Return to Forever
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Return to Forever
Posted By: Hammar
Subject: Return to Forever
Date Posted: March 25 2004 at 13:08
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I think Return to Forever should be included, at least the essentials (such as Romantic Warrior, an album as important as Inner Mounting Flame, Mahavishnu). Another artist is Mr.Bungle, or simply Mike Patton (Mr.Bungle, Tomahawk, Fantomas, etc.). Albums like California is progrock in my opinion. |
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 25 2004 at 13:30
AAHHH, Al Di Meola, Stanely Clarke, Chick Corea...........
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Hammar wrote:
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: March 26 2004 at 00:09
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Yeah, they would be good additions along with Weather Report. Tony William's Liftime is essential as well. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want 
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 26 2004 at 03:06
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Well, that's a good idea...if you estimate that jazz/ fusion can be a sub genre of prog rock...and I think it is... ------------- 
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: March 26 2004 at 06:25
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Well, with bands like Mahavishnu, Brand X, Bill Bruford and Soft Machine already included, I think Return to Forever should as well. And yes, I agree Alexander, Weather Report belongs to the list of great fusion bands! philippe: maybe jazz/fusion is not a subgenre of progressive rock, but they are related! There are elements of jazz/fusion in progressive rock and vice versa! For example, what would you call bands like Hatfield and the North and Picchio dal Pozzo? I say both. And, they are listed here as Jazz-fusion/canterbury/RIO. Weather Report and Return to Forever, bring it on!! |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 26 2004 at 07:12
Absolutely true...influences are mutual -------------
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 26 2004 at 13:54
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On another topic (I don't know which one), people said that the jazzy bands should not be included, but I think thet deserve to be mentioned! (Inside of me a voice shouts: JOHN ZORN! JOHN ZORN!) |
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: March 28 2004 at 07:18
Then a lot of bands have to be excluded again... I think it's strange, there are many similarities between fusion/jazzrock and progrock, both came into being from the same reasons. And I agree, Zorn is the man (iac)!! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: March 28 2004 at 07:42
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Thanks for the SUGGESTION about Return to Forever, we will work on it on the next updates. Di Meola is THE MAN !
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Posted By: Tauhd Zaļa
Date Posted: March 29 2004 at 13:55
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If you are in jazz-rock I should recommand : Passport (a german band) The best record is "Ataraxia" (1978) and shows a beautiful mix of jazz-rock, prog and electronic music
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: March 29 2004 at 15:02
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Hmm, never heard about it. In matter fact, I don't have any German prog-records in my collection, but many jazz-rock... I'll check it out! Thank you! I'm going to Germany in July for a prog/jazz-rock/Zappa-festival. My investigation of German prog will begin.... |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 30 2004 at 09:35
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I'm really in german prog, but damm..I've never heard something about Ataraxia. -------------
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: April 01 2004 at 07:52
Let's us not forget Lenny White ------------- G'day |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 04 2004 at 14:58
Sorry guys, but all the bands you are talking about (T. W. Lifetime, Weather Report, Lenny White) belong to the jazz-rock subgenre, a subgenre of jazz that has to be distinguished from the jazz-fusion subgenre (a sub-genre involving people that played in prog-rock bands, at least concerning Bruford, Brand X, the other representatives of this sub-genre being Zappa, Kenso, Cartoone but also current artists steming from the prog-metal sub-genre : Planet X (Virgil Donati + Derek Sherinian), LTE (Mike Portnoy + Jordan Rudess + Tony Levin + John Petrucci), Bozzio Levin Stevens, RAMA (led by Dixie Dregs' bassist Andy West), Spastic Ink). So if you are considering the following artists/bands : Jean-Luc Ponty, Allan Holdsworth, Al di Meola, Uzeb, Stanley Clarke, Weather Report, Miles Davis, Tony Williams Lifetime, The Crusaders, Lenny White, Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Billy Cobham, The Brecker Brothers, Herbie Hancock, Pat Metheny, Dave Weckl, Chick Corea's Elektric band... they are all classified under the jazz-rock label. The very thin line between jazz-rock and jazz-fusion ! ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 23 2004 at 07:46
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Quote: Sorry guys, but all the bands you are talking about (T. W. Lifetime, Weather Report, Lenny White) belong to the jazz-rock subgenre, a subgenre of jazz that has to be distinguished from the jazz-fusion subgenre. In contradiction, one of the big jazz rock fusion web discussion groups Fusenet, are suggesting "Romantic Warrior" is RTF's most progressive rock album, right at this moment. As the two more popular RTF albums are "Romantic Warrior" and "Hymn of the 7th Galaxy", I increasingly have the thought: if you prefer the former then you are more a prog rock fan, but the latter more a jazz rock fan (let's discuss?). One thing that hasn't been argued on Fusenet is that jazz rock can considered a sub-section of progressive rock, as well as a sub-section of jazz fusion. Problem with all this debating as to anything being one thing or another, is that certain artists will fall between the two - Allan holdsworth being a classic example, the media critics have always puzzled as to whether is he rock or is he jazz? As with all art : "art is in the eye/ear of the beholder" and what is progressive rock to one person maybe not to another. In such an abstract area of discussion, no one person can precisely define what the genre is (a sort of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Music) - but I know it when I hear it - as you do. Just avoid those who claim they don't like progressive rock; even the cleverest of critics may know little about what they write about (e.g. check out the first paragraph of Rod Liddell's article on popular lyrics in the LondonTimes Art Supplement published some time earlier this year. Here Liddell had a go a prog, (and amazingly) specifically the lyrics of Brand X......................). |