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Topic: Maudlin of the Well Appreciation
Posted By: ResidentAlien
Subject: Maudlin of the Well Appreciation
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 04:40
I just re-listened to Bath tonight and read the lyrics along to it.  It was shocking, disturbing, paralyzing and simultaneously moving.  I was literally moved to tears.  It was one of the most poignant experiences I can say I've ever had with an album.  In short... Maudlin of the Well are bloody brilliant.

So, I want to get some love for MotW going.  Discuss.



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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 07:50
"Bath" is quite possibly the best prog-metal album I've heard (not a big fan of the genre, admittedly), so I can definitely share your enthusiasm.

It's amazing how effortlessly they blend several styles together - styles that shouldn't have anything in common at first sight.

I seriously need to get my hands on "Leaving Your Body Map".








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Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 10:14
I really tried to like that album, I really wanted to... It just didn't work at all. Maybe if the singing wasn't so poor and off-key most of the time... maybe if the combination of styles was done more fluidly, more coherently, without giving me the feeling of something "looked for"... maybe I would like it. Kayo Dot is a more mature affair in my opinion and I'll stick to them for the time being.

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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 10:25
I heard some moments from "Leaving..." and it is awesome.I want more!!!


Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 11:18
Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

I heard some moments from "Leaving..." and it is awesome.I want more!!!
You'll get it soonWink.


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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 12:37
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

I heard some moments from "Leaving..." and it is awesome.I want more!!!

You'll get it soon


Thanks
       


Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 13:43
ive only heard the song on progarchives and i loved it!

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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 13:56
My second favourite band, more people should hear their debut album as well.

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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 13:58
motw is terrible and toby driver is an untalented hack


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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 14:01
Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

motw is terrible and toby driver is an untalented hack


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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 15:02
ya rly u gots it mang

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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:06
I was actually listening to Kayo Dot right after turning on the computer.

motW where a great band! I really like their Bath album. Geography is one of the most emotional songs I've ever heard. Toby's voice is part of why I like them alot too along with their really soft and mellow songs. Leaving Your Body Map is another great album, but I still prefer Bath (check out my immature reviews). I still need to get their debut.


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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:19
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

I was actually listening to Kayo Dot right after turning on the computer.

motW where a great band! I really like their Bath album. Geography is one of the most emotional songs I've ever heard. Toby's voice is part of why I like them alot too along with their really soft and mellow songs. Leaving Your Body Map is another great album, but I still prefer Bath (check out my immature reviews). I still need to get their debut.


My Fruit Psychobells is great.... but I'd probably say it's my least favorite of their three.  It's certainly the lowest quality in terms of recording quality.  But all in all, it's a magnificent album just not as fully realized and polished as Bath and Leaving Your Body Map.


Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:21
Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

I was actually listening to Kayo Dot right after turning on the computer.

motW where a great band! I really like their Bath album. Geography is one of the most emotional songs I've ever heard. Toby's voice is part of why I like them alot too along with their really soft and mellow songs. Leaving Your Body Map is another great album, but I still prefer Bath (check out my immature reviews). I still need to get their debut.


My Fruit Psychobells is great.... but I'd probably say it's my least favorite of their three.  It's certainly the lowest quality in terms of recording quality.  But all in all, it's a magnificent album just not as fully realized and polished as Bath and Leaving Your Body Map.
 
I agree that My Fruit... is not as good as the other two, in places amateurish and in performance quite lacking, not to mention the production, but I can't imagine being the same me without having heard all the songs on that album.


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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:23
Agreed.  That band really has touched me like I can't describe.


Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:24
^^^ Thanks. I would still buy it even though it's their weakest. Curiosity is one of the reasons. I wan't to have their whole discography as well.

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:28
http://cgi.ebay.de/MAUDLIN-OF-THE-WELL-2CD-SET-BATH-LYBM-BONUS_W0QQitemZ230051247343QQihZ013QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230051247343&translate=no&ssPageName=LanguageToggle - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230051247343&translate=no&ssPageName=LanguageToggle
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:32
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.de/MAUDLIN-OF-THE-WELL-2CD-SET-BATH-LYBM-BONUS_W0QQitemZ230051247343QQihZ013QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230051247343&translate=no&ssPageName=LanguageToggle - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230051247343&translate=no&ssPageName=LanguageToggle
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Doesn't look like the debut though (unless it is the "bonus" mentioned).


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:37
^ok, I hadn't noticed you were talking specifically about the debut ... so here we go:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MAUDLIN-OF-THE-WELL-my-fruit-GothProgMetalMasterpiece_W0QQitemZ170050280829QQihZ007QQcategoryZ307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.com/MAUDLIN-OF-THE-WELL-my-fruit-GothProgMetalMasterpiece_W0QQitemZ170050280829QQihZ007QQcategoryZ307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:39
Check out Kayo Dot's Myspace.  They were selling a few copies of My Fruit Psychobells a few months ago.  They might still have some.  :)


Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:41
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.de/MAUDLIN-OF-THE-WELL-2CD-SET-BATH-LYBM-BONUS_W0QQitemZ230051247343QQihZ013QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230051247343&translate=no&ssPageName=LanguageToggle - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230051247343&translate=no&ssPageName=LanguageToggle
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Doesn't look like the debut though (unless it is the "bonus" mentioned).


I think the bonus is the secret song. It's a shame they don't have it anymore.


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:42
I love Maudlin of the Well,who I think were one of the most original bands in music,not just progressive metal.

I would still recommend My Fruit Psychobells,it was the first thing I heard from them and it definitely hooked me.While not quite as good as Bath and Leaving Your Body Map,it is still a very good album,especially for a debut.

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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 17:10
Has Maudlin as much metal as Kayo dot? (And of course that is sarcasm), cause I just cant see the point of having Kayo Dot in prog metal.
And, is Maudlin as ....ehmmm how to put it, "anti-song" as Kayo Dot, or is it more coherent and structural? And of course, this is not a bad thing and I mean it with respect, dont get offended you Kayo Dot fans



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 17:11
Post Rock bands don't have much Rock ... Post Metal bands don't have much Metal.Wink

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 17:19
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Has Maudlin as much metal as Kayo dot? (And of course that is sarcasm), cause I just cant see the point of having Kayo Dot in prog metal.And, is Maudlin as ....ehmmm how to put it, "anti-song" as Kayo Dot, or is it more coherent and structural? And of course, this is not a bad thing and I mean it with respect, dont get offended you Kayo Dot fans


MoW has more metal in their sound than Kayo Dot.And while the song structures of MoW are not exactly conventional,they are not as "free-wheeling" as Kayo Dot's tunes.
    

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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:17
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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Bought it.   Big smile The mp3's I have are of terrible quality.
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:

Check out Kayo Dot's Myspace.  They were selling a few copies of My Fruit Psychobells a few months ago.  They might still have some.  :)
 
 
In Kayo Dot's website it says to send 10$ to Toby Driver and it appears he lives right next to my brother, so I guess that in my next visit to Boston, I could "pop in" and buy My Fruit..... LOL
 

T. Driver / 62 Williams St. #1 / Jamaica Plain, MA / 02130



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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:21
I absolutely love MotW, actually they've just stopped growing on me and I've realized the full greatness. Amazing band.Clap

BTW, I have a question. What's up with the two tracks in the end of Bath with horrible sound quality? Is that the "bonus"?(I bought the same thing Mike linked to on ebay)Confused


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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:28
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I absolutely love MotW, actually they've just stopped growing on me and I've realized the full greatness. Amazing band.Clap

BTW, I have a question. What's up with the two tracks in the end of Bath with horrible sound quality? Is that the "bonus"?(I bought the same thing Mike linked to on ebay)Confused


Yep, Maudlin have a bunch of early demos that they've recorded which are widely unavailable.  Toby responded to constant demand from their fanbase for the opportunity to hear them by including what he considered the only remotely worthwhile bits from the demos as bonus tracks on Bath and Leaving Your Body Map's reissued versions.

Anyway, Maudlin of the Well are prog-metal's undeniable pinnacle.  Kayo Dot is fantastic as well but can't quite reach the same heights as Bath and Leaving Your Body Map.  It makes me endlessly happy to see that these guys can now generate get a two page "appreciation" thread, I remember when I first added them to the site virtually nobody had heard of them.


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:34
It was with your strong approval and support of them Bryan that helped grow interest (certainly interested me). Now I think Bath and Leaving Your Body Map (which may be one of my favorite Prog Metal albums ever) are splendid (doesn't even begin to describe it really) albums. Thumbs Up

That and Kayo Dot's rise up on this site might have also been a contributor.Wink

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:36
Thanks BryanThumbs Up

This site is actually doing a great job in promoting obscure bandsClap

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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:38
Originally posted by Bryan Bryan wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I absolutely love MotW, actually they've just stopped growing on me and I've realized the full greatness. Amazing band.Clap

BTW, I have a question. What's up with the two tracks in the end of Bath with horrible sound quality? Is that the "bonus"?(I bought the same thing Mike linked to on ebay)Confused


Yep, Maudlin have a bunch of early demos that they've recorded which are widely unavailable.  Toby responded to constant demand from their fanbase for the opportunity to hear them by including what he considered the only remotely worthwhile bits from the demos as bonus tracks on Bath and Leaving Your Body Map's reissued versions.

Anyway, Maudlin of the Well are prog-metal's undeniable pinnacle.  Kayo Dot is fantastic as well but can't quite reach the same heights as Bath and Leaving Your Body Map.  It makes me endlessly happy to see that these guys can now generate get a two page "appreciation" thread, I remember when I first added them to the site virtually nobody had heard of them.


Bryan, pal, I was just getting ready to email you to thank you for the day you first mentioned MotW to me nearly 2 years ago.  But then I saw you posted here so I figured thanking you here was as good a place as any.  This band has truly changed my life and my appreciation for music.  I adore them.

And I'm glad that this thread has gotten to two pages!  I wasn't sure it would even get past the first when I created it.  It's great to know that MotW is as beloved to others as they are to me.


Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:41
A fabulous band.
I discovered them on BNR a few years ago and the praises BNR (another Bryan) gives them persuaded me to get it. I was upset when I heard they split, but then came the announcement that Kayo Dot, a new group would be their new incarnation.
 
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:12
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Thanks BryanThumbs Up

This site is actually doing a great job in promoting obscure bandsClap


I agree.

I got to thank Trickster for getting me into Kayo Dot and then MotW... Heck, thanks for all of those obscure prog metal bands you've recommended!Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 13:03
It's great to hear you've discovered a lot of my favourite music, Ruben!
 
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

 
 
In Kayo Dot's website it says to send 10$ to Toby Driver and it appears he lives right next to my brother, so I guess that in my next visit to Boston, I could "pop in" and buy My Fruit..... LOL
 

T. Driver / 62 Williams St. #1 / Jamaica Plain, MA / 02130

 
 
LOL That's fabulous, Assaf!
 
You should stalk Toby and beg him to sign particular parts of your body. Evil Smile Furthermore, don't forget to remind him that a certain individual expects to see him in a tour to Latvia, performing a cover of "They Aren't All Beautiful" much to the pleasure of the moshpit.
 
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 14:53
Like it!

Mostly because of the variation in themes within one song and the brilliance of that


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Posted By: DarthCletus
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 20:58
I have actually ben listening to Maudling of the Well since 2002. I remember ordering Bath and Leaving your Body Map from darksymphonies.com, and they came in about 2 days. Bath is definitely in my top 5 albums of all time, they manage to do so much more than Dream Theater or Symphony X, or any other prog metal I have ever heard. I also had the pleasure of seeing Kayo Dot in a very small club last year in Washington. The stage was not big enough to hold all of the band members; I ended up standing right behind Toby. Although they only played 3 songs, it was a great show, and was actually written up in the Washington Post that weekend! It was hard to tell if the reviewer had a favorable opinion of the show, he was more interested in discussing the avant garde aspect of the music.

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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 22:33
Fantastic, refreshing band. The only weak spots are the soloing and singing, but i don't mind the singing, it adds a charm/character and fits with the theme of the music. The soloing i'm not so keen on, but it's no big deal. The rest of the music makes up for it.
I see most people prefer Bath over Leaving Your Body Map. I'm the other way round. Bath is still fantastic though. Besides, i kind of think of them as a double album, since they were written/recorded at the same time and LYBM is a continuation of Bath.


Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: December 20 2006 at 14:39
Holy hell!  Check this out!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5bLyNfr_s48

Pondering a Wall music video!! :)  I had no idea they had a music video.



Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: December 20 2006 at 16:13
Wow thanks. It's nice to see the band in action although I didn't understand what was happening the whole 6 minutes of the video.LOL

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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: December 20 2006 at 17:23
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Wow thanks. It's nice to see the band in action although I didn't understand what was happening the whole 6 minutes of the video.LOL


Haha, yeah it was a pretty weird video... but I loved it all the same. Big smile


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 20 2006 at 17:51
Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:

Holy hell!  Check this out!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5bLyNfr_s48

Pondering a Wall music video!! :)  I had no idea they had a music video.


Despite the poor sound quality on that video, the song was awsome.

I got hold of both Bath and Leaving Your Body Map only a couple of weeks, and I think there both some of the most creative music I have ever heard, excellent.


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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: December 20 2006 at 20:04
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:

Holy hell!  Check this out!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5bLyNfr_s48

Pondering a Wall music video!! :)  I had no idea they had a music video.


Despite the poor sound quality on that video, the song was awsome.

I got hold of both Bath and Leaving Your Body Map only a couple of weeks, and I think there both some of the most creative music I have ever heard, excellent.


Glad you feel that way. Smile  Recruit more MotW faithfuls, they're one band deserved of acclaim.


Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: December 20 2006 at 21:01
Saw that video a couple weeks ago, I honestly find it to be pretty unintentionally funny... good song anyway.


Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: December 20 2006 at 21:17
I'm looking forward to hearing them once I listen to Kayo Dot. Although the death growls might be a problem...

I started listening to Kayo Dot because people kept talking about their new album, but I really listened to it because I was intrigued, sicne this was a prog-metal band, when el bothy was complaining that he still didn't "get it". :)

Wow, these lyrics are weird. I only glanced over them, but are motW/Kayo Dot's lyrics wiccan/pagan or something? I don't care much about the artist's personal life (as long as I know he's not summoning demons to help him write a guitar solo :) ), but occult lyrics make me really uncomfortable.

I was reading an interview, and while I really respected Toby from what I read in a recent interview, a motW interview really confused me. WTF is he talking about with astral dreaming and all this crap? I see the point he's trying to make (he's being inspired by the Divine Muses, so to speak), but the stuff with taking music from the astral plane and lucid dreaming is very strange...


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 21 2006 at 03:22
Sounds like he was reading Lovecraft back then. Big smile

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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: November 14 2007 at 13:39
im posting in an ancient thread here, but where have you found motW albums? ive been searching the internet for a few days and have found nothing appart from the 50$ disc of bath from amazon and a 75$ import. im on a restricted budget so thats not happening. plus, on the entire web, to only find two discs? somethings amiss. where am i not looking?

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 14 2007 at 17:08
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

im posting in an ancient thread here, but where have you found motW albums? ive been searching the internet for a few days and have found nothing appart from the 50$ disc of bath from amazon and a 75$ import. im on a restricted budget so thats not happening. plus, on the entire web, to only find two discs? somethings amiss. where am i not looking?


I found them easy enough at amazon.co.uk, but with My Fruit Psychobells being the cheapest at £10 ($20), they might be a bit much.


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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 14 2007 at 17:12
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

im posting in an ancient thread here, but where have you found motW albums? ive been searching the internet for a few days and have found nothing appart from the 50$ disc of bath from amazon and a 75$ import. im on a restricted budget so thats not happening. plus, on the entire web, to only find two discs? somethings amiss. where am i not looking?
 
 
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: November 14 2007 at 22:43
Aren't they re-releasing these two?

Anyway, amazing band.


Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 15 2007 at 07:18
I really like what i've heard by then so far, another great band discovered through Prog Archives.Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 15 2007 at 12:51
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

Aren't they re-releasing these two?

Anyway, amazing band.
 
 
Yes. They have actually re-released all three of them, the last one being My Fruit... this last September.
 
 


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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: November 17 2007 at 18:22
Not really related to these guys, but Kayo Dot's new upcoming album makes me want to cycle through Maudlin's discography again.


Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 11:10
Resurrecting a good thread!

I just got Leaving your body map the other day and I think it´s incredible. I will get everything by this band. I even like them more than kayo dot


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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 14:14
Ah yes, the band that got me out of radio rock and metalcore!!

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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 16:57
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=165133 - that's how I like them


Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 16:57
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=165133 - that's how I like them


Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 17:10
I got to see Kayo Dot during South by Southwest.  Cool show. I personally thanked Toby for 'sleep is a curse.'  Brilliant music.

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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 20:06
Uggghhh My parents didnt allow me to see them at SXSW, UGGGGGHHH! (BTW, AUSTIN FTW)!
 
All I can do for MOTW is apreciate them, they are the greatest band since Yes, NOT IMO!


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Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: April 12 2008 at 21:31
you shoulda snuck out.  

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 13 2008 at 09:57
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Uggghhh My parents didnt allow me to see them at SXSW, UGGGGGHHH! (BTW, AUSTIN FTW)!
 
All I can do for MOTW is apreciate them, they are the greatest band since Yes, NOT IMO!

Oh no Ian, they're considerably better than Yes.Wink


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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 13 2008 at 10:31
^agreed


Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: April 13 2008 at 13:05

Lets agree to disagree... barely



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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 01:15
Just HAVE to resurrect this (not that it's really that dead) after re-listening to both Bath and Leaving Your Body Map and then starting them all over again because goodness gracious this stuff is absolutely stunning.

I truly love these albums. I had always liked them immensely, but, until today, I have never actually loved them. They are like a part of my friggin soul. Both of them. both are complete 5-star masterpieces for me. I need to review them soon.

As good as Kayo Dot. As good as Choirs of the Eye, one of my favorite albums of all time. Absolutely superb.

I dunno how I missed the awesomeness of these records before now...I'm glad they fully clicked though. Goodness they are amazing!



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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 11:00
Anyone else tried a marathon, my Fruit Psycobells... through to Blue Lambancy Downward.ShockedBig%20smileCool

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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 12:25
^I have been doing that up until Choirs of the Eye - I *sort of* like all four of those albums but I'm trying to consolidate them into one super-mixtape... whereas I find Dowsing and Downwards are both strong enough to not need pruning. =)

Still no progress on it, it's hard to decide.

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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 14:19
I have performed similar marathons before but including Toby's solo stuff and Tartar lamb. Several times actually. I have a playlist with only Driver stuff in it.

It's good stuff.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 14:27
^I need those two albums before I can do a "proper" marathon. 

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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 16:28
I definitely have to check out maudlin.  This means I'm going to have to get over my phobia of ordering stuff off teh Intartubez.


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 17:05
Hello guys, I figured this would be a good place to ask: where can I get their albums without paying the stupidly high OOP prices of Amazon? They sound good and I like Kayo Dot, so I'm interested, but I'm not paying $50 for one CD.


Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 19:36
Well I've heard on the grapevine that, because of the rarity of owning their CDs, they are not too worried about pirating maudlin music...not that I'm suggesting it.

I'm more, erm, mentioning it...

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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 21:17
Point taken. ;-) I was just wondering if there were any sites that I was missing, since the places I usually go to are coming up dry.


Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 21:25
Great time to bring up this thread I was just about to start my bath review!

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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 22:40
 
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8356">MAUDLIN%20OF%20THE%20WELL%20Bath%20progressive%20rock%20album%20and%20reviews Experimental/Post Metal
(Studio Album, 2001)
4.13/5
(21 ratings)
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8356 - MAUDLIN OF THE WELL — Bath
Review by http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=13226 - schizoid_man77 (Ian Bishop)
Prog Reviewer

5%20stars Toby Driver, a genius in my book, maybe one of the most original thinkers to be born, nothing he has done ever lost my attention for too long, almost everything is perfect. My biggest icon in modern music, whether it be the chaos of Kayo Dot, the eeriness of Tartar lamb, or the just plain weirdness of his solo album, everything he touches turns to gold. Of all his projects though, Maudlin of the Well is the greatest, honestly a band that has done so much for me as far as my musical growth. This group helped me expand my mind to so many different genres, and styles, but not only that, but how to blend them into three monumental albums, this one being the best, BATH.

The music of Maudlin of the Well is incredibly diverse, one minute you may be in a straight up death metal song, the next you're listening to some jazzy horns, the next you're listening to an acoustic folky song, and it all fits. They're so eclectic it wouldn't be wrong to call this band avant Garde, to me though, that's the beauty of the music, they're not afraid to put some intricate post rocky lead line of a horn section, or add a church organ with some death metal vocals to add a doomy effect. To me it all works, it's possible to make beautiful prog metal, with strings and not be a lame symphonic power metal band, and you can add horns and long songs and not be a post metal band, this group belongs to no genre.

Bath is a companion album to the almost equally amazing Leaving your body map, and apparently is the first part of who knows what concept. It's a bit diverse than Leaving your body map, as far as the songs go, and also, by the time you hit the song Birth pains and astral projections, you feel a certain emotion that just eeks out of the speakers that just doesn't hit the same level on LYBM. This assortment of ten songs may very well be my favorite made, every song is extremely special in it's own way and each very different than the other. It's more jazzy, it's more metal, yet at the same time it's a little softer than anything else Toby has ever put out. It's just beautiful.

Okay you're probably tired of listening to my fanboyism, so I'll get into detail about the music. While most of the songs are indeed metal, most of the smaller tracks around the metal songs are usually softer, acoustic interludes, each one staring with a jazzy chord progression, then slightly building up with some horns playing a melody, then another guitar will come in and play perhaps a lead line, or a parallel chord progression, while the double bass will throb away. There are four track in these two albums called the interludes I-IV. The other softer tracks on this album is the opening song song, and the beautiful three minute Marids gift of art. The firs an instrumental starting with only an acoustic guitar, and progressively getting bigger and bigger adding multiple guitars, keyboards, and eventually drums, until the very end when te electric comes in for a huge climactic ending. Marids gift of art is just a pretty lullaby by Driver, with only his guitar his voice, and a trumpet to end the song. I know sounds corny, but it really is one of the prettiest songs you may ever hear.

Then there's the metal song, all of which follow no common structure, and are chopped up into three or four different sections. While most start with an eerie series of notes on the guitar, keyboard, or church organ, some like they're not all beautiful start with a bang and go right into furious drumming and strumming, with some of the deepest, yet clearest death metal vocals ever, which just capitalizes on Toby's amazing voice. This song is pretty much the closest MotW gets to a straight up death metal song, though still is very proggy. The other songs usually are guided by the vocals, most of the time harsh as you go on to crazy chord progression, double bass drumming, and some incredible guitar wizardry. The breakdown will come when the vocals become the most horrifying, and the guitar at it's most crushing. The atmospheric keyboards will then take over most likely with some electric guitar in the background doing a lead line, and some clean vocals usually singing about something simple, like love, trust, or a crazy day. From then on the song will almost disappear to nothing, then out of nowhere the chaos comes back and just punches you in the face for the last minute or so of the song.

There are two main elements in the music of Toby Driver that he never fails to bring forth, and there is no exception on this album: His Electric guitar and Voice. His electric guitar is on every son except the interludes, and there just seems to be layers and layers of it, I know there is more than one guitar player, but sometimes I can swear I can hear four different guitars going around at some point, and I just find it amazing that he can go ahead and capitalize on the electric distorted guitar, whether it be a lead line, solo, or riff and still make it tasteful, and not too pompous or obnoxious.

His voice is will always be a staple point to all his music, it's so youthful, and almost punky, and he doesnt have a very large range, but what he's got he's able to melt it perfectly with the music he creates, and create an atmosphere of some solemn depressing mood. He also has so many different types of grunts and scream. In my fruit psychobells you hear a black metal scream (sadly he doesnt use past that), an extremely deep death growl, a post metal hoarse yell that IMO makes Birth pains and astral projections one of their most superior songs, and there's also that blood curdling scream, which he used all the way up to Dowsing the anemone with the copper tongue.

I understand why some people can be turned off to Maudlin, their just so crazy and eclectic, it's very inaccessible, and it takes weathered ears to learn to appreciate this music, also unlike Kayo Dot, the harsh vocals, and extreme metal are arguably more prominent than anything else, and we all know that's not for everyone. Kayo Dot may be the reincarnation of Maudlin, but I think they lost a little of their youthful originality in that band, don't get me wrong, Kayo Dot may also be in my top five Fav bands, but what some people call immaturity is what I find best in Maudlin.

I hoped what I wrote can shine a little light on this band, or album, but really words are no substitute, you have to subject yourself to the music, and drill it many many times, before one day it will just click, and you'll just be taken back by the power and majesty of this band. Like I said though these guys are truly not for everyone, but to anyone into metal, and want some music with that extra punch, I cant recommend this band to you enough, this is probably my favorite group to exist, and need to be heard.

5 stars no doubt

My longest review to date!


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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 23:27
^^deservedly so. Bath is a great album. Recently it took over Leaving... as my favorite Maudlin album and tied with Choirs of the Eye as my favorite Driver-related release. Both albums own my soul.

And your review was awesome. Inspires me to hurry up and write mine...maybe tomorrow

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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 27 2008 at 23:28
Also, I keep hearing people pseudo-compare this band to My Dying Bride in reviews and the like across the web?

How similar? Obviously not really similar...still.

Basic question is: Worth my checking out?

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 06:37
Originally posted by king volta king volta wrote:

Also, I keep hearing people pseudo-compare this band to My Dying Bride in reviews and the like across the web?

How similar? Obviously not really similar...still.

Basic question is: Worth my checking out?

My Dying Bride? I havnt actually heard them, but they are always put in with the doom metal lot like Anathema , Paradise Lost and Katatonia. Never once heard them described as avant gard metal.




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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 06:41
Schizo, I take it you have an original release rather than a 2006 re issue. Be glad of that, Uncovering the Gift really ruins the flow of Bath as its very old and badly produced (I read in the liner notes that it was the first song Driver ever recorded, way back in the mid 90's).

Not having much luck in getting the song names right are you.Wink


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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 07:56
amazing review, Ian! would you review my stuff the same way wordy and with the same rating? I doubt it though...


Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 15:48
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:


Originally posted by king volta king volta wrote:

Also, I keep hearing people pseudo-compare this band to My Dying Bride in reviews and the like across the web?

How similar? Obviously not really similar...still.

Basic question is: Worth my checking out?
My Dying Bride? I havnt actually heard them, but they are always put in with the doom metal lot like Anathema , Paradise Lost and Katatonia. Never once heard them described as avant gard metal.


Yes this is what I was thinking...I do NOT think they are avant metal at all, but perhaps they are worth checking out anyway. I shall see....

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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 16:50
Sleepy, I am really not good with names, but yeah, I guess you do have the reissue.
 
Igor, it will came, and you will be happy!


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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 17:25
Originally posted by king volta king volta wrote:

I do NOT think they are avant metal at all, but perhaps they are worth checking out anyway. I shall see....


MY DYING BRIDE is one of the best bands on this bloody Earth, and I suggest you should...wait, you all MUST check'em out (who didn't yet). Especially albums like "The Angel and The Dark River" (1995), "Like Gods of the Sun" (1996), "The Dreadful Hours" (2001), "Songs of Darkness, Words of Light" (2004) and DVD "Sinamorata" (2007)

They even were on the Archives here (added by Trickster F.), but later removed (along with KATATONIA)


Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: May 29 2008 at 18:32
I have heard that Maudlin Of The Well's Lyrics are about Astral Projection... Is anybody out there who can tell me what it exactly is?

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Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor

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Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: May 29 2008 at 18:32
Ah, well I forgot, Maudlin Of The Well is such a great band. I love it. Smile

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E além disso se via da janela
Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor

- Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74


Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 00:21
Originally posted by Badabec Badabec wrote:

Ah, well I forgot, Maudlin Of The Well is such a great band. I love it. Smile


Astral Projection is kind of a synonym of sorts for an out-of-body experience, but it's a bit different in many ways, namely that it has more in common with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream - lucid dreaming than with out-of-body experiences, but the difference is;

Astral Projection is much more spiritually based and kind of occult, really, as far as I know. But it is basically a reinterpretation of a lucid dream as far as I can tell.

Lucid dreaming is really cool I think. I wish I could learn to temper my dreams as such...


EDIT: I meant to quote your previous post but people get the point. I answered the question at least, haha.

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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 11:53
Wow. I just wrote my "Bath" review, and it was a hard thing to do. Too much to say. It ended up being quite long. Here's a link if you're interested:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=172672 - Bath review

What's scary is that, later, I have to do my "Leaving Your Body Map" review....hopefully, it'll be a bit shorter, eh

Also, I just wanted to say, I love this band.

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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 13:26
^^ Enjoyed your review.

I think Leaving Your Body Map is my favorite MotW/Kayo Dot release.


Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 14:56
Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

^^ Enjoyed your review.I think Leaving Your Body Map is my favorite MotW/Kayo Dot release.


I like them both a lot....it changes from day to day, really.

but typically I tend to think that Bath is a bit better...

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Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 11:40
Darksymphonies.com is selling the My Fruit Psychobells... remaster for $8 (free shipping to US) until the 4th. 


Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 12:10
SLEEP IS A CURSE!!!

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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 13:37
The band that got me into avant-garde music and jazz!

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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 18:58
Originally posted by king volta king volta wrote:

Wow. I just wrote my "Bath" review, and it was a hard thing to do. Too much to say. It ended up being quite long. Here's a link if you're interested:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=172672 - Bath review

What's scary is that, later, I have to do my "Leaving Your Body Map" review....hopefully, it'll be a bit shorter, eh

Also, I just wanted to say, I love this band.
 
That was an exhausting review, I was afraid to call bath perfect, yet you managed to say it in the first sentences! Thats courage!
 
Excellent review, beat mine!


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Posted By: Dominic
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 21:12
Originally posted by moe_blunts moe_blunts wrote:

SLEEP IS A CURSE!!!


Damn right! I'm listening to that one right now Big%20smile

Seriously, the dynamic quality of the mix in last 2 MotW recordings (atleast in the re-releases)  amazes me.


Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 22:14
I actually like My Fruit Psychobells' production...

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 01 2008 at 22:24
^^^^^^^
 
Me too!
 
Have you guys ever checked out Toby's very early work when he was in high school called Spoonion?Here's some audio files if you haven't.
 
http://www.kayodot.net/spoonion/ - http://www.kayodot.net/spoonion/


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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 01:37
Yes I have heard Spoonion! Interesting to say the least...and rather humorous.


Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Originally posted by king volta king volta wrote:

Wow. I just wrote my "Bath" review, and it was a hard thing to do. Too much to say. It ended up being quite long. Here's a link if you're interested: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=172672 - Bath review What's scary is that, later, I have to do my "Leaving Your Body Map" review....hopefully, it'll be a bit shorter, eh Also, I just wanted to say, I love this band.


That was an exhausting review, I was afraid to call bath perfect, yet you managed to say it in the first sentences! Thats courage!


Excellent review, beat mine!


Thanks man! It was exhausting to write, trust me! It's very difficult to put how I feel about this band into words...

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Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 01:48
I love motw, in fact, I almost prefer them to Kayo Dot, even though they are two slightly different animals.....

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Posted By: bizarreflower
Date Posted: June 29 2008 at 19:37
New motW material on the way guys. Read these

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=43230308&blogID=409321836

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=43230308&blogID=410093165



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