Album De-Ranking
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Topic: Album De-Ranking
Posted By: Australian
Subject: Album De-Ranking
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:32
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I recently wrote a review of Argus by Wishbone Ash. In it I wrote this statement which was then cut out by Easy Livin’, he was right to do so and suggested to make a topic of the subject. "I wanted to post this review before inconsiderate people purposely de rank the My claim is, that people purposely do de-rank albums, whether it is they dislike a band, or…they are trying to de rank albums in the PA top 100. Let’s take Close to the Edge as an example, 4% of ratings have been one star (from around 500 ratings), that’s a little over 20 people have rated the album 1 star, yet only one person has written a review to support their rating. The fact is de-ranking does happen, and although it isn’t a major issue to many people, it annoys me that people abuse the ratings system. My suggestion is to force people to write reviews, which will in tern decrease the number of people who purposely de-rank albums. (and yes, I’m aware of the holes in my argument) ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:41
| Matthew, I think that what those people are doing is uttelry stupid and childish - however, as things stand now it is practically impossible to stop them, unless we enforce an 'obligatory review' system. I for one agree with your suggestion, although of course there is no guarantee as to the quality of the reviews - which, in any case, could be delete if unsatisfactory, which doesn't happen to review-less ratings. |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:47
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If an 'obligatory review' system was enforced I doubt whether anyone would have the courage to write a one star review for any non-deserving album, they would be… scared. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:50
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I've been supporting the idea of justifying your idea, whatever that is, however you want it, for God knows how long. The system seems to stay like this. Plus you can't really blame every less appreciative ranking for de-ranking. I also agree that de-ranking (as well as up-ranking) is a feature or mentality more or less prominent or able to happen, I think that most are of the specific purpose of de-ranking, however there isn't solid proof that all are de-ranking. Think of the consequences of every 1 star/or 5 star on the other hand, being seen as a personal lift or crash intended.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:51
no, they would pretty much do something like "I can't believe this album gets such a high review... blah blah blah...it's awful and despicable...blah blah blah...ugh"  -------------
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Australian wrote:Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:54
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If one really does believe an album to be worth 1 or 5 stars then it should be supported by a review. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:15
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I think it's more important to filter out multiple votes. And of course only registered members should be allowed to vote in any voting system ... for *each* user there needs to be a page which lists all the votes. This will encourage the voter to vote consistently, or otherwise make a fool of his/herself (a simple control mechanism).
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:15
... and such reviews would be deleted - problem solved.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:21
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Perhaps there should be a separate collabs/PR average for each album and then another average for everyone else, the two would be merged to give an overall rating. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:23
of course. but the action would still be done. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:25
is that a truly justifyable reason. sure we get credit for being more than the average and tad more eloquent in our reviewing judgement, but, since you just asked to merge into one aspect (to review he opinion), why should we differentiate now the caliber of reviewers? -------------
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:27
No reason. Just to give an average from both groups. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:35
but why groups?  -------------
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:39
To give a comparison between the two groups as to what ratings each gives. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:43
WHY?!   the essence is to review an album, not to make groups of people qualifications. -------------
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 07:46
It is now
  This is getting too off topic.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 14:19
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I think this is essentially the ratings without reviews debate.
mailto:M@x - M@x is quite adamant that ratings without reviews shoudl continue to be accepted, and that the existing ones will not be deleted. As a recognition of their lesser value though, the weightings of the reviews were introduced. This means that ratings with reviews are multiplied by a factor of 2, and SC/PR ratings by a multiple of 3 in terms of influence of the ratings.
mailto:M@x - M@x will soon introduce a mandatory requirement to be registered with the forum before a rating with or without a review can be submitted. This when combined with the existing checks will substantially reduce the opportunities for multiple ratings of an album by one person.
Some people, will try to get round the weightings by writing a brief review without substance, but Atkingani (Guigo) and I are on the lookout, together with our friends who contribute to the reviews reporting thread.
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:58
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I spoke out long ago in favour of ratings without review, and I will continue to do so untill the heaven falls on our heads. But all ratings should be honest and reflect the way the person who rates perceives the album, not influenced by the general rating, to degrade or upgrade the average rating is not the course to take, an honest rating is what we need. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:16
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Unfortunately not everyone does give an honest rating and are affected by current standings. -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 23:19
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I don't really care about the rankings. I do believe if someone cares enough to choose a rating, they should have to back it up. When I first came aboard, I was surprised to see that it was possible to do this without submitting a review. If someone can't coherently express their opinions, the review won't be kept. This will cut down on childish behavior. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: zaxx
Date Posted: October 01 2006 at 11:23
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I think the new weight system is a great addition, but this won't prevent people abusing of 1 star and 5 stars ratings without reviews to simply tweak the rankings. When you see ten honest reviews with 4 or 5 stars and suddenly one 1 star rating without review (not always on top 100 albums too), you can suspect something wrong...
Maybe decrease even more the weight of those ratings without reviews (1/3 instead of 1/2 for example)? Of course the best would be to force people to write reviews, especially for those 1 and 5 stars ratings... ------------- Destiny... Infinity... Eternity... |