Jefferson Airplane's Complete Discography - featuring Starship, Jefferson Starship, Hot Tuna and all of the solo works by Jefferson Airplane members too, including:- 

Paul Kantner; Grace Slick; Marty Balin; Jack Casady; Jorma Kaukonen; & Alexander 'Skip' Spence. 

 1966: Jefferson Airplane - Jefferson Airplane Takes Off -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nzXZJ59YeexI7vW4N0QpWtOAI5seV4fYc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nzXZJ59YeexI7vW4N0QpWtOAI5seV4fYc

 1968: Jefferson Airplane - Crown of Creation -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYxt46J5zZ5smu87gAx8-3cwS5sTRJyJM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYxt46J5zZ5smu87gAx8-3cwS5sTRJyJM

 1969: Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lISo2IXu6GHY3N-UNMocMuPDXRP2x5HsM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lISo2IXu6GHY3N-UNMocMuPDXRP2x5HsM

 1970: Jefferson Airplane - The Worst of Jefferson Airplane -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kCytlztt1q5bxbsgQroXUxFE0KPwmLxyA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kCytlztt1q5bxbsgQroXUxFE0KPwmLxyA

 1971: Jefferson Airplane - Bark -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mbQmY_q7tYeAXcvDIPyChmwzubhk_izcg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mbQmY_q7tYeAXcvDIPyChmwzubhk_izcg

 1972: Jefferson Airplane - Long John Silver -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0Zy9VtTOdO0N_-oZmR0moOogSv9_cR6o" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0Zy9VtTOdO0N_-oZmR0moOogSv9_cR6o

 1973: Jefferson Airplane - Thirty Seconds Over Winterland -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGotn8LeP0e07GCerovub_0UHShvrCP5" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGotn8LeP0e07GCerovub_0UHShvrCP5

 1974: Jefferson Airplane - Early Flight -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnDdkPU0ODo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnDdkPU0ODo

 1977: Jefferson Airplane - Flight Log (1966-1976) -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNMXqZQ8gzNokg0CdWkQt6xWjWwuTT1KI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNMXqZQ8gzNokg0CdWkQt6xWjWwuTT1KI

 1989: Jefferson Airplane - Jefferson Airplane -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOeoXoL9Jy5oay3tIbORWM6EOAG23t1gK" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOeoXoL9Jy5oay3tIbORWM6EOAG23t1gK

                 1990: Jefferson Airplane - High Flying Bird: Live at the Monterey Festival -  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ny_y4ID30tXMdC5GiGNBYxLnC-JS9l-6M" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ny_y4ID30tXMdC5GiGNBYxLnC-JS9l-6M

                 1974: Jefferson Starship - Dragon Fly -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kVaspYl31qEcxHahAqaOqC83uEK81YWkI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kVaspYl31qEcxHahAqaOqC83uEK81YWkI

                 1975: Jefferson Starship - Red Octopus -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nZshcpzILVnJp8J7K2ls0QCEGikpt_BGo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nZshcpzILVnJp8J7K2ls0QCEGikpt_BGo

                 1976: Jefferson Starship - Spitfire -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIAZr8dkoC0v0LWMxFknnYaa_bx8NR4f4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIAZr8dkoC0v0LWMxFknnYaa_bx8NR4f4

                 1978: Jefferson Starship - Earth -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nn8zOggoVGOFx2mr_NUZhFv8TS8Kp0axg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nn8zOggoVGOFx2mr_NUZhFv8TS8Kp0axg

                 1979: Jefferson Starship - Freedom at Point Zero -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQzDEi3dMZRgATo6a_a5zAJs7VnvQ95PI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQzDEi3dMZRgATo6a_a5zAJs7VnvQ95PI

                 1981: Jefferson Starship - Modern Times -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nf3I5RqDB5-o7ufynEPTS8EM0QJFENhp4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nf3I5RqDB5-o7ufynEPTS8EM0QJFENhp4

                 1982: Jefferson Starship - Winds of Change -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_neSyJgxOdKbjTjbEMbG1kzV4Q6SOIrNpE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_neSyJgxOdKbjTjbEMbG1kzV4Q6SOIrNpE

                 1984: Jefferson Starship - Nuclear Furniture -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1HCoJZY2qWbkaubOvwUCBZhJ5zcET1L0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1HCoJZY2qWbkaubOvwUCBZhJ5zcET1L0

                 1998: Jefferson Starship - Windows of Heaven -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLK6X2ZxsBQsc816mYaT07rcSYQETgHDql" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLK6X2ZxsBQsc816mYaT07rcSYQETgHDql

                 2008: Jefferson Starship - Jefferson's Tree of Liberty -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxv7zOpFwbUXxBPsK72bwQvjQbOZwvy4e" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxv7zOpFwbUXxBPsK72bwQvjQbOZwvy4e

                 2020: Jefferson Starship - Mother of the Sun -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mIm8RMkkhgM9NLNglrychnTp_3gr1Js-s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mIm8RMkkhgM9NLNglrychnTp_3gr1Js-s

                 1985: Starship - Knee Deep in the Hoopla -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mynaTTAENV2udpKiH6-EgaCMaedoG6n2E" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mynaTTAENV2udpKiH6-EgaCMaedoG6n2E

                 1987: Starship - No Protection -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l6WnXqKB0w3gxC40F5dPzA5ux5XzP5rrg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l6WnXqKB0w3gxC40F5dPzA5ux5XzP5rrg

                 1989: Starship - Love Among the Cannibals -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lvvhgJG1KRh1rXSnGW1pD1d4g1E7gx-kA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lvvhgJG1KRh1rXSnGW1pD1d4g1E7gx-kA

                 2013: Starship - Loveless Fascination -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYZcDBKOnqDFD2Igue5ylRjs8Mddrd7d2" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYZcDBKOnqDFD2Igue5ylRjs8Mddrd7d2

                 2003: Jack Casady - Dream Factor -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nvdYiWGPoycR4D0GcIXqYwVWUQmJFjPvY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nvdYiWGPoycR4D0GcIXqYwVWUQmJFjPvY

                 1970: Hot Tuna - Hot Tuna -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLx1TTNZ42GQLdKme8elSGF9KEUuv0T7ux" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLx1TTNZ42GQLdKme8elSGF9KEUuv0T7ux

                 1971: Hot Tuna - First Pull Up, Then Pull Down -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOFsCPXqLYfrqHybRa8L_CX7b7baIT1Qp" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOFsCPXqLYfrqHybRa8L_CX7b7baIT1Qp

                 1972: Hot Tuna - Burgers -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k35Ud62etf3Nm61Er3y-Gy-tb0zS9iXvc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k35Ud62etf3Nm61Er3y-Gy-tb0zS9iXvc

                 1974: Hot Tuna - The Phosphorescent Rat -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLr15SSLLiqDH9dTDoPi-2P-mIFWFHzj_W" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLr15SSLLiqDH9dTDoPi-2P-mIFWFHzj_W

                 1975: Hot Tuna - America's Choice -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBfVf1hYdth8WnOc3zWKVykN1FNEkbKPI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBfVf1hYdth8WnOc3zWKVykN1FNEkbKPI

                 1975: Hot Tuna - Yellow Fever -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAyqcK7lYFnsjc5kbN9WjvHjKBTnfln7Y" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAyqcK7lYFnsjc5kbN9WjvHjKBTnfln7Y

                 1976: Hot Tuna - Hoppkorv -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDEtANEwOxhSyNRUKW87gFRjb-7P4U7bc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDEtANEwOxhSyNRUKW87gFRjb-7P4U7bc

                 1978: Hot Tuna - Double Dose -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kjZwhQYZ58Tf0JOqOoh4VIs2MdUI9D4AA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kjZwhQYZ58Tf0JOqOoh4VIs2MdUI9D4AA

                 1990: Hot Tuna - Pair a Dice Found -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l2SgRqgyhehEUFgsqnn1tX7-X0iN8ymaQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l2SgRqgyhehEUFgsqnn1tX7-X0iN8ymaQ

                 1992: Hot Tuna - Live at Sweetwater -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW7HPjgMOPi0VJ3VC1uHNFyGjOWvqfwBs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW7HPjgMOPi0VJ3VC1uHNFyGjOWvqfwBs

                 1993: Hot Tuna - Live at Sweetwater Two -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZqeInkORFPXmh0aKgdznJzeBwNyhXC6w" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZqeInkORFPXmh0aKgdznJzeBwNyhXC6w

                 1997: Hot Tuna - Live in Japan -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mTbjcBUFIVtKk8TQzMGszeyREivUNqENc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mTbjcBUFIVtKk8TQzMGszeyREivUNqENc

                 2011: Hot Tuna - Steady as She Goes -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kiTSnKNkyN2dyO9qEu1iroOV8PoX6KH_s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kiTSnKNkyN2dyO9qEu1iroOV8PoX6KH_s

                 1970: Paul Kantner & Jefferson Starship - Blows Against the Empire -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-Tu1csWq-i5_w88Ve-qZigqlO90Ifaoo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-Tu1csWq-i5_w88Ve-qZigqlO90Ifaoo

                 1971: Paul Kantner & Grace Slick - Sunfighter -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nAQbL8EBss0Kwhp-tAZEa13Q7B4gyQcXc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nAQbL8EBss0Kwhp-tAZEa13Q7B4gyQcXc

                 1973: Paul Kantner, Grace Slick & David Freiberg - Baron von Tollbooth & the Chrome Nun -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mcJVi90oetOeGZFIyRXK2jiPYylxfmguo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mcJVi90oetOeGZFIyRXK2jiPYylxfmguo

                 1983: Paul Kantner - Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mkkmMl3fQpW4U38eLCL64K9iUytdYKrdo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mkkmMl3fQpW4U38eLCL64K9iUytdYKrdo

                 1974: Jorma Kaukonen - Quah -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k1_unICX7WcrG1S-25D3NQ6L9P28ISuc4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k1_unICX7WcrG1S-25D3NQ6L9P28ISuc4

                 1979: Jorma Kaukonen - Jorma -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIwVl3bJR3XO6S-0A8dWRFAUAvXKB5xfg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIwVl3bJR3XO6S-0A8dWRFAUAvXKB5xfg

                 1981: Jorma Kaukonen & Vital Parts - Barbeque King -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOFsCPXqLYfqrA5Hp4UU2voKd4IeeEgdt" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOFsCPXqLYfqrA5Hp4UU2voKd4IeeEgdt

                 1985: Jorma Kaukonen - Too Hot to Handle -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjgD8Iec20" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDjgD8Iec20

                 1995: Jorma Kaukonen - The Land of Heroes -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBs-EKGHl16b2PJeeFNba-OzD_hQyd2hw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBs-EKGHl16b2PJeeFNba-OzD_hQyd2hw

                 1996: Jorma Kaukonen - Christmas -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npcxdDf97zfIG9b86rd7Qj72oHeOXnY_U" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npcxdDf97zfIG9b86rd7Qj72oHeOXnY_U

                 1998: Jorma Kaukonen - Too Many Years -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAXTqNaeFjc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAXTqNaeFjc

                 2002: Jorma Kaukonen - Blue Country Heart -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTFbOITnLfbraY11pbikZa4f3abHnds5o" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kTFbOITnLfbraY11pbikZa4f3abHnds5o

                 2007: Jorma Kaukonen - Stars in My Crown -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAKTNGuHi8qVIgoC7my-yspdH2031A8A0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAKTNGuHi8qVIgoC7my-yspdH2031A8A0

                 2009: Jorma Kaukonen - River of Time -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ngMH0S-Dmkq8VPs2hQZh8MnsMySGOY_GM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ngMH0S-Dmkq8VPs2hQZh8MnsMySGOY_GM

                 2015: Jorma Kaaukonen - Ain't in No Hurry -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lDnHuK920S6u1zzTb2dgk1F1_L7cyV9Ws" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lDnHuK920S6u1zzTb2dgk1F1_L7cyV9Ws

                 2020: Jorma Kaukonen & John Hurlbut - The River Flows -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2D-di7KmdMm7H1p3ajJpRHGEneKDvmfA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2D-di7KmdMm7H1p3ajJpRHGEneKDvmfA

                 2021: Jorma Kaukonen & John Hurlbut - The River Flows, Volume 2 -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mfSq_ETzYdiYYPhHHqiNGEBpogZn50hwg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mfSq_ETzYdiYYPhHHqiNGEBpogZn50hwg

                 1986: KBC Band - KBC Band -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd1_nGtqrlU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd1_nGtqrlU

                 1974: Grace Slick - Manhole -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m6MWUxInnw_WuMDjSz0FGJoi8wwgzT4Zk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m6MWUxInnw_WuMDjSz0FGJoi8wwgzT4Zk

                 1980: Grace Slick - Dreams -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_la9RMS-Iy5CrqZwZvWICeyYCaiLrrFBfY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_la9RMS-Iy5CrqZwZvWICeyYCaiLrrFBfY

                 1981: Grace Slick - Welcome to the Wrecking Ball -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kwlJbnAHrIs36ZrzpuiL3xEVT3f4oySYk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kwlJbnAHrIs36ZrzpuiL3xEVT3f4oySYk

                 1984: Grace Slick - Software -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mX_qcbokzIf8FzIL8qQQmBbdsNMbPKeyc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mX_qcbokzIf8FzIL8qQQmBbdsNMbPKeyc

                 1999: Grace Slick - The Best of Grace Slick -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktzPQMkYu0GeiYwsEvn79gAQdiwEWt06g" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktzPQMkYu0GeiYwsEvn79gAQdiwEWt06g

                 1969: Alexander 'Skip' Spence - Oar -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kZGVhx2i7B1z_SbTXBPUaGmO8j8nqBclA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kZGVhx2i7B1z_SbTXBPUaGmO8j8nqBclA

I think you and I are the only ones that have a soft spot for these folks ... and that special about them in various parts is really cool ... you just don't see folks talking about their music as well as these do, and then go out and mean it, and show it!

Looking at the list I have at least 12 of those albums.

I do wish that Grace Slick would come around ... she said that she was not gonna be some geriatric bitch singing at 60, and has stuck to it ... but I can't imagine her not sitting at the piano and putting something together with some interesting words.  I think she does a lot of painting, not sure.

I'd agree that Volunteers is the break point for me as well.  It was more aggressive-sounding than the previous albums, but the live Pointed Heads is great

I'm always amazed that such a great live band  hasn't seen more official archives concerts from the classic line-up band (30 seconds over Winterland is really weak)

BTW, Crown is by far my fave album

Yesssss, the Airplane crew did do politics in their own manners. Grace even tried to spike Tricky Dicky Nixon's punch bowl, but her partner was spotted as troublesome by the CIA/FBI filtering at the door so they were stopped.

Geoff Tamarkin's Got a Revolution? is essential reading, IMHO.

I often wondered what "You and Me and Pooneil" referred to. Now I know. 

Hi,

I enjoyed Grace's own book ... although I think she should add about 5 or 6 more chapters to it NOW, since things are not exactly the same ... but in general both books are essential to the time and place. However, 10 years ago, I think she was looking at things way too cynical for my tastes, and I am not sure that gave credence to the music, the art and its effect ... which I think she might now wish to discuss! Too many conflicting emotions?

The book on the Fillmore and BG is also worth it, but we also get to see how many folks/bands were already "not hip" at all, thought we might think/assume that BG was making it look like he was the one making things "hip", and in the end, by the quantity of bands he brought forth in SF (specially), I would really think that he deserved more credit than otherwise, but the stories seem to spend their time on how the Fillmore in the East Coast is what burned him out.

The Jerry Garcia book is also really good, though you know the ending already and it's a sad moment ... such a great musician!

In general, the only sad thing about that time and place, is how so many of those folks in the scene flamed out later in the 70's ... and it makes me think that it became all sex, drugs and more sex and drugs and the music was kinda forgotten, except the stuff that was already known, although the 2nd generation of the Fillmore bands, for me, is not half as good as the first. I also think that by that time the music industry had already ripped a part too many folks and created bands (help put them  in the map!) simply to get an audience and make money ... and I'm not sure that the music itself was ever that great or as valuable. It certainly lost its politics, which was one of the issues in the first generation! But I guess that after "Ohio" ... we really do not want any more reminders, with a thanks to Neil Young for his anthem.

et the risk of getting side-tracked, how do you make a distinction between the Fillmore bands generation?

.

Hi,

In general, by the words and the works. The first generation (my term, btw ... !!!) would be the likes of GD, JA, Santana, CSN&Y, Steve Miller, Quicksilver, CCR and even Big Brother and the like. The "2nd" generation for me, would be Boz Scaggs, and the bands around the Bay area, since the "first group" was already too big to be able to play at the Fillmore at all ... even if BG was associated with some of them. 

I do not discount the idea/fact that the Fillmore, by 1971, was now too small and over loaded to be an effective concert venue, for a lot of bands, but while many had the name and players, like Hot Tuna, for example, to my knowledge, they were already past the prime era ... even though  HOt Tuna were with JA for many shows at the end of the Fillmore. But Hot Tuna did not have the socio/political touch that JA and many other bands had.

I used the term "2nd generation" as a way to separate the originals that got the Fillmore really well known, as opposed to the later bands, but the differences are clear, as it signaled the end of the "hippie" era in SF, so to speak ... a viable location for everyone to meet and have fun with some outstanding music. 

It makes, generally, a sad ending ... that vital music, all of a sudden "disappeared" and the SF scene was never the same again, or at least as strong as it had started ... but blaming it all on sex and drugs, sometimes seems like a cop-out for me, thus I tend to think that the quality of the work was not as important or valuable as the first group of bands.

You know what it felt like? That all of a sudden the flowers in your hair were all plastic ... the reality was gone!

Given that Scaggs was one of the two leaders of the SMB, I'd consider him "first gen", but you haven't named others. AFAIK, 2nd Gen Frisco bands would include Journey, Hot Tuna and Jeff Starship, but maybe I miss some of them more (born in 70/71).

When did the Fillmore close down, BTW?? - off hand without looking it up, both East & West were closed by end 72

Hi,

July 4th 1971 per Wiki.

The sad thing, in some ways, is that this was done by one person, and this is something that "progressive" really needed, although it being way more foreign and in various places around the world, would have made things very tough ... as it did, and a lot of festivals ended up falling apart due to not enough sales. 

By the end of 1971, I had already started into the European bands and "imports" and never got out of it after that. The European scene had the beauty and the works that had given the flowery era a great start. 

Hi,

I keep thinking that was what was missing ... family ... is what gave us the whole scene. The larger audiences, in many ways, killed the family thing. I still treat the whole psychedelic thing (including the artistic side that became progressive) ... a special treat and touch ... 

As much as I liked PF at Anaheim Stadium, in the end, that was the thing that turned me off concerts. That whole fan thing fighting for the pieces of the pig and RW getting upset really broke me apart! Those folks were not fans ... they were the garbage that came with DSOTM ... PF did not have that kind of folks in concert before in smaller locations.

Hey Jacob, 

Bigger crowds are also a turn-off for me - I stopped stadiums after seeing Floyd for the Permanent Lapse of Reason tour. I don't think I've entered an arena rink since the late-90's either: I'd say that Yes' The Ladder tour was my last large indoor crowd.

I also prefer smaller halls or festivals (who wouldn't nowadays?) and indeed, I have avoided the big events (10K+ attendances) for aver three decades and am mostly concentrating of jazz-size concerts (+/- <500 crowds) & festivals (though I again avoid the "big" names in those line-ups >> Kamasi Washington has become "too big" in the last 10 years for me to see him again)

BTW, both Fillmore halls housed around 2500, which I find a little much for "family" events.

I may have read you wrong, but you appear to say that some of these human-sized concert hall were closed as a preparation to big arenas or stadium tours. But there were tons of max-3k-crowds halls still in activity, so I'm not sure the Fillmores were closed on purpose to prepare the future. The way I understood it, was that BG was tired and not making enough dough to continue on like that for years.

Hi,

I'm not sure that this is quite clear in the book, though my thoughts are, from all the quotes ... that BG had gotten disillusioned with the number of bands that he helped make big, and in the end, there was nothing in it for him ... though I suppose it is possible to think that some folks might say they got taken for a ride ... because it was BG and it was the famous location.

I'm of the mind that things needed to improve and move on to the next level ... though I'm not sure that BG saw this as possible, because it would mean he had to share the money with others ... since he did not have any ownership on those bigger venues. I wonder if that took a lot of wind out of his sails.

Ok, your take is probably close to mine

That BG was no reverend/saint either. He was in it also for the money, not just the recognition. 

But what I was really objecting to was that Jacob said (or I thought he was saying) the evolution to arenas & stadium was planned by closing smaller venues. 

For ex, I'm glad that Toronto's Massey Hall still exists today, as it was planned for demolition when they build a new one (reserved for philharmonic uses and called Thompson hall subsequently) in the vicinity of the CN Tower and the Skydome stadium.

 

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Hi,

That would definitely be a bad statement and idea. The real fact was related to sales of the music, and remember that up until the days of Elvis Presley, rock music was not considered important and worth while music, and when it got to the Beatles and Rolling Stones selling millions, changed the ideas ... to where the money could be made ... the idea of the bigger places, was more related to the incredible amount of sales that made the smaller places very difficult for most bands that now wanted a bit more, and deservedly so.

The smaller ones, did not exactly get closed down, although one could say that some just went down by the size of the status of the bands, and the most important one ... no local talent to replace it, since the focus is on the big money and who cares about many local bands. This ended up with a really big issue in LA that got to the courts, and the record/radio companies LOST and had to provide time for the new bands ... which was a part of the new thing ... when KMET was taken down to become whitewash music by 6AM when it came back on. Many of the companies, decided screw it ... we're gonna change the format ... and the rock bands that were local? Screw them!

This has never really been cleared up, and the FCC making sure that a corporation could own all of the stations in LA (for example) killed a lot of clubs, since none of those bands came to town everyday ... too expansive. ... and some places have a lot of small bars and clubs, but nothing that would double up the size to help get a few more bands in ... Portland has at least 40 or 50 of these, and the number of bands going through them is insane, and you know they are all on a bus to nowhere ... tomorrow in Seattle, and next day in Vancouver BC for 10 dollars more!

Again, my take is that it is the numbers thing that hurt the music ... and keep folks out of the clubs and hearing new bands ... and the main reason why I do not enjoy any "numbers" in relation to "progressive" ... progressive is not competing with anyone ... the music is its own ... but some folks (specially one here) thinks that the numbers are more important ... by making sure no one will listen to the bottom 10, of course! 

 "Did you meet any nice friends in the slammer?" 

A thread of mine, when I entered the Crew on PA's boat

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27119&FID=58" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27119&FID=58

Monterey Pop Festival, June 1967

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Jefferson Airplane - the only band to play all three of the major late-1960's pop festivals at Monterey, Woodstock and the disastrous concert at Altamont Speedway where the Hells Angels were hired to provide "security". Shocked Monterey Pop Festival, June 1967 Woodstock, July 1969 Altamont Speedway - December 1969 (Oh, What a Night) Ouch ...

Hi

The sad side of this is that only the first one in Monterey seemed to be OK with the band. Grace complained about when they played and no restrooms about Woodstock, and I'm not sure that the show is as good as some of the things that we have seen on various bits and pieces. And the 3rd one was a disaster, and Balin got hit, and things did not get any better from there, and the local authorities should ahve shut down the whole thing right there, which might not have been possible.

I think, in many ways and Grace does not say it, that the things that happened at Woodstock and later at Altamont, took a lot of their energy out, and even though they went on to do a couple of things later, the band was seriously damaged after all that.

They deserved better, and the press was not quite nice about it, and there were articles that the band even was a part of inciting the riot and what happened there. I find that pathetic, when the article does not mention that Marty got hit hard that did not help things much.

In my book, this was what the audience thing became, and we could see it with Pink Floyd later at Anaheim Stadium ... basically the number and most fans at these things were not there for the music.

It's No Secret that I'm in love with Grace, but I'll always have a place in my heart for Signe Toly Anderson (1941-2016) 

That and Hot sh*t Tuna happening.

Clearly six hour of music shows per night did not help either: 

With Hot Tuna opening, then the Airplane headlining, then a three-four jam and Spencer Dryden (with Jorma & Jack) was on the drum stool the whole time and he was over 30 at the time (see the song Lather); and it must've taken its toll (that and being Grace's lover, it must've lead him energy-less) . IMHO, once Dryden was out, things got unraveled.

Of course things got "worse" once the juvenile Joey Covington was embarked in at the tender age of 17/8, but he had the energy to do the three sets at every show. 

Not sure Gracie jumped bones with him (Cov) though, as she had with everybody else in the band except Balin >> there is a very funny story of how Grace was drunk and pounding on Marty's hotel door, because she wanted to hump him, and he wouldn't open, thus causing her to yell and wake-up everyone on the floor)

As for getting a bad press, the Airplane was doing way too much politics, so when the hammer fell back down, it fell onto the 2400 Fulton nest. 

FTM, this is a first that I hear that JA & GD got the blame for hiring the Hell's for security. This was the Stones' show and both Frisco bands had little to do with the organization.

Personally, I'd heard that Jagger had echoes that they were fine and that the English chapter had been used over in the UK as security service, and it had worked fine (one can imagine the UK chapter of HA having tea at 5PM  ).

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Hi,

It's no different today, I suppose. Everyone says something and everyone gets trashed silly and looks stupid in the media, regardless of who reports it ... it feels like Mr. T's TV show ... and no one, gets upset with the attitude problem, in the media, about trashing anything, and JA was as good as anyone else, when it came to politics, but that's like saying Joan Baez did not get "lynched" by the mob for opening her mouth. As did many others, and of course, later, the irony of it all, is seeing The Doors's music being used in Coppola's film, in the most destructive manner ... which suggested to many reviewers that the music was incendiary and would get you in trouble ... a very media attitude. A drug fueled madness!

The big issue, in my own paranoid idea, is that all the left handed media disappeared, in the late 70's and were either sold, or just plain closed with no advertising ability being stolen (you sign a deal with them and you won't get our hundred thousand for the Army and Navy!!!) ... and no one said anything. (True fact, btw, as it happened in Santa Barbara!!!) ... and here came the "media" making you think that war was good, or at least in Mr. Kissinger's own words ... "war is good for business..." 

I just kinda thought that by the time things got to Altamont, that we were entering a time that was starting to look scary. And many of the Woodstock bands got some serious money, but the sad part is that at least 10 other bands got nothing and were not even given the ability to showcase its work in an album ... thus, the mark of the _____ (... the saying where the money is, evil resides!) was set, so to speak.

Having seen what I went through in Madison during Kent State and many an event (school has 50K students ... thus you know how independent many were then, and the ugly side of some of the rich republicans (so to speak ... not that democrats did not have the same thing!) was not yet quite visible at the time. But Kent State got immediately shoved aside as a non-event with very sad political consequences. 

To this day, "freedom of speech" has been a problem and the Supreme Court doesn't care, otherwise folks like the well known Mrs Gore (I'll make sure you never get another contract!) situation would not continue and live even better and more so under the past several Republican White House folks.

The arts, should be allowed to "talk" ... so what we're saying is that Picasso's Guernica is just a painting, and not a statement about the civil war in Spain that was totally visible through the window of your house in Madrid and other places! 

Time out. I'm of the opinion that we need to help protect our artists and spokespersons. JA was just as important as many others, some of which got gunned down!

I could care less about the politics or social junk around Slick and the band.

They were great and the early  lps with Slick show this . IMHO Baxters, Crown , and Volunteers easily deserve 4 stars.

"consider how small you are....compared to a scream the human dream doesn't mean sh*t to a tree.''

                  1968: The Great Society - Conspicuous Only in its Absence -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJGbTUEhYsQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJGbTUEhYsQ

                  1968: The Great Society - How It Was -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSTxokwE_c" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSTxokwE_c

                  1971: The Great Society - Collector's Item -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGotn8LeP0cDQI4dxjolVyJ-87yQJ48-" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzGotn8LeP0cDQI4dxjolVyJ-87yQJ48-

                  1989: The Great Society - Live at the Matrix 1966 -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ0A2SEX86ZwMqvMDtiCkvXG_T_dNPhB3" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ0A2SEX86ZwMqvMDtiCkvXG_T_dNPhB3

                  1995: The Great Society - Born to Be Burned -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQNMLhqYSTJNdAYiu9ZI-Z_svEW6XDONw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQNMLhqYSTJNdAYiu9ZI-Z_svEW6XDONw

Hi,

But, that was the difference between the "new music" and the hit radio cheap stuff .... a lot of it meaningless and just (supposedly) fun! (See the other thread!) ... and it wasn't until much later when FM was raped and bought by the corporate groups that all the "meaningful" material kinda disappeared ... the same companies that owned the record companies also owned all the radio stations with "different owners" and names! 

We just don't realized how controlled the FCC has made all the rules in favor of the corporate rats.

I don't think that you will find many of the bands in that time, that did not have something to say, politically, socially, or philosophically ... and to be perfectly honest ... guess what we are missing in 2024, with bands creating a lot of meaningless lyrics as a way to "say something" ... and in the end, it's like saying nothing at all. 

Year     Pos.      Come Up the Years with Jefferson Airplane's chart rundown.

1966       -        Jefferson Airplane - It's No Secret -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLSTH-z_jeU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLSTH-z_jeU

1966       -        Jefferson Airplane - Come Up the Years -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQEaBXK1Vdc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQEaBXK1Vdc

1966       -        Jefferson Airplane - Bringing Me Down -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR4IG6goyhY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR4IG6goyhY

1966     103      Jefferson Airplane - My Best Friend -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IpBfDkNFwQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IpBfDkNFwQ

1967       5        Jefferson Airplane - Somebody to Love -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jj3wZVc7nw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jj3wZVc7nw

1967       8        Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0

1967      42       Jefferson Airplane - The Ballad of You and Me and Pooneil -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Hhec_lsKs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Hhec_lsKs

1967      61       Jefferson Airplane - Watch Her Ride -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_nMixIHf1A" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_nMixIHf1A

1968      98       Jefferson Airplane - Greasy Heart -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loEZWtlVpW4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loEZWtlVpW4

1968      64       Jefferson Airplane - Crown of Creation -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKehn_tsCqw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKehn_tsCqw

1969       -        Jefferson Airplane - Plastic Fantastic Lover -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGE6YWVao0Y" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGE6YWVao0Y

1969      65       Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsoqRvYqWDg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsoqRvYqWDg

1970       -        Jefferson Airplane - Mexico -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsUMa3yeYYc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsUMa3yeYYc

1971      60       Jefferson Airplane - Pretty as You Feel -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=166pW5rEjIc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=166pW5rEjIc

1972       -        Jefferson Airplane - Long John Silver -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it4v0rVxlYQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it4v0rVxlYQ

1972       -        Jefferson Airplane - Twilight Double Leader -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9cS71ykRO0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9cS71ykRO0

1989       -        Jefferson Airplane - Summer of Love -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-TDU1btAM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-TDU1btAM

1989       -        Jefferson Airplane - Planes -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0gnnVcOLNc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0gnnVcOLNc

1989       -        Jefferson Airplane - True Love -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a0De6dmZZo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a0De6dmZZo

My favourite JA release is Sweeping up the Spotlight: Jefferson Airplane Live at the Fillmore East 1969 (2007)

Hi,

The only suggestion I have, and your lists are amazing, is that I would separate the singles from the albums. The singles make it look like they released more, but in many ways the "singles" are what helped each album make it to our turntables. I didn't buy the album because of White Rabbit, which is a clever song, but I'm not sure that folks have delved into the lyrics ... I am not sure I like it ... but there was, in each album, some far out and different stuff.

The sad thing, for me, is how Jack Cassidy's bass was downplayed in all the albums ... because in concert he was THE band ... you could not miss him or the bass. Even in the live albums, it is downplayed, and every time I hear their live stuff, I am not sure I ever heard the turkey make a "mistake", which Kantner, Balin often were caught, and Grace sometimes was on her own, though she knew how to adjust to say with it.

Hi,

I kinda look at this, nowadays, very much as the same thing as the communes that several bands in Germany had. The idea was to live together, and work together and any other idea that came along. 

Nowadays we only live with our puffers, sun glasses and maybe a doggie! In this day and age of 2024, the idea of a commune is something that Americans do not believe in, as their individuality turns to some form of .... I guess we need more Mr. T's.

I also find it strange, this idea of sex .... so what? It's one of the things that made the time worthwhile, like it did for many of us in our younger days!

Hi,

I second that idea and comment. Considering how many folks copied the extended stuff from TGD, it is rather strange that the PA folks have not extended it to see the history.

It's OK, TGD does not need PA for anything ... they have made their story completely apart from the record companies, and allowed folks to record their shows off their sound board, and kept a lot of people very happy ... not to mention they had the best sound system that nobody inside a progressive/prog show will EVER hear ... PF's quadraphonic sound was close, but it was too hissy, though it helped make sure that people heard the little voices and details in DSOTM that the American LP had made sure to hide with its copy of some master found in a trash bin.