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Topic: After Death..
Posted By: WaywardSon
Subject: After Death..
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 12:58
Where do you think we go when we die? Is death the end or the beginning of something else?



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:09
Of course I don't know (no one does), and would like it to be otherwise, but I think we simply become lifeless meat.
 
Thus, death is "the beginning of something else" -- a process of decomposition, and the breaking down of the body to its constituent elements.
 
Hopefully, we "live on" in fond memory, if nothing else. Ermm
 
Encroaching, inevitable death pushes us to actually do something with our (finite) lives.
 
(Or it should!)


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:16
Oh, I dunno. I think options 1, 3, and 4 are pretty much the same. I think I believe in an afterlife, but I think it's a much more pleasant and forgiving place than the Biblical references, which are likely scare tactics.

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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:19
We go to a cocktail party with brie cheese and the like.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:23
It's so amazing that nobody votes for the only real answer: "wouldn't know"...LOL... i mean, is the only one that can be PROVED....LOL
 
I hope we reincarnate or join our loved ones... i just can't figure it all ending when we die... But the more I get my logic into the analysis, the more I'm convinced it's like that, so let's not think about what we can't change....Big%20smile..... If you believe in heaven or hell, though, you can start sinning less to go to the former or sinning more to go to the latter....


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:24
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

We go to a cocktail party with brie cheese and the like.
 
Is there a cheese called BRIE? b*****ds! So that's why poor great James gets all the jokes from!!!Angry


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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:31
I was having a chat the other day with my mother (who is in her seventies) about where we go when we die, and  felt a bit sad when she said she doesn´t really believe we go anywhere.
I just wasn´t expecting that kind of an answer from my mother.
 
So I thought I would make this poll to see how everyone feels about this.
 
@ The T, I thought you would have voted "The spirit carries on" from that song by a well known Prog Metal band
 


Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:33
In all seriousness I couldn't possibly know. It is only through faith people believe in an afterlife. And even to believe you go nowhere is an act of faith because how can you prove it?

We really don't know...but I would hope it is someplace wonderful.


Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:35
Wouldn't know.

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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:35
The spirit world, where we chill out and do whatever for eternity, like playing checkers with giant stars.


Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:36
I wouldn't know. I firmly believe in ghosts, but they could just be an echo-like phenomenon and not truly sentient.

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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:38
"No one wants to die
but we do, so we hide
What you fail to realize
is there's no need to fear
you live on in the hearts and minds
of those who hold you dear, who are right here"



Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:42
These lines are from Wilco -- On and On and On:
 
One day we’ll disappear together in a dream
However short or long our lives are going to be
I will live in you or you will live in me
Until we disappear together in a dream

Please don’t cry we’re designed to die
You can’t deny even the gentlest tide
On and on and on we’ll be together yeah
On and on and on

Cry


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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 13:45

I believe in an afterlife, but we'll see.



Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 14:12
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out

The ones that crawl in are lean and thin

The ones that crawl out are fat and stout

Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out

Your brains come tumbling down your snout

Be merry my friends, be merry Smile



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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 14:16
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

These lines are from Wilco -- On and On and On:
 
One day we’ll disappear together in a dream
However short or long our lives are going to be
I will live in you or you will live in me
Until we disappear together in a dream

Please don’t cry we’re designed to die
You can’t deny even the gentlest tide
On and on and on we’ll be together yeah
On and on and on

Cry
 
Dust in the ol' wind hey Peter?Wink
 
Wait  isnt' that what happens when you get too close to Garten?
 
 You turn to dust in in HIS wind. LOL
 


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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 14:26
I saw Brian posted on this thread and instantly thought: maybe we'll all be going to some sort of prog-show, hopefully. They say the angels sing in praise of God, don't they? I wonder what time signatures they use...

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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 14:44
I am a believer that energy is neither created nor destroyed, it only changes form. I chose "we join the spirit world" and think of the spirit world more as an energy reserve.
 
I have some belief in reincaration, but like most things, if it can't be proven, the reason usually means that it is fiction to begin with.
 
 


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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 16:44
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

I saw Brian posted on this thread and instantly thought: maybe we'll all be going to some sort of prog-show, hopefully. They say the angels sing in praise of God, don't they? I wonder what time signatures they use...
 
That would be awsome!  Clap
 
 


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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"


Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 19:13
Being a Christian, I'm going to have to go with a Biblical heaven and hell

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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 19:31
I have not the slightest clue what will happen after death.  I'm Christian, but my faith has slipped in the belief in afterlife.  But seriously, who wants to live forever?  (I know, that's a Queen song, and a good one.)  The thought of eternity scares me.  But then again, would I want death to be the very end, with nothing left afterwards?  That's a scary thought too.  I'm not quite sure what to think, but without a doubt I cannot know what will happen after death. 

To be honest though, I find the idea of incarnation to be interesting....


Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 22:17
Life seems to be cyclical so why wouldn't death be the same?


Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 11 2007 at 23:54
To some jewish guy, called Marv, apartment... it´s not that bad, but it has no heat, and the location is terible...


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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 04:40
We are reincarnated. I in this: Limmagine%20“http://rifugio.valmaron.it/download/up/zoom_gallo-forcello.jpg”%20non%20può%20essere%20visualizzata%20poiché%20contiene%20degli%20errori.

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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 04:48
Re-incarnation through the scattering of your ashes.

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 04:52
We shall return as zombies, vampires or shoes.


Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 05:02
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

We shall return as zombies, vampires or shoes.


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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 05:06

i'm an agnostic so neither do i know nor do i care...

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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 08:53
Originally posted by darkmatter darkmatter wrote:

I have not the slightest clue what will happen after death.  I'm Christian, but my faith has slipped in the belief in afterlife. 
 
Here a little satire I put together.  It is cynical and meant for laughs. Please no flaming.
 

A Heavenly Diary...

My First Day in Heaven

What a glorious place. Being with the Father and all others that have been saved. Pure joy and nothing else. How happy am I. Let me bask in His glory. The warmth of His love.

The next day in Heaven

What a glorious place. Being with the Father and all others that have been saved. Pure joy and nothing else. How happy am I. Let me bask in His glory. The warmth of His love. It is so constant. Unchanging. And I made the cut.  I lived a good life and it paid off.

After a week in heaven

This really is a nice place. Being here is better than anything. I really need to find something to do though.

What am I thinking? Banish the thought! What a glorious place. Being with the Father and all others that have been saved. This was the promise and all anyone would ever want. Pure joy and nothing else. How happy am I. Let me bask in His glory. The warmth of His love.

After a week and a day in heaven

Keep that thought out. Keep that thought out. It IS really nice here. Just because I can feel God's love and be with him for an eternity along with everyone else who made it...DOING NOTHING...for eternity except basking in His love.

No wait! Stop! Clear that thought. La-la-la-la I'm clearing that thought. Now what was I saying before? Oh yah...What a glorious place. Being with the....etc...

After two weeks in Heaven

I wonder what those that didn't make it here are doing? LOL And I thought I was warm from God's love. LOL Oh boy. Isn't that a laugh. Good one God.

Hmmmm....
 
I wonder if it really is that bad there. I mean, I bet they have SOMETHING to do. I bet they're all telling jokes by now. I'm surrounded by a bunch of God's warmth bathers. Talk about a boring bunch. How friggin' happy can someone be all the time? Its down right annoying now that I'm thinking about it.

After three weeks in heaven

OK, why didn't someone tell me Heaven was this dull? I'm happy and all but holy mackerel how Joy to the World can you get? This is really driving me nuts. Its like Chinese water torture. I am losing my spiritual mind. It just...

Oh no...wait!

OH NO!!!!

NO!!!!  NO!!!!  NO!!!!!!
 
I'm in hell!!!!!

 

Sure laugh it up God.



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 12:14

Other place, the coffinTongue

Anyway, religion or not, no one can surely know what will happend to us when we die, except for that we'll get buried etc.

The most logical to me is that death is the end, but I don't really know exactly.



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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 12:19
I like the idea of reincarnation.


Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 12:40
As I prefer to argue from a base of some "certainty", I'll wait til I'm dead, then come back & argue with you all LOL

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 16:00
Originally posted by Man Erg Man Erg wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

We shall return as zombies, vampires or shoes.
 
I choose the vampire part... I've always been a fan of The Count, and then again, returning with better seducing powers than I own as a living person wouldn't hurt...Big%20smile....Zombies are too ugly and I don'rt think they could attract any woman (unless she's a zombie, too, which makes her unatractive); besudes that, having to eat human flesh is not healthy, I'm sure, specially here where everybody eats fast food....Big%20smile... And about the shoe, it depends.... A shoe for females could be OK, but what if you retunr as a sports-shoe, or even worse, a soccer-shoe? Now if we return as clothing, I'd really prefer something else...Tongue


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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 17:44
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

I am a believer that energy is neither created nor destroyed, it only changes form. I chose "we join the spirit world" and think of the spirit world more as an energy reserve.
 

I have some belief in reincaration, but like most things, if it can't be proven, the reason usually means that it is fiction to begin with.

 

 


Buddhism teaches that death is just another part of life. I think that ties in with what you are saying. I don't think our "soul" gets transferred, but we do go on to something else. The matter itself goes back to the whole, and whatever effect we've had will continue to be felt.

I do believe in reincarnation, but not as a physical rebirth. I think it happens within one physical lifetime. I am a completely different person than I was five years ago.

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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 17:46
What if those near-death experiences where you see heaven/hell is the work of your unconscious mind and your imagination of either heaven or hell, and where your mind itself things you would go?




Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 17:59
I think Doom came after Death, but it may have been Scandinavian Thrash.

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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 12 2007 at 18:13
We live and die and... yet... nothing, nothing at all.  That's it.

Immortality (and thus Heaven) is scarier than mortality and death.

Peter Hammill knows it too.

Still Life

Citadel reverberates to a thousand voices, now dumb:
what have we become? What have we chosen to be?
Now, all history is reduced to the syllables of our name -
nothing can ever be the same now the Immortals are here.
At the time, it seemed a reasonable course
to harness all the force of life without the threat of death,
but soon we found
that boredom and inertia are not negative,
but all the law we know
and dead are Will and words like survival.

Arrival at immunity from all age, all fear and all end....
Why do I pretend? Our essence is distilled
and all familiar taste is now drained
and though purity is maintained it leaves us sterile,
living through the millions of years,
a laugh as close as any tear....
Living, if you claim that all that entails is
breathing, eating, defecating, screwing, drinking,
spewing, sleeping, sinking ever down and down
and ultimately passing away time
which no longer has any meaning.

Take away the threat of death
and all you're left with is a round of make-believe;
marshal every sullen breath
and though you're ultimately bored by endless ecstasy
that's still the ring by which you hope to be engaged
to marry the girl who will give you forever -
that's crazy, and plainly
it simply is not enough.

What is the dullest and bluntest of pains,
such that my eyes never close without feeling it there?
What abject despair demands an end to all things of infinity?
If we have gained, how do we now meet the cost?
What have we bargained, and what have we lost?
What have we relinquished, never even knowing it was there?

What chance now of holding fast the line,
defying death and time
when everything we had is gone?
Everything we laboured for and favoured more
than earthly things reveals the hollow ring
of false hope and of false deliverance.

But now the nuptial bed is made,
the dowry has been paid;
the toothless, haggard features of Eternity
now welcome me between the sheets
to couple with her withered body - my wife.

Hers forever,
hers forever,
hers forever
in still life.



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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 13 2007 at 10:46
Originally posted by Zitro Zitro wrote:

What if those near-death experiences where you see heaven/hell is the work of your unconscious mind and your imagination of either heaven or hell, and where your mind itself things you would go?
 
I firmly believe that the mind fabricates those visions of heaven or hell in near death experiences. Because brain activity may not be detected, that's all it is...undetected.


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Posted By: Samir
Date Posted: June 13 2007 at 11:32
This is a question that always hits me, i believe we go nowhere, it is the end, nothing more.


Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 14 2007 at 19:15
You go in a wooden box which is buried approximately 6 feet underground. 

There is no afterlife.  There is no reincarnation.

It scares the sh*t out of me. 


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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: June 14 2007 at 19:24
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

You go in a wooden box which is buried approximately 6 feet underground. 
 
How about nine, so we have an excuse to blast Caravan?
 
(But to be on topic, probably Heaven/Hell in my opinion, although I would love coming back as an eagle or other bird.)


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 14 2007 at 19:34
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

You go in a wooden box which is buried approximately 6 feet underground. 

There is no afterlife.  There is no reincarnation.

It scares the sh*t out of me. 
...and the last place you want to be when that happens is in a confined space. LOL


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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 14 2007 at 20:20
9 Feet Underground and Halfway Between Heaven and Earth... are classic Richard Sinclair!

But yes, we die and that's it...

However... timor mortis conturbat me.

It does.


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Posted By: Thadeus
Date Posted: June 14 2007 at 21:01
I believe in Heaven/Hell. 


Posted By: An old fart
Date Posted: June 14 2007 at 22:59
The obvious answer is "how could I know". That's the rational part of me talking.
However, the spiritual part of me is hoping that we continue living in one way or another, because otherwise it wouldn't make any difference how we treat other people, ourselves, animals and environment.
Therefore I wish that we all will face some kind of a Great Court where we get what we deserve, which is a very scary thought too, because neither of us who die as an adult are innocent. On the other hand, I have always thought that no one deserves to be cast down to hell either. But I want to believe in Justice.
Two major things have happened in my life quite recently. My grandmother died late last year and a few weeks ago I became a father for the first time in my life. Somehow I connected these two things in my mind in an intuitive way and I started to think that perhaps dying is a bit like being born: you enter the unknown, you think that something is coming to an end (I believe that it's shocking for a baby to born), but in fact it's only a new beginning. This opens an interesting thought that maybe life/eternity is a neverending cycle of being born and dying.
But, once again, how could I know?

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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 15 2007 at 09:00
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

You go in a wooden box which is buried approximately 6 feet underground. 

There is no afterlife.  There is no reincarnation.

It scares the sh*t out of me. 
...and the last place you want to be when that happens is in a confined space. LOL
 
Not if you are cremated. That's what I want done, and then my ashes spread along the shores of Lake Ontario where I frequent for relaxation. The power of water!


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Posted By: Gnome
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 10:28

Death is the end.



Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 16:37
I believe in heaven/hell, but I can't be certain of this, so I voted "wouldn't know"


Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:13
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

We live and die and... yet... nothing, nothing at all.  That's it.

Immortality (and thus Heaven) is scarier than mortality and death.

Peter Hammill knows it too.




The concept of immortality sounds wonderful to me.


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:21
Living endlessly, being perpetually bored, hearing Abba's "Waterloo" for the 20,484883rd time?  Watching as the earth gets overcrowded and you won't be able to move... of course, unless you mean immortality in heaven itself... then you get to meet long dead people... you'll end up meeting people you have met before and hated.  You will have to endlessly live your life with them, with former bosses, former girlfriends.  You also will not age... I am sorry, but it is an awful concept.

Immortality is scarier than dying, yet dying is also scary.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:52
After Death is Post Death.
 
Or is it?
 
Death is after life.
 
So its Post Life?
 
Which is the same as Death!Big%20smile
 
 
Maybe the question should more logically be "Whats After Life"?
 
Answer...Death.
 
 


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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:54
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Living endlessly, being perpetually bored, hearing Abba's "Waterloo" for the 20,484883rd time?  Watching as the earth gets overcrowded and you won't be able to move... of course, unless you mean immortality in heaven itself... then you get to meet long dead people... you'll end up meeting people you have met before and hated.  You will have to endlessly live your life with them, with former bosses, former girlfriends.  You also will not age... I am sorry, but it is an awful concept.

Immortality is scarier than dying, yet dying is also scary.


Who says we will have a concept of boredom, or even have the same bodies? We know nothing about immortality after death, and in what fashion we would experience it. There's no way we would know that we would end up living on the earth, or even exist in the same universe.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:54
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

After Death is Post Death.
 
Or is it?
 
Death is after life.
 
So its Post Life?
 
Which is the same as Death!Big%20smile
 
 
Maybe the question should more logically be "Whats After Life"?
 
Answer...Death.
 
 
Like it. SmileClap
 


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Posted By: Komodo dragon
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 18:56
DECOMPOSION !

1.Death begins when the heart stops beating. Deprived of oxygen, a cascade of cellular death commences. It begins with brain cells and finishes with the skin cells. Death is therefore a process, rather than an event.
2.Many kinds of organisms live by feeding on dead bodies. In the process, their activities result in the decomposition of the body and the recycling of nutrients. The dominant groups of organisms involved in decomposition are bacteria, flies, beetles, mites and moths. Other animals, mainly parasitoid wasps, predatory beetles and predatory flies, feed on the animals that feed on the corpse. A dead body is therefore an ecosystem of its own, in which different fauna arrive and depart from the corpse at different times.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 19:44
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

We live and die and... yet... nothing, nothing at all.  That's it.

Immortality (and thus Heaven) is scarier than mortality and death.

Peter Hammill knows it too.




The concept of immortality sounds wonderful to me.


I thought it sounded wonderful, and then I started thinking about how boring immortality would be (provoked by Still Life, actually), and now I see that it sucks either way.


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Posted By: An old fart
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 22:18
The boredom of life or the joy of it depends on how much chances you have to choose how you live your life (how do you spend your time and with whom). I don't see any reason why a possible life after death would be automatically and by definition boring, because it lasts forever, if we have a chance to DO something interesting to us and avoid doing unpleasant things. I am perfectly aware that I can never listen (not to mention find) all the music that I would love, see enough films, read enough books, meet enough pleasant people, have enough sex (why other religions than Islam don't promise enough sex after death?), etc. in my lifetime, so I suppose I will still remain "hungry" for life at the moment of dying. To have a chance to continue doing that kind of things after death, that would be my heaven.

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 22:25
Originally posted by Komodo dragon Komodo dragon wrote:

DECOMPOSION !

1.Death begins when the heart stops beating. Deprived of oxygen, a cascade of cellular death commences. It begins with brain cells and finishes with the skin cells. Death is therefore a process, rather than an event.
2.Many kinds of organisms live by feeding on dead bodies. In the process, their activities result in the decomposition of the body and the recycling of nutrients. The dominant groups of organisms involved in decomposition are bacteria, flies, beetles, mites and moths. Other animals, mainly parasitoid wasps, predatory beetles and predatory flies, feed on the animals that feed on the corpse. A dead body is therefore an ecosystem of its own, in which different fauna arrive and depart from the corpse at different times.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/
 
I'm going to be cremated.  Especially after talking about bacteria, flies, beetles, mites and moths eating away at my dead corpse.  I have no interest in being part of the ecosystem of insects and bacteria after I'm dead.
 
Unfortunately for all of you, once I am dead, all of you will also disappear as you are all just a figment of my fevered, drunken imagination.


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 17 2007 at 22:45
Originally posted by An old fart An old fart wrote:

The boredom of life or the joy of it depends on how much chances you have to choose how you live your life (how do you spend your time and with whom). I don't see any reason why a possible life after death would be automatically and by definition boring, because it lasts forever, if we have a chance to DO something interesting to us and avoid doing unpleasant things. I am perfectly aware that I can never listen (not to mention find) all the music that I would love, see enough films, read enough books, meet enough pleasant people, have enough sex (why other religions than Islam don't promise enough sex after death?), etc. in my lifetime, so I suppose I will still remain "hungry" for life at the moment of dying. To have a chance to continue doing that kind of things after death, that would be my heaven.


Faced with an infinite amount of time, you will eventually run out of entertaining things to do. 


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 00:17
It's always good talking about stuff as if we have any concept of what that stuff is.


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Posted By: Psychedelia
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 06:52
i disagree with all this immortality would be bad malarcky. I dont believe you'd become eternally bored and have nothing to do. The world is forever changing and there is so much you could do, i dont think you would ever come to a point where there is literally nothing left.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 07:10
Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

i disagree with all this immortality would be bad malarcky. I dont believe you'd become eternally bored and have nothing to do. The world is forever changing and there is so much you could do, i dont think you would ever come to a point where there is literally nothing left.
 
You may even get new worlds to conquer!


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 07:13
Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

i disagree with all this immortality would be bad malarcky. I dont believe you'd become eternally bored and have nothing to do. The world is forever changing and there is so much you could do, i dont think you would ever come to a point where there is literally nothing left.
I agree with your disagreeing, immortality does not mean eternal boredom.
 
There aren't enough hours in the day as it is to do all the things I want to do and to listen to all the music I want to listen to (or even sleep all I want to sleep). I cannot imagine that my imagination would run out of ideas, even it became totally bereft of external input I'd stil have an eternety of memories to draw inspiration from.
 
However, I can understand that some people would not be able to handle it, some people can't cope without TV for a hour without slumping into a whining mope, complaining "I'm bored, there's nothing to do..."
 
/edit - in my Outlook post box there were two consecutive notification emails: After Death... The Grey Room. LOL


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Posted By: proger
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 09:56
we woke to complete darkness, and find afterlife very boarded! whahaha

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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 10:34
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Who says we will have a concept of boredom, or even have the same bodies? We know nothing about immortality after death, and in what fashion we would experience it. There's no way we would know that we would end up living on the earth, or even exist in the same universe.
 
Here's a thought.  Much of the after life promises made pertain to things that effect us with the earthly frame of mind. We would determine our "fate" based on earthly desires.  Our religions all have a human mentality and cater to earthly needs.
 
 


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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 11:15
I think it's the end and you go nowhere...Cry

But I also think we (the human race) would be better off if we ALL thought this, then perhaps we would make more of being alive and treat life as sacrosanct!

We can always dream I suppose....


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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 11:18
Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

i disagree with all this immortality would be bad malarcky. I dont believe you'd become eternally bored and have nothing to do. The world is forever changing and there is so much you could do, i dont think you would ever come to a point where there is literally nothing left.


The Star Trek episode "Requiem for Methuselah" says that immortality is a curse. If Star Trek says it, it must be so.


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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 16:05
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by An old fart An old fart wrote:

The boredom of life or the joy of it depends on how much chances you have to choose how you live your life (how do you spend your time and with whom). I don't see any reason why a possible life after death would be automatically and by definition boring, because it lasts forever, if we have a chance to DO something interesting to us and avoid doing unpleasant things. I am perfectly aware that I can never listen (not to mention find) all the music that I would love, see enough films, read enough books, meet enough pleasant people, have enough sex (why other religions than Islam don't promise enough sex after death?), etc. in my lifetime, so I suppose I will still remain "hungry" for life at the moment of dying. To have a chance to continue doing that kind of things after death, that would be my heaven.


Faced with an infinite amount of time, you will eventually run out of entertaining things to do. 


We may not even have a concept of time in an afterlife (if one indeed exists). We could possibly exist outside of space-time. Who knows? So the question of boredom seems truly irrelevant to this discussion.

Besides, I brook no competition in the time debate. I am, after all, the TARDIS...

(and for those of you who don't know, it stands for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space)

Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 16:10
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:


Besides, I brook no competition in the time debate. I am, after all, the TARDIS...

(and for those of you who don't know, it stands for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space)

Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile
 
Yes, but I am the Doctor, so that makes you my b****.  Tongue


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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 16:11
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Besides, I brook no competition in the time debate. I am, after all, the TARDIS...
(and for those of you who don't know, it stands for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space)
Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile
 
OK, no disrespect, so don't go looking to much into this, but when I read your name I think something completely different.  First four letters in particular.  Shocked LOL
 
 


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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 18 2007 at 17:42
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

 
Unfortunately for all of you, once I am dead, all of you will also disappear as you are all just a figment of my fevered, drunken imagination.


A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_idealism - subjective idealist perhaps?

A very interesting philosphy. Personally, I lean more towards phenomenalism though.


Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 02:07
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Besides, I brook no competition in the time debate. I am, after all, the TARDIS...
(and for those of you who don't know, it stands for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space)
Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile
 
OK, no disrespect, so don't go looking to much into this, but when I read your name I think something completely different.  First four letters in particular.  Shocked LOL
 
 


Nice try, but I've heard that way too many times to find it even remotely amusing Wink


Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 02:07
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:


Besides, I brook no competition in the time debate. I am, after all, the TARDIS...

(and for those of you who don't know, it stands for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space)

Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile
 
Yes, but I am the Doctor, so that makes you my b****.  Tongue


And where would you be without me, hmm?Wink


Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 02:19
we'll never know the truth - nobody's ever come back to tell us...Ermm


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Posted By: purplepiper
Date Posted: June 19 2007 at 03:03
i'm a what do you call it, agnostic I think. I think you're not very smart if you think you can claim to know whether there is or isn't an afterlife. I mean, chances are, if you're reading this, you've never been dead. I must say though, I lean toward atheism most of the time.

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 21 2007 at 03:35
I like the Bhuddist idea of contibual reincarnation on a cycle of personal improvement until attaining perfection & becoming one with the Supreme.

Never know, though, will we?

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I'm going to be cremated.  Especially after talking about bacteria, flies, beetles, mites and moths eating away at my dead corpse.  I have no interest in being part of the ecosystem of insects and bacteria after I'm dead


That's what you think - when you go, we're going to smother your body in honey & stake you out over an anthill, then release the flies... Mwahahahahaha!

That's in a little poor taste, isn't it?

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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 23 2007 at 19:05
I envy atheists. Such blatant certainty must be comforting.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 23 2007 at 20:17
After Death I'm sure there was Atheist... or some other floridean metal band...
 
Tongue


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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 23 2007 at 23:48
Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

I envy atheists. Such blatant certainty must be comforting.


It's hardly comforting to know that there is nothing at all after death.  I have maybe 80 more years, and the fact that time passes so quickly is rather frightening. 


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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: June 23 2007 at 23:52
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

After Death I'm sure there was Atheist... or some other floridean metal band...
 
Tongue
LOL
Damn, you beat me to it
 
I  became Cynic of life after Death, making me Atheist. 


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 00:54
WE ALL BURN IN THE DEPTHS OF HELL, FOR OUR ROTTEN SOULS WILL BE FOREVER PUNISHED BY THE DEEPEST EVIL HIMSELF, ROBERT FRIPP!


Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 01:02
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

WE ALL BURN IN THE DEPTHS OF HELL, FOR OUR ROTTEN SOULS WILL BE FOREVER PUNISHED BY THE DEEPEST EVIL HIMSELF, ROBERT FRIPP!


The only ones Fripp will sentence to eternal suffering will be the ones who call him evil. 


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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 08:37
Wouldn't know - though presumably out atoms/molecules are recycled given time


Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 13:24
I too voted for the 'Wouldn't Know' option... a safe bet, means I don't have to throw in my lot with a certain religion that could be way off!

I do think, as Limeyrob said above, that our energy is recycled back into the planet which gave us life.
 
It is, to me, the most believeable option out of the many stories thrown about, and the one which actually feels right.


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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 13:33
We are reincarnated

as Fish or Sheep

depend on your Karma


Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 13:59
A good opportunity to see how horrible it is to be butchered then consumed! Perfect Big%20smile

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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 14:08
We go back to the character creation screen at the cost of our memories. ;)

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Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 14:16
I'm a believer and once I was explained Heaven and Hell in terms of your ultimate relationship with God: Heaven is enjoying all of his love in eternity. Hell is just the same, but it should be like getting a very precious gift from a person who you've caused much evil to: it's the sense of guiltiness that makes you feel devoured inside.
Sorry for beeing so "theological", but I believe in this as well as I believe in God.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 24 2007 at 20:49
Originally posted by R o V e R R o V e R wrote:

We are reincarnated

as Fish or Sheep

depend on your Karma
 
Can't we reincarnate as Steve Hogarth instead?
 
Tongue


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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 00:53
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

I envy atheists. Such blatant certainty must be comforting.


It's hardly comforting to know that there is nothing at all after death.  I have maybe 80 more years, and the fact that time passes so quickly is rather frightening. 


True. I never looked at it that way. And yet I still envy those who feel so certain about something so unknowable...I'd give anything to understand how they reach such a stage of certainty. Also, I'd be interested in their proving their certainty, although I'm sure that would be difficult.


Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:07
It's just obvious to me.  It's hard to explain; the way the universe fits together so well is beautiful, almost perfect. To me it seems that the universe is simply too perfect and beautiful to have been crafted that way by some being, if that makes any sense. 

Essentially, everything just makes too much sense to me without a supreme being for there to be a supreme being. 


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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: July 15 2007 at 00:06
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
I hope we reincarnate or join our loved ones... i just can't figure it all ending when we die... But the more I get my logic into the analysis, the more I'm convinced it's like that, so let's not think about what we can't change.


I ditto that. There's "something else" about everything. I think the fact that people have a sense of self-awareness, creativity, and the ability to think/problem-solve isn't by chance; I choose "Spirit World" as the closest answer.


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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: July 15 2007 at 00:08
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

It's just obvious to me.  It's hard to explain; the way the universe fits together so well is beautiful, almost perfect. To me it seems that the universe is simply too perfect and beautiful to have been crafted that way by some being, if that makes any sense. 

Essentially, everything just makes too much sense to me without a supreme being for there to be a supreme being. 


Yes, a singular god/deity that created everything isn't logical to me either, but in the sense that if "He" is the creator, then where the hell did he come from? Wouldn't he then logically have to have been created himself? And who would have done that? And on, and on...


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