i love rascal reporters 2 death... shame what happened 2 one ov the members tho, falling from a ladder n hitting your head is probably one of the most mundane but agonizing ways to go

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i fw this: this seems beefhearty (lick my decals era, not trout mask era). it's a bit conventional though but the vibes there :3

https://gravitsapa.bandcamp.com/album/concert-no1-2323-for-chamber-duo-with-looper-and-polivox" rel="nofollow -

I'm definitely a beginner in this genre, but for other beginners I could recommend Univers Zero's Clivages (2010).

MikeEnRegalia wrote: What‘s “fw”?

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Looked it up and it's social media slang apparently and extremely poor use of language IMO

I believe it is a lazy way to say "follow."  

The English language is changing before our eyes, thanks to "text" language.  I've had university professors tell me that their students write entire papers using it.  Terms like OMG (Oh my God) are in common usage. 

Of course, the word "okay" was generated from a contraction for "all correct," so we've been down this path. 

GBF!  

Its definitely "f**k with". 

Those who prefer the folkier side of the RIO/Avant genre, i.e., bands such as Etron Fou Leloublan or Zamla Mammaz Manna, should have a great time with the former Yugoslav band Begnagrad and their eponymous album from 1982. Begnagrad's sound is characterised in the booklet of the Mio Records 2003 remastered CD edition as "Euro-folk avant-rock." That highly recommended release includes four bonus tracks, and its enhanced section has a 20-minute film clip of the band's 1983 concert held at an open-air festival in the former Yugoslav Socialistic Republic of Slovenia, where they actually came from.

I wouldn't say it was my go-to, but at one point, I was really into exploring much of it: thankfully my library system (now nearly defunct) had loads of those artistes in their catalogues.  I think that at one point, I kind of overdosed  on avant/rock/prog bands and sort of jumped off the train, and haven't found the wish to jump back on it since.  Much of what I explored has been reviewed by me on PA, and I'm not sure that I would agree nowadays with what I wrote back then, should I relisten to those albums.

Jacob Schoolcraft wrote: I greatly enjoy the music of Art Zoyd and Univers Zero. The first Far Corner album is great and I Love Miriodor. I find Julverne fascinating.

Today, I can still spin some: 

Akinaton Ritard,

Aksak (early stuff)

Aquaserge

Alamaailman

DAAU (their latest is on ly list for 2023)

Aranis

Art Bears & Zoyd

Lindsey Cooper 

Debile Menthol/Ensemble Rayé/Nimal

Etron Fou

Far corner

Finnegan's Wake

Fire! (their latest is on my top list)

Henry Cow (and associated)

Koyry Kone

Infonie

Interference Sardine

Miriodor

Rouge Ciel

Justine/Klaxon Gueule/Wondeur G-Brass

Massacre

Zorn (the Masada stuff mainly)

Muffins

News From Babel

Panzerpappa

Plastic People

Univers Zero & Présent (most likely their respective latest will get lots of spins)

Samla MM (& further stuff)

Stormy Six

Stephen Thelen

Vortex

... and a few more

but TBH, the spins have become scarcer in recent years 

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Not as obsessively as I once did:) - all those Kerman projects I just don't listen to anymore. 

But I still love and listen to: The Residents (1972-1983), Univers Zero, Art Zoyd, Non Credo, Lard Free, Hellebore, After Dinner, Guapo, Dün, Picchio Dal Pozzo, Secret Chiefs 3, Aksak Maboul, Wha-Ha-Ha ... oh and Henry Cow of course...

would the residents be considered prog?

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Perhaps a stupid question here....Can anyone tell me what the divide is between RIO and avant garde is? Is there something stylistic? Does it come down to the lyrical content? Perhaps the political approach to the subject matter? 

Probably the only album in the RIO/Avant category I am familiar with and enjoy is Far Corner - Risk.

All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light is often sited as an album with RIO/Avant influences although they officially under Symphonic. Both albums are great. 

f//ck with

Hi,

If everything was the same, and sounded the same, I doubt that the more adventurous works would have a good/great chance at getting further and gaining some acceptance. 

A lot of the stuff that you mention, came up at a time that had a lot of adventurous artists in many disciplines and in my book, these kinda helped everyone do something different and special. Nowadays, this is very different, as you might hear something very different and completely crazy (in our words), but it only gets one comment and completely disregarded by the majority of the folks that post ... which suggests they likely do not listen to it, or might just pick and peck a little and they find what they hear not to their tastes. Not enough growl. Not enough rap. Not enough guitar screeching. Not enough high school drumming. Or worse ... talcum powder keyboards!

It is hard for many bands/folks to do something different. They need to have a strong internal constitution, and more often than not a support system of friends that help keep it alive ... and that is how "Rio" and "avant" got going ... however, let's not think that the arts never had folks being contrary and different ... there has always been a patch of these everywhere.

I tend to think that the main issue with a lot of these, is that the wording for describing these things are not there ... and the conventional words use to review things, do not help and often make a mess of comments, that in my book, hurt the music, or the art.

This was the case in the 70's ... don't think it was different now ... with one exception ... we have the ability to hear the history ... 50 years worth ... and now we have a better idea and all of a sudden things like PoiL - Poil Ueda {ap:55644} ... don't seem so far off ... and are enjoyable and far out in the same breadth,

I just think we need more of that kind of stuff ... somehow the older I get the formatted conventional music just is not interesting anymore ... it has no soul in it!

Hi

One of the things that has kept me in music all these years, is the different stuff. I was never a listener that looked for something that sounded like, or was like ... kinda thing, and this is where Guy Guden (we were roommates for a long time during the first years of Space Pirate Radio and shared music collections) was valuable and important .. .he had the knack and touch ... so even right there in 1974, he would play a full side of Klaus Schulze, or a full side of Tangerine Dream, and come back with lots of Faust, Can, Amon Duul ... and right away you knew ... what your taste and touch was ... not the same stuff as everyone else. Even stranger, and it got many comments, was hearing Magma on the air ... in 1974 on a number 1 FM station!

The value of the rio/avant and really out there stuff is ... so under rated, and very important, and this is where things like Eno, in his first albums ... was far out ... way out there as an example.

Thus, things that might be considered way out there and bizarre, sometimes, have more logic in their work than is visible, since our minds are infected with the more conventional sound ... and this is difficult to tell folks ... when you only listen to the same thing, the minute you get a piece that is harsh and different, it won't click ... 

This is the reason why sometimes I like to say ... get a Carl Stalling CD, which has some of the music used for many cartoons and see if you can pick up the visual from it ... it's really hard ... and all it says is that the ears are not quite tuned to that side of "music". And this is the huge problem in pop music and what I call the numbers music ... or the top of the pop music ... your ability to really enjoy the odd stuff takes a beating. It ends up, btw, making you re-define "music" for yourself!

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: PoiL is a really good call, you want to check out modern avant just run a top album chart using that sub-genre for recent years. Personal recommendation, black midi, modern young band really pushing the envelope

Can't believe I didn't list black midi among my favorites. Maybe because they are so recent I didn't think of them as a band I "still" listen to. It's only been three or four years since I discovered them.

For me in the last couple of years, it's kind of accidental if I discover a new band under the prog umbrella. Unfortunately (I suppose) I'm not exited for anything "prog in itself" any longer. But all these mentions of PoiL has had me curious. I started with their latest: Yosh*tsune - which I had picked up somewhere that had some relation to japanese traditional music (Heikyoku). That was really more of a selling point than Brutal Prog:). Hugely enjoyable at first listen and Junko Ueda's Biwa-playing makes all the difference to me. His singing to a lesser extent, but it fits and makes for a more intrigung listen. I'll keep going backwards from here. And I see that I have to check out their Ukandanz-project as well - because of the Ethio-Jazz link.

duchamp wrote: PrograhamLincoln wrote: So what does the OP say it stands for, since he used it? And MikeEnRegalia, thank you for asking! f//ck with

 

In  https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114818" rel="nofollow - Genesis vs The Residents , I asked which group was proggier under one's own definition of "prog".