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Top 120 Neo Prog Albums of All Time

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Topic: Top 120 Neo Prog Albums of All Time
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Top 120 Neo Prog Albums of All Time
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 04:18
This is Rate Your Music's list of the Top 120 Neo Prog albums of all time. Thumbs Up

  1.  4 stars 1987: Marillion - Clutching at Straws - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZSj97j2ofIKq5xlVB5BKBp" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZSj97j2ofIKq5xlVB5BKBp
  2.  3 stars 1985: Marillion - Misplaced Childhood - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZBUXGtztXiW6tnNWNsK3bp" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZBUXGtztXiW6tnNWNsK3bp
  3.  5 stars 1983: Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYO9m_YiZnLF4CPjxkF2Cam" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYO9m_YiZnLF4CPjxkF2Cam
  4.  4 stars 1984: Marillion - Fugazi - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZ0oFXT8RUfpgr-I-2vYIXg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZ0oFXT8RUfpgr-I-2vYIXg
  5.  4 stars 1993: IQ - Ever -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLB2_ddDKrQ4Fk9qnxPVdzv" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLB2_ddDKrQ4Fk9qnxPVdzv
  6.  4 stars 2004: IQ - Dark Matter -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpI38CsnvYYrsnfDU5UI9q1y" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpI38CsnvYYrsnfDU5UI9q1y
  7.  5 stars 1996: Pendragon - The Masquerade Overture -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUPs8D55DP7GCTRSM2Pddw3UFZJmKYUfj" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUPs8D55DP7GCTRSM2Pddw3UFZJmKYUfj
  8.  5 stars 1993: Pendragon - The Window of Life -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lDQUkhpfsA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lDQUkhpfsA
  9.  5 stars 2003: Arena - Contagion -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_myT56-Ask1S37Ko9u6aP6zSon0dun6zEM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_myT56-Ask1S37Ko9u6aP6zSoN0dun6zEM
 10. 5 stars 1997: IQ - Subterranea -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLU7KfuZgEwR7lPT2xNjU53" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLU7KfuZgEwR7lPT2xNjU53
 11. 5 stars 2000: IQ - The Seventh House -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLUWnyys630jZzmjnExS-Eg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLUWnyys630jZzmjnExS-Eg
 12. 4 stars 2000: Arena - Immortal? -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNXBB1FImtecf23QT_b8Ng7_ofG7SZ7vo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNXBB1FImtecf23QT_b8Ng7_ofG7SZ7vo
 13. 4 stars 1998: Arena - The Visitor -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lV_6WrC0UVywzQCkf4MdMfSPO3Ips2FCo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lV_6WrC0UVywzQCkf4MdMfSPO3Ips2FCo
 14. 5 stars 2001: Pendragon - Not of This World -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXOXF3eG4urP2iz6VQmuE8bmIiB7auiAe" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXOXF3eG4urP2iz6VQmuE8bmIiB7auiAe
 15. 3 stars 2006: Frost* - Milliontown -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaTWy5lc3bZj0U04kFEArZ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaTWy5lc3bZj0U04kFEArZ -
 16. 4 stars 1989: Marillion - Seasons End - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYdmEYiEd0bPyHFWtC8T9y7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYdmEYiEd0bPyHFWtC8T9y7
 17. 4 stars 1990: Fish - Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMVag1y9L4oOgK_gfnmIfQ6Kj3ceVmb9E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMVag1y9L4oOgK_gfnmIfQ6Kj3ceVmb9E
 18. 5 stars 2004: Magenta - Seven -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLxo1bk1tN9bv_UvqX5cGn1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLxo1bk1tN9bv_UvqX5cGn1
 19. 5 stars 2007: Galahad - Empires Never Last -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lizRZ06AO-krwtJMVgiYaYqjQxMwPVuFU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lizRZ06AO-krwtJMVgiYaYqjQxMwPVuFU
 20. 5 stars 2001: Magenta - Revolutions -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpIe3T-MrH1EqR942YNj9Pwr" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpIe3T-MrH1EqR942YNj9Pwr
 21. 3 stars 1982: Twelfth Night - Fact and Fiction -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLmIu5oMNBdFumgD1EAAyWe" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLmIu5oMNBdFumgD1EAAyWe
 22. 4 stars 2007: Satellite - Into the Night
 23. 5 stars 1994: Collage - Moonshine -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4huhmXEPujs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4huhmXEPujs
 24. 4 stars 1992: Jadis - More Than Meets the Eye -   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPr4-TZHXC7lEUtfDUCOWwF8mWlIHsXaU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPr4-TZHXC7lEUtfDUCOWwF8mWlIHsXaU
 25. 4 stars 2009: IQ - Frequency -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpK9uvaexI1otGSLVcc7Zrn0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpK9uvaexI1otGSLVcc7Zrn0
 26. 4 stars 1985: IQ - The Wake -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLVeQ_HAjc7ZEL4niJBvoZ6" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLVeQ_HAjc7ZEL4niJBvoZ6
 27. 4 stars 2012: Mystery - The World is a Game -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijMsfboD2p0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijMsfboD2p0
 28. 3 stars 2008: Frost* - Experiments in Mass Appeal -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYQePPBRr8surVblr86jmQi" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYQePPBRr8surVblr86jmQi
 29. 4 stars 2008: It Bites - The Tall Ships -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mKoyk5NRUOqI9fo61i2P2s4uv105228aY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mKoyk5NRUOqI9fo61i2P2s4uv105228aY
 30. 4 stars 2008: Pendragon - Pure -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8C9FD963960C03DB" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8C9FD963960C03DB
 31. 4 stars 2005: Arena - Pepper's Ghost -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW8-qNtbQFzrbxPnT8-EPo_aQnoBEY57U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW8-qNtbQFzrbxPnT8-EPo_aQnoBEY57U
 32. 4 stars 1983: Tales from the Lush Attic -   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLIV22ZKmLpN4YTA2a2R8ny" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLIV22ZKmLpN4YTA2a2R8ny
 33. 3 stars 1997: Fish - Sunsets On Empire -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nKsQdmusgAYwhdtE1fIKrEgsZjIt2Cw4I" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nKsQdmusgAYwhdtE1fIKrEgsZjIt2Cw4I
 34. 5 stars 2014: IQ - The Road of Bones -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpIIAFnD5oW5Fd0pG4xrJ4mS" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpIIAFnD5oW5Fd0pG4xrJ4mS
 35. 5 stars 1991: Pendragon - The World -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRLcDlUjyCU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRLcDlUjyCU
 36. 4 stars 2003: Satellite - A Street Between Sunrise and Sunset -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHa53CX3Ww" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHa53CX3Ww
 37. 5 stars 1984: Pallas - The Sentinel -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLcpeZ4mTlBspQfPJcAsh94" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLcpeZ4mTlBspQfPJcAsh94
 38. 4 stars 2005: Satellite - Evening Games -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95VBfqMS5J8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95VBfqMS5J8
 39. 5 stars 2000: RPWL - God Has Failed -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMs8ADGKNrzJx2DJElFqdhXjaqGN2xUas" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMs8ADGKNrzJx2DJElFqdhXjaqGN2xUas
 40. 5 stars 2006: Magenta - Home -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKS0fMqXsgBwG9NIf68a7mB" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKS0fMqXsgBwG9NIf68a7mB
 41. 5 stars 1995: Arena - Songs from the Lion's Cage -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mWD3neilwkfPLXcOKjQnp8aET0I1Ym9sM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mWD3neilwkfPLXcOKjQnp8aET0I1Ym9sM
 42. 5 stars 2008: Magenta - Metamorphosis -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpJDG_UUWBs2xdA7BjpugLLs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpJDG_UUWBs2xdA7BjpugLLs
 43. 3 stars 1999: Fish - Raingods with Zippos -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntAQCrqv2lFXFOzSoPKC4BPFzsQew9y_Y" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntAQCrqv2lFXFOzSoPKC4BPFzsQew9y_Y
 44. 5 stars 2011: Subsignal - Touchstones -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRsRnp82iaJH2V3VeFkYrOI1Cv_njlB9P" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRsRnp82iaJH2V3VeFkYrOI1Cv_njlB9P
 45. 5 stars 2013: Comedy of Errors - Fanfare & Fantasy -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMs2Mk1VbdXh1AngcFRSXyKG5i8JoHaEw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMs2Mk1VbdXh1AngcFRSXyKG5i8JoHaEw
 46. 5 stars 2020: Pendragon - Love Over Fear 
 47. 4 stars 2006: Sylvan - Presets -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1BS4T8K2Sg2Tb2AZ3eENyIBdWza2K8os" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1BS4T8K2Sg2Tb2AZ3eENyIBdWza2K8os
 48. 5 stars 2019: IQ - Resistance -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpL62ziaIk-J_IQDNKqbL_Bi" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpL62ziaIk-J_IQDNKqbL_Bi
 49. 4 stars 2003: Galleon - From Land to Ocean -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lS3HxlSjXLrmS-rjv2mEvjLkH15XLOTiA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lS3HxlSjXLrmS-rjv2mEvjLkH15XLOTiA
 50. 4 stars 2018: Arena - Double Vision -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nj51TVrBj3Ubol5R5-FG950gaVskWySIg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nj51TVrBj3Ubol5R5-FG950gaVskWySIg
 51. 4 stars 1996: Quidam - Quidam -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRIamHbTHMI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRIamHbTHMI
 52. 4 stars 2011: Anubis - A Tower of Silence -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYkUwOicxPKlviPeYuLbP3ji4nweuDyIE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nYkUwOicxPKlviPeYuLbP3ji4nweuDyIE
 53. 4 stars 2015: Arena - The Unquiet  Sky -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1yUZZG5v21cFYNDI1fF2byJEWyc1MJ1E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1yUZZG5v21cFYNDI1fF2byJEWyc1MJ1E
 54. 3 stars 1988: It Bites - Once Around the World -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lTlw6OMpzeIQf86IfcOSGE9Nd3SLaNifk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lTlw6OMpzeIQf86IfcOSGE9Nd3SLaNifk
 55. 3 stars 1983: Pablo El Entarrador - Pablo El Entarrador -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVHyj5fX0Iw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVHyj5fX0Iw
 56. 4 stars 2020: Logos - Sadako e le mille gru di carta -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntxpYoCKNQ38_FDE0wFln8Wcgb7KoIb6w" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntxpYoCKNQ38_FDE0wFln8Wcgb7KoIb6w
 57. 5 stars 2007: Knight Area - Under a New Sign -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_monqR7_vZun6C9B43PnUumgXudJ-DUz9w" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_monqR7_vZun6C9B43PnUumgXudJ-DUz9w
 58. 4 stars 2005: Kino - Picture -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL46AE174AB19CD7F0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL46AE174AB19CD7F0
 59. 4 stars 2011: Arena - The Seventh Degree of Separation -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m_rTXGMgfWxZl0ZifVSy9b2VQfsF1H8WU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m_rTXGMgfWxZl0ZifVSy9b2VQfsF1H8WU
 60. 5 stars 2005: Pallas - The Dreams of Men -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKOAiRHjfQmqbxzsT8KZtOE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKOAiRHjfQmqbxzsT8KZtOE
 61. 4 stars 1990: Collage - Basnie -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnJUmEBUCxF8WC2h1y7oRU8VMY8wvjlmT" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnJUmEBUCxF8WC2h1y7oRU8VMY8wvjlmT
 62. 5 stars 2014: Pendragon - Men Who Climb Mountains -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLix6azk3cllYQutUKbLOvLQyz0UXGHdqh" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLix6azk3cllYQutUKbLOvLQyz0UXGHdqh
 63. 4 stars 1991: Fish - Internal Exile -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kcxX1Jx6VNLWeqAOVSG2SkIN519ONnulA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kcxX1Jx6VNLWeqAOVSG2SkIN519ONnulA
 64. 5 stars 1996: Arena - Pride -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lY9CdTgjaTd8ElJfLCGfZV_y-oMKTUouQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lY9CdTgjaTd8ElJfLCGfZV_y-oMKTUouQ
 65. 5 stars 2012: Galahad - Beyond the Realms of Euphoria -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoRNXsrOuZ-VmsMVzVmu1hVu3dGhZctbv" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoRNXsrOuZ-VmsMVzVmu1hVu3dGhZctbv
 66. 3 stars 1983: Eddie Jobson /Zinc - The Green Album -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lW25qeD2Dmt904srf36qfr1UIV47-sQ8w" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lW25qeD2Dmt904srf36qfr1UIV47-sQ8w
 67. 5 stars 2001: Pallas - The Cross & the Crucible -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKSPwLBWy-Z8KH7dzCuO8Us" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKSPwLBWy-Z8KH7dzCuO8Us
 68. 4 stars 2011: Pendragon - Passion -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFXrsVDC8Iw-a75h4xabfhLedaMUBibWk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFXrsVDC8Iw-a75h4xabfhLedaMUBibWk
 69. 5 stars 1981  Osiris - Osiris -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXk3dAPEx9A" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXk3dAPEx9A
 70. 4 stars 1996: Abraxas - Abraxas -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1yKl96-yiMURKGqWoTuZblvvJY-niNlO" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1yKl96-yiMURKGqWoTuZblvvJY-niNlO
 71. 3 stars 2016: Frost* - Falling Satellites -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYrABYXNP6GDnnu_FM_rcx1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYrABYXNP6GDnnu_FM_rcx1
 72. 4 stars 2005: Pendragon - Believe
 73. 4 stars 1985: Pendragon - The Jewel -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdFgsky5Xo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdFgsky5Xo
 74. 5 stars 2009: Knight Area - Realm of Shadows -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_na4YaNhs_TnFd_CX8_v_VWmRE_wx0t-cM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_na4YaNhs_TnFd_CX8_v_VWmRE_wx0t-cM
 75. 4 stars 1982: East - Huseg -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kzEWACzZVf2W2VjZuzb-V605vS00CZ0rM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kzEWACzZVf2W2VjZuzb-V605vS00CZ0rM
 76. 4 stars 1994: Citizen Cain - Somewhere But Yesterday -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ljpYQW3kKi_sfmYyUvaThutakDIIRQ-rA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ljpYQW3kKi_sfmYyUvaThutakDIIRQ-rA
 77. 5 stars 1997: Clepsydra - Fears -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kP9fQjkxi5Ug-tc_rzl0PxWoa9WNn2mdI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kP9fQjkxi5Ug-tc_rzl0PxWoa9WNn2mdI
 78. 5 stars 1995: Iluvatar - Children -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9CD595DC59A17E34" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9CD595DC59A17E34
 79. 5 stars 2006: Proto-Kaw - The Wait of Glory -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMOvF5X8jSU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMOvF5X8jSU
 80. 4 stars 2007: The Gourishankar - 2nd Hands -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kH4qohLoIRZiLNxBTe7vgsFldA5L3UDEU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kH4qohLoIRZiLNxBTe7vgsFldA5L3UDEU
 81. 4 stars 2013: Cosmograf - The Man Left in Space -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqSqej01bW7MCvCZrGLan17OX_2JYxXcg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqSqej01bW7MCvCZrGLan17OX_2JYxXcg
 82. 4 stars 1995:  Aufklarung - De la tempesta.... L'oscuro piacere -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpJP2dZWAcc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpJP2dZWAcc
 83. 4 stars 2005: Carptree - Man Made Machine -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mnmbsbqMTAVG_uCNnZkaAWl0la2HTrzwY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mnmbsbqMTAVG_uCNnZkaAWl0la2HTrzwY
 84. 4 stars 2021: Sylvan - One to Zero -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lz6D2sMnaPtfIzRbmaG2jdJhjY2M2rAbQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lz6D2sMnaPtfIzRbmaG2jdJhjY2M2rAbQ
 85. 4 stars 2006: Mindgames - Actors in a Play -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lz5hN8JHlpWokUBTzGCOfU-Nsfy1nKTTg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lz5hN8JHlpWokUBTzGCOfU-Nsfy1nKTTg
 86. 5 stars 2009: Satellite - Nostalgia -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvoGQrPvZJc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvoGQrPvZJc
 87. 5 stars 2012: Galahad - Battle Scars -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0oZA0AtBNhkKhb_ws6xR1wmOlCDnQiQE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0oZA0AtBNhkKhb_ws6xR1wmOlCDnQiQE
 88. 5 stars 1994: Jadis - Across the Water -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldWSYJ9taW5XPCGCKTeOqavwNSwTs_M70" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldWSYJ9taW5XPCGCKTeOqavwNSwTs_M70
 89. 5 stars 2001: Clepsydra - Alone -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2Zb4PRO0L8Cw3KaF_doUYrPsBxBX5ySg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2Zb4PRO0L8Cw3KaF_doUYrPsBxBX5ySg
 90. 4 stars 2020: Lazuli - Le fantastique envol di Dieter Bohm -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mNQIBYbyu0vSArR_xbxR3Xbc2Ew8d123g" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mNQIBYbyu0vSArR_xbxR3Xbc2Ew8d123g
 91. 3 stars 1989: It Bites - Eat Me in St. Louis -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m00qE88G8xPBT0yBVvrDtUm-m4ENpmNe8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m00qE88G8xPBT0yBVvrDtUm-m4ENpmNe8
 92. 4 stars 1997: Timothy Pure - Blood of the Berry -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kRo5az6Y2OSgvBdJdGlifLhFKm89sRA9o" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kRo5az6Y2OSgvBdJdGlifLhFKm89sRA9o
 93. 4 stars 2014: Anubis - Hitchhiking to Byzantium -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l26i9XQEIX8L6WX27TFdU6FKJLb6jb_T4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l26i9XQEIX8L6WX27TFdU6FKJLb6jb_T4
 94. 4 stars 1994: Discipline - Push & Profit -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FLxajeSGICaxmyNqMQJ8GepzaTPI_mB" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FLxajeSGICaxmyNqMQJ8GepzaTPI_mB
 95. 5 stars 2004: Knight Area - The Sun Also Rises -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAgomwrBEED1wWMb5shGIIFl8JoKzOSvM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAgomwrBEED1wWMb5shGIIFl8JoKzOSvM
 96. 4 stars 2002: Quidam - Pod niebem czas -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mZ7trOeQGgA7EU1rH7_tjY1MTJBOMOsHk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mZ7trOeQGgA7EU1rH7_tjY1MTJBOMOsHk
 97. 4 stars 1994: Fish - Suits -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nX-iR-GrL-c22byiH0zUdojkc1oJII9XU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nX-iR-GrL-c22byiH0zUdojkc1oJII9XU
 98. 4 stars 2012: It Bites - Map of the Past -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nOftrBgE98mh8eVpEtz8ViNeeLuLO2YC8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nOftrBgE98mh8eVpEtz8ViNeeLuLO2YC8
 99. 5 stars 2008: Abel Ganz - Shooting Albatross -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZponSTA09xnlmNI45uQdK7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZponSTA09xnlmNI45uQdK7
100 4 stars 2003: Kayak - Merlin: Bard of the Unseen -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lK_nHO5USWshwvHDWOPLvGSeRxM9nveWI" rel="nofollow -  2017: Magenta - We Are Legend -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLBCN6ASIjRnhyuESyR2k0y" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpLBCN6ASIjRnhyuESyR2k0y
102 3 stars 1987: IQ - Nomzamo -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpIBzGs044oorog2gXGfiXoi" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpIBzGs044oorog2gXGfiXoi
103 4 stars 2011: Comedy of Errors - Disobey -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ltyzGbaVBR4by_QwOp0xtRWMAGsqSwafM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ltyzGbaVBR4by_QwOp0xtRWMAGsqSwafM
104 4 stars 2004: K2 - Book of the Dead -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbnOEmGpb0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbnOEmGpb0
105 4 stars 1998: Abraxas - Centurie -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw2mTv7Of74" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw2mTv7Of74
106 5 stars 2002: Galahad - Year Zero -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nonfej-_QC1QXt7GgE9qbGqQxB1MhJxhc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nonfej-_QC1QXt7GgE9qbGqQxB1MhJxhc
107 5 stars 1994: Clepsydra - More Grains of Sand -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_loqM2TiK6OTK5P03qPqmmPQfiSyqq6Io8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_loqM2TiK6OTK5P03qPqmmPQfiSyqq6Io8
108 4 stars 2003: Jadis - Fanatic -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIgvdsABrqPWsSLTtHNo_TCgNt9HzdHZs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIgvdsABrqPWsSLTtHNo_TCgNt9HzdHZs
109 4 stars 2011: Pallas - XXV -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKb_h3tMMdpRuZI6H-jgA-H" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpKb_h3tMMdpRuZI6H-jgA-H
110 4 stars 1999: Abraxas - 99 -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPv9jVj9Qi4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPv9jVj9Qi4
111 4 stars 2021: Drifting Sun - Forsaken Innocence -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR9TgcNbp0E" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR9TgcNbp0E
112 5 stars 2011: Knight Area - Nine Paths -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AlfY7SJUGs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AlfY7SJUGs
113 4 stars 1995: Unicorn - Emotional Wasteland -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbfbcJP3Y30" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbfbcJP3Y30
114 4 stars 2000: Sylvan - Encounters -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kNsQt4MSO4K7iDGMSDNhKziCD76uqrS-s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kNsQt4MSO4K7iDGMSDNhKziCD76uqrS-s
115 4 stars 2008: Millenium - Exist -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlV1FMfBPgY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlV1FMfBPgY
116 4 stars 1998: Pallas - Beat the Drum -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpJLqSNq8yYrMqdMFS1Q59rE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_TaS3ukydpJLqSNq8yYrMqdMFS1Q59rE
117 4 stars 2014: Cosmograf - Capacitor -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJXxEmIYCmu9376F02UC9CD5GyPGjOiGM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJXxEmIYCmu9376F02UC9CD5GyPGjOiGM
118 4 stars 2011: DeeExpus - King of Number 33 -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mLuFOvSIdU-uT121bisdvjIO8qb05rI3U" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mLuFOvSIdU-uT121bisdvjIO8qb05rI3U
119 4 stars 2016: Southern Empire - Southern Empire -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-GOIPoioyw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-GOIPoioyw
120 5 stars 1996: Collage - Safe -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix0NmwOAb68" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix0NmwOAb68



I'm surprised to see Echolyn & Spock's Beard aren't included in the list. Wink



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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 05:08
Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed

A couple of those I wouldn't consider neo-prog, but hey, other listeners must or it wouldn't be that way on RYM.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 05:15
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed

Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 05:35
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


62 here... Wink


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 05:46
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


why would you be embarrassed? Confused


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:02
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


why would you be embarrassed? Confused

I'm not actually, but there is a segment of the forum population that oozes elitism and tends to look down their noses at neo-prog as some sort of peasantry in the prog landscape and they make their disdain of it known in many a thread here. Thus my sentence was a bit of a joke and a little knock at that elitism. Hopefully this doesn't ruffle any feathers (I think it's known here that I love both neo/symph and avant simultaneously).




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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:10
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm surprised to see Echolyn & Spock's Beard aren't included in the list. Wink
Neither Echolyn or Spock's Beard are neo-prog.

I'm surprised there is no Sanguine Hum, The Psychedelic Ensemble, or Lifesigns on the list. Good to see K2 made the list.


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:15
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


why would you be embarrassed? Confused

I'm not actually, but there is a segment of the forum population that oozes elitism and tends to look down their noses at neo-prog as some sort of peasantry in the prog landscape and they make their disdain of it known in many a thread here. Thus my sentence was a bit of a joke and a little knock at that elitism. Hopefully this doesn't ruffle any feathers (I think it's known here that I love both neo/symph and avant simultaneously).



I own about a quarter of the 120 but have heard almost all.
While I value and respect those who cherish and seek to emulate (and preserve) the sounds and styles of the past (like Neo and Retro artists), I get excited for the new edges forward-thinking boundary pushers come up with--these are the minds and spirits I wish to commend and celebrate more.



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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:17
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed

Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi

I also own 2, both by IQ.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:18
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed
why would you be embarrassed? Confused
I'm not actually, but there is a segment of the forum population that oozes elitism and tends to look down their noses at neo-prog as some sort of peasantry in the prog landscape and they make their disdain of it known in many a thread here. Thus my sentence was a bit of a joke and a little knock at that elitism. Hopefully this doesn't ruffle any feathers (I think it's known here that I love both neo/symph and avant simultaneously).

I know, I've been mocked for enjoying Marillion and a few other neo-prog bands a few times. Also for loving Camel and progressive metal, but that's another story. 


Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:20
I have 45 of those Big smile

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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:22
Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing MilliontownSeven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 06:50
I own 0 of these


Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 07:12
I own five:


55. Pablo El Entarrador - Pablo El Entarrador (Symphonic)

56. Logos - Sadako e le mille gru di carta (RPI)

69. Osiris - Osiris 

83. Carptree - Man Made Machine

90. Lazuli - Le fantastique envol di Dieter Bohm (Eclectic)


Only two of those are considered Neo Prog in PA, so I had a look at an equivalent chart (I assume) here. From the PA top 120 Neo Prog albums, I own only four, but three are from one artist:


50. Chris - Days of Summer Gone

72. t - Solipsystemology

80. t - Psychoanorexia

89. t - Anti-Matter Poetry




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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 07:18
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Only two of those are considered Neo Prog in PA, so I had a look at an equivalent chart (I assume) here. From the PA top 120 Neo Prog albums, I own only four, but three are from one artist:


50. Chris - Days of Summer Gone

72. t - Solipsystemology

80. t - Psychoanorexia

89. t - Anti-Matter Poetry



On PA's top 120 I own

IQ - The Road Of Bones
IQ - Frequency
Asturias - Fractals 


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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 08:32
96 of the 120 but please tell the judges that I have a massive collection (I started in 1969) so it's all a question of proportions LOL. BTW, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Neo-Prog ! 

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 11:19
My Neo Prog Top 10

1. Mostly Autumn
2. Magenta 
3. Edison's Children
4. Like Wendy
5. Differences
6. Osiris
7. Pallas
8. Solstice
9. Pendragon
10. Arena

Where's Marillion?  They're at #12 in my list, just below Abel Ganz, even though Fugazi & Misplaced Childhood are the only two Neo Prog albums I have on CD. Wacko

Bizarrely, Marillion's highly-acclaimed Brave & Marbles albums didn't even make it into the RYM Top 120. Ouch


Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 11:45
Marillion and Pallas aside, as far as we were concerned in 1985, neo-prog was best represented on that 'Fire and Harmony' compilation album which caught the spirit of the age.  And then it was suddenly over following 'The Wake'...


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 11:51
Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Marillion and Pallas aside, as far as we were concerned in 1985, neo-prog was best represented on that 'Fire and Harmony' compilation album which caught the spirit of the age.  And then it was suddenly over following 'The Wake'...

I'd never even heard of IQ before I joined ProgArchives. Embarrassed


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 11:54
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


62 here... Wink
You both have more Neo Prog albums than I've actually listened to in the Top 120 list, so I have a lot of catching up to do. Embarrassed


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 16:12
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed
Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi
I also own 2, both by IQ.

Okay, then I dare to tell that I can join this club, and I'm not embarrassed, but on the other hand, I'm fond of having the two which are:

Marillion - Script
Pendragon - The Jewel 


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 17:38
I'll have to get out a pen and a sheet of paper. ;)

I actually do have some of them (maybe ten).


Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: September 15 2022 at 17:55
19 due to Marillion, Fish, and IQ. Plus a couple of Magenta. As a genre, I really wasn't compelled to get try any neo-prog outside of Marillion and IQ.


Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 03:26
Neo-prog existed very briefly, from around 81-85 with much of it centred on the Marquee Club in London.  A number of bands did not get anything out at all (although check out the above mentioned 'Fire in Harmony' compilation or had cassette tape releases).  It was all very DIY.  The wonderful 'Twice Bitten' never got an official release, along with many others.  Anyway, the Marquee was the epicentre of it all and I got there very late in the day - to see Solstice and Haze in January 84.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 03:30
Seems like a reasonable list. Nice to see lots of Pendragon there although I would have expected Love Over Fear to be above some of their other albums.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:02
Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Neo-prog existed very briefly, from around 81-85 with much of it centred on the Marquee Club in London.

When you're so sure about the definition of this sub-genre, I'd like to hear what it is based on. Tongue


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:04
Last FM's Top 40 List of Neo Prog Bands

 1. IQ
 2. Pendragon
 3. Arena
 4. Marillion
 5. Satellite
 6. Pallas
 7. Collage 
 8. The Tangent
 9. Echolyn
10. Fish 
11. Jadis 
12. Believe
13. It Bites
14. Spock's Beard
15. Frost*
16. The Watch
17. Gazpacho
18. Moongarden
19. RPWL
20. Clepsydra
21. The Flower Kings
22. The Reasoning
23. Little Atlas
24. Galahad
25. KingBathMat
26. Mansun
27. Sylvan
28. IT
29. Discipline
30. Millenium
31. Presto Ballet
32. Magenta
33. Quidam
34. Mindgames
35. Martigan
36. Galleon
37. Illuvatar
38. Knight Area
39. Anubis
40. Comedy of Errors

I prefer Last.FM's list, mainly because it includes Discipline, Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard amongst Neo Prog bands, even though I'm not a fan of any of those bands. Wacko 

From my perspective, Neo Prog is really just another name for a new generation of Symphonic Prog. Big smile


Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:05
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Neo-prog existed very briefly, from around 81-85 with much of it centred on the Marquee Club in London.

When you're so sure about the definition of this sub-genre, I'd like to hear what it is based on. Tongue

Having lived through it?


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:07
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Neo-prog existed very briefly, from around 81-85 with much of it centred on the Marquee Club in London.

When you're so sure about the definition of this sub-genre, I'd like to hear what it is based on. Tongue

He's referring to the English neo-prog scene and I'll have to believe him, but in the late 80-early 90s the scene revived and in the 90s a new wave of bands appeared. 
Also neo-prog was not exclusively British, there were bands in other countries as well. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:23
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Neo-prog existed very briefly, from around 81-85 with much of it centred on the Marquee Club in London.

When you're so sure about the definition of this sub-genre, I'd like to hear what it is based on. Tongue

He's referring to the English neo-prog scene and I'll have to believe him, but in the late 80-early 90s the scene revived and in the 90s a new wave of bands appeared. 
Also neo-prog was not exclusively British, there were bands in other countries as well. 
There's a couple of Neo Prog bands on the RYM & Last.FM list from eastern Europe that I'm looking forward to checking out:- Satellite & Collage. I haven't listened to them yet, but I expect they'll be well-Polished. Tongue


Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:30
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Neo-prog existed very briefly, from around 81-85 with much of it centred on the Marquee Club in London.

When you're so sure about the definition of this sub-genre, I'd like to hear what it is based on. Tongue

He's referring to the English neo-prog scene and I'll have to believe him, but in the late 80-early 90s the scene revived and in the 90s a new wave of bands appeared. 
Also neo-prog was not exclusively British, there were bands in other countries as well. 

At the time, it didn't feel like an international movement and I don't recall bands from other countries coming in.  Neo-prog was characterised by a DIY, almost post-punk ethic, and only Marillion attained commercial success and were the only band that the wider music public were conscious of.  Pallas were the only other band signed up by a major label.  What came later was a revival, as you point out, which does not seem to be linked to a particular place or movement.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:30
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

There's a couple of Neo Prog bands on the RYM & Last.FM list from eastern Europe that I'm looking forward to checking out:- Satellite & Collage. I haven't listened to them yet, but I expect they'll be well-Polished. Tongue

Poland has a really good neo-prog scene, a lot of good stuff, definitely worth exploring. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:39
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

There's a couple of Neo Prog bands on the RYM & Last.FM list from eastern Europe that I'm looking forward to checking out:- Satellite & Collage. I haven't listened to them yet, but I expect they'll be well-Polished. Tongue

Poland has a really good neo-prog scene, a lot of good stuff, definitely worth exploring. 
Djiekuje! I'm just hoping Collage & Satellite both sing in English, as I doubt if there are many people outside of Poland who understand Polish. Smile 


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:43
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

There's a couple of Neo Prog bands on the RYM & Last.FM list from eastern Europe that I'm looking forward to checking out:- Satellite & Collage. I haven't listened to them yet, but I expect they'll be well-Polished. Tongue

Poland has a really good neo-prog scene, a lot of good stuff, definitely worth exploring. 
Djiekuje! I'm just hoping Collage & Satellite both sing in English, as I doubt if there are many people outside of Poland who understand Polish. Smile 

Satellite sing in English. 
Collage has albums in English and a few in Polish. Moonshine (1994) is a must listen. 

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=18&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=162&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=65&y=8#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=18&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=162&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=65&y=8#list


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:44
Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo Prog. Smile




Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:47
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo Prog. Smile


Let me tell you again, since you're baiting me again - I disagree, and many others will to. Let it go, please. 


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 04:59
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304355726883?epid=1805604512&hash=item46dd03d623:g:~PkAAOSwXPhiCgLr&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8LZoS2DRfA1nj%2BrxXqgUFgfgNBkL4GO0Q8jxNBPpEzQ7DjUuU4hkPKtiBndtx8G5inEQYWrxK67YcG6ov5h2YAM69fzWpKES0A7rAxzzuXRAe7kHQmiFnjPQfkKDMcsH0IkKTzl1sknwrT9Ps7KNcJlv0y6acII5ixI%2F%2FoHo9I6BHrp%2B5lBVF9Hqg9wR8uAmnWurvlsP8QYv70Vma81vQTdzmLFtthHyaaozcWWvstxv0nrCjakL8t4ofIFsZgtm8BQRFEik0O35UvCFsaqy93W%2FJVIWkmTUx6giXr2dkPO1u60XhrIqrsINTI8YyY%2BO9g%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBM4qKU3-hg" rel="nofollow - Satellite - A Street Between Sunrise 

Now Paul... click on this link and buy this album. Even you can afford this price, and you can thank me later, especially as you are often moaning that you can't build a library of affordable neo-prog... 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:06
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304355726883?epid=1805604512&hash=item46dd03d623:g:~PkAAOSwXPhiCgLr&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8LZoS2DRfA1nj%2BrxXqgUFgfgNBkL4GO0Q8jxNBPpEzQ7DjUuU4hkPKtiBndtx8G5inEQYWrxK67YcG6ov5h2YAM69fzWpKES0A7rAxzzuXRAe7kHQmiFnjPQfkKDMcsH0IkKTzl1sknwrT9Ps7KNcJlv0y6acII5ixI%2F%2FoHo9I6BHrp%2B5lBVF9Hqg9wR8uAmnWurvlsP8QYv70Vma81vQTdzmLFtthHyaaozcWWvstxv0nrCjakL8t4ofIFsZgtm8BQRFEik0O35UvCFsaqy93W%2FJVIWkmTUx6giXr2dkPO1u60XhrIqrsINTI8YyY%2BO9g%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBM4qKU3-hg" rel="nofollow - Satellite - A Street Between Sunrise 

Now Paul... click on this link and buy this album. Even you can afford this price, and you can thank me later, especially as you are often moaning that you can't build a library of affordable neo-prog... 
Thanks! It's a pity I never buy anything from Ebay, so I'll keep a look out for the album in the Satellite towns around Nottingham. Smile


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:08
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo Prog. Smile


Let me tell you again, since you're baiting me again - I disagree, and many others will to. Let it go, please. 
I don't mind you disagreeing with me again. It's when we agree on something that I begin to get worried. Tongue


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:26
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Thanks! It's a pity I never buy anything from Ebay, so I'll keep a look out for the album in the Satellite towns around Nottingham. Smile

Confused

I don't think I'm even going to try to understand that comment...

Ermm


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:32
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Thanks! It's a pity I never buy anything from Ebay, so I'll keep a look out for the album in the Satellite towns around Nottingham. Smile

Confused

I don't think I'm even going to try to understand that comment...

Ermm
Langley Mill is one of the satellite towns of Nottingham, and Langley Mill Records is where I occasionally buy CD's from when I'm out and about that way. That's where I bought Marillion's Marbles CD from, so it's as good a place as any to look for Neo Prog albums. Smile


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:43
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Bizarrely, Marillion's highly-acclaimed Brave & Marbles albums didn't even make it into the RYM Top 120. Ouch

Neither Brave nor Marbles are labelled/ tagged as Neo-Prog at RYM.  See: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/marillion" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/marillion

For Brave:

RYM Rating3.76 5.0 from 1,962 ratings
Ranked#80 for  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1994/2/#pos80" rel="nofollow - 1994 , #2,949  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/deweight:live,archival,soundtrack/74/#pos2949" rel="nofollow - overall
Genres
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/alternative-rock/" rel="nofollow - Alternative Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/rock-opera/" rel="nofollow - Rock Opera
Descriptors
atmospheric, introspective, male vocals, concept album, lonely, sombre, melodic, nocturnal, rock


For Marbles:

RYM Rating3.80 5.0 from 1,928 ratings
Ranked#21 for  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2004/#pos21" rel="nofollow - 2004 , #1,984  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/deweight:live,archival,soundtrack/50/#pos1984" rel="nofollow - overall
Genres
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/alternative-rock/" rel="nofollow - Alternative Rock
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/pop-rock/" rel="nofollow - Pop Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/post-britpop/" rel="nofollow - Post-Britpop
Descriptors
calm, introspective, melancholic, melodic, progressive, atmospheric, male vocals, mellow, concept album, soft, sombre, space, bittersweet, passionate


The Neo-Prog phase at RYM for Marillion is considered to be the 80s one, and I have seen that view echoed at PA as well.

Here is an excerpt from the Neo-Prog description at RYM (see https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/neo-prog/" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/neo-prog/   :

Originally posted by RYM RYM wrote:

Although the original scene died in the late '80s with Fish leaving Marillion and Peter Nicholls leaving IQ, the genre continued an underground following with bands like  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/pendragon" rel="nofollow - Pendragon https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/arena" rel="nofollow - Arena  and  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/galahad" rel="nofollow - Galahad  at the forefront, and creating some smaller scenes, like the '90s Polish scene of  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/abraxas_f1" rel="nofollow - Abraxas https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/collage" rel="nofollow - Collage  and  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/quidam" rel="nofollow - Quidam . Although Marillion moved further away from neo-prog, IQ continued to make albums in the style, and gained a further cult following after Peter Nicholls returned to the band.



Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:45
This is the neo-prog top 10:

1. 'Fire in Harmony' - Various
2. 'Silent Dance' - Solstice
3. 'Script for a Jester's Tear' - Marillion
4. 'The Wake' - IQ
5. 'The Sentinel' - Pallas
6. 'The Jewel' - Pendragon
7. 'Fact and Fiction' - Twelfth Night
8. 'Fugazi' - Marillion
9. 'Fire in the Sky' - Quasar
10. 'Tales from the Lush Attic' - IQ

All the rest is froth




Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:48
^^ So, let me get this straight... once, you managed to find a copy of a Marillion album in a small town outside Nottingham, therefore you think that if you bide your time, someone will deposit a moderately obscure, 20 year old Polish Neo album in the same place, when I've just shown you a cheap copy with free postage?

Paul, welcome to the mM prog bargain page... just knock yourself out:

https://www.musicmagpie.co.uk/store/category/music/genre/rock/prog-rock/?sort=price_sort%20asc&per-page=128" rel="nofollow - Buy Music Online - Second Hand CDs For Sale - musicMagpie

Approve




Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 05:59
Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ So, let me get this straight... once, you managed to find a copy of a Marillion album in a small town outside Nottingham, therefore you think that if you bide your time, someone will deposit a moderately obscure, 20 year old Polish Neo album in the same place, when I've just shown you a cheap copy with free postage?

Paul, welcome to the mM prog bargain page... just knock yourself out:

https://www.musicmagpie.co.uk/store/category/music/genre/rock/prog-rock/?sort=price_sort%20asc&per-page=128" rel="nofollow - Buy Music Online - Second Hand CDs For Sale - musicMagpie

Approve


Yes, Langley Mill Records is one of the few independent record stores that's still around and it's a large store too. Thumbs Up




Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:00
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Bizarrely, Marillion's highly-acclaimed Brave & Marbles albums didn't even make it into the RYM Top 120. Ouch

Neither Brave nor Marbles are labelled/ tagged as Neo-Prog at RYM.  See: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/marillion" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/marillion

For Brave:

RYM Rating3.76 5.0 from 1,962 ratings
Ranked#80 for  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1994/2/#pos80" rel="nofollow - 1994 , #2,949  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/deweight:live,archival,soundtrack/74/#pos2949" rel="nofollow - overall
Genres
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/alternative-rock/" rel="nofollow - Alternative Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/rock-opera/" rel="nofollow - Rock Opera
Descriptors
atmospheric, introspective, male vocals, concept album, lonely, sombre, melodic, nocturnal, rock


For Marbles:

RYM Rating3.80 5.0 from 1,928 ratings
Ranked#21 for  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2004/#pos21" rel="nofollow - 2004 , #1,984  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/deweight:live,archival,soundtrack/50/#pos1984" rel="nofollow - overall
Genres
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/alternative-rock/" rel="nofollow - Alternative Rock
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/pop-rock/" rel="nofollow - Pop Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/post-britpop/" rel="nofollow - Post-Britpop
Descriptors
calm, introspective, melancholic, melodic, progressive, atmospheric, male vocals, mellow, concept album, soft, sombre, space, bittersweet, passionate


The Neo-Prog phase at RYM for Marillion is considered to be the 80s one, and I have seen that view echoed at PA as well.

Here is an excerpt from the Neo-Prog description at RYM (see https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/neo-prog/" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/neo-prog/   :

Originally posted by RYM RYM wrote:

Although the original scene died in the late '80s with Fish leaving Marillion and Peter Nicholls leaving IQ, the genre continued an underground following with bands like  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/pendragon" rel="nofollow - Pendragon https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/arena" rel="nofollow - Arena  and  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/galahad" rel="nofollow - Galahad  at the forefront, and creating some smaller scenes, like the '90s Polish scene of  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/abraxas_f1" rel="nofollow - Abraxas https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/collage" rel="nofollow - Collage  and  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/quidam" rel="nofollow - Quidam . Although Marillion moved further away from neo-prog, IQ continued to make albums in the style, and gained a further cult following after Peter Nicholls returned to the band.

Thanks! That explains it then. Thumbs Up


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:27
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

There's a couple of Neo Prog bands on the RYM & Last.FM list from eastern Europe that I'm looking forward to checking out:- Satellite & Collage. I haven't listened to them yet, but I expect they'll be well-Polished. Tongue

LOL

So do I.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:33
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo Prog. Smile

Ookaay, I'm not familiar with this one, my thanks.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:39
Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

This is the neo-prog top 10:

3. 'Script for a Jester's Tear' - Marillion
6. 'The Jewel' - Pendragon

I agree on these two. Big smile


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 06:56
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo Prog. Smile

Now, I've ordered it. Tongue


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 07:06
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo Prog. Smile

Now, I've ordered it. Tongue
It's so good, I read it twice! Smile


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 07:51
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo ProgSmile

All your examples tell me, Paul, that there might not be so much consensus about the definition of Neo-Prog as I have thought it. 


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 08:04
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo ProgSmile

All your examples tell me, Paul, that there might not be so much consensus about the definition of Neo-Prog as I have thought it. 

Yes, there is consensus.
And there's nothing neo-prog about the bands mentioned above. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 08:33

I wrote:

"All your examples tell me, Paul, that there might not be so much consensus about the definition 
of Neo-Prog as I have thought it. "

including your example in  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129732" rel="nofollow - The Big Six - of the 80s?

but I find PA's (and RYM's) definition to be a good one.


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 10:36
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


I wrote:

"All your examples tell me, Paul, that there might not be so much consensus about the definition 
of Neo-Prog as I have thought it. "

including your example in  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129732" rel="nofollow - The Big Six - of the 80s?

but I find PA's (and RYM's) definition to be a good one.
Well, there's no consensus between Cristi & I, that's for sure. Tongue


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 10:41
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Well, there's no consensus between Cristi & I, that's for sure. Tongue

can you quit baiting? Confused
 





Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 10:47
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


I wrote:

"All your examples tell me, Paul, that there might not be so much consensus about the definition 
of Neo-Prog as I have thought it. "

including your example in  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129732" rel="nofollow - The Big Six - of the 80s?

but I find PA's (and RYM's) definition to be a good one.
Well, there's no consensus between Cristi & I, that's for sure. Tongue

There never is but you keep banging on as if your 'different' opinion is as equally valid as the consensus of the rest of the site. How about give it a rest for a bit. It's getting tiring.


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Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 12:04
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


I wrote:

"All your examples tell me, Paul, that there might not be so much consensus about the definition 
of Neo-Prog as I have thought it. "

including your example in  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129732" rel="nofollow - The Big Six - of the 80s?

but I find PA's (and RYM's) definition to be a good one.
Well, there's no consensus between Cristi & I, that's for sure. Tongue

There never is but you keep banging on as if your 'different' opinion is as equally valid as the consensus of the rest of the site. How about give it a rest for a bit. It's getting tiring.
I agree, can we just set up a thread where Paul and Cristi disagree with each other without ever editing the posts they're quoting so they get longer and longer...


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2022 at 12:16
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I wrote:

"All your examples tell me, Paul, that there might not be so much consensus about the definition 
of Neo-Prog as I have thought it. "

including your example in  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=129732" rel="nofollow - The Big Six - of the 80s?

but I find PA's (and RYM's) definition to be a good one.

Then again, to be fair, I've seen some albums classified on PA as Neo-Prog which were something entirely different from the 80's Neo-Prog. For instance, Seeds on the Ground (2007) by the Chinese Cold Fairyland. 
And if I recognized this album as Neo-Prog, my Neo-Prog collection would increase 50% - btw, an album I'm very fond of, and it's something surely exceptionelt comparing to the usual Prog stuff .Smile


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 02:02
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Bizarrely, Marillion's highly-acclaimed Brave & Marbles albums didn't even make it into the RYM Top 120. Ouch

Neither Brave nor Marbles are labelled/ tagged as Neo-Prog at RYM.  See: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/marillion" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/marillion

For Brave:

RYM Rating3.76 5.0 from 1,962 ratings
Ranked#80 for  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/1994/2/#pos80" rel="nofollow - 1994 , #2,949  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/deweight:live,archival,soundtrack/74/#pos2949" rel="nofollow - overall
Genres
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/alternative-rock/" rel="nofollow - Alternative Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/rock-opera/" rel="nofollow - Rock Opera
Descriptors
atmospheric, introspective, male vocals, concept album, lonely, sombre, melodic, nocturnal, rock


For Marbles:

RYM Rating3.80 5.0 from 1,928 ratings
Ranked#21 for  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2004/#pos21" rel="nofollow - 2004 , #1,984  https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/deweight:live,archival,soundtrack/50/#pos1984" rel="nofollow - overall
Genres
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/progressive-rock/" rel="nofollow - Progressive Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/alternative-rock/" rel="nofollow - Alternative Rock
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/pop-rock/" rel="nofollow - Pop Rock ,  https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/post-britpop/" rel="nofollow - Post-Britpop
Descriptors
calm, introspective, melancholic, melodic, progressive, atmospheric, male vocals, mellow, concept album, soft, sombre, space, bittersweet, passionate


The Neo-Prog phase at RYM for Marillion is considered to be the 80s one, and I have seen that view echoed at PA as well.

Here is an excerpt from the Neo-Prog description at RYM (see https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/neo-prog/" rel="nofollow - https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/neo-prog/   :

Originally posted by RYM RYM wrote:

Although the original scene died in the late '80s with Fish leaving Marillion and Peter Nicholls leaving IQ, the genre continued an underground following with bands like  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/pendragon" rel="nofollow - Pendragon https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/arena" rel="nofollow - Arena  and  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/galahad" rel="nofollow - Galahad  at the forefront, and creating some smaller scenes, like the '90s Polish scene of  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/abraxas_f1" rel="nofollow - Abraxas https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/collage" rel="nofollow - Collage  and  https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/quidam" rel="nofollow - Quidam . Although Marillion moved further away from neo-prog, IQ continued to make albums in the style, and gained a further cult following after Peter Nicholls returned to the band.

Thanks Logan. I really need to Czech those bands out and Polish up on my knowledge of East European prog, as I'm always Hungary to expand my musical horizons. Smile

My current Polish playlist:- Abraxas; Collage; Quidam; Satellite; SBB


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 02:04
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Thanks Logan. I really need to Czech those bands out and Polish up on my knowledge of East European prog, as I'm always Hungary to expand my musical horizons. Smile

My current Polish playlist:- Abraxas; Collage; Quidam; Satellite; SBB

Three clichés in one sentence, must be a new record. Dead


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:00
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Thanks Logan. I really need to Czech those bands out and Polish up on my knowledge of East European prog, as I'm always Hungary to expand my musical horizons. Smile

My current Polish playlist:- Abraxas; Collage; Quidam; Satellite; SBB

Three clichés in one sentence, must be a new record. Dead
Actually they're puns not cliches.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:05
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Thanks Logan. I really need to Czech those bands out and Polish up on my knowledge of East European prog, as I'm always Hungary to expand my musical horizons. Smile

My current Polish playlist:- Abraxas; Collage; Quidam; Satellite; SBB

Three clichés in one sentence, must be a new record. Dead
Actually they're puns not cliches.

but overused and abused puns become clichés 


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:16
^ Honestly and personally, I think you should stop picking on almost each and every post of Paul that you don't like. I find it more and more disturbing how you are harassing him. It is clear that you will never get used to Paul's particular humour, but to express it each and every time and time again is really really really getting very very very tedious.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:19
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Honestly and personally, I think you should stop picking on almost each and every post of Paul that you don't like. I find it more and more disturbing how you are harassing him. It is clear that you will never get used to Paul's particular humour, but to express it each and every time and time again is really really really getting very very very tedious.

So it's my fault again. Awesome! Ouch
Thank you so much... 



Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:19
Oh, and I only own 24 albums of this top 120...


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:25
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My current Polish playlist:- Abraxas; Collage; Quidam; Satellite; SBB

SBB Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:28
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My current Polish playlist:- Abraxas; Collage; Quidam; Satellite; SBB

SBB Thumbs Up
Thanks for the recommendation. I currently only have three Polish albums in my CD collection. Embarrassed

David Gilmour - Live in Gdansk
Porcupine Tree - Warszawa
Tangerine Dream - Poland


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:38
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Honestly and personally, I think you should stop picking on almost each and every post of Paul that you don't like. I find it more and more disturbing how you are harassing him. It is clear that you will never get used to Paul's particular humour, but to express it each and every time and time again is really really really getting very very very tedious.

So it's my fault again. Awesome! Ouch
Thank you so much... 



If you wish. And you playing the victim is as tedious.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 03:44
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Honestly and personally, I think you should stop picking on almost each and every post of Paul that you don't like. I find it more and more disturbing how you are harassing him. It is clear that you will never get used to Paul's particular humour, but to express it each and every time and time again is really really really getting very very very tedious.

So it's my fault again. Awesome! Ouch
Thank you so much... 



If you wish. And you playing the victim is as tedious.

I'm not playing the victim. I am not harassing him either. 
It's weird how Paul's behaviour is never tedious... Only mine... Ouch


Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 04:18
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm not playing the victim....
Quote It's weird how Paul's behaviour is never tedious... Only mine... Ouch

Ermm

I don't want to derail this thread; you both have done this already much too frequently. I've said what I wanted to say. Paul is much less trolling than he did before and, as I said, you will probably never get used to his sense of humour. But to point to it every time says more about your lack of humour and/or your intolerance toward Paul's posting style. We all know that by now, since a couple of years. That's why I said that "to express it each and every time and time again is really really really getting very very very tedious.". And I stand by that - it makes reading these threads, that are often quite interesting at start, an unpleasant experience.
So, this was my last post on this and I hope it can go on-topic again.



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 04:46
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm not playing the victim....
Quote It's weird how Paul's behaviour is never tedious... Only mine... Ouch

Ermm

I don't want to derail this thread; you both have done this already much too frequently. I've said what I wanted to say. Paul is much less trolling than he did before and, as I said, you will probably never get used to his sense of humour. But to point to it every time says more about your lack of humour and/or your intolerance toward Paul's posting style. We all know that by now, since a couple of years. That's why I said that "to express it each and every time and time again is really really really getting very very very tedious.". And I stand by that - it makes reading these threads, that are often quite interesting at start, an unpleasant experience.
So, this was my last post on this and I hope it can go on-topic again.

At least you recognize he is still trolling...
My lack of humour? So me disliking Paul's jokes, mockery means i don't have a sense of humour? Or better said me disliking Paul's humour means i got no humour at all? Ok then... Ouch

My intolerance towards his posting style? Maybe, although the word "intolerance" is harsh. Not when he baits with outrageous statements, not when he mocks or insults. 

It's also weird how only I cause you unpleasant experience in threads and never Paul. I'm so goddamn awful, i apologize... 

Also if you have things to reproach me, you could have PMed me. Hope you do that in the future. 



Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 05:17
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I'm not playing the victim....
Quote It's weird how Paul's behaviour is never tedious... Only mine... Ouch

Ermm

I don't want to derail this thread; you both have done this already much too frequently. I've said what I wanted to say. Paul is much less trolling than he did before and, as I said, you will probably never get used to his sense of humour. But to point to it every time says more about your lack of humour and/or your intolerance toward Paul's posting style. We all know that by now, since a couple of years. That's why I said that "to express it each and every time and time again is really really really getting very very very tedious.". And I stand by that - it makes reading these threads, that are often quite interesting at start, an unpleasant experience.
So, this was my last post on this and I hope it can go on-topic again.

At least you recognize he is still trolling...
My lack of humour? So me disliking Paul's jokes, mockery means i don't have a sense of humour? Or better said me disliking Paul's humour means i got no humour at all? Ok then... Ouch

My intolerance towards his posting style? Maybe, although the word "intolerance" is harsh. Not when he baits with outrageous statements, not when he mocks or insults. 

It's also weird how only I cause you unpleasant experience in threads and never Paul. I'm so goddamn awful, i apologize... 

Also if you have things to reproach me, you could have PMed me. Hope you do that in the future. 


Relevant bit highlighted in red.

A good idea - perhaps I might suggest that you do the same with Paul when you take offence at one of his posts, this to save public spats open to all and sundry?


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 05:20
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Relevant bit highlighted in red.

A good idea - perhaps I might suggest that you do the same with Paul when you take offence at one of his posts, this to save public spats open to all and sundry?

You'd think it would be a good idea because I have tried that, he never answered back, in fact he went and wrote on the forum what I told him privately. Sure, why not... Ouch




Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 06:35
Anyway … back to the topic of the OP …



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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 08:02
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Anyway … back to the topic of the OP …

This thread has taken on a life of its own while I've been away, but anyway, getting back on-topic,  I just discovered today that Riverside are a Polish band too, so I'll add them to my Polish prog playlist, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog. Smile

Abraxas
Collage
Quidam
Riverside
Satellite
SBB


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 08:23
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

This thread has taken on a life of its own while I've been away, but anyway, getting back on-topic,  I just discovered today that Riverside are a Polish band too, so I'll add them to my Polish prog playlist, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog. Smile

Abraxas
Collage
Quidam
Riverside
Satellite
SBB

Neither do SBB! Big smile



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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 08:33
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

This thread has taken on a life of its own while I've been away, but anyway, getting back on-topic,  I just discovered today that Riverside are a Polish band too, so I'll add them to my Polish prog playlist, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog. Smile

Abraxas
Collage
Quidam
Riverside
Satellite
SBB

Neither do SBB! Big smile

I noticed that. Wink Maybe I should stop adding any more bands to my playlist right now or I'll never Polish it off. Smile


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 08:54
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Anyway … back to the topic of the OP …

This thread has taken on a life of its own while I've been away, but anyway, getting back on-topic,  I just discovered today that Riverside are a Polish band too, so I'll add them to my Polish prog playlist, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog. Smile

Abraxas
Collage
Quidam
Riverside
Satellite
SBB

And you haven't even explored Albion, Millenium, Votum, Proghma-C, Believe, Mr. Gil, Lunatic Soul, Retrospective, Pinkroom, Tune, Lizard, Amarok, Jerzy Antczak, Starsabout, Indukti, Lebowski, Osada Vida, Fren, Moonrise, and Loonypark yet!
 


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 09:06
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Anyway … back to the topic of the OP …

This thread has taken on a life of its own while I've been away, but anyway, getting back on-topic,  I just discovered today that Riverside are a Polish band too, so I'll add them to my Polish prog playlist, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog. Smile

Abraxas
Collage
Quidam
Riverside
Satellite
SBB

And you haven't even explored Albion, Millenium, Votum, Proghma-C, Believe, Mr. Gil, Lunatic Soul, Retrospective, Pinkroom, Tune, Lizard, Amarok, Jerzy Antczak, Starsabout, Indukti, Lebowski, Osada Vida, Fren, Moonrise, and Loonypark yet!
 
You're right. I'm not familiar with any of those bands, but I'll never forget the bandname, Loonypark. Tongue


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 09:11
My top three neo-prog artists would be:
Sanguine Hum - Love all their work
Frost* - Milliontown is a masterpiece
The Psychedelic Ensemble - The neo band that no one knows about

Then in no order...
Arena - John Mitchell elevates this band
Sylvan - Posthumous Silence and Artificial Paradise are amazing
K2 - Allan Holdsworth guests on the first album
Lifesigns - Cheerful prog pop music
Subsignal - Heavy neo


Marillion, IQ, Pendragon are bands that aren't my pint of brew.


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 09:44
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Anyway … back to the topic of the OP …

This thread has taken on a life of its own while I've been away, but anyway, getting back on-topic,  I just discovered today that Riverside are a Polish band too, so I'll add them to my Polish prog playlist, even though they're not classed as Neo Prog. Smile

Abraxas
Collage
Quidam
Riverside
Satellite
SBB
  

And you haven't even explored Albion, Millenium, Votum, Proghma-C, Believe, Mr. Gil, Lunatic Soul, Retrospective, Pinkroom, Tune, Lizard, Amarok, Jerzy Antczak, Starsabout, Indukti, Lebowski, Osada Vida, Fren, Moonrise, and Loonypark yet!
 
Anyway, Polish prog is for the distant future (maybe sometime in 2024) as I still have a British Neo Prog Top 30 playlist to listen to first. Smile 

Abel Ganz
Arena
Castanarc
Credo
Cyan
Edison's Children
Elegant Simplicity
The Far Meadow
Fish
Frost*
Galahad
IQ
It Bites
Jadis
Janison Edge
Landmarq
Lifesigns
Magenta 
Marillion
Nth Ascension
Martin Orford
Pallas
Pendragon
Quantum Pig
Sanguine Hum
Shadowland
Solstice
The Tangent
Twelfth Night
The Violet Hour


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 09:46
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

My top three neo-prog artists would be:
Sanguine Hum - Love all their work
Frost* - Milliontown is a masterpiece
The Psychedelic Ensemble - The neo band that no one knows about

Then in no order...
Arena - John Mitchell elevates this band
Sylvan - Posthumous Silence and Artificial Paradise are amazing
K2 - Allan Holdsworth guests on the first album
Lifesigns - Cheerful prog pop music
Subsignal - Heavy neo


Marillion, IQ, Pendragon are bands that aren't my pint of brew.
I just discovered that Lifesigns and Sanguine Hum are both British bands, so I've added them to my Neo Prog playlist. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 11:10
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Relevant bit highlighted in red.

A good idea - perhaps I might suggest that you do the same with Paul when you take offence at one of his posts, this to save public spats open to all and sundry?

You'd think it would be a good idea because I have tried that, he never answered back, in fact he went and wrote on the forum what I told him privately. Sure, why not... Ouch


Don't take it personally. I hardly ever reply to P.M.'s - as David will tell you. Wink


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 11:12
British Neo Prog Top 30 Playlist

5 stars 1984: Abel Ganz - Gratuitous Flash -   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZxsS9xKBm3HCPO8bTIHEUX" rel="nofollow - 4 stars 1985: Abel Ganz - Gullibles Travels -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYOOdLvTkYZDAnojcmk554l" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYOOdLvTkYZDAnojcmk554l
5 stars 1988: Abel Ganz - The Dangers of Strangers -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbGCnKOqEK44de_xu5iJ_hl" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbGCnKOqEK44de_xu5iJ_hl
5 stars 1994: Abel Ganz - The Deafening Silence -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBuc00NZ5U8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBuc00NZ5U8
5 stars 2008: Abel Ganz - Shooting Albatross -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZponSTA09xnlmNI45uQdK7" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZponSTA09xnlmNI45uQdK7
4 stars 2014: Abel Ganz - Abel Ganz -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaau9QDIYjWGz_SJl0URSl3" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaau9QDIYjWGz_SJl0URSl3
3 stars 2020: Abel Ganz - The Life of the Honey Bee -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbbUGSYyC6C8ObGlizu2mi9" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbbUGSYyC6C8ObGlizu2mi9


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 12:17
British Neo Prog Top 30 Playlist

5 stars 1995: Arena - Songs from the Lion's Cage -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mWD3neilwkfPLXcOKjQnp8aET0I1Ym9sM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mWD3neilwkfPLXcOKjQnp8aET0I1Ym9sM
5 stars 1996: Arena - Pride -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lY9CdTgjaTd8ElJfLCGfZV_y-oMKTUouQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lY9CdTgjaTd8ElJfLCGfZV_y-oMKTUouQ
4 stars 1998: Arena - The Visitor -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lV_6WrC0UVywzQCkf4MdMfSPO3Ips2FCo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lV_6WrC0UVywzQCkf4MdMfSPO3Ips2FCo
4 stars 2000: Arena - Immortal? -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNXBB1FImtecf23QT_b8Ng7_ofG7SZ7vo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNXBB1FImtecf23QT_b8Ng7_ofG7SZ7vo
5 stars 2003: Arena - Contagion -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_myT56-Ask1S37Ko9u6aP6zSon0dun6zEM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_myT56-Ask1S37Ko9u6aP6zSoN0dun6zEM
4 stars 2005: Arena - Pepper's Ghost -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW8-qNtbQFzrbxPnT8-EPo_aQnoBEY57U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nW8-qNtbQFzrbxPnT8-EPo_aQnoBEY57U
4 stars 2011: Arena - The Seventh Degree of Separation -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m_rTXGMgfWxZl0ZifVSy9b2VQfsF1H8WU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m_rTXGMgfWxZl0ZifVSy9b2VQfsF1H8WU
4 stars 2013: Arena - Arena Live -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kGF5unTy4-GAZY-rsGVsAQuHL6oAgMWfw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kGF5unTy4-GAZY-rsGVsAQuHL6oAgMWfw
4 stars 2015: Arena - The Unquiet  Sky -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1yUZZG5v21cFYNDI1fF2byJEWyc1MJ1E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1yUZZG5v21cFYNDI1fF2byJEWyc1MJ1E
4 stars 2016: Arena - XX -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXk1igizpircuPC7mn0ZRyKZ634IbblcE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXk1igizpircuPC7mn0ZRyKZ634IbblcE
4 stars 2018: Arena - Double Vision -  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nj51TVrBj3Ubol5R5-FG950gaVskWySIg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nj51TVrBj3Ubol5R5-FG950gaVskWySIg
4 stars 2019: Arena - Re-Visited: Live -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XisBbOx-2H4&t=1020s" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XisBbOx-2H4&t=1020s


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 14:10
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Don't take it personally. I hardly ever reply to P.M.'s - as David will tell you. Wink

Right, and I think, we're talking about some communication which as a principle is relevant for all the members of the forum.




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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 17 2022 at 18:17
I'd like to mention Twin Age out of Sweden, they have two albums I really appreciate "Lialim High" and "Month Of The Year". In the liner notes of the first one I mentioned they thank Jan Erik the Anekdoten bass player along with Ken Golden, Greg Walker and Steve F from Wayside. Not sure why I mentioned that but...

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 01:45
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I'd like to mention Twin Age out of Sweden, they have two albums I really appreciate "Lialim High" and "Month Of The Year". In the liner notes of the first one I mentioned they thank Jan Erik the Anekdoten bass player along with Ken Golden, Greg Walker and Steve F from Wayside. Not sure why I mentioned that but...
 
Thanks for the recommendation. Thumbs Up I'm not a fan of turnips and swedes, but I do love my Swedish prog and these are my current Top 10 favourites from the land of the midnight sun:-
 
Anglagard
Dice
Roine Stolt and the Flower Kings
Galleon
Grand Stand
Indisciplined Lucy
Isidurs Bane
Par Lindh Project
Samla Mammas Manna
Simon Says
 
Unfortunately, Anekdoten and Opeth are not to my tastes, just like turnips and swedes. Smile


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 02:38
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi






I own 52 of these albums. Surprised there’s no Mostly Autumn on this list.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 02:39
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing MilliontownSeven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.

As for the list, its okay I suppose. All Marillion 80's albums at the top albeit in a slightly strange order. 


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 02:44
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing MilliontownSeven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 





Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.

As for the list, its okay I suppose. All Marillion 80's albums at the top albeit in a slightly strange order. 





The Neal Morse era Spock’s Beard albums are solid symphonic prog to my ears but I do agree with the running order of the Marillion albums.

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 03:07
Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi



I own 52 of these albums. Surprised there’s no Mostly Autumn on this list.

I'd like to have seen Mostly Autumn on the list too, but I've never seen them classed as Neo Prog, no matter how hard I've looked. Smile


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 05:41
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing MilliontownSeven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.


I disagree! The sound palettes, structural forms, and melodic sensibilities of all three of these band's works--even song-by-song--have been used before--are familiar to the seasoned listener (i.e. anyone familiar with the progressive rock, rock, and classic rock discographies of the 1970s)--with Roine Stolt being the most blatant and egregious "offender". This, to my mind, lends to their inclusion within the realms of Neo Prog: "new prog using the old". Of the three and a half, Neal Morse seems the one who is able to create the most fresh and "new" symphonic structures albeit still using "classic" forms and sound palettes. 

No one can blame an artist for wanting to revive and/or perpetuate a hallowed/revered sound, form, or style from the past. This practice, however, does breed the consequence of familiarity and, then, comparison. It's difficult to compare the discographies of Univers Zero, Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Present, Humble Grumble, Major Parkinson, Yugen, Allan Holdsworth, Bill Bruford's Earthworks, and Factor Burzaco to previous songs/albums cuz there are so few taking rock music beyond the comfortable forms that have dominated rock/prog rock before, thus, you will rarely hear any "neo" suffix attached to a categorical definition of these bands. Today's symphonic artists are, however, mostly using the forms, sounds, and major/minor/pentatonic scales that were used by artists in the 1960s and 1970s, thus present certain degrees of "neo" or "revivalism," n'est-ce pas?
 


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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 18 2022 at 06:06
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing MilliontownSeven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.


I disagree! The sound palettes, structural forms, and melodic sensibilities of all three of these band's works--even song-by-song--have been used before--are familiar to the seasoned listener (i.e. anyone familiar with the progressive rock, rock, and classic rock discographies of the 1970s)--with Roine Stolt being the most blatant and egregious "offender". This, to my mind, lends to their inclusion within the realms of Neo Prog: "new prog using the old". Of the three and a half, Neal Morse seems the one who is able to create the most fresh and "new" symphonic structures albeit still using "classic" forms and sound palettes. 

No one can blame an artist for wanting to revive and/or perpetuate a hallowed/revered sound, form, or style from the past. This practice, however, does breed the consequence of familiarity and, then, comparison. It's difficult to compare the discographies of Univers Zero, Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Present, Humble Grumble, Major Parkinson, Yugen, Allan Holdsworth, Bill Bruford's Earthworks, and Factor Burzaco to previous songs/albums cuz there are so few taking rock music beyond the comfortable forms that have dominated rock/prog rock before, thus, you will rarely hear any "neo" suffix attached to a categorical definition of these bands. Today's symphonic artists are, however, mostly using the forms, sounds, and major/minor/pentatonic scales that were used by artists in the 1960s and 1970s, thus present certain degrees of "neo" or "revivalism," n'est-ce pas?
 
You may be interested to know that The Flower Kings are listed as both Symphonic Prog and Neo Prog on Google - which I agree with - so there's plenty of Flower Power to go around for everyone, no matter whether your tastes veer more towards either Symphonic Prog or Neo Prog. At the end of the day (that's a cliche Wink), it doesn't really matter to me what The Flower Kings are categorised as on PA so long as they continue to make great music. Smile


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 20 2022 at 09:37
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing MilliontownSeven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.


I disagree! The sound palettes, structural forms, and melodic sensibilities of all three of these band's works--even song-by-song--have been used before--are familiar to the seasoned listener (i.e. anyone familiar with the progressive rock, rock, and classic rock discographies of the 1970s)--with Roine Stolt being the most blatant and egregious "offender". This, to my mind, lends to their inclusion within the realms of Neo Prog: "new prog using the old". Of the three and a half, Neal Morse seems the one who is able to create the most fresh and "new" symphonic structures albeit still using "classic" forms and sound palettes. 

No one can blame an artist for wanting to revive and/or perpetuate a hallowed/revered sound, form, or style from the past. This practice, however, does breed the consequence of familiarity and, then, comparison. It's difficult to compare the discographies of Univers Zero, Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Present, Humble Grumble, Major Parkinson, Yugen, Allan Holdsworth, Bill Bruford's Earthworks, and Factor Burzaco to previous songs/albums cuz there are so few taking rock music beyond the comfortable forms that have dominated rock/prog rock before, thus, you will rarely hear any "neo" suffix attached to a categorical definition of these bands. Today's symphonic artists are, however, mostly using the forms, sounds, and major/minor/pentatonic scales that were used by artists in the 1960s and 1970s, thus present certain degrees of "neo" or "revivalism," n'est-ce pas?
 

that's not my understanding of Neo Prog at all. It started with Marillion, IQ , Twelfth Night, Pallas and the like. It was more about bringing prog down to earth and away from, dare I say, 'Airy Fairy Nonsense' and lyrics that make no sense. Neo was a valiant attempt to ground prog but while retaining the best aspects of the musicianship. Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings very much embrace the classic era of symph prog and are not trying to modfiy it this is true but anyone that thinks that music evolves only by using different instruments is missing the point. You literally can create new music the way GH and TFK do otherwise pretty much no classical music has ever evolved which I doubt is true. This is my take on it. People generally dislike Neo Prog because they simply don't understand it which is sad really.


Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: September 20 2022 at 11:08
^ Exactly; neo-prog was a particular movement exemplified by a small number of bands; most of whom did not have record deals.  The scene was largely DIY and the music obtained on cassette tapes bought at gigs or mail order - I still have several: Solstice, Pendragon etc.  The release of the 'Fire in Harmony' sampler was snapped up!  I find this discussion of bands such as Glass Hammer and Flower Kings far removed from those sweaty nights at the Marquee Club.


Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: September 26 2022 at 10:49
I own 40 of these albums, going back to the OP. IQ are my favourite band and I’m a bit surprised to see some of their albums so far down, including Road Of Bones🤔

It Bites, Marillion, Pendragon, Frost* are all great. I need to listen to more Jadis and Arena…..


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 28 2022 at 03:37
^ possibly part of the issue is that Road Of Bones was released both as a single disc version and also with the bonus disc. I always preferred the bonus disc over the 'official' release personally so without looking at millions of reviews I'm not sure what the reviewers are basing their ratings on.


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 28 2022 at 03:51
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed

Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi

I also own 2, both by IQ.

I beat you with one Marillion (that I don't particularly like) and two IQ (that I do like a lot). Tongue



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