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Topic: One Train Later: Andy Summers
Posted By: Dick Heath
Subject: One Train Later: Andy Summers
Date Posted: August 01 2007 at 11:28
 
Just found a paperback version in a local bookshop and started reading. Summers demonstrates himself to be lucid if somewhat dry writer - and I don't believe this is ghosted - but met approval from Mojo's readers as the rock biography of 2006.
 
I won't offer a review as yet, since I'm only 80 pages in. However, to indicate the amount of detail given so far,  Summers has only got as far as telling:
a) once he chased Hank B Marvin through Bournemouth and to obtain an autograph
b) in his mid-teens he worked in a local dance band, but fired for snogging a customer only to be replaced by a certain Robert Fripp 
c) he was yet another young musician taken under the wing of blues godfather Alexis Korner, when he and Zoot Money left Bournemouth to seek fame and fortune in London - telling me that Bournemouth was home of even more rock musicans than I thought
d) he sold Eric Clapton the  Les Paul guitar, which Clapton was soon to be called "God"
e) his musical heroes are the major American jazz players of the late 50's.


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 13 2007 at 11:05
Now completed this book and strongly recommended it. I can also understand why Mojo voted it as biog of 2006.
 
One Train Later is written from the view point of Andy Summers having plenty of time to kill before the last Police performance, prior to the band folding (for the first time). Therefore having long timebetween waking in the morning and the evening show, to contemplate the past and what brought  him to that point of success, thoughts tempered by certain frustrations. There are good insights into the exhilaration and excesses of the mid to late 60's London music scene, and Summers reminding (or in many instances revealing to me) the number of bands he passed through: Zoot Money's Big Roll Band, Dantelion's Chariot, Soft Machine, the New Animals, Kevin Ayers Band, with all of whom he was trying to play more than just an average lead guitar. The 3 year break from the performing music scene in LA in the early 70's, but eventually getting back to the cold, bleak, 3 day week Britain with wife and soon a family. Meeting with Sting and Copeland (still with Curved Air, and about to marry the band's lead singer) and the early days of Police.  The appearance of punk and the trio's enthusiams for throwing over the staid and stale musical order. Their gradual discovery of reggatta de blanc through a fuller exposure to Bob Marley records. The fame that slowly grew but then snowballed with the Police - the grind of world tours that would kill three marriages, the related excesses, the drugs, the unfaithfulness - unsurprisingly echoing Kevin Gilbert's libretto to Shaming Of The True. Summers doing lots of  indulging but at the same time still trying be a better guitarist, practising and putting the jazz and the modern classical (e.g. of Bartok) into the punk and reggae. And somehow finding some time to record with fellow, former Bournemouth resident, Robert Fripp. Then the slow but inevitable falling apart of Police.
 
I must admit  the book was difficult to start, into but  whether Summers modified his rather arty farty language after  the first 100 pages, or I became tolerant to it, rperhaps needs another read of the book. from me However, there was a point when the book became a page turner  e.g.  for the last 300 pages, rather than annoyed with somewhat precious wordage. He is candid about his relationships with his wife, (who he married, divorced and remarried), Sting and Copeland, and his beliefs. In all, Summers has the language and vocabuary to give a real sense of what is to be a jobbing pop/rock man, trying to break into the fame and fortune. Then having done it, being a caged and frustrated superstar interminably on the road still required to find new fans in new countries, although already selling truck loads of albums - and on those short breaks coming too slowly back to reality whilst being pressurised about the next LP.
 
Check it out.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 13 2007 at 13:46
Sounds interesting Bob. Sting's autobiography is worth a read too.

Talking of Dantalion's Chariot, they have a track on a Paul Weller compilation CD with the latest edition of Uncut. It's quite good 1960's psychedelic stuff, until it gets to the bit about "is that the madman running across the grass" (or something like that), at which point it becomes the type of song that The Dukes of Stratosphear took the p*ss out of.


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 15 2007 at 06:24
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Sounds interesting Bob. Sting's autobiography is worth a read too.

Talking of Dantalion's Chariot, they have a track on a Paul Weller compilation CD with the latest edition of Uncut. It's quite good 1960's psychedelic stuff, until it gets to the bit about "is that the madman running across the grass" (or something like that), at which point it becomes the type of song that The Dukes of Stratosphear took the p*ss out of.
 
Bob? (As in Blackadder?)


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 15 2007 at 07:28
LOL
Sorry about that Fred, I'm not very good with names.


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 15 2007 at 08:37
Sounds like a good book to pick up. Roughly ; how much time/chapters does he develop to his late 60's & early 70's music projects?

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 15 2007 at 13:25
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Sounds like a good book to pick up. Roughly ; how much time/chapters does he develop to his late 60's & early 70's music projects?
 
A goodly chunk. Approx the first 150 pages are devoted to pre-Police activities, with reasonable to long sections devoted each to the several bands Summers was in. I feel I'm getting  a good sense of what these bands brought to his development as a musician and a person.


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 16 2007 at 03:53
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Sounds like a good book to pick up. Roughly ; how much time/chapters does he develop to his late 60's & early 70's music projects?
 
A goodly chunk. Approx the first 150 pages are devoted to pre-Police activities, with reasonable to long sections devoted each to the several bands Summers was in. I good a good sense of what these bands brought to his development as a musician and a person
 
Sounds good! I think I'll order it from Brussel's Watersones bookshop!
 
Thanks !


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prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 15:57
Until I read this I did not realise quite how influential Mike Howlett was in forming the Police.  Shame that string joined the police and not him really.

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 24 2008 at 06:46
I just read this and agree that it's one of the better rock bios out there. The first half of the book is particularly interesting and gives the ups and downs of life with The Police some useful perspective; when original Police guitarist Henry Padovani is dismissed form the band Summers is candid about his role in the proceedings, but we are also aware that he received similar treatment himself when he was in Soft Machine. He's also very eloquent when writing about his lifelong love affair with the guitar. Definitely one for anybody who is interested in rock music, and definitely not just for fans of the police.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 24 2008 at 07:42
Just notice this thread that went dormant after it's origination last year thanks to the new post.  I got into Summers thanks to his first Fripp collaboration.  I subsequently took interest in the Police thanks largely to Synchronicty, which has it's proggy moments.  But his solo career is another matter.  It's really rather solidly jazz rock/fusion.  But my search didn't turn up any threads suggesting his addition...

Speaking of memoirs/autobiographies, I'd recommend Joe Jackson's A Cure For Gravity, The Real Frank Zappa Book, and Miles Davis' one.  This one looks like one I need to check out.  Thanks for recommendation.


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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 24 2008 at 07:44
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Just notice this thread that went dormant after it's origination last year thanks to the new post.  I got into Summers thanks to his first Fripp collaboration.  I subsequently took interest in the Police thanks largely to Synchronicty, which has it's proggy moments.  But his solo career is another matter.  It's really rather solidly jazz rock/fusion.  But my search didn't turn up any threads suggesting his addition...

Speaking of memoirs/autobiographies, I'd recommend Joe Jackson's A Cure For Gravity, The Real Frank Zappa Book, and Miles Davis' one.  This one looks like one I need to check out.  Thanks for recommendation.
 
If you enjoyed A Cure For Gravity you'll like this one as well.


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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 25 2008 at 08:23
An excellent read I just finished last week.
 
Summers had quite a career before The Police, much of it with George Bruno AKA Zoot Money
 
Alexis Korner, Steampacket (with LJ Baldry)
Big Roll Band,
Dantalion's Chariot,
Soft Machine (without GB)
and  finally Eric Burdon & the Animals......
 
But past that last gig, it looks like the man had missed the train to fortune, when most ofhis peers meant to at least achieve some sort of permanent job in a band, he couldn't. His errance in the states and return to England sounded like complete defeat.
 
It's rather funny that the man that got Summers fired from Soft Machine (that's Kevin Ayers, but he asked Wyatt to do the dirty job) on grounds that Summers was too good and following Ratledge in a jazz direction), he hired Summers once back in England in 74 and played in his band for about 18 months, until the Police was about to happen.
 
So  the title can indeed take a double meaning, when he said that had he taken one subway later, he's have missed Stewart Copeland and tried to convince him to have have a go at it.
 
But being sensibly older than both Sting and Copeland, it's also obvious that The Police was his last break at stardom. So when he got his break it was over ten years later than most guys of his generation >> hence , one train later.
 
Summers has a good writing style, with his own sense of humour: I thought Nick Mason was funnier and less revengesome or more diplmatic >>> WTF are we supposed to do with the info that Long John Baldry almost raped Summers, especially that the info comes after LJB is dead and couldn't defend himself????
 
Sometimes, this book had me think of Emerson's  Picture Of An Exhibitionist, where the people in the trio (ELP or Police) couldn't get along, and he fires first (as does Emerson) at his colleague. Sting appears like a terribly egostist and egocentrist, certain that he was alone in Police's success,n but also refusing most of the other two's songs.
 
 
 


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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 25 2008 at 08:47
Sounds interesting. Yes, the Sting autobio is also interesting, although that one doesn't say much about the Police, but more about the road towards the formation of the band. I am curious about Andy Summers' point of view. I once read an interview with him in a Dutch progressive rock magazine, and I remember vividly how outspoken he was, sometimes a bit cynical, but always laying the goods on the table.
 
Good that the thread has been revived. I didn't know it was there. Now I would like to find a copy for myself. 



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