Member Privileges
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Category: Site News, Newbies, Help and Improvements
Forum Name: Help us improve the site
Forum Description: Help us improve the forums, and the site as a whole
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Topic: Member Privileges
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Subject: Member Privileges
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:06
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EDIT: the text below is my full original post, but since then the subject has changed. Please skim ahead if you would like to comment on the "pop-up" idea... Now I don't usually visit the Improvements forum, but allow me to suggest an idea under the assumption that it has not specifically come up before... I have been a member for nearly a year now, and browsed the site for probably 6 months before I even joined, and I remember some of the confusion with the forums as far as getting used to what are old/used topics, using the search function for new threads, and generally learning how the interaction between members of all ranks goes. The last month or so here, things seem to be getting a little boring with topics that are coming up, and I've noticed that quite a few of them seem to be popping up from brand new members to the site... and ending up on the front page. I embrace new members to the forum and people who would like to share their interests in progressive rock (and other areas), but I feel that the privileges for the bottom three "ranks" of members may need to be altered. As only Collaborators and Prog Reviewers (I believe) have the exclusive privilege of editing their reviews, the other ranks should have some significance beyond their current state. For example, I don't think that Newbies, and possibly Groupies as well, should have the privilege to start threads/polls. Even when someone has browsed the site before joining (as I did), they still aren't acclimatized to our little community right away. In order to make being a senior member somewhat significant, as well as to reduce the amount of repetition on the forums, the site amins/owners could only allow Newbies and groupies to post comments. If this idea sounds too extreme, it would even be beneficial to only restrict "young-un" posting of threads in the prog music lounge. Additionally, as ranks stand now, one must only make 100 posts (or so) to become a senior member, so those restricted members really wouldn't be restricted for that long. Anyways, comments are of course appreciated, and I'd be glad to clarify my view if anyone needs it... I'll check back a little later to see what you all think - thanks! ------------- 
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:15
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Totally politically incorrect, but i like it. I might be the only one, though.
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:43
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In short: the problems you mention do exist, but I doubt if your suggested solutions will address them in the way you intend to. Long version: We ask members to introduce themselves in the Newbies section, we ask them to start new threads when suggesting a band in Unsigned or Suggest New Bands, we ask them to start new threads when reporting Errors & Omissions, or when reporting bugs. All of that will become inavailable to new members if we follow your line of reasoning. Just imagine the reaction of a band joining the forum to suggest their works in Unsigned Bands, Suggest New Bands or Music/Musicians Exchange... On the other hand, I can see some advantages in the area of polls... As for the ranks and the number of posts: how important are these titles and numbers? I know of members that have joined as early as 2005, and posted less than 100 posts. In some cases, each one of these posts has been more valuable than some the one liners posted by others (including those of my own - so no finger pointing here  ).So - yes, you have spotted an issue, but no, I don't think you've found the solution yet. Keep 'em coming though  ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 18:54
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That is true, Angelo. There is nothing that says a noob can't write great stuff, but the fact is that posts do count. Maybe not so much the number as the fact that you are around and seem to know the place and what your're talking about, but i am pretty sure it matters. , There are many posts to read, and i dio think they weigh heavier if the poster's name isn't "yes12121332_gh", have one post under their belt and no avatar/signature whatsoever. That my be judgemental and wrong, but that's how it is. Until you prove yourself by not being an ass, that is. :) -------------
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 19:06
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Erk. :( I like this idea in as much as it protects the home page. It's also true that a lot of new posters dive in without lurking and rehash the same old topics, and it's equally true that that type of poster burns out, inevitably so. but... don't you think that this is the sort of idea that would discourage people signing up in the first place? It'd be a dire first impression and we'd have to cope with those misinformed "what about freedom of speech?!?!" screeds all the more. I read the forum a lot, and I've noticed that people sign up to make a single post looking for recommendations or help with identifying a song. Maybe they'd feel patronised if we tried to reel them in through having to inflate their post count, first. It's nice that we can actually provide some sort of service when people post queries, and no-one'd be all that encouraged if they had to write them into one mega-huge compendium of newbie posts... Post count's my least favourite feature among internet forum ideas, and although we're all fairly civil here, in other moods it's one more way of cowing new members, or making them artificially bump very old threads. I'd rather be the artificial way of bumping very old threads. ;P As much as it erks the long-term forumites, I'd prefer a brief flurry of forum activity over a ghost town where everyone takes turn to type "Mr. Bungle rocks!" in the VR. (not that they don't =P) basically I'd like to see some clarification of your idea. How would you mollify the new, restricted posters? If the answer is "dangle the hundred post carrot" then remember that there are other prog forums and we'd be driving away potential members here. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 19:12
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You are so right, laplace. It's all about karma. We need to have patience with the new guys, another "best prog bands" is easy to just ignore, and no one really makes them out of spite, they just want to socialise. Open heart, open arms, that's what we need!
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 21:43
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Thanks for your comments guys. I understand how I may sound a little exclusive/elitist with my idea, but in all truth I really want to see the site grow with an expanding user base just as much as many of my peers here. I guess my main motivation in this topic is to stop seeing such repetition in the main prog lounge and the prog polls - so really just the top two forums under the "progressive music lounges" forum label. If somehow the site can just restrict the creation of topics and polls in those two categories - the top two that are under the "Forum New Topics" on the PA home page - I believe that it would address your apprehensions, Angelo, as far as the ability for new members to still be able to participate in the unsigned bands, music suggestions, errors and omissions, etc. forums through creation of threads. Iaplace, I'm not one to tout post counts, but I think that a significant amount of "forum experience" does come from a significant number of posts. I totally agree with whomever stated that infrequent posters have much to offer to the site, so maybe the proposed "senior member" requirement would be too harsh... I think even if the prerequisite was Groupie it would still make a difference in the type of threads that pop up. For anyone who is interested, another incentive of the "restriction" is that the site will have many less threads that are placed in the wrong spot (I believe). Countless times, I have seen new threads in those "top two" forums - the prog lounge and prog polls - all beginning with a statement along the lines of "I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but..." We get topics about band appreciation, private collection sales (like E-bay auctions), and favorites/lists, among many other types of incorrectly-placed topics. It's not a HUGE issue, I suppose, but it takes time away from admins needing to move the topics and frustrates members looking for a stimulating discussion. I will openly admit myself that one of the first posts I made on the site was in the "Prog Music Lounge" forum, where I started a thread that linked to the main page complaining about why less-than-4-star members can't edit their reviews. And I can guarantee it would have been a lot easier (and less embarrassing) process if I was blocked from posting on that forum and was instead forced to find the appropriate forum for that type of thing. So do I have any converts yet? -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 13 2008 at 21:50
true, but at least these people show the thought and courtesy to point out their possible faux pas |
ClassicRocker wrote:Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 01:35
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@ClassicRocker: Nice update - you're thinking this through thorougly. Making it less restrictive in that way makes it loose some disadvantages indeed @Evans: I see your point, but likely in those cases the unorginal name and absence of an avatar may tell you enough.... ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 03:05
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Personally, I think CR's suggestion has some merit. Being online quite often (though nowadays not as often than before), I have realised that the general level of new threads is not very high, and the rehash of the same, old, tired topics is rife - while very interesting threads (such as the ones about prog as postmodernism, or 'scientific vs romantic') don't elicit the same response. owever, barring newbies from posting new threads would be definitely undemocratic, as well as being very bad publicity for the site (news spread quickly over the web, and no other forum that I know of enforces the same policy). Moreover, we do occasionally have newbies who are smart, mature individuals and try to contribute constructively to the forums right from day 1. Such a policy would damage them, and very likely run them off. I believe newbies should be guided gently, especially if they show signs of being civil, polite people. On the other hand, no mercy should be shown to anyone who behaves like a potential troll
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 13:31
I've thought about this as well, CR, and as much as it would be great to cut down on repeat threads and such, I don't feel we should limit newbies out of hand. I've seen many a first post/thread full of intelligent points that can lead to a nice discourse. Having said that, if I see another "Is x the new y?" or "DT vs Yes/Rush/Chuck Norris/Satan", I will scream. 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 14:18
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Can we just send electrical shocks over the net to those who post a repeat thread? Kind of a Pavlov's Dog treatment, give people enough electrical shocks they'll stop repeat posts. Although I am not sure how many repeat offenders there are anyhow, after the barrage of "This has already been done" responses that usually follows. ------------- 
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 18:09
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Ghost Rider - I have also been online slightly less lately, and have noticed that trend of fewer posts in some of the more original threads. Of course we should be democratic and whatnot to the newbies, but I wonder if you have read my update regarding the restriction on just the top two forums on the PA home page (?) I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that only once in a while we get a highly respectable and thoughtful, mature new member, who could possibly begin a new topic in those two forums that's simply amazing. And who also posts infrequently. But the majority of the time, we don't get those types of new members - instead we end up with mostly young, "less-mature" adolescents (I being included in that category) under 20 years old. About half of the most frequent site visitors are made up of that group alone, according to the statistics here http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=703&PN=1&RN=3 I don't know if that makes a difference to you, GR, but I find it an interesting statistic that can often be reflected in some of what I see on the site. Trolls are most frequently in that age group as well. (Disclaimer: please don't get angered or offended by any generalizations I may (or may not) have made in the last few statements - I'm just trying to prove a point) and Angelo - at this point I think that's the best I got for you Well, thanks again for the responses, and I think I may have run out of ways to rephrase this particular suggestion. Just an additional question for personal reference (that may be relevant to what I'm discussing here): Exactly how many posts are required for a member to rank-up from a newbie to a groupie? Can I get an exact number from one of you higher-ups that knows? -------------
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 18:20
I know you probably didn't mean this, but please don't bring age into it. Quite a number of us are young, yet we can contribute just as much. A lot of us are prog reviewers, and there are even a few collabs. I know that myself and at least a few other young posters have to work extra hard to win any respect, and I remember one famous case where troll came in and spammed the forum and discounted all of our opinions due to our age. I try not to feed the trolls (I often fail, but I do try), but that enraged me. The man was clearly an idiot, yet a number of us prog reviewers where in essence called stupid for essentially liking any prog album released after 1976. Again, I know I'm reading too much into this, but go back to your youth and think about how utterly incensing it was to be dismissed out of hand because of age. Post count is no guarantee of maturity. For one thing, I know I've racked up a lot of posts in the Just For Fun and General Discussions sections, as have everyone else. One could easily hit 100 posts in a few days and then proceed to start nonsense threads. As much as I hate to see repeat threads (especially ones that will in no way spark a healthy debate about music), this site is nicely moderated, so multiple threads don't last long. I hate to shoulder responsibility on the admins over expecting people to post something worthwhile and somewhat original, but A) that is their job and B) the many should not be limited for the idiocies of the few. |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 20:49
 Well it seems that you may have found a logical fallacy of mine, Jake (if I may call you that). You are right, the age thing is pretty unfair for me to have said... which is why I put that little *disclaimer* in there. As I said, I'm 16 myself and fall into that group, but I am merely using some of those statements to help out my position. That is the goal of an argument, isn't it? I am completely aware that we contribute greatly to the site, and that there are many in our group. And I don't want to turn this thread into a lengthy discussion on ages of members and how relevant their respective posts and topics are, but I would say that you could attribute the large number of reviewers/collabs as fairly proportional to our age group's overall size, compared to the others. "I'm just saying..." (Once again, no offense meant to anyone from what I have said... I know that sometimes I am not the most tactful person in my opinions). My main argument here is NOT that post count equates with maturity (and I oppose that sentiment). Instead, I'm simply stating that post count, to a significant degree, does equate with familiarity with the forum, which is ultimately what causes the major aches and pains in the forums. Lingering trolls have been a fairly rare occurrence in my experience on the site. -------------
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 21:02
I remember that guy Jake. Didn't quite like him so much ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 21:11
It's all good. I knew that's not how you meant it, but man does it get old when I hear someone smugly dismiss things I say based on my age (this being an election year, I'm already hungry for blood). At the end of the day, you just gotta stress the use of the search function. I think that when anyone joins ANY forum, they should show newbies how to use the search function of that site in order to avoid unnecessary clogging (not to mention flaming). I don't know how many would read it, but I hear all too often "Well I didn't know how to search." Whether or not they're telling the truth, a little tour would erase that excuse. |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 21:18
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Ah, now there's an idea! Upon joining the site, you are instantly shown a non-closeable intro video explaining all the particulars of PA and the forums rules (especially "how" to use the search function)! A guided tour/video sounds like an excellent option!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 21:21
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I don't like the idea. Reminds me of Gamefaqs. It has an interesting and wide spectrum of topics, but you can only post like 15 posts a day, and only start a few topics a day until you're a level blah blah blah and all. Very inconvenient for someone who is not a troll. I'd hate to see PA go in this direction.
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 21:25
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 14 2008 at 21:28
Thanks Jake for the much less "radical" suggestion  Well, admins...how does this latter option sound? -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:44
Let me have each and every new PA member for a week... I will indoctrinate them.... I can be "PA Indoctrinator Prog Metal Specialist Spiritual Guide" if you want.... It will only take a week... and you'll see wonders... ------------- 
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 16:10
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It is less radical, but so where your revised suggestions. What I'm missing is when these video's or screen shots would be shown - seeing them once doesn't stick forever, seeing them everyday drives people away i the same way as not being able to post. As for an earlier question you asked (although I don't see the value of knowing it): the post for groupie level is set at 40 posts. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 17:00
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I apologize for my vagueness/incoherency... I was curious about the post number just because 40 posts is much easier to reach than 100 (for Sr. versus Groupie rank). A minor detail, I guess. Well, I suppose for the screen shot(s) / video, it would be beneficial to have it in two instances. The first time would be when a member first registers with the site. It could even be one of those pop-up messages similar to "Thank you for voting" in polls or the ratings warning pop-up for 1 and 5 stars. The second time can be when a member starts a new thread. Now, you could possibly apply that to everyone, and for every new thread the message comes up to search first before creating one. The other option could involve the ranks again, and maybe put the message up for 1 and 2 star members when they start a thread. But I think the fault with that would be that a member could very likely be a senior member before ever making a thread. So if our members wouldn't be too inconvenienced by a quick pop-up every time they want to start a new thread, I think that may be a viable solution. Thoughts? EDIT: In addition to mentioning the search function, the pop-up should also remind members to make sure the thread is in the correct forum. -------------
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 06:03
Could work.... I'm taking this to the admin team right now 
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 16 2008 at 14:27
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Great - anticipating the results...
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 16:59
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I've been thinking about this thread for a while and having visited another forum with a much harsher structure, ideas have formed. Seeing another thread about a bizarre age division plot finally made me decide to write down my ideas. a) Post count should be hidden. I know ClassicRocker's ideas hinged on this variable, but it's a faulty measure compared to the one I'd use. Forum subtitles and member star value no longer become upgraded from the first star by post count alone. b) Subforums like Prog Polls, Just for Fun, Welcome, etc. etc. should be open to all visitors and posters. You could move stuff like "What are you listening to" "Velvet Room part 40" and "Recent purchases" to Just for Fun since, well, they're fluff. Sometimes diverting and wholesome fluff, but fluff all the same. "Prog Recommendations" also stays open to every visitor so that new members can ask questions and then vanish like they so often do. c) Things like the Prog Lounge and Blog become restricted so that newbies can't post in them, and if a senior member starts a dumb thread in a serious subforum, their thread is quietly deleted. Newbies can still read all the posts here so it's not secret like, say, the Collab area. d) Have Mods and Monitors read the newbie forums from time to time, looking for posters with personality and something to say, then passing their names on to Admins so that they can promote them to senior members. Have seperate "recent post" boards for serious and non-serious sections. e) Abolish the "forum stimulator" role since every non-newbie member now qualifies as one. Each poster with access to the serious subsections retains it so long as they remain untrollish and eloquent. This'd create a more rigorous environment where people could expect to have their serious and thoughtful threads populated with serious and thoughtful replies. It'd even make the fun sections less godforsaken, since many of the posters there would be auditioning for higher things. now... call me a fascist ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 17:21
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^ fascist Might be interesting, though ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 17:50
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Certainly I'd like to see more Political discussion and religious debate on the forum but unfortunately these soon dissolve into name-calling and rule infringements. On other forums I have visited, much as Laplace mentions in his excellent post above, you have to have a certain amount of posts or an agreed status before you can even see the Off-topic discussion forums. Others like Progressive Ears only permit you to make a certain amount of posts a day, but as Stonie mentions, this is a bit drastic IMO. I'm not sure that we would want the main Prog Lounge restricted as it is our main (forum) attraction as it were. |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:58
Nice post, laplace My replies: a) Post count is a funny thing, and I do accept that it isn't really the best criteria to look at... in my initial few posts in this thread I was just trying to make sense of the current method of "ranking-up", and apply it to my little alteration. b) This part sounds pretty good c) I don't think that would fly, just because we get back to the whole waiting period thing again, this time until a newbie is "recognized" as "good enough" to post in the "serious forums". I agree with Tony R's comment with regard to the prog lounge as well. Also, when a senior member starts a "dumb thread" in a serious lounge, I think it's better moved to the correct forum instead of being altogether deleted, unless, of course, it deals with illegal matters, etc (which is how the forums currently work). (Kind of off-topic: I have a minor issue with phrasing of one forum categorization: "Prog Music Lounge" being in the "Progressive Music Lounges" - it leads to occasional confusion with people's meanings in posts  )d) Although it sounds very good in principal, I question how practical it would be to have every newbie's performance reviewed by an admin to get an upgrade (and "personality" and "something to say" are oh-so subjective ). That would be extremely time-consuming, and that type of work already seems to be done in assigning collaborators (including yourself). e) Oh, come now, giving up your title so eagerly? What nobility !Overall, I like your idealism, but I don't think it would all fly for most members of this site (including the higher-ups)... It'd be quite an overhaul, too, wouldn't it? Hell... I'm still waiting to see if we can even have a pop-up reminder for the use of the search engine! -------------
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 06:51
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I remember joining this forum some 4 years ago, at the time I merely came here to have some fun, exchange some jokes and sometimes get involved in serious debate. But with restrictions the barrier of getting involved in the site and forum is higher and that will scare visitors away. I used the forum for fun and reviews to add to the site content.
I know for older members it get's tiresome to read all those rehashed threads about subjects we've been discussing for ages now, but you can also ignore these threads (I know I don't since I think for newbies it's a nice way to get into their caracter as forum poster, so these are just rites of passage into the more indebt threads).
Personally I think if it isn't broke don't fix it, and this forum isn't broke, it just needs some occasional push into better subjects.
Threads like this are helpfull for that, just like any thread that focussis on improvement of the site. But you can't expect newbies to be involved enough to immediatly start with these serious issues, let them find their friends and people to talk to first, and yes that takes some time. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 09:18
Good points, Tuxon. I'm sure most of us originally joined (and to some degree stay here) "to have some fun," and there's nothing wrong with that.
Yep. in case you haven't read through the whole thread, my original (as laplace puts these things) "fascist" idea has been laid to rest. Really, at the time, I was frustrated probably as a result of personal stresses and just a few repeat threads and new trolls I saw. Throughout the thread it has become a matter of featuring a simple "pop-up", like the ones for when we vote or submit a review, that indicates how to use the search and a reminder to do so when any member creates a new thread. A simple measure that in all likelihood will yield positive results. (Hopefully you admins haven't forgotten about it )-------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 16:16
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Segregating noob posts mightn't be a bad idea. Perhaps a series of trials could be set for those who want full membership to the site. There could be a sort of boot camp to make sure that only the toughest, smartest, and most obsequious gain access. Could start with them having to do exams to see if they should be accepted into the site as Noobs. Then have a boot camp (Noob Boot Camp Forum) run by Tony R, The Progtologist, Ivan, Micky, Peter and others as part of the trial process. Tony R and the Progtologist would be the drill Sergeants (are they tough enough?), Ivan would provide the evil blue font of death test, Peter would check grammar and juvenility of noob posts, and Micky would barrage them with haahas. This would be a hidden forum to all but noobs and those staff. The nest step would be more fun for those that don't get booted from boot camp. A post you stupid noob topics forum where they could have a free rein to run wild with their idiocy. Next would be formal warning for their idiocy in the stupid noob topics forum. Next would be finishing school where they would be taught the finer points of PA etiquette I think Atkingani, EL, and Raff could host those The next step would be general hazing in a Noob Taunting Forum, where all non-noobs could humiliate them. Then, for those that survive, a welcome forum where they would be welcomed with open arms. But perhaps there should be 6 month probation period before they are generally treated with respect, and can be suspended for even the smallest infractions. or something like that. ;) |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 17:24
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I'm being lampooned ;P
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 19:08
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I like the pop-up idea. I'm sure you'd get a couple of whiny posts about it every now and then, but it'd also encourage a bit more thought for individual threads. Logan, you've missed the rival 'The Gates Of Delirium, TAAB and Supper's Ready Only'-poll forums where they can have massive arguments to everyone else's amusement until they understand that Tarkus is the best. |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 20:52
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Wow, great post there, Logan . Forgive the expression, but I lol'd. TGM, you must be mistaken: Tarkus isn't one of the parts of Karn Evil 9 -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 22:41
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having your twenty-third conversation about "Who Started it All?" or "What is Progressive?" can be okay if it's been awhile and the new member is intelligent |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 04:55
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Very useful disucssion.
Keep prompting on this, things may not happen quickly but the ideas may well lead to changes.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 06:12
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Laplace's suggestions:
a) Post count disappearing (or not being visible) might be a solution. Keep the stars, though. Another solution is having the post count only in the profile, not on every post.
b) I'm not sure this is wise to open up to visitors. We must be able to get an idea of detecting when a troll is being booted that he's not coming back under a new name, so registration is necessary. This is also the minimum to be done so as that we insure ourselves that the people posting have at least a minimal interest in posting here.
I have no reservations on the rest of your suggestion in this point.
c) Like Tony, I don't see why the mounge should be restyricted. We applied a restriction to Blogs, because the subjects discussed require a certain amount of up-keeping by the blog starters.
d) This is the way it was done via the reviews written. And I think that was when we happenede to recruit some of our best collabs. I know that some collabs have been recruited without much reviewing and solely on their forum participation, which doesn't pose a problem with me. But I also know of a few who intrigued to reviewer/collab status, just to take a look at behind the scenes and never posted again soon after. I can't recall any names, though.
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