Zep vs Black Sabbath vs Jimi
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Topic: Zep vs Black Sabbath vs Jimi
Posted By: marktheshark
Subject: Zep vs Black Sabbath vs Jimi
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 00:49
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I'm not going to use the term "heavy metal", with all due respects to Steppenwolf the term wasn't really used as a genre label 'til later in the 70's. And besides, Jimmy Page never liked that label and never considered Zep heavy metal.
All 3 artists however are considered the catalysts of hard rock. You might remember VH-1 did that list a few years ago of the 100 greatest hard rock/metal artists in R&R and these were the top 3 with Zep 1, BS 2 and Jimi 3. Yes and King Crimson were on that list way down the line though. Who do you think was most influential? Tough choice. |
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 01:25
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From my personal point of view no one trumps Zeppelin.They are the best band that ever was,is or will be. As far as influence on hard rock and metal I think Zeppelin and Sabbath both had a huge influence on that music. -------------  |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 03:38
| The most influential bands was Led Zeppelin, but this doe not mean, that they are my favourites. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 04:49
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Meh... Couldn't decide. Voted Hendrix, can't stand the guy though. |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 07:02
| ZEP !! |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 07:33
| I voted for BLACK SABBATH, one of the most influential bands along with LED. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 19:19
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Black sabbath was the most influential, they still sounds heavy. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 19:24
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Led Zeppelin were influential and not only in the hard rock departement. Long live Led Zeppelin!  -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 23:40
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Sabbath. Without Sab, rock wouldn't nearly be what it is today. they invented heavy music. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: marktheshark
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 00:48
You don't think Jimi planted the seed there? |
GoldenSpiral wrote:Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 01:17
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Hendrix - because he influenced all the 70s rock bands, including Sabbath and Zeppelin. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 01:34
| ^ That's a very good point. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 08:14
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I agree that Sabbath was influential on heavy music,but they didn't "invent" it. Releases by Blue Cheer,Iron Butterfly and The Stooges came before Sabbath's debut. ------------- |
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 11:19
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Black Sabbath
I don't know why but i have never been too keen on Hendrix! Could never get into his music  ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 12:46
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zep.
------------- http://www.soundclick.com/rosescar/ - My music! "THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 15:10
sure, the seeds were planted before they came along... other bands had heavy songs, but no one had done whole albums of relentless heavy riffs and dark occult imagery before. no one had really thought to make a business of being heavy. It is just my position that sabbath was the most important. Also, the later ozzy-era albums, while they seem less popular, were quite experimental and crucial to the development of prog rock and prog metal. This is not to say that Hendrix or Zep were not influential because they clearly were, but they did not single-handedly create a whole genre of music the way Black Sabbath did (OK... slight exaggeration there, but the point is made ). then again, my point of view is skewed because I wasn't there at the time, but this is how i understand it.------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: marktheshark
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 17:53
Well, the way I look at it is that sometimes it takes just one song to usher in a new sound as opposed to a whole album. I was there in '67 when Purple Haze first hit the airwaves. Even though I was only 10, I did have a pretty sophisticated taste in music. Just starting into drums I was listening to a lot of jazz and my favorite R&R artists were the Beatles, Cream and the Stones. I didn't go for the 2nd raters like the Monkees, Herman's Hermits or Dave Clark 5 that a lot of kids my age were into. I always went for the heavy hitters. It was funny, whenever my parents had a party their slightly younger friends would be going through my record collection saying "Oh great, I haven't heard this one yet. Let's play it!" But when I first heard Purple Haze around the same time Sgt Pepper came out, I knew there was something different coming with this! It was the most heaviest and hard driving sound I ever heard. Even Pete Townsend later said that he thought Jimi changed the sound of R&R even more so than the Beatles did in some ways. Granted, not everything Jimi did was all that heavy due to his experimentation with jazz and blues. Voodoo Child (Slight Return) on Electric Ladyland was I think his most metal song. Jimi may not have been consistantly hard rock and metal, but I think he was the swift kick in the ass that got the ball rolling. Zep and BS just took it from there IMO. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 18:06
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Zeppelin. Sabbath are ok, but I never liked them much, and Hendrix never grabbed me at all. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 16:23
I'd also say Spanish Castle Magic is kinda metal... just as metal as Immigrant Song IMO. |
Posted By: Karn Evil 9
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 20:26
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I never thought much of Zeppelin. It all seemed so average. I dont see why so many people think that Page was such a great guitarist. Hendrix and Iommi were both 20 times better than Page. I think somehwere along the line, Led Zeppelin took the credit that Deep Purple deserves. But I have to say that as much as I cant stand Ozzy, Sabbath was extremely influential and i have a great deal of respect for them. Hendrix, I dont even have to say anything about him. Its all been said before and will be said again.
------------- Watch out where the huskies go,dont you eat that yellow snow |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 20:36
Here I thought I was one of the only people aware that Blue Cheer exists. I had to give it to Hendrix, because he did indeed greatly influence Zeppelin and Sabbath, but I love all three of these artists. ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 20:52
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The heavy sound we all equate with hard rock is down to Black Sabbath. The demonic riffs and dark subject matter set the blueprint for all hard rock and "metal" bands to follow. Zeppelin were excelent in the beginning but gradually turned more to pop (see Dyer Myker) or however it's spelt. Sabbath maintained their heavy, bass laden music right up to the end. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 21:53
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Hendrix is the most influencial but zeppelin is my favorite. ------------- true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants. 
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Posted By: Kord
Date Posted: June 17 2006 at 04:21
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LED ------------- [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Genesis_Group.jpg" border"> |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 08:36
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All three were quite diffrent, and i love them all. So i can't vote |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 08:42
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as this is not a "favourites" poll i have to be onest and vote hendrix as the most influentia for hard-rock. purple, sabbath, judas, etc. were possible without zeppelin, but neither of these were possible without hendrix. also, sabbath were highly influential, but in metal rather then hardrock. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 10:46
| Sabbath |
Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 14:39
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Tough choice between Hendrix and Zeppelin, but I went with Led Zeppelin ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 17:50
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Zeppein without a doubt. Jimi Hendrix is terribly overrated. His guitar tone was terrible, and he was much more of a showman than a musician. -------------  
"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 18:13
| Whoops, I mistook the poll for who is your favorite, not who is most influential, so I voted for Jimi Hendrix. I don't him that much, but I do like Mitch Mitchell. As for most influential, Led Zeppelin is definitely the most influential hard rock band. |
Posted By: ThirdEye
Date Posted: October 25 2006 at 06:11
I voted for Led Zeppelin, because Black Sabbath are a huge influence, not only in hard rock (so are Led Zeppelin of course) but also in doom, black, heavy metal etc etc.. They are two of the best bands (with Pink Floyd, Tool, etc !) that were EVER created in the world of music...! 
So, if I could vote both of them, it would really be great
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 25 2006 at 18:02
| Led Zeppelin |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 25 2006 at 18:09
| It's a good choice because, chronologically, the hard rock influence was (among others before and after) Hendrix-Zep-Sabbath. I love Zep but the most influential by *today's* standard of hard rock is still Ozzy and the boys after 30 years. Black Sabbath. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 05:18
Jimi Hendrix is not terribly overrated. How was he much more of a showman than a musician? He came up with all those amazing songs without knowing anything about music. His guitar tone wasn't terrible either it was different from anybody else at the time.
But I agree with the Led Zeppelin statement. They influenced Rush, which is my favorite band.
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 19:48
| Yeah, Led Zeppelin influenced Rush in their first album and I'm Going Bald, but there's zero Led Zeppelin in Rush's good stuff. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 07:07
But Led Zeppelin helped them get on their way.
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:12
| But we all agree they would have sucked if they kept of the Led Zeppelin influences, right? |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 06:34
| Yeah, if they kept the Led Zep sound they would not have turned into Rush. |