"War Pigs" and "Fairies Wear Boots".....p
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Topic: "War Pigs" and "Fairies Wear Boots".....p
Posted By: coffeeintheface
Subject: "War Pigs" and "Fairies Wear Boots".....p
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 02:47
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I feel like I'm the only person who's brought this up, but the songs
"War Pigs" and "Fairies Wear Boots" off of Black Sabbath's "Paranoid"
seem very progressive to me. "War Pigs" has a couple recurring themes,
no real verse/chorus, a powerful extended outro, and tempo changes
galore. "Fairies Wear Boots" has tons of proggy jamming before it shoots forward into the main verse. There's this one part after the first verse when Iommi plays this palm-muted chord over and over for like 10 seconds before slowing back down back to the main theme from the beginning. I always found that very proggy. Any thoughts on this, anyone? ------------- OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project) nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas) |
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 02:49
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Never listened to it myself but I've heard a lot of people talk about
Black Sabbath's early work being prog-related at the very least. So
you're not alone, although I'm not really in a position to agree or
disagree with you.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 02:51
thoughts.. .yeah... great songs! .. progressive? oh hell yeah... prog? nope. ' Prog/progressive rock' was a movement to bring artistic sensiblity to rock.. the details like tempo changes, structure, and all that were results of that. Not characteristics of what is prog and what is not. My thoughts at least hahah. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
coffeeintheface wrote:Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 03:02
I've listened to those songs many times, and I find nothing really
proggy in them. The jamming is more bluesy to me. I'd say Paranoid is
the least progressive of Black Sabbath's classic 70's albums. 
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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 03:43
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Those two tracks (and that whole album), not really. All of the albums that followed them in the 70's? Slightly. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 04:49
Which tempo changes?  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: tortellino
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 05:12
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To hear Black Sabbath at their most progressive you should check out "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"... In that record plays an uncredited (due to publicing rights) mr. Rick Wakeman!!! My personal favourite song is Spiral Architect, but all are truly great! ------------- tengo 'na minchia tanta |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 07:15
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Oh well... What's the next step? Will we discuss if "I'm Your Captain" (Grand Funk Railroad) is a prog song or not? I'm not a purist, but tempo changes does not make a prog song. There's lots of elements, all of which were discussed here at this Forum before. Correct me if I'm wrong, but although there's not a prog song "recipe", we must have some additional criteria to classify a song as prog, not only the aforementioned tempo changes... IMO, Philéas got it right: Sabbath's jamming is more bluesy than prog. As a conclusion, I'd like to say that I'm a big fan of Black Sabbath (have their entire catalogue plus some bootlegs), and they're not prog - which does not make any difference - they're a great band by all standards. ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 13:17
Both "War Pigs" and "Faires Wear Boots" are Hard Rock songs with Prog elements ... they're not too difficult to play but definitely I can consider them Progressive. Both songs are not 'standard' and do not have a real chorus, and are excellent !! 
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 13:25
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Really jam-band elements rather than prog elements. Not every good band is prog (I am a Sabbath fan by the way). -------------  
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 13:28
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^^
Your name reminded me of the Sabbath song "The Wizard" that has some prog elements surely?
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Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 00:40
slow dirgy intro, then goes into that quick riff with the jazzy hi-hat play. Then near the end when it slows down for that instrumental outro. They're subtle but they're there. ------------- OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project) nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas) |
Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 00:42
That's exactly what I was getting at. I never meant to say I thought they were a prog band by any stretch, but I found those two songs progressive. ------------- OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project) nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas) |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 02:30
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^ if any metal song that doesn't stick to the verse-verse-chorus-etc patterns was prog, then we'd have much more prog metal bands in the archives.
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Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 03:19
good point, but I never said they were progressive. Just these songs. Hey, maybe someone will suggest them to be in here because of Rick Wakeman's guest spot though!  ------------- OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project) nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas) |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 03:24
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They Are Progressive, but they don't fit to any genre on Progarchives. Or Maybe???
Black Sabbath - Jazz Rock/Fusion
Paranoid - Prog related
Master Of Reality - Prog Metal
Vol 4 - Art Rock
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - Symphonic Prog
Sabotage - Prog Metal/Symphonic
Technical Ecstasy - Canterbury?
Never Say Die - Art Rock
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 05:00
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great songs, both of them, but not prog I think
Fairies.. is one of my all time favourites...
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Posted By: Abalaea4
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 05:09
| I think Vol.4 is the most progressive album of all Black Sabbath's works. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 12:44
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i would hardly describe early Sabbath as Prog, but it laid down a blueprint for heavy metal.
interesting fact......the song "Fairies Wear Boots" was inspired by a late-night encounter in Birmingham's Bull Ring between Black Sabbath and a group of skinheads.
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Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 13:11
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Prog moments from Sabbath:
Technical Ecstasy
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath ------------- https://www.instagram.com/erifrog/ |