Question: Is Neo-Classical 'Prog'?
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Topic: Question: Is Neo-Classical 'Prog'?
Posted By: aapatsos
Subject: Question: Is Neo-Classical 'Prog'?
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 21:25
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This has just struck my mind. Do prog fans consider neo-classical as prog? I can't decide easily on that issue, but some bands and artists I consider neo-classical (Nightwish, Theodore Ziras) are in the Archives, while other, more popular and highly regarded are not (Malmsteen). No, I am not proposing anyone for addition or rejection...  So what is your opinion on the subject? EDIT: What is your general perception of neo-classical relating to prog? |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 21:39
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never understood why it isn't.. but not really a fan.. so never pushed for answers I, and others, have mentioned Malmsteen several times...I think he would get in without much problem.. well but for two... one to 'champion' him so to speak... and the biggest... where in the world to put him. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 21:52
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^ you had me confused for a minute because I was under the impression that darkwave groups like Dead Can Dance were neo-classical and Stravinsky was Neoclassical, whereas I concider Nightwish to be Symphonic Metal.... So I wiki'd Malmsteen and discover he is Neo-classical Metal. So, back to your question. I think that all metal sub-genres have the potential to be Progressive Metal, but not all the bands in those sub-genres. For example, Nightwish have made the transition from Symphonic Metal to Progressive Metal, but Edenbridge, have not. Therefore each band must be judged on their own merits and accomplishments regardless of the metal sub-genre they are allied to. ------------- What? |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 22:05
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Same here... neo classical I regard as symphonic (straight symphonic) composers movement going back to classical in terms of method, Stravinsky, Prokofiev and the else... ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 22:24
Another artist that could be well regarded as neo-classical is Uli Jon Roth. His solo works are pretty impressive and his live performances even more... I am also a bit confused about how prog or not such an artist would be, but how much progressive do you see in such works? Is neo-classical really progressive or 'regressive' ? |
darqdean wrote:Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: December 14 2007 at 23:31
| Neo-classical metal to me...like the above user said is just regressive. It's nothing new to the stuff made centuries ago. Not progressive at all. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 01:28
| ^^ Plenty of unprogressive bands on here. Malmsteen mixes classical and rock, that's what alot of prog bands do. Not saying that he should be on here, but, I dunno, Symphony X and Kamelot are... |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 04:31
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They're not neoclassical, they're neoclassical metal. There's a huge difference. Real neoclassical is Stravinsky (which is arguably much more progressive since Stravinsky broke all the rules). ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 04:42
Heavy Prog? I think David would be very much in favour of his inclusion. As to myself, I am not an expert (haven't heard anything from him for years), so I would defer to the 'real' ones. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 10:10
I wouldn't even say arguably. It is much more progressive. |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 04:33
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I agree, but I didn't want to force my opinion on anyone. ;-) ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |