators
 /edit - thanks for correcting that  ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 19:08
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 16:30
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I'm going to try and become the site's Pop/Indie Rock-specialist. Seriously, though, is it totally necessary to write a biography for a band to become a prog reviewer? Have everybody done this who is one? ------------- 
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 13:20
You'll have to fight me over the indie specialist title. Or we could be co-specialists, you know, whatever works.  -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 13:26
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*starts to crave the lauded j-pop and cabaret specialist title*
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 13:55
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..' |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:04
That's where we put the prog bands ------------- <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 17:42
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Then why are people who come to the site just to check out an album mislead by that section which says " experts / collaborators " It sort of implies that we have Phds or some professional qualification. I can`t see how anyone can be an " expert " in the field of reviewing just because they`ve listened to a zillion albums. I would think the term collaborator should be enough ( did I spell that correctly ). Or enthusiast could be another term which could be used. I would definitely consider myself an enthusiast since I`ve been listening to music since the mid 16th century. But.... I don`t make the rules. ------------- |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:05
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..' |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:19
ahhh.. you don't become an expert by listening... you do by learning....reading... studying... understanding.. not merely listening. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:46
You're welcome!  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:49
I got my freakin`old man to read some of my reviews and he got pissed at me for lying about being an expert on music ! So this is where I`m coming from. ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 16:57
I'll check that review out.. prog rock is not necessarily a scholarly thing.. of course not. However as we like to say in the genre teams.. none of us are experts... we merely strive to be. Not just knowing the albums.. the music. Any dork with musical education can break the music down and put people to sleep with technical explanation about the inherent complexities of the music. In my line of thinking.. 'experts'.. as it relates to here....are those who look, know and understand the background to which the music was made. The history of their particular field if you will. Who just don't listen.. but understand the music. Not sure if I'm making any sense.. but that is par for the course ..of course hahha. Of those 'experts' .. in my mind..... we probably have very few. Only a handful on this site come immediately to mind. We do have a lot of people here... that strive not just to collect albums.. but understand the context in which those albums are made... that is what separates the experts and those who strive to be, from those who meerly listen to albums. Not that there is anything wrong with just getting your rocks off just listening to music. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 17:06
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First of all, your guile skill needs to be at least level 15, or else you'll never convince us. Of course, you could try to sneak in, but you'll need a level 25 sneak skill plus a blinding spell, and honestly, if you don't have a level 15 guile skill I seriously doubt you have a level 25 sneak skill.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 17:12
hahahha.. the guile skill is overrated... if he has a level 20 intimidation skill he can make up for a deficient guile skill. 
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 18:22
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Technically, James and Erik are the only two experts on the site at the moment. At least in title.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 15:15
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And I guess that is end of that. ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 15:43
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 10:38
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I was just getting interested with this. In all seriousness, can someone here tell me what constitutes a bloody " expert " ? And why can`t we change the word " expert " to enthusiast. I don`t have a problem with collaborator ( did I spell that correctly ? ) But expert nahh. ------------- |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 17:46
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Seriously Ian, there really are only two Special Collaborators with the title "expert" and only one of them is currently active on the PA at this moment in time. Whether these two individuals are experts in their chosen fields I am not qualified to judge, certainly Erik's knowledge of the Symphonic subgenre is well recognised outside the PA and James's (née Geck0) knowledge of RIO is pretty formidable in its own right.
(taken from: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_COLLABORATORS.asp - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_COLLABORATORS.asp )
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=3283 - Discogs Team/Symph./RIO Expert
Joined date: 7/4/2005 | Posts: 36827| Last visit: 2/25/2008 3:33:43 PM EST http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=3684 - Symphonic Prog Expert Joined date: 7/27/2005 | Posts: 7039| Last visit: 1/8/2008 4:58:56 PM EST ------------- What? |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 19:23
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I like to think of it as discussing it in the terms of the average fan. I am not a musical scholar in the classic sense, but I have devoted quite a bit of my free time to it. Through my work here, I have come to understand quite a bit more about prog, especially the areas I specialize in. That may not make me an expert per-se, but hopefully that makes me someone who can be a useful resource. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 27 2008 at 13:41
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Would you consider Buddha to be an expert ? My dogs, Harriet and Ozzy, think they are experts in various fields but because I love them as I do my wife, I don't have the heart to break the sad news to them. What about that earthquake in north London.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: February 27 2008 at 19:20
Thank you VB for the comment on the "assumed" difference in quality in PA reviews based on the title. While many collabs & reviewers here tend to be worth the while re : recommendations; there are an equal amount of "honest & entertaining evaluations" done by other plebes here at PA that have lead me to great music. Example - Night Sun's Mournin' ... great reviews (including mine) but none from the "experts". And I have seen some threads where a collab or reviewer states that reviews done by the hoi polloi are of no interest to him. Not because of a lack of a track record for comparison's sake, but because they are not or have not been deemed "entitled to a title".... As an aside, more than once, a newbie's review of one of the many classic albums in the prog pantheon has gotten me back to listening to an album or giving it a second chance. To re-quote your comment - honest & entertaining evaluation ... a fan's enthusiasm may just well light the fire. p.s. Erik's many threads & reviews always exhibit a fan's enthusiasm for exploring & sharing the wealth of great music out there. If anyone can find even a hint of elitism or an air of superiority, I would be very surprised. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |