Shoegazer (Sub-Catergory)
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Topic: Shoegazer (Sub-Catergory)
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Subject: Shoegazer (Sub-Catergory)
Date Posted: August 28 2006 at 20:48
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I am advocating the addition of a Shoegazer sub-category on Prog Archives. This genre of music is extrodinarily progressive and implements an array of musical subterfuges and influences that can be found in such legendary prog groups/artists like Tangerine Deam, Eno, Kraftwerk,Jean-Michel-Jarre, Sigur Ros, Explosions in the Sky, Ulver, A Silver Mount Zion, CAN, and countless other artists within the post-rock, krautrock, and progressive elctronica sub-genre.
Upon viewing Prog Archives for the first time, I was surprised to see Post-rock sub-genre and contiually disappointed at lack of initiative to include shoegazer sub-genre (its more captivating of the two).
This additon will considerably elevate interest in Prog Archives. For instance, I believe the most popular shoegazer band is My Bloody Valentine. If an individual enjoys MBV's music, he/she will explore a myriad of websites that provdide acccurate information regarding a band whom has a similar style of music. More importantly, the long-term effect is that an interest in one band leads to another and, subsequently, the individual spills over into other sub-genres (Progressive Electronica, Post-Rock, ect..) and become full-fledged prog fan.
This addition can only help Prog Archives. I would say many of venerated members ojn Prog Archives are familiar with all the sub-genres included on this site. The people who are proponents for the inclusion of such rock outfits as the Grateful Dead, Iron Maiden, and Blue Oyster Cult seem to pursue similar goal; they want tap in to a new pool of fans, and hopfully, interest them to the virtues of progressive music.
Collaborators, I implore you to to make a sincere iniative to pusure this proposal. If this inclusion, fails, that would be alright, for I would be comforted by the fact there was an effort made to add this genre to Prog Archives.
Greatly Appreciated
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 22:53
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Thoughts? |
Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 22:57
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isn't shoe gazer music known more widely as "goth"? i mean, i got a cd-r from someone with this "to blossom blue is to blossom without you" song on it and, after hearing monster magnet and emperor, who both boldly scream where no band has screamed before, this was utter drivel... ------------- 
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 23:00
it has some similarities to goth msuic, however, I would asociate goth with bands like Evanescence, Lacuna Coil, in the woods, Type of Negative, Agalloch, early-Dead Can Dance, Joy Division, The Gathering, Stream of Passion ect....
Shoegazing is more similar to post rock than anything, there would be Tortoise, Sigur Ros, Mogwai withut shoegazer titans like MBV, Slowdive, and Catherine Wheel
its wall of sound, droning guitar ambient keyboards, ethereal atmospheres, often hackneyed lyrics aboyut lost love
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darksinger wrote:Posted By: darksinger
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 23:01
just mention them wearing black velvet garb and heavy eyeliner and you've got goth -------------
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 23:12
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Cocteau Twins, MBV, etc... prog? I don't think so. Dead Can Dance are a possibility, they aren't really shoegaze to me. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: August 31 2006 at 01:05
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I'm not sure if they belong here, but I love the Catherine Wheel. "Adam & Eve" is borderline prog IMO. Also on "Like Cats & Dogs" they do a cover of "Wish You Were Here" and "The Spirit Of Radio". Tim Friese-Green's keyboard work is all over "Adam & Eve". ------------- DEATH TO FALSE PROG! |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:34
DCD is so progressive they are regressive; they use ancient instruments in all their albums. Basically, verything after Spleen and Ideal.
Where would DCD be placed if added to PA?
BTW, if Shoegazer Sub-Category is too overwhelming some shoegezer bands should be added to Post Rock Prog Related catergoreis like MBV and Slowdive.
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Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 17:36
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I think for the moment it is ok to put any shoegazer bands in the Experimental/Post-Rock section because they are so similar. If shoegazer took off though then it would maybe be preferable to make two seperate sub-catergory. -------------  http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 17:42
Sorry, but I cringed looking at how you mixed up actual goth rock music, with non-goth, mallcore AND some of the greatest Prog-Metal my ears have ever heard.
Back to the topic, I have only heard My Bloody Valentine, yet from what I have heard I can gather that this is not a style of music completely opposite to progrock's values. Whether it would make sense to include on the site is another question, as we would need more people who specialise in this genre, and as far as I am concerned, Indie fans rather than fans of Prog listen to Shoegaze, so this could be troublesome. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 18:18
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The shoegazer scene of the 90's is completely removed from goth that it is not even comparable. Two different styles of music that were as close as Metal was to Disco. The above mentioned bands would fit perfectly in the post-rock category. Bands like MBV, The Catherine Wheel, Slowdive, Swervedriver, Ride, Chapterhouse, Lush and Mercury Rev were doing their thing years before Radiohead and the likes hit the scene. ------------- DEATH TO FALSE PROG! |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: October 10 2006 at 18:47
then tell the Collabs to do it. Chamberry, Will You Advocate this motion?
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: October 10 2006 at 19:25
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I'm hardly an expert in this field, but honestly, I think this is a can of worms best left un-opened. I really don't see a much of a connection with prog, and moreover, if we add shoegazer as a sub-genre, we would eventually receive endless demands about adding various other indie-rock bands to the site, and frankly, the last time I checked prog and indie were two separate beasts. The fact that we have Post-rock here is already controversial enough, no need to make things even more difficult IMO. ------------- 
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 09:16
agreed brother you've got a very broad interpretation of Goth if you are going to mix Evanescence with Agalloch, neither of which are goth ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: October 16 2006 at 18:20
And I direct you to this thread posted earlier this year.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25563&KW=SoP - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25563&KW=SoP
Evanescence is goth, albeit bad goth, but goth nonetheless.
Your definition of goth seems provincial to the more urbane music fans on PA and eslewhere. You don't have to be like Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, and Danse Society to be goth.
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: October 16 2006 at 18:22
| Hmm...The Verve were sub-categorized as Shoegazer but they're definitely not goth! |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: October 16 2006 at 18:26
Yeah, You are correct.
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 09:07
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you're directing me to a thread you created? that doesn't make anything correct i can say all day in another thread that genesis is jazz but that doesnt make them jazz ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 16:52
your missing the point.
The point is that Agalloch and Joy Division both have goth influences in their music. Whether they are purely goth is questionable. Moreover, since people in the thread suggested bands like Type 0 Negative and Agalloch that further validates my conjecture that these bands are more or less goth.
Who care's if I made the thread, Peter Gabriel, or Peter Hammill made the thread, it has not effect upon the information included within the thread.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: October 17 2006 at 16:54
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DCD + Sheogazer bands=
accurate representation of the development of post rock.
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 12:02
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Joy Division have goth influences in their music? I'd say it the other way around - they were the ones who influenced the early goth bands.
And I only suggested Agalloch because the thread creator was looking for "dark beauty" music, not because I think they are a gothic band, but that was such a long time ago I am surprised I can even recall what was in my head at the time. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 16:35
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Shoegazing Revisited The unfounded, clealry obstuse addition of Led
Zeppelin to Prog Archives has prompted me to
resurrect this thread in an effort to spearhead the
inclusion of a few influential shoegazer bands, most
notably (My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, Ride,
maybe Catherine Wheel)
My Thoughts:
I am pleased with the addition of Slint to ProgArchives.
However, they are closer to math rock than shoegazer music.
Its a step in the right direction.
Surely, these bands drew up the blueprint for
present-day post rock. On Takk..., you can hear
clear MBV influences.
On Mogwai's Happy Songs from Happy People
you can identify Slowdive influences.
Thus, if prog related is the extent to whcih shoegazer bands can appear on PA, so be it.
Thoughts?
Is this an irrational suggestion?
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Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 17:22
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If MBV, Ride, Slowdive make it into Prog Archives, Catherine Wheel would most certainly have to be added as well. I could list ad infinitum the reasons why CW belong.
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