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Topic: saw Dream Theater saturday night
Posted By: acheron
Subject: saw Dream Theater saturday night
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 18:02
i saw DT for the first time saturday night at the congress theater in chicago... what an experience

first of all tickets were sold out so my buddy and i just went to the show looking for a scalper and we found this jolly middle aged man who sold us 2 tickets for 30$ a piece (which is less than face value) so that was cool

it was standing room only so we were maybe 15 feet away from the band.  the show started with a movie of all the DT album covers and the theme for the first half of the show was the heavy tracks from each album.  the second half of the show was the epic tracks from each album.  one major highlight was the drum solo, where Mike invited his friend charlie Benante (the drummer from anthrax) up to play a duel drum solo.  it was the most incredible thing i have ever seen,  at one point they were both ripping the bass drums and i could feel my internal organs violently vbrating.  then they each started playing recognizable drum beats, Charlie played the drum intro to 'rock and roll' (Led Zeppelin), Mike countered with 'when the levee breaks' (Led Zeppelin) then Mike played some metallica song, then Chris played the drum intro to 'run to the hills' (iron maiden) and then ever John Petrucci started playing along and played the intro riff to 'rn to the hills' long with him, hen mike played another song that i cant remember (with john playing along as well) then Chris played the intro to '6:00' (DT) perfectly (again with john playing along) and finally Mike played the end of "Moby Dick' (Zeppelin) with John doing his best Jimmy Page impression as well.   that was nuts i was floored.

there were a few other suprises scattered throughout songs all through the night ('wish you were here' during 'under peruvian skies' and 'wherever i may roam' (metallica)  during 'take the time')

then the highlight of the show was the intro to 'octavarium', i dont know if any of you have seen the synth that Jordan uses for it but its called the http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/Content/Haken/PR/Continuum.html - continuum fingerboard   buts its a pretty new analog synth technology and it creates the most dynamic incredible sounds, Jordan really stole the show at this point, i cant even describe how it looked/sounded live

i must addmit i wasn't expecting such a good show, i know Labrie has been known to sound pretty weak at times live, but he was right on and got lots of applause after his huge wails, i was also expecting no talking in between songs, but Labrie told a few stories, and talked to the audience a lot which i really like to see during concerts. i also  didnt expect the show to have such energy,  when i  think of DT playing i usually think of 5 highly technical musical machines, but these guys were really loose, and animated on stage (except Petrucci who everytime the camera was on his face he just looked so uncomfortable and awkward, which he should because he looked like a tool with his hair and beard), Muyng was swaying and looking really fluid and relaxed, Jordan was spinning around on his keyboard, Mike was always standing/spitting while playing ( i dont know how he does that), throwing sticks into the audience (once during his drum solo he threw a stick into the air like Neil Peart, but he threw it too far behind him and dropped in and he started laughing), and making funny faces, Labrie was running around and doing a Robert Plant impression. it was great

so basically i'm never missing a DT show in the chicago area




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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 18:23



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Posted By: pogoowner
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 18:24
I went to the show last night in Cleveland and couldn't find any tickets.  I've seen them once before, but it was disappointing.

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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 00:27
Good stuff bro! They are very amazing live- may be the best.

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Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 00:39
Originally posted by acheron acheron wrote:

i saw DT for the first time saturday night at the congress theater in chicago... what an experience

first of all tickets were sold out so my buddy and i just went to the show looking for a scalper and we found this jolly middle aged man who sold us 2 tickets for 30$ a piece (which is less than face value) so that was cool

it was standing room only so we were maybe 15 feet away from the band.  the show started with a movie of all the DT album covers and the theme for the first half of the show was the heavy tracks from each album.  the second half of the show was the epic tracks from each album.  one major highlight was the drum solo, where Mike invited his friend charlie Benante (the drummer from anthrax) up to play a duel drum solo.  it was the most incredible thing i have ever seen,  at one point they were both ripping the bass drums and i could feel my internal organs violently vbrating.  then they each started playing recognizable drum beats, Charlie played the drum intro to 'rock and roll' (Led Zeppelin), Mike countered with 'when the levee breaks' (Led Zeppelin) then Mike played some metallica song, then Chris played the drum intro to 'run to the hills' (iron maiden) and then ever John Petrucci started playing along and played the intro riff to 'rn to the hills' long with him, hen mike played another song that i cant remember (with john playing along as well) then Chris played the intro to '6:00' (DT) perfectly (again with john playing along) and finally Mike played the end of "Moby Dick' (Zeppelin) with John doing his best Jimmy Page impression as well.   that was nuts i was floored.

there were a few other suprises scattered throughout songs all through the night ('wish you were here' during 'under peruvian skies' and 'wherever i may roam' (metallica)  during 'take the time')

then the highlight of the show was the intro to 'octavarium', i dont know if any of you have seen the synth that Jordan uses for it but its called the http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/Content/Haken/PR/Continuum.html - continuum fingerboard   buts its a pretty new analog synth technology and it creates the most dynamic incredible sounds, Jordan really stole the show at this point, i cant even describe how it looked/sounded live

i must addmit i wasn't expecting such a good show, i know Labrie has been known to sound pretty weak at times live, but he was right on and got lots of applause after his huge wails, i was also expecting no talking in between songs, but Labrie told a few stories, and talked to the audience a lot which i really like to see during concerts. i also  didnt expect the show to have such energy,  when i  think of DT playing i usually think of 5 highly technical musical machines, but these guys were really loose, and animated on stage (except Petrucci who everytime the camera was on his face he just looked so uncomfortable and awkward, which he should because he looked like a tool with his hair and beard), Muyng was swaying and looking really fluid and relaxed, Jordan was spinning around on his keyboard, Mike was always standing/spitting while playing ( i dont know how he does that), throwing sticks into the audience (once during his drum solo he threw a stick into the air like Neil Peart, but he threw it too far behind him and dropped in and he started laughing), and making funny faces, Labrie was running around and doing a Robert Plant impression. it was great

so basically i'm never missing a DT show in the chicago area



I saw them the night before you, in Minneapolis on Friday. Awesome awesome show. I was about 25 feet from the stage. I took some vids with my smuggled digital camera, cleverly hidden in my jacket. Unfortunately, I got the idea that it might be safe to hold it up while filming because there was a rotund gentleman in front of me filming with his camera in plain view. So I whipped mine out in the attempt to get some solid footage, when what to my wondering eyes should appear but a mannish usher to take away my cheer.......and my camera. It was confiscated till the end of the show, when to my pleasant surprise I discovered they had deleted my vids. Thanks a lot, morons. I personally don't care what anyone says about taking videos at concerts: it was an attempt to get a token of rememberance for my first REAL concert, but of course bootlegging is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD EVERYONE!!!!

I got over it though. The show was awesome. Jordan's rotating keyboard = nuts. I couldn't believe they played the entire Octavarium song. And LaBrie was in very very tight vocal form, I couldn't believe it. Awesome night. And Portnoy also missed two stick flips during the night, haha. He also tossed one behind the curtain to his right mid-song, then had whoever was back there toss it back to him, still midsong. It was nuts. He is really confident about his stick flipping/twirling.
 

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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 10:04
They are so incredible live, it's almost absurd. I'm seeing them next Wednesday, can't wait! 


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 19:21

 

 



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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 19:23
Relax -- it's just MUSIC, Peter!

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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 19:34
The more, the merrier




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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 19:35

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Relax -- it's just MUSIC, Peter!

LOLWhat? DT make MUSIC now? Who'da thunkit? Confused

AngryUse my sig to expose my hypocrisy, will ya, Manacle? Why you little...



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Radar Love
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 19:41
Wish i was there. Sounds like a great gig


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 19:49

I really wouldn't mind seeing Dream Theater, actually!Smile

 

 

 

(wait for it...)

 

 

 

Having to hear them, however....Pinch

 

Big smile



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Fusioned
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 19:57
Im considering seeing them here in Philadelphia in about a week. Tickets are
expensive though at $41.50 and Im curious to their set list. Did they play
anything like The Glass Prison or Overture 1928? What about Solitary Shell
etc? A set list even if its partial would be great as it would help me
determine whether or not I want to go!

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 20:16
Peter, sometimes I just want to punch you!!






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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 20:43

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Peter, sometimes I just want to punch you!!




Me too, Miracle Gro -- I feel your pain....

Ow! Silly me! 

 

                               

PS: Try rubbing some of this stuff ^ on it!Wink



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:12
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Peter, sometimes I just want to punch you!!




Me too, Miracle Gro -- I feel your pain....


Ow! Silly me! 

 


PS: Try rubbing some of this stuff ^ on it!Wink



It's ok - I don't hate you

By the way, The Miracle comes from DT's Metropolis...


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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:32

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:



It's ok - I don't hate you

By the way, The Miracle comes from DT's Metropolis...

SmileI know you don't, little bud...Wink

 

Stern SmileYou'll likely Gro out of your youthful infatuation with that band, and "look Ma -- blurred hands" over-fast playing....

 

 "Controlled Release?" What's that -- day parole, or a bedside box of tissues?

Glorp! Embarrassed 

("Look Ma -- no stains!")Tongue



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:37
Originally posted by Fusioned Fusioned wrote:

Im considering seeing them here in Philadelphia in about a week. Tickets are
expensive though at $41.50 and Im curious to their set list. Did they play
anything like The Glass Prison or Overture 1928? What about Solitary Shell
etc? A set list even if its partial would be great as it would help me
determine whether or not I want to go!


Whoops!  I should have been monitoring their tour list more carefully.  Now I'm scouring the web for tickets at a reasonable price...where did you see tickets for $41.50?


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:42
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:



It's ok - I don't hate you

By the way, The Miracle comes from DT's Metropolis...

SmileI know you don't, little bud...Wink

 

Stern SmileYou'll likely Gro out of your youthful infatuation with that band, and "look Ma -- blurred hands" over-fast playing....

 

 "Controlled Release?" What's that -- day parole, or a bedside box of tissues?

Glorp! Embarrassed 

("Look Ma -- no stains!")Tongue



Whatever you say, oh wise one
 

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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:50
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Fusioned Fusioned wrote:

Im considering seeing them here in Philadelphia in about a week. Tickets are
expensive though at $41.50 and Im curious to their set list. Did they play
anything like The Glass Prison or Overture 1928? What about Solitary Shell
etc? A set list even if its partial would be great as it would help me
determine whether or not I want to go!


Whoops!  I should have been monitoring their tour list more carefully.  Now I'm scouring the web for tickets at a reasonable price...where did you see tickets for $41.50?


Mine were even more expensive than that... thanks to Ticketmaster's "Convenience charge".



... but that's a topic for another thread...

P.S. - Peter, you are a silly person.


Bless you! We forgive you for not liking Dream Theater!


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:55

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:


Whatever you say, oh wise one
 

ShockedReally?

Hmmmm....Ermm

!

 

Sign this, please:

Big Fish - Ewan McGregor Blank Cheque Display - Cheque Detail

                 ( ^ That's his real name.)

 

 

 

Uh oh! Peter is in control of Miracle's brain -- oh, the horror!Shocked



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:05
Whose real name?

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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:18

the Dream Theater bashing has to be everywhere huh?

if you don't have any nice things to say then don't say them!



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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:19
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

the Dream Theater bashing has to be everywhere huh?

if you don't have any nice things to say then don't say them!



Yeah Peter, seriously....
 

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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:22
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

the Dream Theater bashing has to be everywhere huh?

if you don't have any nice things to say then don't say them!



Yeah Peter, seriously....
 

I AM serious- no "" needed



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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:29

I'm seeing them at the arpil first concert!!! WOOOOHOOOO

Filmed for a DVD and a magicaly special night to close their 20th anniversery tour



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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:33
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

I'm seeing them at the arpil first concert!!! WOOOOHOOOO

Filmed for a DVD and a magicaly special night to close their 20th anniversery tour

April 1st? Watch for a trick!



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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:34
Peter's crazier than Jon Andersons lyrics  

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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:35
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

the Dream Theater bashing has to be everywhere huh?

if you don't have any nice things to say then don't say them!

'Tis just an ongoing joke of mine (as should be apparent) -- lighten up, for PETE's sake!Stern Smile

Heck, in all seriousness, I'd even go to see DT.Big smile

 

 

ErmmOf course, considering the isolated cultural backwater where I live, I'd probably go to see road work being done....

  Dig dat crazy beat! Yeah!Wacko

 



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:37
^ok ok ok. They are amazing live- you need to see them- AND hear them

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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:52

Confused ^

 Can't I just borrow one of yer DVDs, Drewl?

 

 

'Twould be a looooong drive....

 Setting out...

Are we there yet?



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: sideways
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 00:16

Good to hear the Chicago show was good, heard the dual drum solo with CB was awesome!

 

Too bad some folks have to try to bring folks down.......like grandpa said.."If ya aint got nuttin good to say"...well you know the rest



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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 00:21
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Confused ^

 Can't I just borrow one of yer DVDs, Drewl?

 

 

'Twould be a looooong drive....

 Setting out...

Are we there yet?

um ok



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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 00:22
Which DVD to you want Petie? I've got them all

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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 00:27
Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Good to hear the Chicago show was good, heard the dual drum solo with CB was awesome!

 

Too bad some folks have to try to bring folks down.......like grandpa said.."If ya aint got nuttin good to say"...well you know the rest

Oh for f**k's sake! Do ANY of you DT fans have a sense of humour?Confused

I don't really hate them -- I just don't care for much metal, especially the modern stuff, and I like to joke around!Unhappy

(& why quote my post, funny pics and all, just to say "um ok?") Confused

Enjoy them! Glad you all liked their shows! Rock on! They're talented musicians -- very good at what they do! I'd go see them if I could (as I already said)!

 

Seriously!Stern Smile

 

 

(see my sig) V



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: sideways
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 01:34
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Good to hear the Chicago show was good, heard the dual drum solo with CB was awesome!

 

Too bad some folks have to try to bring folks down.......like grandpa said.."If ya aint got nuttin good to say"...well you know the rest

Oh for f**k's sake! Do ANY of you DT fans have a sense of humour?

 

Got a great sense of humor there Petey.... gets old after awhile though



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 02:17
Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Good to hear the Chicago show was good, heard the dual drum solo with CB was awesome!

 

Too bad some folks have to try to bring folks down.......like grandpa said.."If ya aint got nuttin good to say"...well you know the rest

Oh for f**k's sake! Do ANY of you DT fans have a sense of humour?

 

Got a great sense of humor there Petey.... gets old after awhile though

Whatever.LOL

Hmmm... a mere nine months and eighty-three posts, but jaded already, hey?Disapprove

Must be a big metal fan -- too much (ie, any) of that nasty, negative stuff makes many folks very serious, bitter and touchy, it seems.Wink

PS: "Petey" is old!Unhappy

creak creak....



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 02:31

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Which DVD to you want Petie? I've got them all

Do they have an "unplugged" one? Wink

 

 Seriously, I would like to see one -- but I wouldn't buy one, as metal is really "not my bag, man" and the ol' music budget is decidedly limited.Ouch

 

Smile Peace, headbangers! Ying Yang



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: sideways
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 02:34
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Good to hear the Chicago show was good, heard the dual drum solo with CB was awesome!

 

Too bad some folks have to try to bring folks down.......like grandpa said.."If ya aint got nuttin good to say"...well you know the rest

Oh for f**k's sake! Do ANY of you DT fans have a sense of humour?

 

Got a great sense of humor there Petey.... gets old after awhile though

Whatever.LOL

Hmmm... a mere nine months and eighty-three posts, but jaded already, hey?Disapprove

Must be a big metal fan -- too much (ie, any) of that nasty, negative stuff makes many folks very serious, bitter and touchy, it seems.Wink

PS: "Petey" is old!Unhappy

creak creak....

And 4k posts makes you witty and clever I gather? Is intelligence or worth determined by your post count on this site?  Jaded...no, just amazed at all the DT bitterness here.  Also I'm actually more of a 60's and 70's hard rock fan

PSS: "Sideways" is Old too



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:06
Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by sideways sideways wrote:

Good to hear the Chicago show was good, heard the dual drum solo with CB was awesome!

 

Too bad some folks have to try to bring folks down.......like grandpa said.."If ya aint got nuttin good to say"...well you know the rest

Oh for f**k's sake! Do ANY of you DT fans have a sense of humour?

 

Got a great sense of humor there Petey.... gets old after awhile though

Whatever.LOL

Hmmm... a mere nine months and eighty-three posts, but jaded already, hey?Disapprove

Must be a big metal fan -- too much (ie, any) of that nasty, negative stuff makes many folks very serious, bitter and touchy, it seems.Wink

PS: "Petey" is old!Unhappy

creak creak....

And 4k posts makes you witty and clever I gather? Is intelligence or worth determined by your post count on this site?  Jaded...no, just amazed at all the DT bitterness here.  Also I'm actually more of a 60's and 70's hard rock fan

PSS: "Sideways" is Old too

No -- hopefully I was (sometimes) that before I came here.Embarrassed

Some sure seem to think so -- see The Velvet Room....Wink

Again, I'm NOT really a DT hater -- they're just a favourite "target" of mine, as so many seem to take them so seriously. I actually kind of LIKED the first song I heard by them ("As I Am.")

Re the "DT bitterness," I think DT are simply the most successful and visible example of a musical form than many old-time prog fans (like myself) just do not consider to be "prog." They do come in for a lot of flak, admittedly, but then prog metal in general does too. That may be regrettable and divisive, but perhaps we ultimately need two separate (but linked) forums (metal and classic/classic inspired prog) here.Ermm

Modern metal (and a vocal cynical, less-than-articulate or sensitive minority of its younger fans) tend to irritate me -- but much less than rapDead does!

 

Sorry if my (attempted) humour and teasing offended you, or others!Unhappy

(I do that, from time to time -- offend and apologize....)Embarrassed

 

Peace -- as someone since departed used to say!

Hug



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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:39
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Re the "DT bitterness," I think DT are simply the most successful and visible example of a musical form than many old-time prog fans (like myself) just do not consider to be "prog." They do come in for a lot of flak, admittedly, but then prog metal in general does too. That may be regrettable and divisive, but perhaps we ultimately need two separate (but linked) forums (metal and classic/classic inspired prog) here.


Dream Theater are just the current whippin' boy... those of us old enough to remember the ELP Wars of early 2004, and the frequent insurgent raids upon Radiohead fans in early 2005 (not to mention the weapons of mass destruction employed upon Queen fans a few months later) frequently harken back to those days with band related sideswipes to keep all the new forum members on their toes - this in itself is a bitter jealous act, due to the fact our Zimmer frames do not allow the use of our own toes...

I personally am a fairly major fan of DT up to and including 6DOIT, seen them a couple of times in London and enjoyed both shows. However, my early '70s prog loving self calls for one or two changes:

1 - bring back Derek Sherinian
2 - send LaBrie to vocal school

Ahem - back on thread... good review, by the way ; nice to know they're getting back into occasional glimpses of Floyd during 'Peruvian Skies' (The live version of this was the first DT I heard a few years back).

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 04:39

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

2 - send LaBrie to vocal school

He's a fairly good singer, but often he sings too much in the high registers. "Awake" is the album where he does that in a very extreme way, and sadly - while it may work in the studio with many takes and lots of tweaking - he simply fails to reproduce that on stage. So my best advice to him (and those who write his melody lines): less (lower) is more (better)!



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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:29
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Re the "DT bitterness," I think DT are simply the most successful and visible example of a musical form than many old-time prog fans (like myself) just do not consider to be "prog." They do come in for a lot of flak, admittedly, but then prog metal in general does too. That may be regrettable and divisive, but perhaps we ultimately need two separate (but linked) forums (metal and classic/classic inspired prog) here.


Dream Theater are just the current whippin' boy... those of us old enough to remember the ELP Wars of early 2004, and the frequent insurgent raids upon Radiohead fans in early 2005 (not to mention the weapons of mass destruction employed upon Queen fans a few months later) frequently harken back to those days with band related sideswipes to keep all the new forum members on their toes - this in itself is a bitter jealous act, due to the fact our Zimmer frames do not allow the use of our own toes...

I personally am a fairly major fan of DT up to and including 6DOIT, seen them a couple of times in London and enjoyed both shows. However, my early '70s prog loving self calls for one or two changes:

1 - bring back Derek Sherinian For the love of God NOOOOOOOO!
2 - send LaBrie to vocal school In recent years LaBrie has been working with an opera singer/trainer and so his vocals are better than say 5 years ago, they certanly were o the lat DVD and I'm told hes even better now.

Ahem - back on thread... good review, by the way ; nice to know they're getting back into occasional glimpses of Floyd during 'Peruvian Skies' (The live version of this was the first DT I heard a few years back).


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 07:51
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

2 - send LaBrie to vocal school


He's a fairly good singer, but often he sings too much in the high registers. "Awake" is the album where he does that in a very extreme way, and sadly - while it may work in the studio with many takes and lots of tweaking - he simply fails to reproduce that on stage. So my best advice to him (and those who write his melody lines): less (lower) is more (better)!



My point exactly

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:09
^ BTW: I really liked his perfomance on the latest Ayreon album (The Human Equation). Arjen really chose his optimum vocal range IMO.

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Posted By: sideways
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:48

 

 

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No -- hopefully I was (sometimes) that before I came here.Embarrassed

Some sure seem to think so -- see The Velvet Room....Wink

Again, I'm NOT really a DT hater -- they're just a favourite "target" of mine, as so many seem to take them so seriously. I actually kind of LIKED the first song I heard by them ("As I Am.")

Re the "DT bitterness," I think DT are simply the most successful and visible example of a musical form than many old-time prog fans (like myself) just do not consider to be "prog." They do come in for a lot of flak, admittedly, but then prog metal in general does too. That may be regrettable and divisive, but perhaps we ultimately need two separate (but linked) forums (metal and classic/classic inspired prog) here.Ermm

Modern metal (and a vocal cynical, less-than-articulate or sensitive minority of its younger fans) tend to irritate me -- but much less than rapDead does!

 

Sorry if my (attempted) humour and teasing offended you, or others!Unhappy

(I do that, from time to time -- offend and apologize....)Embarrassed

 

Peace -- as someone since departed used to say!

Hug

 

I hear ya Pete.  I wasn't meaning to spar with you.  Everyone has their opinions and passions for thier favorite artists.  One funny thing, I have always described DT to folks as Prog Hard Rock,  I hate the whole labeling thing, but I can see some folks perceiving them as Prog metal.  I guess it's all pesonal perception regardless how "WE" lable them. I am curious though why you don't consider them progressive, because by my definition, they are more Progressive than quite a few MAJOR bands labled here.  Again...personal perception and I'm not looking to piss anyone off talking bad about thier premier artists.

Jim, I hear what your saying about the Floyd covers.  I know many folks scratch thier head over the cover/tribute thing.  I was lucky enough to see them in LA 2 weeks ago when they covered Sheep in it's entirety, it was astounding!!  I really believe with DT, they are attempting to pay hommage to the greats past, and not just throwing tunes out there.

Mike and Jim I agree with quite a bit you have to say regarding James Labrie.  Quite frankly he has always been my least favorite of the ensemble.  He is, of all the musicians in the band, the most "metal" to me.  Although in the past 5-6 years he has caused me to re-evaluate my opinion.  Taking pride in his craft is one thing,as Sleeper pointed out, but comparitively to other vocalists at his age and point in his career he's a step above.  How many of our 70's and 80's favorites have gotten better with age vocally?  It is definatly an oddity.  Have to give him credit for that, regardless if he seems lacking comparatively to the rest of the band.

 



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:12

^ as Mike Portnoy said: "There are better singers than James, singers that I would prefer ... but he is THE singer for Dream Theater." (not an exact quotation)

I'll try to find a link for the entire interview ...



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:06
Originally posted by <FONT color=#ff0000>sideways</FONT> sideways wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Again, I'm NOT really a DT hater -- they're just a favourite "target" of mine, as so many seem to take them so seriously. I actually kind of LIKED the first song I heard by them ("As I Am.")

Re the "DT bitterness," I think DT are simply the most successful and visible example of a musical form than many old-time prog fans (like myself) just do not consider to be "prog." They do come in for a lot of flak, admittedly, but then prog metal in general does too.

I hear ya Pete.  I wasn't meaning to spar with you.  Everyone has their opinions and passions for thier favorite artists.  One funny thing, I have always described DT to folks as Prog Hard Rock,  I hate the whole labeling thing, but I can see some folks perceiving them as Prog metal.  I guess it's all pesonal perception regardless how "WE" lable them. I am curious though why you don't consider them progressive, because by my definition, they are more Progressive than quite a few MAJOR bands labled here.  Again...personal perception and I'm not looking to piss anyone off talking bad about thier premier artists.

 

It's not that I don't consider DT (small p) "progressive," Sideways, but that I don't consider DT and metal as (capitals P & R) "Progressive Rock." Ermm

That term, for me, indicates a sound, spirit and an era typified by the classic "founding fathers" of prog: early-mid 70s Genesis, Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant, etc.

Many, especially the younger/non-native English speaking set, seem to adhere closer to a dictionary interpretation of the word to indicate artists who are somehow "progressing" in their sound, or doing something notably "different" from the bulk of their peers. For an artist to be "progressive," for them, they need not sound anything at all like the classic prog bands -- see Radiohead, metal, etc.

As I've suggested many times here, I really think the term "progressive," as a means to categorize music, has outlived its usefulness. Always vague in meaning, it is now made to retroactively refer to older bands which were not generally regarded as "progressive rock" (or "prog") "back then," rock that imitates classic prog ("neo prog" -- IQ, etc), but fails to progress, and a host of other forms (metal with keyboards, folk with electric instruments, world music, etc) that bear very little in common with classic prog, or even each other. I do not like the term (because it is outdated and vague/subjective), but still use it -- for want of a better) to refer to that 'weird"/"difficult"/"complicated" 70s stuff, and the new, derivitive music that hearkens back to that sound.

As I've posited elsewhere, it means something subtly -- or even radically -- different for each of us, and therein lies the problem, and the reason why a 45 year old Genesis fan is dismayed to find himself sharing "his" site with an increasing number of fifteen year old "death" metal fans. Yes, there can be (and often is) common ground and "cross-fertilization" in ideas and attitudes (musical & otherwise), but also, in my experience, there is too often rancour, resentment and fundamentally different outlooks & modes of communication along generational & musical lines. (That said, I genuinely believe the two major fan bases have come a long way in their short time together here in building mutual respect and/or appreciation for each other, and their respective preferred musics. The "gap" in perceived or actual differences seems to be narrowing, and while I personally am very unlikely to ever become a fan of music that irritates and alienates me (or -- shudder -- death growls), that coming together can only be good on many levels, in the long run.

Still, I don't like the "P" word. Always rather amorphous, it is now being made to describe too many dissimilar things, and is simply inadequate for the purpose it is being forced to serve here. (As with perhaps most artists, I don't like the categorization/rationalization/quantification/qualification of art in general. Art is not math, science or sport, and our mere words do not contain it, or capture its essence. It is a spiritual/instinctive/individual thing -- not a "measurable" intellectual thing.

There -- my long-considered (& oft-repeated) sincere response!Smile



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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:47
I really hate to extend this part of the thread, but...

I appreciate your comments above and certainly have no problem with you not being a fan of Dream Theater or of "prog metal".  There are many who are not.  You also have your own opinion about the term "progressive" and its application.  Always an interesting debate.  Fine.

So given that you're not a fan, the title of this thread is "saw Dream Theater saturday night" - obviously about a Dream Theater concert, where a member posted a review of it, and fans of the band can talk about their concert experiences, or talk about upcoming shows that they will attend.  My question is, why post in this thread?  Just to "stir up the pot", as it were?  I don't know what bands you enjoy, but let's assume Genesis.  I personally can't stand Genesis.  Thus, when I see threads of the nature, "Best Genesis lineup" or some such, I avoid them as I have nothing useful to contribute.  So while I agree that no one should take things too seriously or personally, can you see why some people would be a little aggravated that in a thread where they could be discussing the band and music, they instead end up participating in the back and forth that has now dominated this thread.  Wouldn't you be a little peeved if I posted negative things about Genesis (or whoever) in one of those other threads?

Don't take offense at all this, all is well because I know you're not malicious.  Just throwing in my 2 cents.



Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:03
He's not malicious, he just has a running joke about his thoughts on Prog Metal. And a goofy sense of humor. I think everybody needs to lighten up a touch around here...


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:16

^ SmileNo offense taken, NS.

I usually do let such threads (about bands/topics I'm not interested in) be, but I was simply in a whimsical mood, and saw a chance to engage in a little humour and good-natured teasing, at the expense of a favoured target of mine. Call me silly, but no malice was intended.

It was meant to be all in good fun, but offense was taken, and things carried on from there.

The principle parties and I have since exchanged PMs, and peace has now been restored. Understanding of our respective positions/responses has been deepened, and a friendship or two may even result.Thumbs Up

I'm often silly/irreverent (the Stynx fans have yet to come for my head, or the Pallas fans Mr. Garten's), but hell, I live thousands of miles from my "real" friends, and have to amuse myself in some fashion....

So 'twas all in jest, but when I unintentionally offend, I apologise (both publicly and privately). No big deal. I'm a silly old sod, and unlikely to change, as longterm members will know (some, no doubt, to their chagrin).

Life can be serious. I try not to be (at least here, among "friends"), for too long.Smile

(My use of this: indicates a joke, of course -- a post not to be taken to heart.)

 

 

(I thought my original post/pic was funny, anyway.)Embarrassed



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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:29
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

(My use of this: indicates a joke, of course -- a post not to be taken to heart.)

 


Well that's a relief! I thought you were flirting with all of us!



Posted By: Ridge
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:24

Thanks Pete for the humor and the seriousness really enjoyed both!

Being a big DT fan I was in no way offended.

Keep'em coming Pete!



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Posted By: Progfans
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:34
I will se them in montreal tomorow
That s will be amazing


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:43
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

^ SmileNo offense taken, NS.

I usually do let such threads (about bands/topics I'm not interested in) be, but I was simply in a whimsical mood, and saw a chance to engage in a little humour and good-natured teasing, at the expense of a favoured target of mine. Call me silly, but no malice was intended.

It was meant to be all in good fun, but offense was taken, and things carried on from there.

The principle parties and I have since exchanged PMs, and peace has now been restored. Understanding of our respective positions/responses has been deepened, and a friendship or two may even result.Thumbs Up

I'm often silly/irreverent (the Stynx fans have yet to come for my head, or the Pallas fans Mr. Garten's), but hell, I live thousands of miles from my "real" friends, and have to amuse myself in some fashion....

So 'twas all in jest, but when I unintentionally offend, I apologise (both publicly and privately). No big deal. I'm a silly old sod, and unlikely to change, as longterm members will know (some, no doubt, to their chagrin).

Life can be serious. I try not to be (at least here, among "friends"), for too long.Smile

(My use of this: indicates a joke, of course -- a post not to be taken to heart.)

 

 

(I thought my original post/pic was funny, anyway.)Embarrassed



Oh no doubt, I was laughing at the various pictures you had going on.  I'm still fairly new here and trying to learn how to operate.  We do all need a little humor! 

Now send me your address so I can ship you the "Train of Thought" CD...


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 22:27
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

I'm often silly/irreverent (the Stynx fans have yet to come for my head, or the Pallas fans Mr. Garten's), but hell, I live thousands of miles from my "real" friends, and have to amuse myself in some fashion....

Yeah... Jim really shows the Pallas fans that he loves their debut album.



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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 13:48
just scored two tickets to the show in Philly March 28th!! 


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:12
I`m goig to see them tonight with the kid next door who is still going through his metal stage. Saw them last year at the same venue ( Metropolis, Montreal ) and they kicked ass. Hope to see a different show this time around. That was the greatness of seeing Crimson so many times since the 1980 reincarnation, always a different show. Another point to make after scanning this thread seeing a band live is a totally different experience. There are some bands I have gone to see live which I never listen to on record. The whole point is to drink some beer and get into the ambience which is not present on a recording.

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Posted By: Fusioned
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:36
Holy sh*t. Any one of you idiots in the flame wars want to actually take the
time to talk about this thread? How about answering if it's worth $41.50 +
ticketmaster charge to go see DT live?

I'm not a fan of all their stuff but I really enjoy the stuff I do listen to, like
Solitary shell, Glass prison, Overture 1928, Strange Deja Vu, and some other
stuff. Im more a fan of the neat hard stuff/stuff that sounds like a Super
Nintendo Video Game. Which is prob. why I like more LTE more than DT. Is
Petrucci sick live? How about some answers???

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Posted By: Roadie
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 16:42
Originally posted by Fusioned Fusioned wrote:

Im considering seeing them here in Philadelphia in about a week. Tickets are
expensive though at $41.50 and Im curious to their set list. Did they play
anything like The Glass Prison or Overture 1928? What about Solitary Shell
etc? A set list even if its partial would be great as it would help me
determine whether or not I want to go!


This was my first Dream Theater show, and I must say, it was incredible. As for Petrucci....he was FLAWLESS live! Since nobody replied to your setlist question...

The Root Of All Evil
Another Won
Afterlife
Take The Time
Innocence Faded
Raise The Knife
Home
Drum Duet with Charlie Benante (from Anthrax)

intermission

War Inside My head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Endless Sacrifice
I Walk Beside You
Octavarium

Encore:
Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live




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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 19:22
OK.  I don't know if this is appropriate for the forums, but I didn't see anything banning it in the various FAQs.  Admins, feel free to let me know if this shouldn't be happening.

As mentioned above, I have two tickets to the DT show in Philly on March 28th (Tuesday).  I had a couple friends in mind to grab the extra ticket but they can't make it, and I don't really know anyone else who would want to go (or who would enjoy it).

If anyone in the area would like to go, I'd like to get $30 for the ticket - it's what I paid.  Please PM me if you're interested, first come first serve. 


Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 19:40
If I only lived in Philly 

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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:23
Am I the only one here that actually likes it when James Labrie sings high or at all in general??!?!?!?!?!?!?! . I say the higher the better. And to anyone who says he's not that good on stage- go to a concert, see for yourself/ get the DVD coming out in a while. I'm seeing them in Boston on the 30th and I can't wait. 


Posted By: sideways
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:46

Originally posted by Fusioned Fusioned wrote:

Holy sh*t. Any one of you idiots in the flame wars want to actually take the
time to talk about this thread? How about answering if it's worth $41.50 +
ticketmaster charge to go see DT live?

I'm not a fan of all their stuff but I really enjoy the stuff I do listen to, like
Solitary shell, Glass prison, Overture 1928, Strange Deja Vu, and some other
stuff. Im more a fan of the neat hard stuff/stuff that sounds like a Super
Nintendo Video Game. Which is prob. why I like more LTE more than DT. Is
Petrucci sick live? How about some answers???

 

Yeah...look 3 threads down, there are 2 reviews of 3 shows



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 11:11

Originally posted by Fusioned Fusioned wrote:

Holy sh*t. Any one of you idiots in the flame wars want to actually take the
time to talk about this thread? 

No.Stern Smile

How Sweet to be an Idiot

(Neil Innes) 


How sweet to be an Idiot
As harmless as a cloud
Too small to hide the sun
Almost poking fun
At the warm but insecure untidy crowd.

How sweet to be an idiot
And dip my brain in joy
Children laughing at my back
With no fear of attack
As much retaliation as a toy
How sweet to be an idiot.
How sweet...

I tiptoe down the street
Smile at everyone I meet.

But suddenly a scream
Smashes through my dream
Fee fi fo fum
I smell the blood of an asylum
Hey you, you're such a pedant
You got as much brain as a dead ant
As much inagination as a caravan site!

But I still love you, still love you, oooh
How swee-ee-eet to be an idiot
How sweet
How sweeeeet
How sweeeeeeeet......




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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 16:36
Anyone going to the gig tonight
Fri Mar 24, 2006  Quebec City, QUE  Le Colisee

Keep a look out for mailto:M@x - M@x our webmaster who will be attending.

He told me to tell you that anyone writing anti-Dream Theatre posts will be ejected.

Or something like that...damn Quebecois is so difficult to understand...

 

 



Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 16:47
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Anyone going to the gig tonight
Fri Mar 24, 2006  Quebec City, QUE  Le Colisee

Keep a look out for mailto:M@x - M@x our webmaster who will be attending.

He told me to tell you that anyone writing anti-Dream Theatre posts will be ejected.

Or something like that...damn Quebecois is so difficult to understand...

 

 

sounds perfectly reasonable to me



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 19:24
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Anyone going to the gig tonight
Fri Mar 24, 2006  Quebec City, QUE  Le Colisee

Keep a look out for mailto:M@x - M@x our webmaster who will be attending.

He told me to tell you that anyone writing anti-Dream Theatre posts will be ejected.

ErmmHmmm....

Then I can still make fun of Dream Theater, I take it? Tongue

 

Mwa ha ha haaaaaaaaaa!Evil Smile

 

Big smile Dream Theater suk sh*te from dead donkeys' arses! They couldn't play their way out of a wet paper bag!Stern Smile

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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 20:01
And I suppose you listen only to Magma and Frank Zappa, then Peeter?

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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 20:02

you knows its almost unreal how freakin godly they are

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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 20:13

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

And I suppose you listen only to Magma and Frank Zappa, then Peeter?

Only Smagma, actually!Geek

 

SmileJust kidding, natch -- I know the DT guys are very good with their instruments.

 

 

Now, if they'd only play some music on them.....Ermm



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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 27 2006 at 20:49
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

OK.  I don't know if this is appropriate for the forums, but I didn't see anything banning it in the various FAQs.  Admins, feel free to let me know if this shouldn't be happening.

As mentioned above, I have two tickets to the DT show in Philly on March 28th (Tuesday).  I had a couple friends in mind to grab the extra ticket but they can't make it, and I don't really know anyone else who would want to go (or who would enjoy it).

If anyone in the area would like to go, I'd like to get $30 for the ticket - it's what I paid.  Please PM me if you're interested, first come first serve. 


Wanted to bump this up, the ticket is still available, all you DT philly peeps!



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