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Topic: The Grey Room
Posted By: mystic fred
Subject: The Grey Room
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 14:16
Welcome to The Grey Room - for those members who are the wrong side of forty (or thirty for that matter!) here's a place you can discuss gigs from long ago, the price of hair restorer, how lucky the kids are today - are they spoilt brats? Have they never had it so good? Did we have more freedom in the sixties/seventies (eighties) ? Look at the lighter side of maturity - not strictly to have a moan like grumpy old men, unless Rick W. decides to pop in and have a grouse!! Did we have things better when we were teenagers? Has nothing really changed? Are you chuffed that your favourite classic Rock and Prog is still being found and appreciated by new generations, and new bands creating new music and following a strong tradition? Did you dig your Dad's record collection - i never liked my Dad's music - Glenn Miller and The Sound of Music, i was a rebel, i wanted something they hated - Prog!! I find it amazing that todays young people are into music their parents liked, things have certainly changed. Do you like the world we're in today - did girls look better in frocks? Did you recently buy a motorbike and are reliving your adolescence? Do you believe in the Mid-life Crisis? Are we eating chemically infused rubbish? Did Grandad's tomatoes taste better? How did we manage without computers, mobile phones and digital TV with all those channels - was TV better when there were just three? Where is Rock heading in the future - will it change completely or continue to go round and round in circles?
........discuss!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 14:23
You said you would start this one, and you did, Great.
A lot of questions you ask. I think my kids have it better then i did, I can't remember I had a television in my room when I was 11. Am curious about the response here.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 14:24
The TV rota was strictly controlled by Dad in my house - any arguments it went off!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 14:26
The same at my parents house, He watched a lot a football, so I didn't mind that much. Just a bit of moaning then, I bought albums at the price of 16 guilders, now they are twice that much.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 14:30
LP's were £1 /17shillings and sixpence (37/6d), about £1.75 to buy new.
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:13
Are useless posts permitted?????????????????
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:21
hmmmmmmmmm.......not too much so, constructive topics mostly welcome!
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:28
At last, a civilized area!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:30
Aaaaaaaaaaah, Vr rubbing off. Oh well...........My oldest daughter just began a new school. Our system is different then yours. It is much more serious now, new subjects like French and Arithmatics. She is getting there. A question, when do you use then and than?
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:32
Melomaniac wrote:
At last, a civilized area! |
You're almost too young!! .
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:34
^ At thirty-two ? You gotta be kidding me! Isn't this a place for people on the wrong side of thirty as well? I hope I have more in common with you than with teens (girlfriend, daughter, work, life,etc...).
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:37
You will have, I think.......... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8266&FID=4 - Melomaniac .
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:40
glass house wrote:
You will have, I think.......... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8266&FID=4 - Melomaniac . |
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:46
Anyone who wants to post here is a member . Do you know your then's and than's?
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:47
[QUOTE=glass house]Aaaaaaaaaaah, Vr rubbing off. Oh well...........My oldest daughter just began a new school. Our system is different then yours. It is much more serious now, new subjects like French and Arithmatics. She is getting there. A question, when do you use then and than?[/QUOTE]
well it is quite simple, really....one would use then rather than than if you were saying "back then" ....i would also say "i would have this rather than that..."
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:51
So, f.e. : our system is different than your?
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:51
then : when speaking of the past
than : when comparing
English is my second language by the way... so don't be too hard on me!
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:51
glass house wrote:
So, f.e. : our system is different than your? |
Yep
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:52
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answer one of the questions at the top of the thread and you're in!
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:53
mystic fred wrote:
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answer one of the questions at the top of the thread and you're in! [/QUOTE]
Just did, the 2 above posts...
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:56
Kids have it way easier than we did back then...
I was riding my bike today and crossed paths with a teenager riding his scooter talking on a mobile phone... Not only do they have it easier, they are more dependant on technology and material than we were. They worry more about appearances than being... Truth is, today's youths worries me.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:01
i agree with you about the technology....once we knew how everything worked, even a space rocket, i used to strip down and repair my own car (it was a very old car!!) and wait till i got home to phone the girlfriend - peace all day!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:04
I remember being 16 or 17 I talked back to adults, sometimes even being unpolite. But it seems the youth now is worse. Not my kids though ( I hope ) .
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:05
I'm not yet 30...but does fathering a child get you access to this room?
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:06
mystic fred wrote:
i agree with you about the technology....once we knew how everything worked, even a space rocket, i used to strip down and repair my own car (it was a very old car!!) and wait till i got home to phone the girlfriend - peace all day!
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Kids don't realize it yet, but relying so much on technology to make and have everything faster will increase their stress level through the roof and will stop them from learning patience. I mean, it has already become more common today to be suffering from depression, anxiety attacks and suicidal tendencies than it was when we were young, and they all seem to be wondering why...
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:06
NaturalScience wrote:
I'm not yet 30...but does fathering a child get you access to this room? |
welcome, Dad!!
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:09
mystic fred wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
I'm not yet 30...but does fathering a child get you access to this room? |
welcome, Dad!!
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:11
melomaniac
Kids don't realize it yet, but relying so much on technology to make and have everything faster will increase their stress level through the roof and will stop them from learning patience. I mean, it has already become more common today to be suffering from depression, anxiety attacks and suicidal tendencies than it was when we were young, and they all seem to be wondering why... [/QUOTE]
yes, experts are discussing this issue in Britain right now, concern over the high percentage of young people sufferring from depression due to stress.
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:11
mystic fred wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
I'm not yet 30...but does fathering a child get you access to this room? |
welcome, Dad!!
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Welcome, daddy .
About the stress levels the kids having : read an article about that, it will only get worse.
Talk a lot to my daughter about being satisfied with what you've got.
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:14
And what might be turning our youths in stressed people?
One of the main responibles has to be the medias (television) I think.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:16
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The media and society in general.Life is so fast-paced now and most people only look out for or care about themselves,kids included.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:18
video games are claimed to be a contributing factor...i tried some of them they really stress you out and pull you away from reality. try playing a racing game for hours then get in your car - it's extremely dangerous!
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:19
I also think that the capitalist system is responsible, with its so-called "values" now firmly implanted in almost every home in N.A and Europe.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:22
TheProgtologist wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The media and society in general.Life is so fast-paced now and most people only look out for or care about themselves,kids included.
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hi Jody!....very true, though i try to do my bit.......i have many teenagers in my care in my work and try to instill a community spirit.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:27
Melomaniac wrote:
I also think that the capitalist system is responsible, with its so-called "values" now firmly implanted in almost every home in N.A and Europe. |
the survival of the fittest......humans are supposed to have grown above the law of the jungle. it is said a society should be judged on how it treats its, old, young and disabled people.
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:28
Overall it is the fast pace and the pressure by others to do that and buy this. Chill!!
My daughter, as I, loves to read, I encourage her to do that and to find the peace to read.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:32
yes, good relaxation therapy, reading - i should do more myself! i spend most of my spare time listening to music and TV.
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:34
We also have to teach our kids to invest time in what they really want to do, in passions and hobbies, and in their dreams, not in what society teaches them to be important, such as being richer and more powerful than the rest... They will be a lot more happier for it! My parents always encouraged me (and still do to this day) to continue playing music, even though he knew that it is not the easiest of paths... And I thank them for it.
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:34
Fred, I try to take some hour or hours for my reading, go off to a quiet place and bury myself in the book. I even won't hear a bomb going off .
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:35
Can even a movie beat a good book? Not in a hundred years!
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:41
Melomaniac wrote:
Can even a movie beat a good book? Not in a hundred years! |
very true....back in 1971 i read the hobbit and the whole of lord of the rings, i saw the movie trilogy and was very impressed, though they had to miss out a lot of material.
i also like to read history books, naval history, i read a two volume history of the united states just travelling to and from the city some years ago..it took me 5 months!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:47
Melomaniac : We also have to teach our kids to invest time in what they really want to do, in passions and hobbies, and in their dreams, not in what society teaches them to be important - agree with you there, good advice.
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:48
mystic fred wrote:
Melomaniac wrote:
Can even a movie beat a good book? Not in a hundred years! |
very true....back in 1971 i read the hobbit and the whole of lord of the rings, i saw the movie trilogy and was very impressed, though they had to miss out a lot of material.
i also like to read history books, naval history, i read a two volume history of the united states just travelling to and from the city some years ago..it took me 5 months!
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Just the example I had in mind. True, the movies were amazing, but Jackson remodeled the story for the screen, and they left out many things...
I am an avid sci-fi / anticipation fan, and history also... Books on WWII, The Middle-Ages French Kings, the discovery and conquest of our country (Canada) and about how the natives were, simply put, almost completely eradicated...
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:50
I read a book about the Scottish history and a big bit is going on the Battle of Culloden. It is amazing and horrific to read what the english did back then. Not that the Dutch are clean!!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 17:02
Melomaniac wrote:
Can even a movie beat a good book? Not in a hundred years! |
Not by a longshot.
Give me a good novel over a movie anyday!!!
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 17:46
Hello, is this the Grumpy Old Men room?
I'd like to take us back to one of the original ideas about discussing old gigs. I still have the ticket stub from Genesis at the Hammersmith Odeon, Friday June 11th 1976. It cost me the vast sum of £1.50!! I guess my mind must be going because the only bit I can really remember is the "A flower?" bit from Supper's Ready. So who else saw the giants of prog in the 70s? My sisters used to go and see Caravan at Ewell Tech (with Black Sabbath!).
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 17:55
chopper wrote:
Hello, is this the Grumpy Old Men room?
I'd like to take us back to one of the original ideas about discussing old gigs. I still have the ticket stub from Genesis at the Hammersmith Odeon, Friday June 11th 1976. It cost me the vast sum of £1.50!! I guess my mind must be going because the only bit I can really remember is the "A flower?" bit from Supper's Ready. So who else saw the giants of prog in the 70s? My sisters used to go and see Caravan at Ewell Tech (with Black Sabbath!).
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......me...grumpy?
hi chopper, Hammy Odeon (now the Hammersmith Apollo) was almost my second home for some time. Many gigs, Aerosmith 76 , Queen 75, the show was built around Bohemian Rhapsody, amazing, saw Quo a few times, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Peter Gabriel, Marillion!....loads. i used to go to Wembley Arena ( Yes 90125, AC/DC) and Earl's Court (Led Zep 75) too. I remember them all, not very cool!
PS must get my beauty sleep now, up at 5am tomorrow!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 18:00
Hello, is this the Grumpy Old Men room? No.
I saw Marillion on their first european tour just after they released 'Script ". It was at an open air festival in my homer town. It was great. A lot of people didn't know them and I had just bought the album.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 18:03
glass house wrote:
I read a book about the Scottish history and a big bit is going on the Battle of Culloden. It is amazing and horrific to read what the english did back then. Not that the Dutch are clean!! |
i read up on some Scottish history on a visit there some years ago, i visited some empty abandoned castles in the Loch Ness region, it was very eerie, imagined the sieges and bloodbaths, i also visited Glencoe.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 18:06
mystic fred wrote:
chopper wrote:
Hello, is this the Grumpy Old Men room?
I'd like to take us back to one of the original ideas about discussing old gigs. I still have the ticket stub from Genesis at the Hammersmith Odeon, Friday June 11th 1976. It cost me the vast sum of £1.50!! I guess my mind must be going because the only bit I can really remember is the "A flower?" bit from Supper's Ready. So who else saw the giants of prog in the 70s? My sisters used to go and see Caravan at Ewell Tech (with Black Sabbath!).
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......me...grumpy?
hi chopper, Hammy Odeon (now the Hammersmith Apollo) was almost my second home for some time. Many gigs, Aerosmith 76 , Queen 75, the show was built around Bohemian Rhapsody, amazing, saw Quo a few times, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Peter Gabriel....loads. i used to go to Wembley Arena ( Yes 90125, AC/DC) and Earl's Court (Led Zep 75) too. I remember them all, not very cool!
PS must get my beauty sleep now, up at 5am tomorrow!
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I saw Peter Gabriel at Hammy Odeon too - March 12th 1980. The whole band walked through the audience from the back onto the stage, carrying torches. Very effective. I also saw Rainbow, Rush (3 times), Be Bop Deluxe, Yes (with Trevor Horn), Rory Gallagher and Status Quo (amongst others).
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Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 19:08
I'm closing in on 40 soon, I'll be turning 39 this January, May I join the club? I have grey hair and I like to reminisce about the good old days.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 20:24
TheProgtologist wrote:
Melomaniac wrote:
Can even a movie beat a good book? Not in a hundred years! |
Not by a longshot.
Give me a good novel over a movie anyday!!! |
Wholeheartedly seconded
(I know, I know, I am not your age.... married w/o kids and that's it. But those 3 years in the army have taught me things you can't learn in other places...).
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Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 20:31
Nearly 40 here
and I live in a grey room...
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 22:24
I like to read as well, but I simply don't do enough of it. I have the desire too though. It is vitally important though for children to read regularly and try and restrict their television watching. I had a television in my room and I used to watch a lot of 18 rated films when I was 14 or 15, but they luckily didn't have a bad affect on me. However, the content in films today is very worrying.
Maybe it's just me, but almost every American film I see on late at night involves mindless car chases, shootings, stabbing, swearing... what ever happened to harmless films that dealt with adult concepts in an intelligent way? I'm not saying all violent films are inherently bad, not at all, but some of them are pointless and not even worth making. It's also not always a question of violence, but it's often a question of how much the film costs to make!
Personally, I would much rather watch an old Ealing Comedy, or an Alistair Sim film, than something modern and mind-numbingly awful.
Oh and I realise I am not 30, but I am 26, which is older than most of the posters in that VR place!
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 23:13
Well, I wondered where my grouchy old contemporaries were off too.
I like the idea of an area for our interests, but come on guys. Is this only going to be a gripe session about how much better it was in the old days.?
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 02:19
bhikkhu wrote:
Well, I wondered where my grouchy old contemporaries were off too.
I like the idea of an area for our interests, but come on guys. Is this only going to be a gripe session about how much better it was in the old days.? |
i hope not.......there are many things which are better these days - the world is a safer place in the workplace for instance with health and safety rules in force, travel is safer believe or or not - compulsory seat belts, impact air bags, crash helmets on bikes, i could give you a long list! also music technology is well advanced than it used to be - music can be enjoyed at last to its full potential. my old albums sound much beter on modern equipment - there are loads of modern things which are better now!
can you come up with any examples?
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 02:54
Bastille Dude wrote:
I'm closing in on 40 soon, I'll be turning 39 this January, May I join the club?I have grey hair and I like to reminisce about the good old days. |
I just turned 40.
Remember when all of our toys were made of metal,playground equipment had sharp edges,bolts sticking out and a concrete pad under the jungle gyms and riding a bike with a helmet on was unheard of?
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:51
chopper wrote:
I still have the ticket stub from Genesis at the Hammersmith Odeon, Friday June 11th 1976. It cost me the vast sum of £1.50!!I guess my mind must be going because the only bit I can really remember is the "A flower?" bit from Supper's Ready.So who else saw the giants of prog in the 70s? My sisters used to go and see Caravan at Ewell Tech (with Black Sabbath!). |
Let's clear up a couple of things first, eh?
1 - Hammersmith Odeon (Genesis, Zappa, AC/DC, Motorhead, Hawkwind, plus too many others to recall... especially Krokus ) is, was and will always be Hammersmith Odeon, or 'Hammy' - never The Labatts Apollo or the Carling Apollo!
2 - My favorite venue, St Albans City Hall (Marillion, Hawkwind, Fairport Convention, Budgie... etc etc etc and Manowar...) is not The Alban Arena!
3 - The Marquee (too many to list, but included are The Enid, Magnum, Pendragon, Twelfth Night, Solstice, 999... and believe it or not, Pallas ) is a pokey little black painted sweaty basement club in Wardour Street, London - you cannot just move a venue anywhere you like and call it The Marquee!
But, oh! Those halcyon days of the late 1970s - I was there on the first night at Earls Court when Floyd left 20,000 of us with our mouths open after seeing 'The Wall' played live. I've been at the Reading Festival watching The Enid's Robert John Godfrey jumping around in dungarees singing 'Wild Thing' . I was there, too, at Reading in 1983 when a young, nervous Marillion blew headliners Black Sabbath (vocals - Ian Gillan ) off stage...
I've never had an I-Pod, but remember when cassette Walkmans were cool, I remember when mobile phones were the size of a Mini Metro... Hell! I remember the Mini Metro, I remember when computers filled large carefully air conditioned rooms and the closest we came to this technology was a Commodore 64, a ZX Spectrum, or (if you were rich) a BBCB.
The internet? The internet?!? E-Mail?!?! I remember when people used to phone each other, and write letters, and tape albums from friends (remember "home taping is killing music"?) - when download wasn't even a word!
And you tell the kids of today that...
...and they'll not believe you.
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:02
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:15
*dozes off in a comfortable chair*
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:17
I remember the look on my daughters face when she saw me play a record. She was about 3 or 4. She allready had seen a cd, so she was amazed there was sound coming out.
It took me ages to get comfortable with cd's when they appeared. I didn't want the albums to go. Was that around 81-82? The sound is much better afcourse.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:31
Now you're making me feel old! My brother had a ZX81 and later on, an Acorn Electron. My first PC was a 386... actually, that was the family machine, my first PC was an AMD K5 133MHz.
I had - and still have - an Atari ST 520, which cost over £300 at the time.
I went to school when the Internet was barely in existence, so I didn't have the advantage of being able to find information at a click of a button. Yes, I had to go a building called a library!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:32
aaahhh, the smell of librarys .
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:35
Libraries will probably be a thing of the past in 10 or 20 years, or if they do still exist, they'll be interactive, probably in the form of Virtual Reality.
Not that I like that idea mind you. I like the smell of old books, plus I also like to read some of the comments people write in library books (not that common, but it does happen).
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 06:27
Bastille Dude wrote:
I'm closing in on 40 soon, I'll be turning 39 this January, May I join the club? I have grey hair and I like to reminisce about the good old days.
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of course B-Dude, long as you're not too grumpy!
on the subject of Libraries (they wouldn't dream of covering this in VR3), at my College we now have to refer to the Library as the "Learning Centre" or "Resource Centre", my local Library has computers and cd's for hire, there are many books but in the future i assume they will run the books down and increase computer availability.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:14
I think there will still be some need for the traditional library set up for a while. At least at the University level. They serve as study centers, as well as a research source.
I was looking at the thread about how many gigs of music. It reminded me of the old stereo system comparisons. Remember the bragging about brands, watts per channel, and quadraphonic?
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:18
mystic fred wrote:
On the subject of Libraries (they wouldn't dream of covering this in VR3), at my College we now have to refer to the Library as the "Learning Centre" or "Resource Centre", my local Library has computers and cd's for hire, there are many books but in the future i assume they will run the books down and increase computer availability. |
My local library used to hire out LPs - it's now more like an internet cafe; all the PCs well used & deepening dust around the bookshelves...
Here you go - this'll show you how old I am; I took maths & physics O levels... and wasn't allowed to use a calculator!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:19
If you had a Marantz stereo set in those days you would be king. Very popular back then!
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:33
That lovely brushed gold effect facia... of course, if you were skint, like me, your amp was a Solavox.
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:37
Jim Garten wrote:
My local library used to hire out LPs |
Ah yes, happy memories! I borrowed Rush, Genesis and Hawkwind albums from the library amongst other bands.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:47
Bob Greece wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
My local library used to hire out LPs |
Ah yes, happy memories! I borrowed Rush, Genesis and Hawkwind albums from the library amongst other bands. |
The only LP I remember getting was Firesign Theater "How Can You Be Two Places at Once, When You're Not Anywhere at All." Funny stuff.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:52
Another indication of my particular vintage - anyone remember when VCRs were the only appliance with a remote control... and even that was attached by a wire!
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:57
Geck0 wrote:
Now you're making me feel old! My brother had a ZX81 and later on, an Acorn Electron. My first PC was a 386... actually, that was the family machine, my first PC was an AMD K5 133MHz.
I had - and still have - an Atari ST 520, which cost over £300 at the time.
I went to school when the Internet was barely in existence, so I didn't have the advantage of being able to find information at a click of a button. Yes, I had to go a building called a library!
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Ah, the ZX81 with it's massive 1K memory. I got the 16K expansion pack which never fitted very well. You were supposed to be able to save to and load from a standard cassette player, but I could never get that to work either. Horrible keyboard as well, but it's where I started as a computer programmer.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:00
Remember how hot they used to get if you used them for more than half an hour at a time?
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:06
Jim Garten wrote:
mystic fred wrote:
On the subject of Libraries (they wouldn't dream of covering this in VR3), at my College we now have to refer to the Library as the "Learning Centre" or "Resource Centre", my local Library has computers and cd's for hire, there are many books but in the future i assume they will run the books down and increase computer availability. |
My local library used to hire out LPs - it's now more like an internet cafe; all the PCs well used & deepening dust around the bookshelves...
Here you go - this'll show you how old I am; I took maths & physics O levels... and wasn't allowed to use a calculator! |
when i was at school we were a bit more advanced -we had steam driven mechanical calculators!
BTW Jim, you actually saw Pallas!!!??
you mentioned Krokus, i was into them and saw them at Newcastle City Hall in....1982. i remember the support band was .....Magnum!!
BTW i first learned computer language on MS-DOS system - goto etc.etc.- hard work!
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:09
The tape cassettes never loaded properly, but they made a fun noise. I think someone has sampled it for some tune or other, but I've never heard it.
Part of my brother's audio setup consisted of Marantz in the '80s.
Well our television has gone backwards in time, because the new ones keep blowing up! We've got an old Bang & Olufsen with a very unwieldy remote control for it (which apparently costs £50 to replace!). At least it works though, a nice sturdy machine!
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:17
Jim Garten wrote:
Another indication of my particular vintage - anyone remember when VCRs were the only appliance with a remote control... and even that was attached by a wire! |
Yours had a remote control? Wow!
Speaking of old sound companies, remember this?
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:18
Geck0 wrote:
The tape cassettes never loaded properly, but they made a fun noise. I think someone has sampled it for some tune or other, but I've never heard it.
Part of my brother's audio setup consisted of Marantz in the '80s.
Well our television has gone backwards in time, because the new ones keep blowing up! We've got an old Bang & Olufsen with a very unwieldy remote control for it (which apparently costs £50 to replace!). At least it works though, a nice sturdy machine!
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It went like this............
......BRRRRRRRRRRRDIDDDLEYYYYDDDDIDDDLEEEYYYYYBUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRD-D-D-D-D-BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeBUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRDIDDLEY...ID....
whhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR-D-D-D-D......
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 09:44
Oh, wow!
Can I join the grey room please? I'm not an old man (grumpy or otherwise) but I do remember "The Hammy" (and St.Albans City Hall Jim!) I had a ZXSpectrum, and I was totally shocked this morning when I heard on the radio that 95% of 12 year olds have a mobile phone (probably with more gadgets and gizmos than imne!) WHO do they need to call, the survey said "most children said it helped their social lives"...............sheeeesh, tree climbing wasn't that tricky when I was 12!
Sorry, off topic! I remember as a student my boyfriends Mum used to send us £5 every week, on a friday night that bought us 2 pints each, a packet of marlboro (when they were RED and made you cough!) AND a kebab from the scary wagon on the way home............................. sometimes there was enough left over for a pint of milk (yes sorry Mum we knew it was for groceries REALLY! )
But you know, today is my son's 12th birthday, I had a fabulous childhood, I saw his face this morning though, and I hope that he will grow up to say "when I was a lad.........." our kids are healthy and happy, he is excited by a new book, and can make me laugh, he enjoys school and eats brown bread and cabbage (not together!) I don't think the kids are doing too badly........... they all keep us on our toes, but it's not such a bad thing...........god only knows how he will afford to sneak out of his bedroom window and jump on a train to London to some gig in a couple of years time the way I did though!
(ah...................nothing is as sticky as the Marquee floor!)
Right...............if I can have Grey status I will return later!
P-C x
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 10:23
Sorry, off topic! - you said, nothing is off topic here .
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 10:25
Hello again!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 10:39
Not sure if our main master Fred approves of that post .
Anyway, what's up?
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 11:17
Do you know I just heard sometihng on the radio, and this is possibly a good place to "share" it!
Your chances of dying in the bath tub are one in two million.
which seems reasonable, unless you think that in the UK your chances of winning the jackpot on the National Lottery is one in fourteen million.
Now, when you thik how many folk really believe they have a chance in winning..............it's amazing that we never consider our chance of croaking in the tub!
well...................I'm off for a "lucky dip".............(assuming I live through the experience!!!!)
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 11:35
There's probably more chance of being run over by Elvis Presley riding Shergar than there is of winning the lottery. Actually I did read that you have more chance of finding a winning ticket blowing about in the street than you have of actually buying one.
I'm not very good at stats, but let's say you have 1 bath a week and it takes 30 mins. There are 10,080 minutes in a week (7x24x60) so if you snuff it in any given week, there is a 1 in 336 chance that you will be in the bath at the time, but this is probably completely wrong.
I'm off home for a shower.
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 11:40
chopper wrote:
riding Shergar |
SEE!!!! That's what is good about the grey room........... talking to folk who remember Shergar!
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 12:09
prog-chick wrote:
Oh, wow!
Can I join the grey room please? I'm not an old man (grumpy or otherwise) but I do remember "The Hammy" (and St.Albans City Hall Jim!) I had a ZXSpectrum, and I was totally shocked this morning when I heard on the radio that 95% of 12 year olds have a mobile phone (probably with more gadgets and gizmos than imne!) WHO do they need to call, the survey said "most children said it helped their social lives"...............sheeeesh, tree climbing wasn't that tricky when I was 12!
Sorry, off topic! I remember as a student my boyfriends Mum used to send us £5 every week, on a friday night that bought us 2 pints each, a packet of marlboro (when they were RED and made you cough!) AND a kebab from the scary wagon on the way home............................. sometimes there was enough left over for a pint of milk (yes sorry Mum we knew it was for groceries REALLY! )
But you know, today is my son's 12th birthday, I had a fabulous childhood, I saw his face this morning though, and I hope that he will grow up to say "when I was a lad.........." our kids are healthy and happy, he is excited by a new book, and can make me laugh, he enjoys school and eats brown bread and cabbage (not together!) I don't think the kids are doing too badly........... they all keep us on our toes, but it's not such a bad thing...........god only knows how he will afford to sneak out of his bedroom window and jump on a train to London to some gig in a couple of years time the way I did though! (ah...................nothing is as sticky as the Marquee floor!)
Right...............if I can have Grey status I will return later!
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HI PC!! you're more than welcome to join us!!! don't talk so fast though, our old ears can't take it
yes i remember Shergar.......hiding away with Lord Lucan (and Elvis) somewhere i believe!
say HAPPY BIRTHDAY to your son.........love to be 12 again myself - fantastic age!!!
PS i had a ZX Spectrum too
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 12:16
chopper wrote:
There's probably more chance of being run over by Elvis Presley riding Shergar than there is of winning the lottery. Actually I did read that you have more chance of finding a winning ticket blowing about in the street than you have of actually buying one.
I'm not very good at stats, but let's say you have 1 bath a week and it takes 30 mins. There are 10,080 minutes in a week (7x24x60) so if you snuff it in any given week, there is a 1 in 336 chance that you will be in the bath at the time, but this is probably completely wrong.
I'm off home for a shower. |
i knew someone who was killed by having a bath.........he ran out of bath suds and was crossing the road to buy some more and stopped to pick up a lost winning lottery ticket and...........got knocked down by Elvis riding Shergar...what are the odds on that happening Professor.....???
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 12:36
mystic fred wrote:
BTW Jim, you actually saw Pallas!!!?? |
Eeeer - three times actually - once at Reading, once at Hammersmith & once at the Marquee.
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mystic fred wrote:
you mentioned Krokus, i was into them and saw them at Newcastle City Hall in....1982. i remember the support band was .....Magnum! |
Ah Krokus - the only band in the world whose English pronunciation was worse than The Scorpions!
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 12:42
prog-chick wrote:
...but I do remember "The Hammy" (and St.Albans City Hall Jim!) I had a ZXSpectrum... £5 every week, on a friday night that bought us 2 pints each, a packet of marlboro (when they were RED and made you cough!) AND a kebab from the scary wagon on the way home |
PC - you are truly a worthy member of The Grey Room!
I too remember a good night out being possible on a fiver; I fondly remember beer at 33 pence a pint - I didn't smoke, but ciggies were about 75 pence for 20 (all this is around 1979 BTW) & a huge bag of chips (from the best chippy in the world - DB Fish Shop, Potters Bar) for 25 pence.
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...anyone remember Cresta?
"it's frothy man"
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 12:53
Ah.............Cresta..................................every bubble has passed it's fizzical!
Student union bar in my day, you could buy a PINT of (admittedly ropey) white wine for 85pence!!!
But I guess I was a year or two behind you Jim!
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 13:35
Easy folks. I came in here to talk to people with a similar frame of reference. It seems many of you are from the U.K. I suddenly feel as out of place as I would in the Velvet Room.
By the way, what is Shergar?
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 14:46
Hi Bhikku - we're just having a light hearted look at the past - and the future! you're very welcome indeed, though some may want to continue while we in the UK are having our beauty sleep - all nationalities and time zones are welcome of course.
BTW Shergar - this racehorse won the Epsom Derby in 1981, and was kidnapped from his stable in Ireland in 1983 for a ransom which was never paid. The horse was never seen again, and remains one of our most famous mysteries!
look forward to seeing you here again Bhikku!
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:07
mystic fred wrote:
chopper wrote:
There's probably more chance of being run over by Elvis Presley riding Shergar than there is of winning the lottery. Actually I did read that you have more chance of finding a winning ticket blowing about in the street than you have of actually buying one.
I'm not very good at stats, but let's say you have 1 bath a week and it takes 30 mins. There are 10,080 minutes in a week (7x24x60) so if you snuff it in any given week, there is a 1 in 336 chance that you will be in the bath at the time, but this is probably completely wrong.
I'm off home for a shower. |
i knew someone who was killed by having a bath.........he ran out of bath suds and was crossing the road to buy some more and stopped to pick up a lost winning lottery ticket and...........got knocked down by Elvis riding Shergar...what are the odds on that happening Professor.....???
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Absolutely no idea!!! What are the chances of picking up a winning lottery ticket that was dropped by someone who had just been run over by Elvis riding Shergar?
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:08
prog-chick wrote:
Ah.............Cresta..................................every bubble has passed it's fizzical!
Student union bar in my day, you could buy a PINT of (admittedly ropey) white wine for 85pence!!!
But I guess I was a year or two behind you Jim! |
A PINT of wine?? Ye Gods, I bet there wasn't much work done at your uni p-c.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:11
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:12
A PINT of wine?? Ye Gods, I bet there wasn't much work done at your uni p-c.
You English drink a lot.
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:21
glass house wrote:
A PINT of wine?? Ye Gods, I bet there wasn't much work done at your uni p-c.
You English drink a lot. |
Well, to be fair it was quite a long time ago................. I was young and foolish..........with five whole pounds in my pocket!!!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 16:35
Wheeze
cough
hack
creak!
New post!
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Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 21:26
TheProgtologist wrote:
I just turned 40.
Remember when all of our toys were made of metal,playground equipment had sharp edges,bolts sticking out and a concrete pad under the jungle gyms and riding a bike with a helmet on was unheard of? |
When I was 9 years old my parents brought me to a playground in a park. I ran to the giant metal slide, the kind of slide that has a metal tube covering it, and climbed the stairs. When I got to the top my mother decided to snap my picture going down, just as I got to the slide and started to sit, I whacked my forehead on that metal tube enclosure and just about gave myself a concussion. As I slid down the slide my mother snapped the picture. Later after getting the pictures developed, there is a great picture of me sliding down the slide, holding my head in pain and crying!
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 22:17
Bastille Dude wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
I just turned 40.
Remember when all of our toys were made of metal,playground equipment had sharp edges,bolts sticking out and a concrete pad under the jungle gyms and riding a bike with a helmet on was unheard of? | When I was 9 years old my parents brought me to a playground in a park. I ran to the giant metal slide, the kind of slide that has a metal tube covering it, and climbed the stairs. When I got to the top my mother decided to snap my picture going down, just as I got to the slide and started to sit, I whacked my forehead on that metal tube enclosure and just about gave myself a concussion. As I slid down the slide my mother snapped the picture. Later after getting the pictures developed, there is a great picture of me sliding down the slide, holding my head in pain and crying! |
Those old playgrounds were great. Full of danger. Do you think our parents were trying to thin the herd?
Bill Cosby had a great routine about this.
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