Thanks Tony it was the healthiest thing to do, I was terribly worried for Erlenst whio was insulted by Prog O Matic and called and a$$ licker by a troll with no arguments.
Syzgy, i don't believe I over reacted in my first post.
This place is as an Oasis for me after work, I'm tired of listening our foreign clients and TV news programs talking about the rest of the world, especially Latin America s if we don't exist or don't matter at all.
But in Prog Archives I always found people (except one or two troglodites) who are very well prepared and care for the history and what happens in the rest of the world.
I love USA, I even studied a couple of years in Birmingham Alabama, I had a discussion (very friendly) with Trotsky becausae I'm closer to free market than to socialist economies, but I hate people who belive we're some kind of second class humans from "Little Places"
I just pointed that the rest of the world didn't lived a paradise in the 70's, not either USA, Nixon was reelected with protests of 50% of the USA citizens, the Watergate scandal weakened the Presidential image. The oil crisis affected USA and there was a limitation of fuel if I'm not wrong.
The Sharon Tate crime was only the tip of the iceberg in the Charles Manson case even before the 70's officialy started (1969).
I was horrified for the World Trade Center attack, it was terrible, I can still remember that morning when the General Manager of Volvo called those of us who had manager rank to his office, and the faces were incredible, none of us could believe our eyes.
All the world took side with USA, because it was horrendous.
But I can't foget back in 1972 when I saw my Mother with tears on her eyes while watching how the Israel Olimpic Team (Kids no older than the sons of most of our older members) was killed and the rest of the world did nothing, the Olympic games of 1972 continued as if nothing would have happened, and I remember Golda Meier crying on TV and saying that while they buried their sons, the rest of the world kept celebrating.
I can't forget how millions of Cambodians were killed by a lunatic called Pol Pot, how the culture the educated people were sacrificed in worst conditions than we sacrifice the cows or chickens to eat the, hoiw the books were burned, how the cities were emptied and the people sent to labour all day for a dish of rice. We're talking about two million humans if I'm not wrong.
Some of you might remember that almost each day a plane was kidnapped and taken to Cuba, The Democratic (????) Republic of Germany, USSR or the Middle East.
Because of my political orientation I didn't liked Allende, I was against anything he believed in, if I was Chilean I would definetely voted against him, but the crimes commited by Pinochet in Chile had no name, people was tortured and slaughtered in the National Stadium, the singer and Poet Victor Jara is just one of the victims, great part of the population had to escape like Violeta Parra and her sons (Los Jaivas) who were refugees in France.
Names as Stephen Biko who was brutally assasinated or Nelson Mandela in prison and the Peace Nobel Prize Bishop Desmond Tutu are echoes of the medieval Apartheid, a system that was criticized by the whole world, but noboody did anything to really stop it like sending UN Peace Corps.
I remember when the priests suspended classes in school to pray for the release of Aldo Moro in Italy, but he was killed.
In 1974 Jerry Conlon, Paul Hill, Carole Richardson and Paddy Armstrong were arrested and accused of terrorism for the only sin of being born Catholic and in Ireland, despite the police had incotrovertible proves of their innocence, they were sentenced to live in prison.
Even the terrorists of the IRA confessed before the police, but they were ordered to keep silence.
But that wasn't all Conlon's aunt, Annie Maguire, and his Father, Guiseppe Conlon were arrested despite they were not even near London or even in English territiry and sentenced to 14 years in prison. Giussepi Conlon died of a lung disease caused by the inhuman conditions they were kept.
In 1989 an English lawyer found the evidence hidden by the police and set them free. Carole Richardson was 17 years old when she was arrested she left the prison with 32 years, the best years of her life were lost. But the Governmemnt gave them a pardon They were not declared innocent, only forgiven by Her Gracious Majesty. No Police officer has been convicted for this crime, and today Tony Blair asks excuses for a terrible mistake against 7 little persons from a little plae called Ireland.
This were the fantasy 70's!!!
All this cases were kept in the memory of a person (myself) who was a child and later a teen ager in the 70's, so I just pointed that we didn't lived in the Paradise as Prog O Matic wrote carelesly.
If this guy would have sanswered, sorry, I don't know what it happened around the world, or simply I can only worry about my country it would be ok, I would have never answered him because there's noo point. But this guy answers with almost an insult replies:
Prog O Matic answered:
The sad fact of life is if America is cool the world keeps turning the same way but if America isn’t cool then sh(i)t hits the fan ! So Globally we are all caught up in it, These little places you are talking about are either here nor there for the greater population, |
Then I answered strongly, I probably lost my temper, but I took this as an insult, and any sensible person will understand how I felt.
The memory of all this INNOCENT marthyrs was being insulted, minimized as if this men and women were nothing but numbers in little places.
I believe it's a shame. I'm passionate with my arguments and sometimes I feel I go too far like Don Quixote fighting against wind mills, but in this case, I don't regret anything I said, only a savage with no culture or sensibility (I always thought we Progheads have a special sensibility) can say such aberrations.
Sorry if I offenden someone or bored some members, but for me human rights and even animal rights are delicate issues, live must be preserved as a wonderful thing that God, nature or evolution gave us.
Somebody said that when a person is killed in any part of the world, the sholw humanity is being attacked, and i believe it's correct
Iván