Prog Punk?
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Topic: Prog Punk?
Posted By: cleaverstudiosNY
Subject: Prog Punk?
Date Posted: February 06 2025 at 22:32
| These days I can't help but gravitate toward aggressive, high energy music, what with the state of our existence. I can't get enough punk rock, yet complicated and unusual music is even more important to me. I know the two genres are fairly paradoxical and the two aesthetics are somewhat opposite. However, NoMeansNo is one of my favorite groups, and I've always felt that they embody both worlds simultaneously. Does anyone have any true prog punk crossover music that they'd like to share? |
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: February 06 2025 at 22:37
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glass beach ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: February 06 2025 at 22:43
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A few bands that I would suggest in that vein: Off Minor (post-hardcore/jazz/math rock) Cardiacs (avant-punk/art rock/experimental rock) Rx Bandits (ska punk/progressive rock/reggae) At the Drive-in (specifically Relationship of Command) (post-hardcore/art punk) And this one may not count quite as much, but the punk/grunge band 7 Year Bitch also uses a bunch of weird rhythms and time sigs in their music. Their album Viva Zapata might be worth looking into  ------------- Take me down, to the underground Won't you take me down, to the underground Why oh why, there is no light And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life https://www.youtube.com/@CocoonMasterBrendan-wh3sd |
Posted By: meAsoi
Date Posted: February 07 2025 at 00:46
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Serbian post-punk band Šarlo Akrobata is already in PA with their only, yet masterful, album released in 1981. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 07 2025 at 04:43
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In 1979, I was very active in the Chicago Punk music scene as the bassist-in-residence for the late, great "Space Place." Space Place was an old warehouse converted into a musician's incubator (rooms were leased to bands), performance venue and hangout. https://punkdatabase.com/wiki/Space_Place" rel="nofollow - https://punkdatabase.com/wiki/Space_Place I auditioned for one band, "The Marquis," and when guitarist Todd Dawes wanted to jam, the first riff I threw at him was John Wetton's amazingly muscular bass opening licks from "Lartk's Tongues In Aspic Part II". There was a very clear influence of prog musical styles in Chicago's punk back then, including incorporation of electronic keyboard, jazz-rock fusion leads permeating punk anthems and so forth. It was a remarkable experience! This song is reminiscent of the music that Bob Fripp was making with his punk ensemble "The League of Gentlemen." Good times!! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: kirk782
Date Posted: February 08 2025 at 23:17
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Peter Hamill - Nadir's Big Chance. It has a very abrasive sound and atleast one of the songs sounds straight from a punk record of 1977 instead of a prog band [I think VdGG members played on this as well]. I personally find this album to be his finest solo album and as good as peak VdGG. No wonder John Lydon of the Sex Pistols held him in high regard when it came to influence on his later band Sex Pistols.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 08 2025 at 23:23
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I made a list on RYM of prog punk acts a few years ago There's quite a few. The biggies are Cardiacs, This Heat and a few moments from Van der Graaf and Hawkwind http://rateyourmusic.com/list/siLLy_puPPy/prog-punk-pronk/" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/list/siLLy_puPPy/prog-punk-pronk/ -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 05:07
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The Cardiacs (mentioned above) were considered the prime exponents although the late Tim Smith disliked the 'pronk' label. Steve Hillage also famously played with Sham 69 at the Reading Festival in 78: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPkt-JS_jDA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPkt-JS_jDA Would agree with This Heat. I saw Wire a few years ago and they come close as well... |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 05:37
| Although I love much that is mentioned here, chances are for a proper punk hardly anything that is mentioned here counts as punk. Post punk maybe. Punk influences, I give you that. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 07:40
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I've always said that Minutemen (and even Firehose/Mike Watt) could be considered for a grouping like this. Some of the stuff Minutemen did in their brief career took punk to a different place. One of California's greatest! ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 14:05
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Cardiacs are legendary. Deep Turtle, Dier and The League Of Gentlemen are some others I'm quite fond of (although the latter may be more closer to progressive post-punk...) ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 17:26
| Crass were the ultimate prog-punk band. Just listen to tracks such as Nagasaki Nightmare, Reality Asylum and Bloody Revolutions |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 20:12
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^ Crass is one of my fave punk bands of all time but i wouldn't call them prog. More like art punk. Musically they were anchored in trad punk rock but the experimental touches made them quite arty for punk. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 09 2025 at 21:46
| I remember somone lending me a Crass album back in the 80's and it was unlistenable. Definitely punk for sure. I leant them PIL's Compact Disc in return which was much better! |
Posted By: kirk782
Date Posted: February 12 2025 at 05:21
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Crass had an album called Feeding of Five Thousand, right? I think I listened to some of their songs back in the day but it was hardcore punk, from what I remember. |
Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: February 12 2025 at 15:32
| Probably better to listen to Best Before. Some great stuff on there |
Posted By: MacoyTrey
Date Posted: February 13 2025 at 03:21
| Yeah, I agree with you. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: February 13 2025 at 09:03
Minutemen were Prog Punk!!! What Makes A Man Start Fires is as Prog as it gets. And don't get me started about Double Nickels On The Dime. ------------- The Prog Corner |
Finnforest wrote:Posted By: tokyoganglion
Date Posted: February 13 2025 at 10:03
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Los Angeles in the early 80s had a lot of punk-prog . . . GEZA X in particular - a sort of lo-fi early 80s Zappa-meets-Ramones sound Also there's a compilation called BEGINNERS GUIDE TO COMA And the band B-PEOPLE was also from that scene. Can't forget the song "Monitor" by the band BEAK - insane, but I have no other information about them! Then there's the so-called "Jazz Punk" stuff of the mid-80s: NoMeansNo Victims' Family Plaid Retina Then there's more modern stuff like: BIKINI (the Hova Lett album) The Sort Of Quartet And the OG prog-punk tunes: "Forward To Death", and "Ill In The Head", from the DKs' first album. Apparently they were influenced by Beefheart and the Residents' album Duck Stab! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 13 2025 at 22:50
| Can't really get past The Stranglers. Dave Greenfield (RIP) and Jean Jacques Burnel were the 'proggers' in the band. Their version of Walk On By still sounds as glorious today as it did back in the day and it amuses me that a song extolling the virtues of heroin is still getting plays on mainstream radio (Golden Brown). |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 14 2025 at 05:21
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Bad Religion - Into the Unknown Apparently unreleased at the time but from what I understand the band were fans of the prog genre. Too bad they never visited this kind of thing again. It winds up sounding a bit like Utopia imo (at least the little I've listened to on youtube).
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 14 2025 at 05:30
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Of course this can't not be mentioned in a prog punk thread: |
Posted By: cleaverstudiosNY
Date Posted: February 17 2025 at 23:01
| Awesome! Incidentally, I became an acquaintance of Sara Lee, the bass player from League of Gentlemen. She lives in the Hudson Valley of NY most of the time, and she is an absolute delight. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 17 2025 at 23:50
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From the late 1970's/early 1980's my best example is Spizzenergy/Athletico Spizz 80 /The Spizzies... I think changing their bandname on a yearly basis haven't helped their popularity. As Spizzenergy they actually had a hit song with the awesome Where's Capain Kirk? They've managed to combine a punkish attitude with... I don't know - how I wish Cardiacs sounded. The song I wanted to share here, New Species isn't even available on Youtube* or Spotify. -but it's available here, check out: https://marshallstar.bandcamp.com/album/do-a-runner" rel="nofollow - Do A Runner - the full Athletico Spizz 80 , 1980-album here on Bandcamp. I really like the whole album, but the ten bonus track were unknown to me until today. Some of them are pretty great as well (but not all). Their 'hit song' is perhaps plainly Punk Rock/New Wave and a bit of a novelty. I love it though. And you can easily hear that even here their inventiveness and tight, precise performance differs quite a bit from regular three chords Punk Rock. This song was actually the first ever to top the UK Indie Charts, where it remained for seven weeks: *there is a nice Peel Sessions performance of it available though, but it doesn't have the same punch or impact as the studio version. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 17 2025 at 23:56
I didn't know that. That's actually where I'm originally from. The only prog person I know of who lives in the area where I live now is Annie Haslam who I met once (also friendly). The Dead Milkmen are actually from Philadelphia but I wouldn't consider them prog (I think they did that track as more of a piss-take than anything else).
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 18 2025 at 00:04
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There's also Zolar X. Their youtube videos wouldn't play in here though but will if you look them up on youtube. And then there's this one: |
Posted By: Hosydi
Date Posted: February 18 2025 at 00:09
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Agony Bag is most likely eligible for the thread. |
Posted By: Cthimothy
Date Posted: February 18 2025 at 06:52
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Subhumans' From The Cradle to the Grave might be of interest; British 80's Anarcho-Punk anger, filtered though Symphonic Prog movements, especially the side long title track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oez1UIkGTI
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 18 2025 at 08:27
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Definitely a strong punk influence here ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: February 21 2025 at 06:28
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