Russian Prog Appreciation Thread
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Topic: Russian Prog Appreciation Thread
Posted By: Prog-jester
Subject: Russian Prog Appreciation Thread
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 12:58
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Happy New Year to everyone first of all!
I always wanted to start this thread.Not only because I'm living in post-USSR country and still feeling myself at one with all other post-USSRs countries(as 90% of them do either) spiritually and even musically... I discovered Russian/USSR/post-USSR Prog this year, and this is one of my biggest discoveries up to date.Each band I became aware of, impressed me a lot - not because "wow, we can make Prog!" , but because this Prog is REALLY that great and different from other bands I heard! Just to mention/recommend - LITTLE TRAGEDIES - pure brilliance for keyboard-prog fans! Imagine ELP mixed with a bit of Prog-Metal and Russian Romance tradition!!!Bombastic musicianship and excellent melodic feeling! LT are to release their new DOUBLE album this spring, so Erik - be prepared! 
EXTROVERT - I ain't great Prog-Metal fan, but these guys made me forget about it!Imagine classical DREAM THEATER with a bit of Scandinavian Prog, Art Rock, Russian Ballad etc throen in there! Guys are to release their second album later this year, promising to provide more original sound and manner...I'm going to post interview by me with their bassist (Max) in Interview Forum soon! DISEN GAGE - instrumental and experimental!Melodical and challenging!Imagine 80s Crimson mixed with Art Rock, Russian music, elements of avant and improvised Prog and wrapped into elegant form of instrumental pieces!You know what I'm going to say further, don't you?Yes, these ones are to release their new one soon TOO!!! INFRONT - I've already wrote a bio,and I hope this amazing Art Rock band to appear here soon!Imagine an instrumental mix of ANEKDOTEN, INDUKTI, some Post-rock/metal and Fusion marked with outstanding Melodic feeling!Check their free samples http://www.realmusic.ru/infront - here ! AVTOGRAF - essential Legend of Russian Art-Rock(from powerful Hard-Rock/Sympho-Prog of early albums to Pomp-Rock/Neo-Prog of later ones)!They re-united last Summer to make a tour(just check the DVD!), and hundreds of their fans are praying for the new album!!! NYL - the only Russian Neo-prog band I know, and it's very good.Solid structures, great musicianship, nice mixture of Hard/Art-Rock in Kansas/Styx/Queen type with Arena/Pendragon/IQ Neo-Prog.They're working on their new album hoping to release it during the year. ESTHETIC EDUCATION - these guys are from Ukraine, and they play a mixture of Modern Prog with DOORS-like cheerful bluesy insanity.Elements of everything are mixed in highly talented outfit's music.Check their music http://www.estheticeducation.com/lite/v5.5/eng/ - here (click MUSIC and then SONGS).Begin with their only studio album FACE READING and then check single and live release FLEUR - mellow sophisticated music played mostly on acoustical instruments(recent albumis a bit more modern).Imagine a mixture of PAATOS with MOSTLY AUTUMN with Gothic flavour.FLEUR is from Ukraine too, and their CDs are avalaible on Prikosnovenie label.Listen to some songs http://fleur.kiev.ua/maine.html - here (click on MUSIC and then on songs' names).I plan to add them here too! KARFAGEN - instrumental symphonic prog from Ukraine, influenced by CAMEL and ALAN PARSONS.Well-recorded and written,this is my favourite release from Russian/Ukrainian Prog from the year 2006!Check them at Unicorn rec' site where some samples avalaible. ... I remember somebody asked what is going to be the Discovery of 2007...maybe, someone from the above-mentioned?
give me some time to rest and I'll continue! Also I have some explanations why there is so little prog in Russia/post-USSR! |
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 13:01
Oh, really?
 I've heard two versions: one suggests that the idea of progressive rock somehow contradicts the Slavonic mindset and values, the other one claims that the cold war and the political state of USSR is/was the reason.
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Prog-jester wrote:Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 13:11
I think Iron Curtain situation is/was the reason, and after it's fall everything started to change slowly, and these changes is what we are seeing today. It will take time obviously, but the prog scene on ex-USSR territory is bound to improve, I guess.
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Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 13:53
| You miss the best two: Arsenal and Horizont |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 14:38
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 14:41
Well, I promised to continue!
ARSENAL - leading Jazz-Rock band of USSR (still alive and living well!).Led by essential Alexander Kozlov on sax, it's still provides high-class jazz-rock recommended to everybody! HORIZONT - one of the best Symphonic Soviet bands, released only two albums in 80s.Instrumental Prog sometimes edging avant/fusion, marked with outstanding musicianship and feeling of harmony - bloody rare but awesome! AQUARIUM - Art Rock mainly due to BG's(Boris Grebenshikov,the leader) charisma.Beginning with underground experimental rock in early 80s, now AQUARIUM's albums contain elements of Reggae,World and Indo/Raga music. Yes, my version is connected with Iron Curtain.Rock Music was forbidden, and also new trends in it were coming later to USSR - for example,Punk-Rock obsession in USSR has began in early 80s, when the whole world has almost forgot about it to that time.Prog Rock has never been popular not only due to its complexness,it happened because of growing popularity of SOCIAL side of Russian Rock.I mean you could sing (without being able to  ) about absence of sugar, and that what was called Rock. Majority of Soviet Rock listeners sacrifised musical side to LYRICS - so, there's no place for Prog-Rock with its instrumentals and virtuosity.Can you imagine a Prog song about Gorbacheff's new reform?
Considering absense of Prog nowadays - again it's connected with social factors. As you know/understood, among all Soviet Rock bands only 5-10% were Prog/Prog-Related. Others were Punk,Heavy ,more Extreme etc.When USSR collapsed,musical industry did the same surely.Pop Music recovered pretty fast,and almost the same way fast did punks,metallists etc - the TRADITION of these kinds of music has been secured due to its major popularity (in comparing to Prog).When the rest of the world had the Prog Silver Age Birth (with release of "Hybris" and "Images and Words"),we had NOTHING(well, RAINY SEASON's album was released during that time...any exception proves the rule).We have LOST the TRADITION of Prog. When Prog bands from all over the world had their fans and CD releases,we lost almost a generation.As I noticed, Prog in our contries is popular among some 18-20 years-old boys(0,0000001% from all post-USSR population I guess ) and 40-55 years-old men - sons and fathers  . We've missed the middle.The young ones listen mostly to Modern/Metal/Post Prog ,their fathers - to Symphonic/Art...
Now we're having something like Prog had in 80-81 - "something is going to emerge".While the whole world has hundreds of independent labels and thousands of bands, we have only few who are releasing albums by their own means and know each other very well(due to living in Moscow mostly ).Situation can get better - thanks to the Web - just keep searching to new music, proggers , and DO NOT consider it to be average only because it is not Scandinavian,English or Italian.
I really am sorry that such great bands like DISEN GAGE, INFRONT, LITTLE TRAGEDIES, EXTROVERT, KARFAGEN and others mentioned above have so little attention mainly because they are hard to find. They have terrible conditions to create and record their music,and only their talent keeps them from giving it all up |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 14:44
Yes, the ones from this year. Some thoughts on topic for Russian-speakers http://vmeste.org/dcforum2/DCForumID7/413.html#22 - here .Nice thread! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 16:20
Great lists there Igor and a great theory! I suggest everuone check these bands out all great!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 16:25
Thanks Ansen 
BTW, right now I'm listening to Ukrainian Symphonic/Fusion instrumental band ER.J.ORCHESTRA(http://www.erjorchestra.kiev.ua/eng/).AWESOME!!! Download their stuff from MUSIC page, you won't regret!!! Imagine CLEARLIGHT mixed with CRIMSON and ANGLAGARD!!! Hey EVERYBODY what are you waiting for? Download it too!!!It's legal and free!!!Great(despite the low quality)! |
Posted By: honganji
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 17:37
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I like Eduard Artemiev, Sepsis, Araks, Farlanders. Of course I like Horizont, Avtograf, Er.J.Orchestra, Karfagen etc which are already mentioned. I have collected many Russian progressive rock albums since early 1980s. In my opinion, the best Russian progressive album is Eduard Artemiev / Teplo Zemli (Warmth Of Earth).
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 17:45
Haven't heard anything from Artemiev yet Only as a background in Tarkovsky's STALKER
Honganji,please,PM me with list of all Russians/post-USSRs/USSRs Proggers you have!!! BTW,I checked Er.J.Orchestra by your recommendation...they are awesome!!!
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 17:50
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Today I played New Faust by Little Tragedies, incredible, what an outstanding and exciting blend of classical, folk, Classic Seventies Symphonic Rock and heavy metal, for sure it will be in my 2006 Album Top 3 By the way, the symphonic thread got more and more competition, today yet another interesting thread, good luck Prog-jester |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 18:21
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Erik,check the Ukrainian band http://www.erjorchestra.kiev.ua/eng/music/ - Er.J.Orchestra !!! This is superb blend of Fusion,Sympho and World music!They MUST be here FOR SURE!!! Good Lord, I discovered them JUST TODAY!!!
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Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 20:54
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I only own Horizont and Artemiev(which music i discovered through my beloved Tarkovsky's films),i would like to know other Russian bands ,i will check for the recommendations on this thread to enlarge my russian prog collection. And i understand a little your feeling about your country's prog Prog-jester,because in Yugoslavia there was also very good prog bands in the 70s of which i didnt know anything about before i discovered this site,every corner of the world have his lost/obscure gems,but what a joy is to discover them.There was many great albums in Eastern Europe but due to the politics at the time,there weren't exposed. ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 00:43
You're absolutely right.
But, somehow, I always considered Aquarium to be in the same row as Kino, DDT, Nautilus Pompilius, or Mashina Vremeni, i.e., lyrics-oriented. And (sorry, sorry, sorry everybody who loves Aquarium), I just can't stand them. Well, not them. Him. Because of his manner of singing and, mostly, because of his lyrics.
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Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 01:04
That was the same in socialist Yugoslavia,after the so called new wave movement in the late 70s (same as punk movement in UK) ,prog disapeared forever from the Yu rock scene,because lyrics became more important than music. ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 04:51
Yes, BG has always been more attentive to lyrics than to musical side.Anyway,there can be at least 10-20 art-rock songs in his entire career . I think AQUARIUM's adding happened mainly due to The Miracle's unquestionable authority...he the grey cardinal RULES this site!!! 
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 07:03
I kinda agree with Fassbinder here - Aquarium are lyrics-oriented band as well as majority of Soviet bands. Poetry of BG is not everybody's cup of tea - my first wife, for example, was getting furious about them, I however consider good part of them to bear a touch of Genius, as opposed to Kino and Nautilus Pompilius. As lyricist, Shevchuk from DDT is my favourite and Makarevich (Mashina Vremeni) is also great. But all these bands are definitely song-oriented with emphasis on lyrics. Musically all of them are very mediocre, with rather primitive vocals melodies and simple easy accessible musical arrangements.
All in all these bands are falling in footsteps of Russian Bards, with only difference that bards are accompanied by a guitar, and these guys are accompanied by a band, transforming bards tradition in a modern way, making it more accessible for modern listener, and bringing it closer to their audience.
IMHO all these bands, being an interesting and important musical phenomenon of Soviet culture, have nothing to do with Prog whatsoever.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:35
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Just been introduced to Sepsis (does anybody know of the whereabouts of the original band members?) by Alan Freeman of Ultima Thule, which continues to be a great store for European prog. BTW Freeman suggests the bandto sound a hybrid of Yes with the quirky time signatures of the Magic Band. Gunesh from the old eastern central part of the old USSR, i.e. Turkmanistan, needs to be mentioned for their eastern biassed jazz rock. Apparently Peter Gabriel tried but failed to obtain the services of their drummer/leader Rishad Shafi in the late 80's. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:36
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Well,I'm really interested in what way was the Soviet public divided back in 80s...I mean nowadays most of the young Russian proggers I communicate with tend to despise Russian Lyric-oriented Rock and rather throw themselves into hardly-bearable avan-stuff instead of listening to a single song from BG or DDT.Do you know how it was back in 80s?Did Prog listeners from USSR despised RusRock bands?
Personally I appreciate the marked sides of both - lyrical one in RusRock and musical one in Prog.There are good examples of nice lyrics along with great prog on our scene,BTW - just to name EXTROVERT and FLEUR as examples. And there are hardly-bearable ones - like...well,you know,these Gumilev-fans... hope,NotAProgHead won't kill me for the words I wrote - as long as I know he likes their lyrical side as much as the musical one
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:44
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Dick,never heard these two,but going to
Now listening to BOSCH;S WITH YOU - Russian Post-rock outfit.They have some tracks free-to-download from their site.Check them, guys!!! It's like GYBE meets Mogwai!!! |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:44
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Honganji, I'm expecting your PM!!!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 16:27
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I'm curious, however, what would I said about Aquarium had I no acquaintance with Russian.
Actually, my mainest problem with Russian music is the fact that I do understand the lyrics (well, with the single exception of BG's lyrics -- I'm not sure there is anyone who understands them fully, including BG himself; in his case I can say that I understand all (most
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:15
That one is good!!! well,yeah,sometimes lyrical part can spoil the whole impression - again here I mean this ELP-influenced band... I hope their next would be better from this side.
I guess most of Russian proggers are aware of that side - it's very hard to combine Prog music with good Russian lyrics,that's why there's a great number of INSTRUMENTAL PROG in Russia/CIS/USSR.Music speaks for itself
Once again, I found some bands to be great in poetry - EXTROVERT and FLEUR |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:25
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Don't forget Ole Lukkoye - I saw them live in Germany I think two or three years ago - a very impressive concert
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Posted By: honganji
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:29
Please wait. I have only one body.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:32
just found their site today,never heard them before. I think I should leave my University and concentrate on submitting Russian bands here!!!!!!!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:33
one of many human's flaws
Just made an AUTOGRAPH's Kamenny Kray review.Not their best,but a worthy one for 80s' sound lovers(a mix of late Rush and Floyd) |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:43
 Not a good idea if you want to earn money sometimes ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:45
I don't care at all for Kino, DDT or Nautilus, Mashina Vremeni, etc. but Aquarium are one of my favorite bands. BG is a genius composer! maybe you haven't heard enough? He's my favorite lyricist ever too, but that's another story. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 17:54
Absurdist verses are only part of BG's lyrical output, apart from those he wrote some very understandable poetry.
There is so called "associative" poetry which bears no exact meaning but only creates some associations, impressions and images, which I find to be very much to my likings, and also some of his abstract verses are absolutely brilliant IMO. I think he was very much influenced by Jon Anderson in writing non-sensical songs. Unfortunately BG is no-where near JA music-wise.
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 18:02
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 18:04
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You don't need to understand them - you need to feel them. You also have to be very educated to get all the associations - BG is one of the most brilliant and intelligent people I've heard of and he pulls associations from literature, mythology, history, etc. so you need to know some of that stuff to understand. I don;t always get his associations but the poetry itself is simply beautiful and full of emotion. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 18:06
I guess his music is just not your cup of tea. Several maybe enough(depends on how much several is - I have 17 Aquarium CD's and it still feels incomplete). Some eras are more musical, others are more lyrical, plenty of genres and influences they experimented with. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 18:13
You get the point -- the problem is not in understanding. I haven't said I don't understand him. I just don't like anything he wrote regardless of understanding or misunderstanding. The problem is in feelings. The way he represents his thoughts is just unbearable for me.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 18:15
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Well then it's just not your cup o' tea. Opinion respected
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 18:20
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Yes, indeed. Pay attention that I haven't said a single word against his intelligence nor about the quality of his verses. It was all about the feelings.
BTW. "several" albums -- it should be 5 or 6, if I remember rightly. I still have something on cassettes, but I don't listen to it already.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 01:15
I have all AQUARIUM in mp3 except BG's solo works and most of experimental/AQUARIUM-related stuff.I want to find SERGEY KURYOHIN's stuff - he used to be an AQUARIUM and KINO guest keyboardist,but he's more known as Russian chamber/RIO/experimenta; composer (died in 1995 from a heart attack  ).I heard his music in one movie, and it's simply AMAZING.
Same goes to Artemiev.Still no luck .I'm hoping to download some legal stuff later
Ansen,have you downloaded DISEN GAGE's early songs from 1999?(united into one track lasting 7:54).Funny stuff!!!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 01:29
The movie with Kuryokhin's music is "Gospodin Oformitel'", isn't it?
It's easier to find the films with his and Artemiev's music, maybe...
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 02:16
oh yes,it was Gospodin! a Russian answer to Lynch! I have Stalker and Solaris by Tarkovsky with Artemiev;s music.That's not enough
Now listening to DISEN GAGE...great!!!Bloody great! I must prepare a review!I should have been on adding them...
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 03:06
Straight out of memory -- "Sibiriada" (Konchalovsky), "Urga" (Mikhalkov), "Okhota na lis" (Abdrash*tov). At least first two are highly recommended also as films. The music, of course, by Artemiev. There are plenty of other movies with his music also.
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 06:36
If you don't ask - you don't get. I have 6 albums by Kuryokhin. Find them very interesting, but a bit repetitive. "The Rich's Opera" and "Sparrow Oratorium" are his best IMO. Also have his soudtracks for Mister Designer, Two Captains-2 plus his "Tragedy in Rock" and "Popular Science" with Henry Kaiser. He was highly acclaimed in the west, but went practically unnoticed in his own country, which is famous for ignoring it's own talents.
I also heard Kuryokhin's work with BG, but disliked it.
Anyway - highly recommended artist!
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 07:21
The few Russian and other old USSR bands I have in my collection, appear to be released on CD by the Music Boheme Records label based in Moscow. So their catalogue seems to be one worth checking out. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 14:57
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^ thanks Dick.There's also another band worth checking from Boheme music - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32248&KW=lost+world - LOST WORLD
Check it up!!! Eugene,I'm to PM you now...
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:05
| BTW, Russian speakers, check LOST WORLD's site and read about their new album!These guys provided the best sense of humor I ever known in Prog!!! so sophisticated and so funny comments!!! |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 18:39
| check the Downloads sticky topic - I post there few legal links on the most recommended Russian bands which are not here yet |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 07 2007 at 06:49
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LOST WORLD - the fragment of working process(taken from the official http://lostworld.ru - web-site )
Soloviev and his flute came to visit Didorenko, who was deeply and securely submerged in the recording of a new composition. Upon seeing his friend, Didorenko happily pressed a microphone against his throat and said: ”Play this: E-D-D-E”. Soloviev, unabashed, took out the flute, a piece of staffed paper, a pencil, settled comfortably on the sofa and got ready to write. D. (indignantly) There’s nothing to write! Just play E-D-D-E. S. Wait-wait-wait, what do you mean E-D-D-E? I can’t just up and play E-D-D-E. D. You can, too. Otherwise why did you graduate the conservatory? S. And post-graduated as well. D. Anyway, you should play here, first E-D-D-E, then G-F-F-G, then higher and more notes. Each time, higher and more notes, get it? S. What notes? D. Just notes, any notes. S. You sure? D. Absolutely. S. Here you go, then! Didorenko, rubbing hands, leaps to the computer and hits “record”. Soloviev plays a few notes and stops, pensive. D. Great! S. I doubt it. D. Sounds cool! S. Rubbish. D. What the doctor ordered! S. Totally sucks. Pause. S. Well, is it on? D. What for? We’ve already done it. S. (in disbelief) Really? No, c’mon, wait, I’ll play one more time. D. No-no-no. S. Are you drunk? D. I’m telling you, it’s all fine. S. (yells) Let me play again, you are idiot, flute is out of tune, notes all wrong! D. (doubtfully) Sounds OK as it is to me. All right, an extra take, just in case. Recording on. Soloviev plays. Stops. S. (satisfied) Now we’re talking! D. (unconvinced) Yeah? S. (confident) Of course! D. I dunno, I think it was better the other time. S. That other time, I played total rubbish. Now, at least it makes sense. D. None whatsoever. Do it again. S. I don’t know what’s not to like… OK. Recording on. Soloviev is not playing. D. Well? S. So what do I play? D. (exasperated) No idea. It’s all done already. S. Yeah, I think so. Second take is awesome. D. First take is perfect. Akimov. (comes back from the kitchen, chewing) That’s it, then! We’ll take take one part one, and take two part two. And we’ll start mixing. S. Thank God. Just make the flute really quiet, so it can’t be heard. It really sucks. D. Flute’s great! But do make sure one can hear the guitar and bass. And the violin. And the keyboard, too. A. Don’t worry guys! (Turns on drums, top volume). So how’s balance? S. Super. A little less flute, though. A. What flute? There isn’t any flute. S. Aha. I guess all’s cool then. A. Let’s even out those drums first. (Puts on headphones, becomes immersed in sound of bass drum). D & S sit in silence for a while, then exchange meaningful glances, get up, and tiptoe to the kitchen to boil water for dumplings. |
Posted By: smcfee
Date Posted: January 07 2007 at 21:29
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Interesting stuff so far guys. I am curious about a few artists/bands: Yevgeni Yevtushenko - a poet who did an album around 1980 called CONFESSION. Zhurbin - Orpheus and Eurydice. This is supposedly a rock opera that was pretty successful in the USSR. My question would be how PROG is it? Alexander Gradsky - poet who did some synthesizer albums said to be prog. I heard "La Vie Immediate" from mid-80s and it was not so great, but maybe the stuff from the 70s / early 80s are of more interest? Giedrius Kuprevicius - Lithuanian who did two "important" rock operas in the 70s, but again, are they interesting to a prog fan? Voskresenie - obscure "guitar psych" from early 80s... any good? As for me, I will mention Samkha and Epos, two fairly good bands from the late 80s / early 90s on CD from Boheme. Regards, Sean |
Posted By: artguyken
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 01:09
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An up and coming Post Soviet band to watch for ( a group of Russian speaking musicians ) is Fromuz! http://fromuzband.com or you can listen and order their upcoming DVD/CD combo at: http://www.10trecords.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=22 Enjoy! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 02:36
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I see you guys have added Песьняров... Which are the best albums to start with(our Russian music store might have them)?
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 04:19
"Gusliar" is their most progressive effort.
First 4 albums are very good but have not been released on CD till now. 2 compilations by "Melodiya" label contain many tracks from these albums.
My other personal favourite is the album "For The Whole of the War" (again, it has not been released on CD).
And there are many bizarre compilations mixing songs from different periods (and often varying in sound quality). Visit the Discography section of the site http://vma-pesnyary.com/discograph/discograph.php - http://vma-pesnyary.com/discograph/discograph.php , it can help you to choose the right CD to start.
IMO the best are:
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 06:14
Great jazz-rock.I heard you're to play on BAJA PROG? Congratulations! Magic fest, good company... BTW, are you on Archives alreay? Did anyone want to submit you? |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 06:27
no.Not Prog, not interesting.
It's not that Prog, it's a good piece of Music.From Russian rock-operas I'd recommend you "Juno and Avos" and "The Star and the Death of Hoakin Murieta"(btw, Gradsky participates here as long as I know).BTW, Russian Prog-Metal band http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2701 - EXTROVERT use to perform it when they were accompaniators in Irkutsk's Musical theatre
Well, Gradsky is a Must if you are interested in a Russian music and culture as a whole.He's not Prog, but he has incredible voice
Never heard of him. I know that Russian Art-Rock band DIALOG use to play two 30-40 min long pieces on Baltic poet's lyrics...forgot his name,sorry.
They would probably die laughunig from what you've written about them! They neither psych nor anything worthy.If you check the first page of this thread, you'll notice, that most of Soviet Rockers were obsessed with lyrics and pay little attention to musical side(kinda "bards with electro-guitars").Well, Voskresenie - typical example of that kind of music.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 06:29
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Thanks Zhenya for joining in я подумывал уже бросит тему,а она живет !!!
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Posted By: artguyken
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 09:20
Spacibo za otvet! I'm not sure. Garion might have, but I don't know if he archived the music or just began letting PA know about the band. Yes. The details are being worked out for coming to Baja Prog. (you know visas must be obtained, etc) There are a lot of great bands playing their, so it is an honor to have been invited. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 09:43
oh yeah,I'd love to visit BAJA PROG, but sadly have no opportunity .INDUKTI, FROMUZ, FOCUS, UNIVERS ZERO - awesome collection!
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 10:45
Gradsky never participated in "The Star and the Death of Joakin Murieta". The album has been recorded by the band ARAKS with some guest singers.
Gradsky released, in the beginning of 80s, his own rock-opera, "Stadion" ("The Stadium"), dedicated to the events in Chile, 1973. Many Soviet rock and pop-stars have been involved in this project.
Those who interested can listen lots of Gradsky albums here: http://www.russiandvd.com/store/person.asp?type=artist&id=4962 - http://www.russiandvd.com/store/person.asp?type=artist&id=4962 .
Better start with "Zolotoe star'e" ("Oldies Goldies"), tracks 1 - 15. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 11:26
I found his compćilation of Tarkovsky soundtracks at the local library, and liked it much (though I had heard these on the films). I'll try to hunt down the album you recommended!
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 13:10
I will have them added just as soon as the CD is released so I can get that info as well. Need to have at least one cd out there.
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Posted By: artguyken
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 14:00
by the way... I mentioned Enver Izmailov (not prog, but former Soviet who might still be of interest) here's a page with some of his music: http://www.sparinsky.kiev.ua/izmailov.html |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 14:27
indeed, he's great touch-giutarist...I saw video of him performing live in Donetsk at some local jazz fest...great... |
Posted By: honganji
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 16:49
I think this is very interesting album. When I bought it in the middle of 1980s, I was very impressed at this music.
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 06:03
I'm getting curious here. Yevtushenko is well known Russian Soviet poet (one of my parents' favourites), and I like some of his poetry a lot. I never heard about him as a composer. Is it him who wrote the music for this album or is the music written by other composer(s) and adapted for Yevtushenko's verses???
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 12:57
Music was wriiten by Gleb May. ARAKS played music, Yevtushenko recited his poetry.
I found out the album has been reissued on CD. You can listen it here: http://www.russiandvd.com/store/product.asp?sku=41975&genreid= - http://www.russiandvd.com/store/product.asp?sku=41975&genreid= ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 14:36
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^^^Thanks for the info, NotAProghead.
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Posted By: honganji
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 16:36
 This is the album cover. English title is Confession. This is no.4 favorite album of 80s Russian progressive rock.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 17:51
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Prog + Yevtushenko = lyrics to PESNYARY's stunning 13-minute epic "VANKA-VSTANKA"
that's all I can contribute here
ARAKS is a great band,but doubtfully Progressive.I must check them again (borrow from my father's cassete collection) |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 01:31
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...and it seems that everybody has forgotten... has forgotten the very first Soviet Prog album -- Po Volne Moej Pam'ati (1975).
Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn... I mean, David Tukhmanov?
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 04:10
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^I never heard this one,but I heard 1000 times ABOUT it. It's also homorously called "David Tukhmanov In Rock" .Is it avalaible on CD?
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 06:06
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Yes, it's availavle on CD, and even in two versions -- the original one and the remake. The remake is slightly different and is not recommended as long as there is an original. I never heard the remake, I was only told it is not recommended. The original release (the CD of it, more precisely) is just wonderful, in my opinion. And there must be plenty of those CDs in shops...
At last, it may be simply interesting from the historical point of view.
But where is NotAProghead when there is a need to say a couple of words in favour of this album?
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 10:24
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Now I'm here.
I agree "Po Volne Moej Pam'ati " (1975) is the first Soviet prog album released OFICIALLY in USSR. Highly recommended.
Prog-jester, your father should know it! Check his collection.
Here is the cover of original album:
 Interesting link: http://csg.spb.ru/ZData//Tuhmanow/cover.htm - http://csg.spb.ru/ZData//Tuhmanow/cover.htm
This one is remake, avoid it:
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 15:38
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I swear I SAW the original's picture in Luganks's store in Russian Rock section!!! Holy crap!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 15:42
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A propos Vera Lynn, by the way...
Has anyone heard Russian words in The Wall by Pink Floyd?
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 16:46
| I know they mention Brejnev in 84's album...Do you mean that childlish chat in Another Brick in the Wall's coda? |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:30
| No. You surely remember the yelling with the helicopter's rush as a background (in "Another Brick... part 2"). The text is: "You! Yes, you! Stand still, laddy!". I don't dispute this. I'm just saying that I hear (I swear) "Э! Я здесь! Там -- дело есть..." Listen and get convinced... |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 20:07
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"Там -- дело есть..." - it seems I hear these words too. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 16:10
| Has anybody heard KOSTAREV BAND from Moscow? |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 16:35
Heard something good about them, and heard one live track of theirs called "Concerto grosso I part 1 - Allegro" - so can't say much...
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 00:57
Great! You are the first person in some 20 years (since I've heard The Wall for the first time) who also hears these words...
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:00
Thanks, I'll ask for them For some reason I thought they were more popular and there were CD releases though... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:03
Yep, it' definitely there. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:13
Wait... Don't you hate Стену? How do you manage to listen to it?
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:15
I don't like it much, but I listened to it before and clearly remember that it's there ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:20
| Now seriously, The Miracle. You live in the USA and you know English much better than I do, I guess. Do they really pronounce "You! Yes, you. Stand still, laddy!" at the moment in question? ('cause I don't hear these words...) |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:28
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Lemme listen to that part again... Yeah,they do. With a German accent (I guess that's a german accent, since there are many references to the nazi Germany in the concept). But it sounds A LOT like "Э! Я здесь! Там -- дело есть...". I was suspicious from the beginning because "дело есть" is pronounced like "делóесть", a single word with an accent on O. Now that you mentioned it, I think it's the lady one. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:35
Thanks for the support.
While quoting, I lost the stressed [o], therefore I've rewritten it as a plain "o".
I, on the contrary, hear "делло есть", with a stress on "e" in "дело" and with a double "л"...
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 07:45
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Finally http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2792 - InFront is here!
Ansen,I NEED your review!!!
Check it out everybody!!! |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 16:32
| I've posted interview with EXTROVERT's bassist Max.Check it - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33232 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33232 |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 20:27
| electronic wizard from Estonia, Sven Gundberg? , should probably be mentioned here. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 08:17
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^ oh yes, I heard ABOUT him but never his music
VISOKOSNOE LETO and LOST WORLD are added to Art-Rock(thanks Ghost Rider!!!)1 Check them out folks!!! |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 07:32
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...reviews are needed... Ansen... Fassbinder... NotAProgHead... Eugene... Trickster F. ... anybody?.. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 19 2007 at 17:24
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=108028 - heretis
somebody should start
Highly recommended and avalaible free and legal - check http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26187&PN=5 - here below |
Posted By: Guitar God
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 10:48
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I have the only album by NYL and I can say it's highest quality progressive, beautiful neo-prog! Highly recommended!
Anyone knows when their 2nd album to be released? ------------- In Prog We Trust |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 12:34
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Hello Sasha!
a rumour says this year.Hope they'll manage to do it |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 22 2007 at 15:16
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http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=14021 - InFront's review by The Miracle
thanks Ansen
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 15:33
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ER.J.ORCHESTRA added in Prog-Related!
thanks!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 09:43
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=110072 - Another INFRONT's review added!
Extremely recommended! |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: February 03 2007 at 18:54
| Anybody interested in Aviva? |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 06:43
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me, Erik ;)
Soon to review LOST WORLD's "Awakening of the Elements" ... just gimme more days to listen ... |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: February 11 2007 at 16:56
| http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=14036 - LOST WORLD's "Awakening of the Elements" review added - as well as for the debut one too! |