Art Rock Appreciation
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Topic: Art Rock Appreciation
Posted By: progismylife
Subject: Art Rock Appreciation
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 15:59
I love this category of progressive rock. I utterly adore Rush and am getting into the other bands like King Crimson and Van Der Graaf Generator. So discuss how great this is. DO IT.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:04
To start this discussion I will concentrate mostly on how great of a band Rush is. I mean their albums are amazing! (mostly) I thoroughly enjoy Hemispheres, 2112, and A Farewell To Kings. But I do not enjoy Permenant Waves or Moving Pictures that much.
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:07
Well... Rush is good, but I think King Crimson is in another league altogether.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:08
I like Art Rock - most of the Russian bands I want submit fall into this category . Crimso is awesome, my second fave band!Also Art Rock category has a load of MODERN PROG bands I adore!!!
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:10
I haven't heard any modern Art Rock unfortunately, but if I started I would go for Mars Volta. Which album would be best?
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:12
like I specified in my bio: "art rock, its general features are indeed a keen chord to me; special gods are Van der Graaf and Hammill; King Crimson, Rush, Gentle, Fripp otherwise"
Oldfield goes mentioned as well, peculiarly.
I listened to dredg as well, but I guess there have already been discussion of it being something else than that.
I think Art Rock is a totally prominent style.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:17
I really enjoy Rush only because they were the first prog band I listened to. I am getting into King Crimson a lot and have 3 of their albums: In The Court Of The Crimson King (I got it yesterday), Red, and Larks' Tongues in Aspic. I love these 3 albums and are becoming my favorite art rock albums fast.
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Posted By: Minimalist777
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:20
Rush is of course awesome, as are Gentle Giant, The Mars Volta and VDGG. A lesser known band yet great band is Devil Doll, who have an awesome gothic atmosphere to their music.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:21
an utterly fascinating area of prog...
all hail Gentle Giant.. the true kings of art rock...
seriously though... LOTS of great stuff...
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:22
I unfortunately have no Gentle Giant. Which album would be a good album to start with?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:44
I suspect someday you'll appreciate Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures, but they are leaner albums than earlier stuff and may take a while to like. Waves is my personal favorite of theirs.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:45
Well don't go reading my review of that. Hemispheres is my personal favorite.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:51
Oh yeah, Hem was my favorite for years...such a marvelous record. It was the first album I ever bought when I was like eight or something (didn't really understand it but I liked the ideas and artwork).
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 16:58
I really like Circumstances on that album. It is a really cool song. What is your favorite King Crimson album?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:01
Hmm...difficult but right now I'd have to say Power to Believe, but Larks Tongues and the 'Night Watch' live set are a close second. Love Discipline as well.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:10
I need those. I only have The Court Of The Crimson King, Larks' Tongue in Aspic, and Red. But I enjoy these albums so much.
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Posted By: aspinosa
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:21
I think Gentle Giant is the best in this category, followed by king crimson, VDGG and others, though I used to like Rush when i was a teen, I can´t stand with Geddys voice.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:22
Geddy's voice gets better when he is older, imo.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:46
progismylife, get MARS VOLTA's first - it's theri best!
From GG I'd recommend you Aquaring the Taste or In a Glass House
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:48
I have no money. But hopefully for my birthday I'll get some more money. But that is in 6 months.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:53
[QUOTE=Prog-jester] progismylife, get MARS VOLTA's first - it's theri best!QUOTE]
But avoid the live ('Scab Dates' I think it's called) unless you like the studio stuff.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:54
What is a good studio album?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 17:58
Since I didn't like the live, I didn't go ahead and get the other stuff but I hear 'Frances the Mute' is good, and Prog-jester seems to like the first, which is either the Tremulant EP or 'Deloused in the Comatorium'.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:01
I'll try to get some next year.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:02
Well, the greatest art rockers are, of course, Moody Blues and Procol Harum...unless they're considered proto-prog for existing before King Crimson, but ignore that!
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:03
progismylife wrote:
What is a good studio album?
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If you are short on money and looking to buy a new album - I would go for the Gentle Giant stuff before Mars Volta. Octopus or Free Hands is a good place to start.
I am still struggling with the Mars Volta so spend your money wisely - IMO GG is much better.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:06
Wait, Mars Volta and Gentle Giant are in the same catagory? Is that possible?
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:06
How could we forget the Moody Blues? My brother got To Our Children's Children's Children today so I finally got some to listen to. As for buying more albums I have no money I am willing to spend so I have to wait a while before I get more albums.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:08
Children's Children is pretty good; I like to think of the first four songs as one long suite. I like Days Of just thaaaaaaaaaaat much more, but all in all, the Moodies are one of the easiest and more enjoyable bands to listen to.
Procol is like the Moodies in that, if you like one album, you will probably like most of 'em.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:15
The Whistler wrote:
Wait, Mars Volta and Gentle Giant are in the same catagory? Is that possible? |
In the same genre but on two totally different levels.
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:17
Art rock, hmmm... All I have that's called art rock on this site is Rush and King Crimson. Rush is great, definitely in my top three favorite bands, and King Crimson...well, not so much. They always have a couple of really killer songs on each album, and then a bunch of stuff I could care less about. Their ballads are especially boring to me. And many of their songs seem a little aimless and long, but they have several really good pieces.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:18
The Whistler wrote:
Children's Children is pretty good; I like to think of the first four songs as one long suite. I like Days Of just thaaaaaaaaaaat much more, but all in all, the Moodies are one of the easiest and more enjoyable bands to listen to.
Procol is like the Moodies in that, if you like one album, you will probably like most of 'em. |
My grandpa got the music off some vinyls he had but they are really bad quality so I have to buy all teh albums. But I love the Moody Blues. Such a good band.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:19
Sasquamo wrote:
Art rock, hmmm... All I have that's called art rock on this site is Rush and King Crimson. Rush is great, definitely in my top three favorite bands, and King Crimson...well, not so much. They always have a couple of really killer songs on each album, and then a bunch of stuff I could care less about. Their ballads are especially boring to me. And many of their songs seem a little aimless and long, but they have several really good pieces.
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Anyone who likes Rush is cool with me. They are my favorite band.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:44
So why do you guys like these bands? Just to keep this awesome thread going.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:06
progismylife wrote:
I unfortunately have no Gentle Giant. Which album would be a good album to start with? |
Hmm, Free Hand is the one that hooked me, but that was my first GG album anyway. Acquiring the Taste is a particular favourite of mine. Three Friends or Octopus might be a good place to start. But listen to the streams here http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=118 - CLICK. Which song of those appeals to you the most?
There are many "art rock" (as classified at this site -- I find the term rather artificial) bands I like -- one classic band that stands out for me is Jacula.
As for a modern band, I suggest Taal's Mister Green if you can acquire it.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:12
GG's Aquiring the Taste was the first one I heard. Though not a favorite of mine, I really appreciate Giant's taste and musicality. Excellent band.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:13
Love this catagory as there are many great bands there, King Crimson, VDGG, The Tangent, The Mars Volta and some other good bands like Gentle Giant and Rush.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:15
Oldfield
Hammill
TMV
BJH
Solid Bands all around. Great Sun-genre
Although I want kick back VDGG, KC, and GG to Symphonic Prog like the good old days.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:17
I liked all of them. Would it be a good idea to start with their first album and continue on from there? For GG that is.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:26
progismylife wrote:
I liked all of them. Would it be a good idea to start with their first album and continue on from there?
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You're a natural then. It takes effort for some to acquire the taste. Yeah, starting with the first and continuing from there is the best way to go -- so your GG progression coincides with theirs. All up to and including Interview are essential albums in my collection.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:27
Man, now my wishlist is growing while my money is getting smaller.
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:29
A lot of my favourite dark music ends up in the art rock category, including the obvious VDGG and Krimson, but also bands like Xaal, Fusioon and Bubu (I think, I haven't checked recently.) I suspect that Bronzo and Semiramis would also end up in art rock if they weren't italian..
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 19:30
So many bands, so little money.
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Posted By: freekske
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:03
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 04:30
The Whistler wrote:
Wait, Mars Volta and Gentle Giant are in the same catagory? Is that possible? |
Thta'swhat I'm talking about when proposing an introduction of brand new genre - MODERN PROG!!!
It would free Art-Rock from loads of modern bands!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 04:57
Art Rock is the genre that is most fought over here on PA. No surprise here cause so many different bands are in that genre. The obvious like GG, KC. Rush and VDGG. Just stroll around the genre and delve into bands like The Tangent, Tiles, Uriah Heep, Pavlov's Dog, Yezda Urfa, Gnidrolog, Areknames, Nemo and Adrian Belew just to name a few.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 05:17
Prog-jester wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
Wait, Mars Volta and Gentle Giant are in the same catagory? Is that possible? |
Thta'swhat I'm talking about when proposing an introduction of brand new genre - MODERN PROG!!!
It would free Art-Rock from loads of modern bands! |
But what if those modern bands already fit into a category? Then that would be a totally useless genre.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 05:20
I think all genres have their history of vintage to contemporary, clasic to strangely reformating, no? Examples are many.
The idea of Gentle Giant being classic and 70s prog fit, while the Mars Volta have (I don't know how they sound, but can only anticipated) the modern shape and the rush for phenomenons is less important than the fact that Art Rock, like all genres, can comprise different aspects (most especially Art Rock since it is named as a genre of different kinds).
The idea of mixing all styles and periods by a common expectancy is, naturally, weird, nonetheless it's a sure deal.
A genre of Modern Prog is certainly something exclusivist, which none of the current "genre" practiced.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:34
progismylife wrote:
I liked all of them. Would it be a good idea to start with their first album and continue on from there? For GG that is.
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I like the first... a great debut actually. The nice thing about GG.. pick any of their first...err.... any of their prog albums (with possible exception of Interview) and you really can't go wrong. For what it's worth Three Friends is my favorite, and usually recommend Octopus to start.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:40
Cool. Once I have money I will buy some. But it will take ages to get money.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:43
progismylife wrote:
Cool. Once I have money I will buy some. But it will take ages to get money.
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hahahha.. you ain't kiddin'
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:45
Unfortunately no I am not kidding.
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:47
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Well... Rush is good, but I think King Crimson is in another league altogether.
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A...defentiyl!!!
Art rock is the best category now, cause they moved pretty much all my favorite bands in that genre
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Posted By: freekske
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 12:48
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 15:33
progismylife wrote:
To start this discussion I will concentrate mostly on how great of a band Rush is. I mean their albums are amazing! (mostly) I thoroughly enjoy Hemispheres, 2112, and A Farewell To Kings. But I do not enjoy Permenant Waves or Moving Pictures that much. |
I agree. I love the late 70's (also earlier) Rush Albums, they're at the top of my list. I don't get the hype over Moving Pictures, it seems like just a good semi-progressive stadium rock album. The songs on the first side are WAY over-played on classic rock radio. Whenever they play Rush, it's always Tom Sawyer, Limelight, Red Barchetta and occasionally the Spirit of Radio.
I like Permanent waves and Signals, as well as later 80's material (just a little, though). I think on Permanent Waves they still had prog influence especially in the lyrics, but by Moving Pictures a great amount of that influence was gone.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 15:54
I love the "Art Rock" genre, though it's the vaguest genre there is....I like to think of "mostly dark prog with symphonic leanings on occasion"
bands I love-
Rush King Crimson The Mars Volta Radiohead (please don't bring up the 'they're not prog' debate there here get over it) Van der Graaf Generator bands I like- dredg Gentle Giant (I probably need more by them)
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 15:58
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 16:11
For some reason I've just never been able to get into Rush.
I LOVE YYZ. It's a great song, and I can't get enough of it.
But when I bought 2112, ehhh. I really don;t enjoy it.
Also stuff like Tom Sawyer and other commercial stuff really doesn't appeal to me very much.
Is there hope for me? where should I keep trying.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 16:14
BePinkTheater wrote:
For some reason I've just never been able to get into Rush.
I LOVE YYZ. It's a great song, and I can't get enough of it.
But when I bought 2112, ehhh. I really don;t enjoy it.
Also stuff like Tom Sawyer and other commercial stuff really doesn't appeal to me very much.
Is there hope for me? where should I keep trying. |
try Hemispheres, it has a better/more progressive sound than 2112 (at least the other nontitle tracks) and it doesn't have the commercialness of Moving Pictures/Permanent Waves....their second best album IMO its a 4 track album, the title track being 20 min, the next 2 being somewhat normal tracks (though The Trees is great) and La Villa Strangiato is possibly their best instrumental, clocking in at 10 min
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 16:31
oh yea..I've heard the Trees. THat's a good song too.
Maybe I'll check that one out.
thanks.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 19:05
BePinkTheater wrote:
oh yea..I've heard the Trees. THat's a good song too.
Maybe I'll check that one out.
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Circumstances is the only "weak" track if you can even call it that. If you like that, maybe try A Farewell to Kings, with the excellent Xanadu and epic Cygnus X-1 (beware: cheese alert) and a few more straightforward in between tracks
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:36
BePinkTheater wrote:
For some reason I've just never been able to get into Rush.
I LOVE YYZ. It's a great song, and I can't get enough of it.
But when I bought 2112, ehhh. I really don;t enjoy it.
Also stuff like Tom Sawyer and other commercial stuff really doesn't appeal to me very much.
Is there hope for me? where should I keep trying. |
You are a true progressive rock fan. Wanting a band but despising the commercial. Hemispheres is a great album my favorite and A Farewell To Kings, two great albums. Rush should have stayed here a bit longer but they did not. I would go for these two albums. They are the albums I play the most.
YYZ is a great instrumental (as all Rush instrumentals are) La Villa Strangiato on Hemsipheres is a great instrumental. Better than YYZ, imo.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:37
BePinkTheater wrote:
oh yea..I've heard the Trees. THat's a good song too.
Maybe I'll check that one out.
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If you like The Trees you should be able to like A Farewell To Kings.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:40
I had to mention this about A Farewell to Kings. It is possibly the best Rush album ( I think Hemispheres is a tiny bit better, but I could be wrong). It has two great long tracks. The first is Xanadu, influenced by the Kubla Khan. A great 11 minute track. The second is the fabled Cygnus X-1, an amazing 10 minute track that has only been topped by Cygnus X-1 Book II, in Hemispheres. A Farewell to Kings also has great tracks as Closer To The Heart and A Farewell to Kings. Both are amazing songs, even though they are shorter.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:47
I also forgot to mention the song Cinderella Man, a great song based on the movie Mr. Deeds Goes To Town.
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:48
Hemispheres and A Farewell to Kings are the 2 essential Rush albums. The Cygnus songs are amazing!
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:51
Don't forget Xanadu. That is an amazing track that is often overlooked by the almighty Cygnus X-1.
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:54
progismylife wrote:
Don't forget Xanadu. That is an amazing track that is often overlooked by the almighty Cygnus X-1.
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All of the tracks on those 2 albums are great. Even though, I do prefer the title track to Xanadu
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:59
moreitsythanyou wrote:
progismylife wrote:
Don't forget Xanadu. That is an amazing track that is often overlooked by the almighty Cygnus X-1.
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All of the tracks on those 2 albums are great. Even though, I do prefer the title track to Xanadu |
Me too. But I love listening to Xanadu. Speaking of A Farewell to Kings I bought the Different Stages 3 CD set from Rush, and my favorite CD on that is the 3rd one because it is a recording from 1978 of basically all A Farewell to King tracks. They sound amazing live. Especially Xanadu and Cygnus X-1.
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 22:39
Prog-jester wrote:
Thta'swhat I'm talking about when proposing an introduction of brand new genre - MODERN PROG!!!
It would free Art-Rock from loads of modern bands! | We have that sub genre already. It's called neo-progressive (not trying to start anything, I happen to LOVE Marillion and IQ)
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 22:46
1800iareyay wrote:
Prog-jester wrote:
Thta'swhat I'm talking about when proposing an introduction of brand new genre - MODERN PROG!!!
It would free Art-Rock from loads of modern bands! | We have that sub genre already. It's called neo-progressive (not trying to start anything, I happen to LOVE Marillion and IQ) |
This is about Art Rock not neo-progressive. Try to stay on topic please.
I have nothing against neo-progressive btw. Not having heard anything I have no opinion of them.
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 22:50
^Just a little joke
Art Rock's my second fav sub genre after prog metal. Probably ties with symphonic
Rush, King Crimson, and Van Der Graaf Generator are about as close to metal as you can get. Red, Hemispheres, and Pawn Hearts can out heavy 75% of 80s metal.
Haven't heard Gentle Giant yet, but I'm going to get Octopus and In a Glass House soon
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 22:51
progismylife wrote:
moreitsythanyou wrote:
progismylife wrote:
Don't forget Xanadu. That is an amazing track that is often overlooked by the almighty Cygnus X-1.
| All of the tracks on those 2 albums are great. Even though, I do prefer the title track to Xanadu |
Me too. But I love listening to Xanadu. Speaking of A Farewell to Kings I bought the Different Stages 3 CD set from Rush, and my favorite CD on that is the 3rd one because it is a recording from 1978 of basically all A Farewell to King tracks. They sound amazing live. Especially Xanadu and Cygnus X-1.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 22:54
1800iareyay wrote:
progismylife wrote:
moreitsythanyou wrote:
progismylife wrote:
Don't forget Xanadu. That is an amazing track that is often overlooked by the almighty Cygnus X-1.
| All of the tracks on those 2 albums are great. Even though, I do prefer the title track to Xanadu |
Me too. But I love listening to Xanadu. Speaking of A Farewell to Kings I bought the Different Stages 3 CD set from Rush, and my favorite CD on that is the 3rd one because it is a recording from 1978 of basically all A Farewell to King tracks. They sound amazing live. Especially Xanadu and Cygnus X-1.
| Rush always was a killer live band. I can't get enough live rush, though I did steer clear of A Show of Hands. I agree with the comment about DS 3rd disc. It's probably my single favorite live recording, even beats out Exit...Stage Left |
What I want to get my hands on (if this even exists) is a recording of a tour for Hemispheres. Now that would be cool.
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 00:14
1800iareyay wrote:
^Just a little joke
Art Rock's my second fav sub genre after prog metal. Probably ties with symphonic
Rush, King Crimson, and Van Der Graaf Generator are about as close to metal as you can get. Red, Hemispheres, and Pawn Hearts can out heavy 75% of 80s metal.
Haven't heard Gentle Giant yet, but I'm going to get Octopus and In a Glass House soon |
Both are excellent. I've been obsessed with In a Glass House all week
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Posted By: freekske
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 03:18
I have yet to hear In A Glass House, but I already enjoy Acquiring the Taste and Octopus.
GG has been one of my recent discoveries, and I really like them very much
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 04:27
though i like the concept of "art rock", looking over ther genre's homepage here i find that i'm actually very little acquainted with it. seems like for me art rock means KC - and indeed they fit the definition perfectly: highly progressive though not symphonic or psychedelic rock, with a path with many turns but no "ups and downs", just excellent work. most of the other highlights are totally unknown to me yet: VDGG, Gentle Giant, Supertramp, Mars Volta, Bubu, Dredg, Manfred Mann, etc. Looking over the list, most of the bands' names are new to me. Radiohead i knew from my teenage as an alternative rock band - but maybe that's because i didn't listen to anything from them since "OK Computer". Roger Waters is another of the few art rock acts that i know and appreciate. and, finally, it's Rush that i'm trying to get into at the moment - though not with great succes. but, thinking of the half a year that took me to get into Genesis, i'm rather optimistic.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 06:55
andu wrote:
though i like the concept of "art rock", looking over ther genre's homepage here i find that i'm actually very little acquainted with it. seems like for me art rock means KC - and indeed they fit the definition perfectly: highly progressive though not symphonic or psychedelic rock, with a path with many turns but no "ups and downs", just excellent work. most of the other highlights are totally unknown to me yet: VDGG, Gentle Giant, Supertramp, Mars Volta, Bubu, Dredg, Manfred Mann, etc. Looking over the list, most of the bands' names are new to me. Radiohead i knew from my teenage as an alternative rock band - but maybe that's because i didn't listen to anything from them since "OK Computer". Roger Waters is another of the few art rock acts that i know and appreciate. and, finally, it's Rush that i'm trying to get into at the moment - though not with great succes. but, thinking of the half a year that took me to get into Genesis, i'm rather optimistic. |
Maybe Fly By Night would be a good album to start with for Rush? It still has some hard rock elements but there is some prog elements as well. I think it is a good starter album for Rush, but that is just my opinion.
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 11:17
But if you like the Fly By Night style, you're not going to find anything else by them with the same style. They lost their hard rock style pretty quick I think.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 12:32
That is true. Maybe the live album All The World's A Stage would be better because it has a lot of prog and some hard rock in it.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 13:40
Too much Rush in here.
Tiles is a band I've yet to see mentioned, what do you guys think of them. I only have Window Dressing and its a dull album to be honest, I'm wondering if the earlier albums are better.
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 13:57
sleeper wrote:
Tiles is a band I've yet to see mentioned, what do you guys think of them. I only have Window Dressing and its a dull album to be honest, I'm wondering if the earlier albums are better.
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All of them are dull and derivative and unimaginative, however there are good songs on each album - less than half of each album is pretty good, but I am getting bored by them quickly.
IMO their Presents of Mind album is their best.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 13:59
Most of my favourite bands are categorized as Art Rock on this site. RIO/Avant comes second, although that category might overtake Art Rock soon.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 14:11
sleeper wrote:
Too much Rush in here.
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Yes there is. WHat do you guys think of Van Der Graaf Generator? I only have 2 albums H to He Who Am The Only One and Pawn Hearts. I think they are great. Could they be better than King Crimson? I think they just might be.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:08
Just a quick word from the queen of Art Rock herself...
I'm very pleased to see that there are people who're getting more and more into this rather peculiar category (rather than subgenre). However, I would like to encourage all of you to explore other bands rather than the 'big ones' such as GG, VDGG, King Crimson and Rush - as much as I love all of them. As a matter of fact, I do agree with Sleeper when he says that there is way too much Rush in this thread. Everyone knows I love them to bits (just look at my nick and sig), but a quick look at the list of bands and artists included will tell you that there is far more to AR than the mighty Canadians. Some of the new bands that have been added are quite interesting indeed - check 90 Day Men, After the Fall, Nurt and Disen Gage - and more will be added once I get back on home turf.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:16
I highly recommend After The Fall especially their "Knowledge" album.
However, I think they are more NEO than Art Rock....
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:42
Grumbling:
this thread looks more like a private conversation about a couple of bands than an appreciation thread of a certain category. Art Rock isn't a subgenre, it's a category. It's a category. It's a category!
I would like to see here some additional names (not too obvious ones). The discussed category includes a great amount of super-interesting groups and artists. But, seriously (for me personally), this thread as it is currently, just kills any interest to participate in...
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:48
Ghost Rider wrote:
Just a quick word from the queen of Art Rock herself...
I'm very pleased to see that there are people who're getting more and more into this rather peculiar category (rather than subgenre). However, I would like to encourage all of you to explore other bands rather than the 'big ones' such as GG, VDGG, King Crimson and Rush - as much as I love all of them. As a matter of fact, I do agree with Sleeper when he says that there is way too much Rush in this thread. Everyone knows I love them to bits (just look at my nick and sig), but a quick look at the list of bands and artists included will tell you that there is far more to AR than the mighty Canadians. Some of the new bands that have been added are quite interesting indeed - check 90 Day Men, After the Fall, Nurt and Disen Gage - and more will be added once I get back on home turf.
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90 Day Men and Disen Gage are here already BTW(read my reviews for both, great bands!)
Another excellent instrumental art rock band Infront is coming soon( http://rapidshare.com/files/9239868/INFRONT_Wordless.rar.html - download the whole album , legally with a permission from the band)
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 18:50
Fassbinder wrote:
Grumbling:
this thread looks more like a private conversation about a couple of bands than an appreciation thread of a certain category. Art Rock isn't a subgenre, it's a category. It's a category. It's a category!
I would like to see here some additional names (not too obvious ones). The discussed category includes a great amount of super-interesting groups and artists. But, seriously (for me personally), this thread as it is currently, just kills any interest to participate in... |
Sorry I did not control my idolisation of Rush. Moving on. I said agreed with sleeper when he said there wa too much Rush.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 18:55
To move this appreciation of rock I think Nurt is an awesome band and it is sad that they only came out with one album. I reviewed it a little while ago, so if you want to see my review (which I think is kinda weak but thats my opinion of myself) go ahead. They are a great polish band and I highly recommend them. I enjoy all the songs on the album but song 5 (Gdyby Przebaczac Mogli Wszyscy) being one of the top tracks on the album for me.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 19:44
Three fine, lesser-known bands in the Art Rock section of this site for you people to check out:
Nemo Høst Råg i Ryggen
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 19:55
I've heard good things about Nemo...what are they like?
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 20:04
I just got Yezda Urfa - Sacred Baboon today, and I must say they are awesome If you like Gentle Giant, you wont be disappointed.
Highly recommended!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 20:20
Just to name a few of lesser known bands (all from the earlier 70's) -- most of them released a little number of albums, but some of them are as strong as the albums of the "leaders" of the Art Rock category (King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator -- I'm mentioning those whom I know well).
Marsupilami have only two albums -- the debut one (self-titled) is just superb ( ). The second ( Arena) is a little bit weaker but still a decent one.
Spring, Indian Summer, and Still Life (each one has only one, a self-titled, album) are well-known, I think. Opinions about them vary, but the acquaintance may be interesting.
Raw Material's Time Is... sounds (partly) like VdGG -- I like this album.
East of Eden's first two albums (the only real East of Eden albums), Mercator Projected and SNAFU, are both grandiose .
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 07:58
1800iareyay wrote:
Prog-jester wrote:
Thta'swhat I'm talking about when proposing an introduction of brand new genre - MODERN PROG!!! It would free Art-Rock from loads of modern bands! | We have that sub genre already. It's called neo-progressive (not trying to start anything, I happen to LOVE Marillion and IQ |
no-no, Modern Prog have nothing common with Neo (as I understand them both...).Try to search for my topics on MODERN PROG to get what I mean
On Topic: I discovered BARCLAY JAMES HARVEST!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 08:00
Fassbinder, kak naschet GNIDROLOG? Oops, I mean, what about GNIDROLOG? Amazing band!!!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 08:02
The Miracle wrote:
Another excellent instrumental art rock band Infront is coming soon ( http://rapidshare.com/files/9239868/INFRONT_Wordless.rar.html - download the whole album , legally with a permission from the band) |
I wrote a bio.Gonna send it to you and to Ghost Rider soon!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 08:03
AVTOGRAF and AQUARIUM from USSR - classics of Soviet Art-Rock.Both almost completely different and highly recommended!!!
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 08:16
The Miracle wrote:
Another excellent instrumental art rock band Infront is coming soon( http://rapidshare.com/files/9239868/INFRONT_Wordless.rar.html - download the whole album , legally with a permission from the band)
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Do you have to pay? Because I am short on money.
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 08:27
nope...as long as I know...Awesome stuff!!! Check the free samples on realmusic.ru/infront!
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