The Last Will and Testament discussion thread
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Topic: The Last Will and Testament discussion thread
Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Subject: The Last Will and Testament discussion thread
Date Posted: November 21 2024 at 21:01
As someone who isn’t a fan of Opeth, I can say that TLWAT is a very good album with some truly great moments. Ian Anderson's participation is spectacular. Without a doubt, the mellotron is probably the highlight of the album. If I enjoyed it, it’s likely that fans of the band found it to be an incredible record. Again, I’m speaking from complete ignorance here.
This is the fourth album I’ve listened to from them, but the band still hasn’t fully captivated me. That said, it’s a very good listen. I’d give it a 7/10 (3.5/5. Rounded up to 4 stars).
What do you think of the album?
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 06:04
I'm still listening, but so far it's just okay. Nothing mind blowing or ground breaking. 2.5 stars.
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 14:58
Several people seem to have popped up with reviews... on release day. Never was too convinced by these early ecstatic reviews, hope I am not the only one. I see these albums as something that should be left to "age" a bit, you should think about them for some time before you really make up your mind about it. Why rush writing anything? Perhaps there is something I don't understand in general but this seems to be a problem I have (and observe on other similar websites like RYM, for example) with large amounts of early reviews.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 15:01
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
Several people seem to have popped up with reviews... on release day. Never was too convinced by these early ecstatic reviews, hope I am not the only one. I see these albums as something that should be left to "age" a bit, you should think about them for some time before you really make up your mind about it. Why rush writing anything? Perhaps there is something I don't understand in general but this seems to be a problem I have (and observe on other similar websites like RYM, for example) with large amounts of early reviews.
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It happens all the time with new albums from famous bands, the same thing elsewhere (124 ratings on metalstorm). We have to watch out for abuse I guess.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 15:30
I really like the album. Does it have to feature something "ground-breaking" in order to receive high ratings? Not in my book. Strong contender for album of the year, especially since Opeth release tend to grow on me.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 15:42
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I really like the album. Does it have to feature something "ground-breaking" in order to receive high ratings? Not in my book. Strong contender for album of the year, especially since Opeth release tend to grow on me. |
Not just high rating, but i imagine low ratings as well (which Opeth does not deserve anyway). Possibly extremes, only highs and only lows.
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Posted By: bardberic
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 16:04
Cristi wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I really like the album. Does it have to feature something "ground-breaking" in order to receive high ratings? Not in my book. Strong contender for album of the year, especially since Opeth release tend to grow on me. |
Not just high rating, but i imagine low ratings as well (which Opeth does not deserve anyway). Possibly extremes, only highs and only lows. |
I gave it three stars lol
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 16:06
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I really like the album. Does it have to feature something "ground-breaking" in order to receive high ratings? Not in my book. Strong contender for album of the year, especially since Opeth release tend to grow on me. | Not sure why you quote my thoughts. It's already rated pretty high (currently PA'S 2024 AOTY). Enjoy the album.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 16:16
bardberic wrote:
Cristi wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I really like the album. Does it have to feature something "ground-breaking" in order to receive high ratings? Not in my book. Strong contender for album of the year, especially since Opeth release tend to grow on me. |
Not just high rating, but i imagine low ratings as well (which Opeth does not deserve anyway). Possibly extremes, only highs and only lows. |
I gave it three stars lol |
3 stars makes sense, you think the album is good but not essential.
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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 16:46
It's easily 5 stars for me, I haven't reviewed yet though, it's a very dense album
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 18:59
A very good album, I definitely like it a lot, but hard to place Opeth albums after just a few listens.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 22 2024 at 19:23
The middle of the album and the very last track are very good. Never been the biggest fan (of the band) if I'm honest but I may like this a bit more than other albums but that said I won't be getting a physical copy.
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 01:04
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I really like the album. Does it have to feature something "ground-breaking" in order to receive high ratings? Not in my book. Strong contender for album of the year, especially since Opeth release tend to grow on me. | Absolutely had the same feeling about 'In Cauda Venenum', an album I still enjoy very much. Not to mention how well the Swedish-language version unfolds, just a perfect fit for the music.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 03:48
^ I think it's better than ICV, more well-rounded and mature. As interesting as ICV was, in retrospect it seems like a premature attempt to return to the glorious days of Ghost Reveries.
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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 04:02
Hard to say for me, I love how growls are back and how Mike is using them differently, but, damn, ICV is also another fantastic album. The Will and ICV are similar but so different at the same time lol (and not only because of the growls).
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 07:09
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
Several people seem to have popped up with reviews... on release day. Never was too convinced by these early ecstatic reviews, hope I am not the only one. I see these albums as something that should be left to "age" a bit, you should think about them for some time before you really make up your mind about it. Why rush writing anything? Perhaps there is something I don't understand in general but this seems to be a problem I have (and observe on other similar websites like RYM, for example) with large amounts of early reviews.
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Hi,
I find this over rated. Depending on your listening ability, you don't need to have the music "age" in your mind or heart AT ALL ... and for me, sometimes, I wonder how much of that comment is an issue with folks having to compare things in their mind prior to making a decision on the whole thing ... that takes a bit of time, before one can make up a comment.
It's rather bizarre notion to me ... at 74, I have not had to wait 60 years in order to listen to and review "Le Sacre du Printemps", or "Sgt Pepper's" ... or "DSOTM", or the brand new bruhaha alsum by Ahahurb and the Left Overs! I was already on "DSOTM" way before KMET and KLOS made a huge thing about it in LA, and Southern California ... and by the time they got to it, many of us PF fans were already laughing at their inability to make up their minds ... and one person at KMET had asked ... what song do we play? They're all too long! ... and this was 50 years ago, folks!!!! I had already heard a lot of DSOTM from bootlegs for at least 6 months!!!!!
Even more difficult to disseminate, is that we have to wait for reviews from the better known websites where the music shows up, so we can FINALLY evaluate things on our own.
The release day reviews are over blown ... let's say that a record group/company mails out 100 copies to 100 folks ... and you and I are in that list. I get the album Wednesday, listen to it and Thursday write the review. At least 90 other mailings got to a group that has to create a web entry for the album, and due to large lists (as would be the case in several website) the chance of it not being mentioned or reviews won't be around for several more days ... all of a sudden THAT IS NOT RELEASE DAY qualified reviews at all.
I simply wonder how much is so many of us waiting for someone else to say it, so we don't feel left out and way out in the Sahara Desert with our opinion and view!
I'm not exactly an OPETH listener, or fan, but I will take a look that at that album ... although a lot of their material is not quite my thing. I'll opine on the rest later if necessary.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 07:41
As usual you are reading things into posts which were never there in the first place and then go on insulting those who wrote them.
Btw: you started your post claiming the album is overrated and ended with announcing that you will look into it and opine later. Sounds like a contradiction to me …
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 09:00
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
... Btw: you started your post claiming the album is overrated and ended with announcing that you will look into it and opine later. Sounds like a contradiction to me … |
Hi,
Mike, don't change my comments, please ... the idea/opinion was over rated, not the album or the band. That's very different.
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 09:34
^Since I don't want to quote the entire post, I will just give a short reply here... Your original reply has little to do with what I said and above all you say that you are not exactly an Opeth listener... then why bother writing anything on an Opeth-related thread in the first place? Pretty much what Mike said, I think you misinterpreted my post by far and large.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 15:14
moshkito wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
... Btw: you started your post claiming the album is overrated and ended with announcing that you will look into it and opine later. Sounds like a contradiction to me … |
Hi,
Mike, don't change my comments, please ... the idea/opinion was over rated, not the album or the band. That's very different.
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Ok, I think I understand now what you meant. In my opinion a really good release should immediately appeal to a listener on the first listen, but it should also grow with consecutive listens. This process still happens when I listen to music even with 40 years of experience listening to a broad range of music, and I am sure that it is the same for you. It’s how the human brain works.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 05:12
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
... Ok, I think I understand now what you meant. In my opinion a really good release should immediately appeal to a listener on the first listen, but it should also grow with consecutive listens. This process still happens when I listen to music even with 40 years of experience listening to a broad range of music, and I am sure that it is the same for you. It’s how the human brain works. |
Hi,
I can not say that this is an issue for me ... as I mentioned, a lot of the music is "visual" for me, and when you "see it" ... somehow, that seems to be the idea/thought that is associated with that music for me, and even listening to it later, it hasn't changed. I often thought that it should change since the person today is not the same as yesterdays, but I can go back and listen to Sgt Pepper's (a good example for me), and I still see many of the things I saw then.
I have been, and studied, a lot of psychic stuff for a long time, and a lot of my work with actors and improvisation includes a lot of what some folks might think is "psychic" material, which for me it ISN'T ... it's simply a matter/function of the way we are and work ... and most important of all ... there is a thing called "one moment in time", and for me, the different listens, will break up that moment in time, and devalue it. I, honestly, do not see why/how we devalue our own perception, and that it can not be trusted, but what happened in that ONE SECOND of time, can not be repeated, though you might be able to see it again, many times.
Again, to me, it is all about the depth of your listening ... and a lot of listens, tend to confuse me, as the experience at that specific moment will be different than another moment ... and while that should be considered valuable ... as is the case in your listens ... for me, it is not necessary as far as I can tell and know.
The thing about music, and the arts for me, and the work I do with Improvisation, is about ... a second in time ... and how one can use that second to interpret and develop the acting idea for a character, or get a stronger understanding for a play ... at that point it's not about the author, but how the actor wakes up to the possibilities of the work ... and again ... changing it every night is not something that often helps, though it's really hard to see an actor do King Lear, and repeat the same line in a soliloquy at least 200 times, and the director Peter Brook (in his book) says he never saw, or heard the same thing in all of those moments ... and that would be about the specific moment in time ... and not the "listens" ...
I think we are both caught in two different areas, mine is about "being there" at that moment in time ... and I think that different listens, in my experience, have changed the focus to something else, that is not a part of my "seeing".
I have not, as weird as that may sound, found a song, or piece of music to be totally different ... with one exception that we do not care about these days ... in the 1950's and 1960's, it was the time of the CONDUCTOR of an orchestra and some renditions of the same thing are really different ... and take you to a different place ... and it's the same "music" ... but one could never deny the strong difference between a German Conductor, and an Italian Conductor ... I see this today, btw, in the remember when bands, like Musical Box, Cloudbusting, and many others ... and it's not better or worse ... but it does feel very different even though almost all of them are being as faithful as they can about the music!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 01:37
I found it one of their worst records. The songwriting is a mess, it goes nowhere, keeps changing and changing and nothing sticks with you. There are no memorable passages. But I know I am in the minority. To me it seems just because the growls returned people immediately call it masterpiece and compare it to early Opeth. To me there is nothing in this album that is like old Opeth and the song structure is just a mess. Mikael's growls alone don't make a good record.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 07:20
This would be a great instrumental album.
------------- The Prog Corner
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 08:23
I'm listening to a bit of it now on youtube. It sounds ok but I'm not really a fan of the growling vocals (or whatever they're called).
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 09:03
miamiscot wrote:
This would be a great instrumental album. |
I agree. The Vocals are in the way for this listener.
------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 10:08
Oh I didn't even know this was out, I'll give it a listen
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