Don't know what to make of it yet - I'm not not liking it

Loved it, it's basically "The Flashbulb" with Steven's voice in it. (you guys should check him out)

I'm curious with how the electronic drums will sound like in the other songs of the album.

is it a trap beat though? It's not like those trap rappers invented the wheel or something. 

Here's some examples of trap beats, feel free to compare them to the SW track. https://trap-beat.com/downloads/category/guitar-trap/" rel="nofollow - https://trap-beat.com/downloads/category/guitar-trap/

The Police don't know what to make of it. 

OK.

It seems we're gonna get The Future Bites part 2. 

So electronica: yes, but probably more complex than this track.

EDIT: There's a 15 second audio snippet in the message, sounds much better.

https://fb.watch/mJIhyXOJHx/" rel="nofollow - https://fb.watch/mJIhyXOJHx/

I get the feeling that SW thinks he can do anything he comes up with and wants to do, and ... it won't be an issue ... it will be liked, and folks will get it, not to mention that his live concerts are excellent and a must see.

While the vocals are nice, I really think the piece lacks "soul" ... and the dancing has a few interesting parts, but does not feel like it belongs to the song at all ... it's almost like it's there for show, and not to help the song. I was thinking that if this had Kevin Godley directing it might have a better sense of its conceptual entirety, but I think the dancing is not well defined enough to help the song ... it's very NY stylized in modern dance ... a lot of which is very empty and soul'ess. Interesting, and not bad, mind you, but in the end, you won't remember a lot of it later ... it's not like Misha or Rudy, that you remembered those flights through the air for years in your mind and wonder how they did that!

Sorry SW ... you have done a lot of great things, but this is not one of them.

Hi,

That's NOT to say that it is wrong, or bad ... that is to say that the dancing itself is not aligned with the music, very well, and most dance, other than ballet tends to align itself as well or better than possible, to ensure that folks "get it" and then can appreciate the art form.

Experimental theater, and dance, is often a serious issue and you can only see them in the big 5 (LA, NY, London, Tokyo and Paris) and no one else will ever see them or even check out a filmed portion of it, and as such a lot of the development of the dance stuff is left behind, but in the end, I wonder how much is really good enough for your eyes and mine.

You know what this video needed? BOB FOSSE ... and tell SW to shut up in the design of the dancing!, and the supposed "meaning" ... which is not clear at all!

 

Have only listed to the one song.  Maybe the rest is better - waiting to see.  If it is more of the same, I am likely done with the guy and his music.  Better if he just sticks with remixing 5.1 albums of the past instead of spewing out more It Bites stuff.

Apparently...the blocks on the floor in the video are the same 'color blocks' that are on the new album cover.

Impossible Tightrope is more Raven than Future Bites but that's all I've heard so far.

I can't say is a bad. Its HORRIBLE .....

Hi....

Every songs are songs! I talked about one of my heroes song . I expect more so far . If its not from SW , I never wrote anything about it

Why?! when an artist release new stuffs , all fans can talk about it . The important thing is "Honest Opinion" IMHO apart of who is him/her....

BTW the last comment about the 90's, I would say it goes back a lot earlier to pre punk. New Wave forced people to take sides and it's been like that ever since. Before 1977 music was just music until a bunch of miserable self serving individuals decided that talent didn't matter anymore. (Rant over)

MikeEnRegalia wrote: I loved how people were in the 90s, when differing opinions were still allowed.

I guess in the nineties also fewer people would've claimed that their opinion is "not allowed" when all that happened was they met some opposition... but then, what do I know?

As well how did this get publicized back in the 70's? In my experience it was coming from the music mags like Creem, Circus, Rolling Stone and then we heard any discussions on the FM with DJs bantering back and forth. Only way for us fans to chime in was to call into the radio station and give our opinions, but usually after that fact.

It's apparent that people do feel the artist has committed such a crime today......pretty sad.

It seem that I committed a crime!!! If you can't tolerating opposite opinions , please don't make a post about your "FAV" artists. 

Looking at things from a wider perspective , an artist make his (or hers) choices and we (the fans) make a choice to listen or ignore. My point is that it's nothing to get angry about and its not a crime to make 'commercial' music or even just crap music for that matter!

I have no beef with SW. I like the album, based on the two tracks I heard. I appreciate the enormous pressure he must feel as an artist, the expectations of him delivering the impossible (something really new, but at the same time totally in line with what he has done so far). But that does not mean that I have to praise every little bit of the release or the process to market it.

I see. Thanks for your time . Honestly , I never thought about "anger". I am not angry but it seem taht my text have a lot of anger that you correctly mentioned.

Sorry if I seem like an a****le.

Thanks again

I think SW is trying very hard not to match up with any one genre in his music of late, to the point that he wants no connection to prog due to the strong opinions of that fanbase.

Specifically I'm not a fan of electronic music, call me old school in that I like real instruments, analog, acoustic instruments and he is moving more towards electronic vs acoustic, but I am open to at least hearing it...I mean I have already preordered the album so I'm committed. 

I absolutely prefer GFD and The Raven....

Ofcourse you right. I talk about myself. I listen and enjoy many from non-prog music types. In this thread we discuss about one song from SW last album. I didn't measure it with prog POV and I told my general opinion about this track. IMO its a very cheezy song . 

Hi,

Probably not gonna happen. You know how it is when the kids are smoking their first cigarette and think they are men, now! Or worse ... puffing a fake dragon, and thinking that it's good dope, which they will never try in their lives to know what the whole thing was about in those days that helped "progressive music" get started.

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I can't get your point . Your examples are not depend to talking about music. For sure , When I smoked my first cigarette , I was 40 years old!!! Please don't mix everything to proof your opinion. 

I guessed we are old enough to talk about our opinions clearly without hold to a broken branch !!!

Is it your democracy ? Is it your freedom?! If I or anyone step over PA red lines , They delete our texts . 

Don't try to show off your self as a "Soft guy" or intellectual guys. 

^ yeah but its not the opinion that the problem, it's how its expressed. There is no music objectivity. Its not a thing.

I can't say anything when I face to a reasonable text (as you wrote above). . I really appreciated . 

I never meant to attack to SW character and I just talked about "one song" and specially "Video Clip" that I saw.

Apart of PT or his solo career , He remix some great prog albums . His resume never hurt by one middle eastern guys like me negative opinion!!! I understand when some guys read where I am from , they put themselves upper than me and try to destroy me . Its not happened one or 2 turns during past 14-15 years that I joined PA. This kind of racism , push me to try to defend myself. Unfortunately its a real and it very very hard for me to handle it.

Me and guys like me are living under brutal ideologic regime and when we find a place to talk about our opinions freely , we face with racism and pre-judge about ourselves. In fact , we beaten from 2 side of the world. Its not fair IMHO.

Thanks again .... 

richardh wrote: There is no music objectivity. Its not a thing.

I have often seen that statement here, and I often have provided counter-arguments.  Maybe I'm being too literal and maybe the context was missed, but I have seen this claim so many times without an argument to support it.  I argue that one can be objective within frameworks of analyses, within music theory.  If you just mean if it's good or bad, well that tends to be subjective, but one still definitionally judge the goodness or badness depending on certain criteria.  One's enjoyment is subjective but there are objective qualities assigned to music (one might argue that there was subjectivity in determining those qualities).

One example I like to give on the "better" front is a replication challenge and on the performance level more generally.  Two pianists are presented with, say,  Liszt's Piano Sonata in B Minor.  The better one is set to be the one that performs most accurately according to the sheet music.  One is an acclaimed concert pianist, the other is a three year old who has only just started playing the piano.  The concert pianist gives a note perfect performance, whereas the three old bangs the keys a bit.  The mother of the three year old may enjoy her child's performance more, and it may be a good attempt considering the player, but the concert pianist is objectively better within the context of the challenge.  So I think it does depend on the context and criteria.  I like to consider if I can what the composer and player was trying to achieve, and was it successful from that standpoint.  Clearly some are more skilled than others, much as some surgeons are better at performing heart surgeries than others.

What I find interesting is that we all "hear" and react to music differently because we all have physiological and psychological differences and so the experience is subjective.  That does not mean that there is nothing quantifiably objective to music, say given the way we use terms for music and what criteria we assign to kinds of music.

Again, I did not reads through the comments, but this music is all subjective is often claimed without justification and without much context.  I guess it depends what you mean.  From the perspective of music theory I would say not so much, but as soundwaves that have to be interpreted by a brain, it is subjective.

I tend to say that music appreciation is subjective rather than music itself.

Sorry do not accept this way of looking at things because its simply not practical or workable. I doubt very much that Robert Wyatt was thinking about music theory when he created Rock Bottom. The bottom line (no pun intended) is that this is a prog site and most prog rock has to be good in itself , there is a general expectation of that. I've listened to tons of prog and literally never heard anything that was badly written or played, only stuff that was either weak on ideas or just so weird that I don't get it. Perhaps I don't like the production or it can come across as amateurish but I realised a long time ago that even this doesnt matter if there is something there I like. It can be the raw emotion or something in the lyrics that I connect with. Other people could easily write off something like IQ's The Wake for the reasons stated. 'Genesis on a Walkman' was one scathing comment back in the day that I read in a music magazine. Strange that after a year it became my favourite album and had great meaning to me. That is the beauty of music in a nutshell.

Of course bands/artists can easily veer off in directions that tend to take them away from expectation but its quite possible to do this without it being bad. Maybe lack of ideas is a problem sometimes and then what we are talking about is that the music ceases to be within our genre and becomes 'pop'. Still doesnt mean its bad objectively speaking.

I'm not really trying to defend him (actually think he's a bit of a bell end but then I think that about Fripp and Waters as well tbh) and realise that I am being a bit 'thought police' in my comment (wouldnt call it racism as such), but also I got the impression that you were not sure yourself about your own comments and so I just answered your question. For sure I can't imagine what it's like to live in your country and we in the west tend to take our freedoms and privileges way too much for granted. It quite annoys me actually that many here in the UK don't vote and take little interest in politics when in so many countries you have no real way to change the system or the regime you live under. Honestly I wish you the best and hope you can keep coming here and discussing prog (but preferably please with a little less of the 'wtf' type posting )

Thanks a lot. I am here and I will discuss here . PA like "home" for me. I joined PA from 2009 .

Hi...

Racism have 1000 faces. Ofcourse no one never come here and attack to others because of their color or nationality clearly ! They use different strategies to attack and destroy another one . 

I am here from 2009 . When I wrote a text and some guys attack to me so overrated , or they put themselves upper than me and try to show me as an angry wild guy because of my 2 lines text , Its clear for me they are not honest and they have a meant behind of "Just Musical opinion" .

Believe it or not , its a bitter real in everywhere.