Your favourite South and Far East Asia albums?
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Topic: Your favourite South and Far East Asia albums?
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Your favourite South and Far East Asia albums?
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 04:25
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Let us continue our musical journey to South and Far East Asia, and see what that brings. We've just had a Japanese thread, and there's a Japanese blog so, no reason to include this country here. My own harvest from this part of world is so far: L. Shankar (India) - Song for everyone (1985, Jazz Fusion) Trilok Gurtu (India) - The Glimpse (1996, Jazz Fusion) Garbarek & Khan (India/Pakistan) - Ragas and Sagas (1992, Hindustani Classical Music / ECM Jazz) Cold Fairyland (China) - 2005 Live (2006, Progressive Rock) Cold Fairyland (China) - Seeds On The Ground (2007, Chinese Folk Music / Progressive Folk) Lin Di & Cool Zone (China) - Ten Days In Magic Land (2003, Progressive Folk-Rock) Lin Di (China) - Bride in Legend (2004, Progressive Folk) Guruh Gipsy (Indonesia) - Guruh Gipsy (1977, Progressive Rock) The countries, I mention, refers primarily to the origins of the music. And I hope, you'll enjoy it! ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 09:17
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 09:20
| ^ India is considered South Asia, I have lots of Indian records, but that is not considered East Asia. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 09:44
So, I have by now changed my OP to include South Asia. Ok?
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Easy Money wrote:Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 09:53
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Great, and let me start with: Ali Akbar Khan Ravi Shankar Talvin Singh L Shankar L Subramaniam Ashwin Batish |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 09:54
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East Asia to me immediately connotes Chakutia, Kamchatka, Magadan Oblast, Sakhalin, Khabarovsk Krai, Primorsky Krai, Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macao, and coastal China, not Southeast Asia and certainly not India! Of the few I know, two of my favorites are most definitely: Cicada (Taiwan) Jambinai (South Korea) and maybe, SIU2 (Hong Kong) and Hai Qing and Batzorig Vaanchig & Auli from Mongolia ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 09:56
| ^ He changed the thread title now. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 09:58
But it's greater with "South and Far East Asia", as it's more including than East Asia (according to Wikipedia) so, I've changed again my OP to that.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 10:57
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Wow just wow ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 14:56
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I'd like to tell here a little about my first "meeting" with the Chinese Lin Di and the band Cold Fairyland, which she was the leading member of, because even it happend about 15 years ago, it was such a great experience. It happend one very warm summer day, and I think, I was searching for Chinese bands on my computer, but anyway, I found a concert with Cold Fairyland on a Dutch site with concerts from Paradiso in Amsterdam. And from the very first moment of this about 40 minutes concert, I was just entirely speechlees. I wish my English was better to be able to describe what I saw, heard and felt because it was so great and moved me so much. This outstanding performance of black dressed musicians playing their mix of heavy and dark, like King Crimson (Red) influenced but yet Symphonic Prog, and Chinese Folk music, using among other instruments pipa, Chinese kind of acoustic (traditional) "guitar"/lute, and electric cello, adding Lin Di's very emotional and beautiful vocal. - That was almost love at the first sight. Then, I must say, the video I saw of this concert was very well shut and edited, like a piece of art itself, and the sound quality on it was exceptional good - likewise on my computer speakers. At that time, I wrote music articles and reviews for a Danish Hi-Fi magazine so actually, I wrote a review of this concert, and I contacted Cold Fairyland for their releases - but that is another story.  About pipa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipa
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 11 2021 at 15:39
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 01:34
thank you very much, Nogbad ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 04:07
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From what I can remember... oops sorry, mostly japanese stuff here. I edited my post, but my japanese reccomndations are are still very reccomended, so I won't remove them. The five at the bottom are non-japanese: Takeshi Inomata (& Sound L.T.D) - Sound of Sound Limited + Takeshi Inomata & the Third - Morning Glory Toshiaki Yokota And The Beat Generation - Flute Adventure Katsuhisa Hattori - Edo No Kaze Masabumi Kikuchi - One Way Traveller Hiromasa Suzuki - Kumikyoku Furukotofumi Hikaru Hayashi - The Naked Island Kazuko Matsuo - Sakai + 夜のハスキー第２集 Akira Ishikawa & His Count Buffalos - Tsugaru Jongara Stomu Yamashta - Floating Music J.A. Caesar - Den'en Ni Shisu Asakawa Maki - Asakawa Maki no Sekai + Maki II Far East Family Band - Parallel World Masahiko Sato - Belladonna of Sadness; Haruomi Hosono & Tadanori Yokoo - Cochin Moon Park In Hee - 세월아 / 봄이오는길 Lee Mija - Lee Mi-ja's Folk Song Album (Hong Hyun-Gul's Arrangement Book) Мирза Тоиров (Mirza Toirov) - Най (Nay) Yanti Bersaudara - Sinbad Lovely South Korean album: |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 06:24
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 06:46
Jambinai's Onda (2019) is a very well known album on RYM.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 08:08
I could be wrong, but I don’t think you should be thankful. I’m pretty sure this comment of awe is in regard to how awful this thread is, rather than how awesome. Potentially even worse, but definitely as bad, as the Eastern Europe thread, and for the same reasons. It’s funny how you accused someone of being racist when they obviously weren’t, when you come far closer yourself - though I’m sure you do it innocently and without malice. Once again you have grouped together a huge range of different countries, cultures and musical traditions, in a fashion that could easily be viewed as insulting and/or offensive. I assume, but could be wrong, that the “wow” comment is simply because you have not taken onboard any of the criticism within the Eastern Europe thread, have not learnt your lesson, and have put forward another grouping of countries. It would appear you couldn’t even get the the geography right this time, from earlier comments. Well done for taking that on the chin, and editing your topic and OP to reflect the broader geography, but geez - now the geographical area is even greater, and has an even greater number of cultures, languages, traditions and instruments. For example, the music just within the Indian subcontinent is incredibly diverse, and certainly unlike the music of Japan, which is likely to be the next most known country for music in these fora. (In fact, Japan has had more than one thread dedicated just to it before, and is one of many countries within this region that could easily have their own post, rather than be grouped together with countries that share nothing other than your grouping them together. I think it’s admirable that you are trying to be as active as you are in the forum, and there is a lot of merit in finding out what people like from various regions of the world - but please (please) try and make them smaller, and more sensible. In both the Eastern Europe thread and (before you edited it) this one, you have included countries that just logically have no connection to the larger grouping, and are asking people to draw from a pool that while it might not seem large to you, if you are not greatly familiar with it, is simply too vast and too differing, to realistically make a list. I know you are not going to find this comment constructive, and I’m sorry about that. But I hope you can at least understand where I am coming from. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 12:46
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^I don't know why this has to be so problematic. Yes its a huge range of different countries that don't share the same musical traditions obviously - but they do have in common that most westeners know very little of their music. If we can have favorite european prog or music-posts, which we obviously can - although Portugal, Finland and Albania share just as little - or less musical traditions than Korea, Mongolia and Taiwan do... a favorite South and Far East Asia albums should be ok as well. It's just a way of getting to know some new music, isn't it? Curiosity and openness is a good thing, so don't please make it into something bad just because people struggle a little with the geography.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 12:49
Nick, all I can tell you is the same I said in connection to the East European thread. You're right about the principles but totally unrealistic in relation to the PA reality. That is surely confirmed by the results of the East European thread, and seems already to be confirmed by this thread. There's absolutely not enough interest among PA members for what you have in mind - myself including, for not to talk about who should make all these threads you have in mind. YOU?? So, you're absolutely right, I don't find your comment constructive, and just please, GET OF MY NECK!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 13:32
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Is that what you want? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 13:40
Troubles? You're going to report him to the administration? Precious. Too f'ing funny. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 13:49
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And tell me what you think it's best for me to do?
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 14:12
If I were you, I would stop judging others and pretending you're PA's thought police... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 03:13
I don't really understand what you mean, suitkees. I do have opinions, yes, but I'm not just telling other people what to do. No, all I want is to discuss different things to have some opinions about what's best to do for Prog's prosperity - and I don't expect that we must agree on everything, rather more on the contrary. But I react if somethings really bothers me, and you don't know much about me so, you don't know how I experience things. I think, it's best try to understand each other - at least for the beginning. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 04:15
You think shouting GET OFF MY NECK is a good way of doing that?
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 04:28
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What I mean is that it is not very elegant (to say the least) to menace an other forum member that his "behaviour" could cause problems on PA. Especially when this "behaviour" is just typical forum behaviour: making a point and formulating the arguments sustaining and explaining this point. This is what Nick did, politely and patiently (because it takes time to elaborate on arguments...). You may or may not agree with the points made, you could formulate counter arguments, explain your reasons and logic in order to discuss all this. That is what discussion forums are about. It is indeed best to try and understand each other, and have some openness to other people's arguments. It may incite more people to participate... ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 05:20
No, but that is how I feel (even I didn't think of it as "shouting") because of all the things that by now have happend between me and Nick. And I've tried to come to an understanding with him but he hasn't been obliging - at least as I see it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 05:34
I won't call this comment of Nick "politely and patiently", on the contrary, it's a complete distortion of Nogbad's intention - at least as I understood it. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 05:37
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So he he hasn't given in to your perspective so you resort to shouting and threatening (capital letters is considered shouting in text form). And mentioned above, what you are seeing from nick is normal forum discourse. Take the advice and stop judging others, if you don't like regular forum discourse then don't start threads that can trigger it. We're behaving in line with forum norms and rules, you're the one who is out of line.
------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 05:44
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My wow was in reference to the arguments about what constitutes various parts of eastern Asia in a little poll on a prog site. Seeing this
made me want to rush off and see if we had any prog bands on the site from those Russian federal areas.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 06:01
I can’t speak for the others, but here’s something from Kamchatka: https://ethers.bandcamp.com/album/killing-time" rel="nofollow - https://ethers.bandcamp.com/album/killing-time ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 06:09
I haven't gone through the entire thread so I don't know if she has been mentioned, but surely Anoushka Shankar also deserves to be included. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 06:36
Hi, Indian is difficult to discuss musically. It's really hard for folks to get a feel for Hindu/Indian music and even realize that possibly the Westernized music we know actually came from India more than likely, and the various raga definitions (too many of them) even have what we would call note combinations that were pretty much copied into our own language. (Peter Michael Hamel's book!) There is a Japanese thread. Damo's, which is the best of all the threads on this board, and the only one that really lives up to the name PROGRESSIVE, unlike so many of the fan-boy threads in this board. I have wished that a round of various of these nationalities had their own thread, so a few more discussions could take place, instead of the new Banco, or the new PFM getting plastered in the wrong place! I think it also helps that he is an ADMIN, and I don't think a lot of folks want to say something wrong. The other threads, the folks are not "as important" and thus, the attacks, in my view, can be thought of as not right, or specially well meaning. There is one for Italian music, but I don't see it as active as Damo's, at least in terms of continuity. But I do not see a French one, or a German one, or a few other different/select threads. it's just sad, and I wanted to talk about one album by AGUSA but the only place to talk about it, most folks would have trashed it, and thought it was too much of a copy, and not even bother listening to the whole thing. At least in a thread of their own country, many of those negative comments would likely not be there as those folks would not be interested in it. I am of the opinion that part of the problem is that the "definition" is so generic and bad, as to allow people to think that a different country or a different language, or a different culture could do something that is considered "progressive" specially in relation to its own culture, by modernizing it. By the way, the listing, shamefully, is missing Ryuichi Sakamoto, but it has one of his band mates from YMO ... what's up with that? I'm sure that Ryuichi is laughing right now and saying ... tell that bunch of goons how much they know music ... I have an Oscar in my closet and they only have empty words! At least I will be remembered as an artist ... and no one will remember any of these posts in a board that has a rather laissez-faire attitude towards the music itself. And sadly, when someone does something about it, as the OP did, and probably meant well, he ends up getting jumped on ... it's not fair, in my book, even though at times the criticism is meant well and right, but in the end, it all comes off as ... my music is better, and your listing and attempt stinks ... and THAT'S BAD FOR ALL MUSIC, specially the one we love dearly!
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 08:33
Then, all I can say is, I'm surely suprised, and it's just not in line with the ethics, I find to be good.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 14:43
Okay, I don't know yet what I will do. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Argentinfonico
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 16:13
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These threads are very helpful to me, as I am not at all entrenched with the music mentioned here. It is a totally different culture and at the same time fundamental to know, because as you have already said, a lot of western music took great elements (especially rhythmic) from there. I don't think it is necessary to attack anyone for not knowing about geography, because this is very far from an intention to offend. It is very pedantic to want to punish someone for simple ignorance. I mean, meanness is far from this! No one should be judged, least of all by intellect. The reason the thread was created branches out with people like me constantly looking to broaden their musical horizons. Now, to respond with so much disrespect and with airs of bossiness totally contradicts the moral, ethical and integrity line of this wonderful forum completely derails the parameters of the debate and turns it into anything else. Insults and derogatory phrases are out of this essence! Helping from our knowledge is always enriching. |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 18:15
Wow, your post brought a lump to my throat and almost a tear to my eye. Here, here I say, and more power to all those looking to gather information and maybe learn something new, particularly in a non judgmental environment. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 00:58
Thank you very much for your comment, moshkito . ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 01:03
Thank you so much for your comment, as well, Argentinfonico. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 01:08
Many thanks giving here by now, but I surely can't omit you, Hugh Manatee, so, thank you very much to you, as well.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 01:18
Thank you so much to all you guys, who at least supported this thread and me for good intentions. I wasn't sure if I had the wish to continue my contribution to PA and for Prog's prosperity, but now I'm surely not in doubt. I'm very very grateful to all of you!, and I think that many others have good reason to be that, as well.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 01:26
Now, Nick, even I don't find it so necessary anymore, I'd like to know why you did it. And to be sure, I just want an explanation of this comment quoted here.
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 02:29
 The explanation follows just where you decided to cut off the quote...
Again, you don't have to agree with this assessment. Most of us, I think, have already turned the page. I suggest you do the same and get back to what you wanted to do with this thread - there's no obligation whatsoever to comply to other peoples wishes or take their objections into account. But it is good to reflect on it. ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 02:51
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As Kees has pointed out, my explanation is below your crop of my post. But, if it makes you feel any better, I do apologise for that comment. I meant it as a throwaway joke playing upon the twin meaning of awe (awesome and awful were once synonyms, and it is only in more recent times that their meaning have drifted apart). Given that this is the part you have dwelt upon, then I am definitely sorry I wrote it, because it appears to mean you’ve not read anything beyond it. I like your enthusiasm. I like that you are trying to explore the world. I’ve attempted to recognise this in my comment, because I don’t want to be the Debbie Downer that rains on your parade. It amuses me that you have thanked Pedro for his comment, because (in his idiosyncratic roundabout manner) he was largely (though not wholly) expressing agreement with me. There are already some really good threads on this forum for various countries (a couple of which Pedro pointed out), and the “best” threads are though that have a concise area. I use inverted commas, because, of course, the idea of what is best is entirely subjective. However, it is notable that those threads have a far greater discussion about the music of the region than yours do. Admittedly, there is a fair bit of discussion here, but a lot of it is in relation to what I posted, rather than the OP. If you really cared to keep to the topic you have presented, then take what I said with a pinch of salt, and move on. I didn’t say it to malicious. And, once again, I apologise for using the word “awful”. The only thing I would suggest (and not just for this thread, but every single one that you’ve created) is to stop expecting an echo chamber, and when someone comes up with a dissenting view, please don’t take it to heart. Most of the time, the posts I’ve seen that disagree with you (and they are certainly not only from myself) are far more patient and polite with you, than you are in return. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 03:01
Thank you very much for that, Nick, and given that we both have learned from this thread, we might try to start from a new. But I think it's best if we for a while keep a god distance from each other - that is at least my need. Thank you ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 03:47
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^In the interests of progress then, because I’m afraid I’m not going to ignore a topic of interest simply because of who comments on the post, here is another attempt to explain why I don’t find your grouping of countries meaningful. As in, this is just my opinion, and I have no expectation of you agreeing with it. For someone like me, who has in my collection bands/artists from many countries that I guess fit your broad area, the only thing that could make them comparable is if you are looking for Weaternised styles of music. And if you are doing that, then while you might still find a new band or artist to listen to, it’s not necessarily the same as finding something new to listen to. So it’s all what you’re looking for. If a band from India or China sounds no different than one from the UK or the US, then for me (and I must again emphasise this is for me) it is less interesting than something more representative of the country and/or culture and/or heritage/tradition, etc. that’s not to say I won’t bother with Western sounding bands and artists. If the music is interesting/enjoyable it’s interesting/enjoyable no matter where in the world it’s from. But when threads like this come up on PA, it is usually because the poster wants to find something more than just another prog band that sounds like it could have come from the US or the UK. And as has been pointed out, and not just by me, there have been many such posts over the years, which have always generated positive discussion, and introduced people to new music to explore. That’s always a good thing, and it’s still a good thing here (and in your East Europe and Africa threads), because there is still opportunity for interesting discussion and discovery. The irony is that by broadening the area, you are limiting the discoveries. I realise that sounds contradictory, but the various geographical threads over the years bare this out. The narrower the scope, the more involvement there has been. From within what I assume is the area you are covering, I have bands/artists from (roughly west to east) Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Taiwan, Philippines, South Korea and Japan. I don’t believe I have anything from Bhutan, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia or North Korea. As I mentioned earlier, even India is quite different with two main musical traditions that are quite different from each other: Carnatic in the south, and Hindustani in the north. So both traditional and contemporary Indian music can sound very different, depending on which culture and region they draw from. I have never outrightly criticised you for attempting to find out about music from around the globe, and (to the contrary) have always stated it is a great thing, and one I wish more people would do. There’s a world of music out there, and a lot of people just aren’t interested in finding out about it - so that fact that you are, endears you to me. I have no problem with you (even if you believe I do). If you’re interested, this is a recent thread asking for people’s favourite albums from Japan, to illustrate my point. Look how many people responded to this (in May this year), compared to how many have responded to your post. In the case of a geographical thread, it is always easier for people to respond to a smaller area. The regions you cover are simply too vast for a lot of forum members to feel they can contribute constructively or easily. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126330&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126330&PN=1 All I have ever attempted to do, is help you get a greater response, because I have been here long enough to see what gets a response. I have never set out to insult or offend you, and all my criticism has always been as positive ans constructive as I can make it. What you do with it, and how you react to it, is up to you. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 09:26
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@nick: From my point of view such lists are games, not to be taken too seriously, but of course of some potential use. Given that this is so, I don't have problems with pretty much any game of this kind somebody could come up with. Regularly here there are list of "your favourite x bands/albums" from all that exist. If the world is not too big for a list, Asia (or parts of it) is not either. It for sure doesn't mean that all potentially listed in this thread is "comparable" in the sense of following a common tradition, shared influences or whatever. In fact, I find the idea mistaken that anything from, say, France, can appear in the same list because it is "comparable" (in whatever sense) whereas India and Kamchatka should not appear in the same list as for some reason they're not "comparable". Nobody in France should be constrained to make music that is recognisable as French, and for sure an artist from Kamchatka can have their take on Indian music. All fine by me. You may like these threads or not, or some of them more than others, but I don't buy your apparent "X and Y should not be grouped together" logic. And for sure I believe David is right that most people on PA wouldn't be able to put together a list of size >=10 from, say, India, South Korea, Asian Russia, or whatever, and a big area allows more of us to participate. Good enough a reason for me. (I plan to post a list later but too much stuff going on in December.)
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 10:06
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I think you’re overanalysing my response, but that’s probably down to my way with words (which often don’t say what I want them to). I have a tendency to be overly verbose, and still not cut across what I want to say. I certainly do like David’s posts, and have said so every time. I also agree that there is no compulsion for anyone from any country to play music from that country’s musical traditions/culture/history/whatever. That is certainly NOT what I was meaning to suggest at all. That would be ridiculous. I, too, will be making a list. As I will for East Europe. It will be difficult, and more so because I have a lot of artists (let alone albums) from these large areas, but I would still like to play - because I like games, and particularly those like these where we get to share music and make new discoveries. [EDIT] I meant to say, also. I agree that for large portions of the region here, many (if not most) forum members would struggle to make lists >10, but that also was not my point. (And, my fault again, because it was poorly made.). Just as with the Eastern Europe post, where David asked for albums from East Europe but NOT Poland, because he recognised that that country would otherwise dominate the list, this post could perhaps have been SE Asia but NOT Japan, as that country is likely to dominate the list (with more than one previous PA post showing a lot of forum members can come up with lists of 10+ albums from that country). I suspect India could also have its own post, and the Indian subcontinent was sort of a mistake by David in the first place (as per the edits after initial comments). The same could be said for Eastern Europe. I wasn’t really suggesting that every country should have its own post, for the exact same reason you point out here. A lot of forum members (including myself) would struggle to find 10 albums for some of the countries. All I was suggesting with Eastern Europe is that as well as excluding Poland, it might have been wise to exclude Russia (and possibly also Ukraine), as unsurprisingly most people who did respond tended to have lists dominated by Russian artists. I completely apologise for the way I’ve tried to explain myself, if people are not understanding. I do like these threads, because one of ,y favourite things is finding new music from all around the world. Carry on! ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 16:15
Yes, a lot to unpack here, as with most of your posts that I have read in my short time here so far. Nothing wrong with that though as far as I'm concerned. I do get what your trying to say regarding regions and precision and such, I just don't quite agree. Surely a thread should be free ranging and have the ability to wander where it may regardless. If that annoys and even aggravates some people, surely they can make the choice not to engage. However that is not really the point that needs addressing here as far as I'm concerned. It concerns me when a poster with the obvious enthusiasm and, yes maybe even the naivete that the OP displays, gets piled on for displaying that enthusiasm and niavete. As I have a tendency towards these attributes, it doesn't bode well for me. I admire your patience for taking the time and effort to explain yourself in such an erudite manner but at the same time I can't help but think that your bearing the cross for others here. Anyway, who am I to speak, being a newbie here and all.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 16:51
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Ashwin Batish performing his fusion music in Santa Cruz. I've seen him perform and got to meet him too, very open and friendly guy. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 23:47
You and I are so much on the same page, it’s unreal. The reason I have attempted to reach David is because he does have enthusiasm (and, yes, maybe naivety), and I don’t want him to lose that. In several of his threads, much of the discussion is simply David replying to himself, and the lack of response he often gets is unfair. I don’t want his spirit to be broken, but I can see that happening. Elsewhere he has expressed how little interest there seems to be in his threads, and all I’ve been attempting to do is explain why that might be. There have been others who have simply told him he is wrong, and that’s not fair or accurate. There is no “right” or “wrong”, because most regional geographical areas are imposed somewhat arbitrarily, and often not even by those within them. So there is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with the regions David proposes (although many of the criticisms have been obvious ones, that probably could have been avoided). But for someone who appears to want there to be discussion on his posts, David does make it difficult for himself. That is why I have tried to explain why other similar posts (and there have been many) in the past have worked, or not. And historically, on these fora at least, the narrower the region, the more discussion generated. As for free-ranging, I am in complete agreement, and every forum I have ever been a member or moderator in the past has encouraged the idea that, regardless of the OP, and thread can take any direction it wants. Tangents are not only welcomed, but encouraged. But that doesn’t seem to happen so often here on PA, and a lot of forum members seem not so fond of free-ranging threads. David definitely appears to be one of them, as he doesn’t like it when someone goes somewhere he wasn’t expecting. This is, again for me, an indicator that a narrower focus might suit him better. The narrower the geographic region (and, once again, I am NOT proposing every country needs to have its own thread), the less chance for the discussion to go somewhere David doesn’t want it to. Everything I have said, no matter how badly I’ve said it (and I admit I’ve not made myself clear, which has become increasingly apparent) has been my attempt to help, not hinder, David. I want his enthusiasm to remain undiminished, and I want people to take an active interest in his posts - because I think their intention is admirable and worthy of much discussion. I could talk about music from around the world until my face fell off. Some of the people I know on FB think I have music from every country in the world. I don’t, and that’s not even an aim of mine. I do know, therefore, that my own music collection is not representative of the general forum member. So my suggestions for David have not been for me, or because of what I have in my collection, but simply because over the years (and I have been lurking here for years before I started posting) I have seen a lot, and learnt a lot about which topics draw discussion, and which don’t. Also, welcome to PA. I don’t think I’ve said that already, even though I’ve replied to you on more than one occasion. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 00:51
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One again I thank you for your considered and erudite response. I think I do have an understanding of the situation with David and as I have ambled around the forum I have witnessed the posting methods he has employed with a certain amount of trepadation, amusement and even a touch of embarrassment. Embarrassment because I recall my formative excursions into forums when I first ventured into them way back when. Every forum has a slightly different ettiquette that has been established over time and it can seem that some posters don't recognise or give enough respect to this. I have also over time come to appreciate that each forum has an underworld of veterans and long time posters that don't have the patience and tolerance that you so admirably display. For that I sincerely commend you, for what that's worth. David does seem to border on desperation at times, and he can even display an immaturity that could be grating to some. Understandable. Posters choose not to engage with him because of his approach, and so he pushes his barrow until the wheels fall off and he blocks traffic. Annoying for sure, but piling on comes across as unecessary and even somewhat elitest, Worst of all it is counterproductive to the feel of the forum. Having said all that, it is rather ironic that despite all your efforts to steer him in the "right" direction, he has largely shrugged off those who critisze him and has decided to wipe you. This, more than anything else should give you an idea of the sort of "mission" you've taken on. Anyhoo, tilt on Don Quixote. David may not appreciate your efforts but I am certainly taking in what you have to offer.
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Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 01:03
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Oh, btw, thank you for the welcome. I probaly should have started with the the "Introduce yourself" thread but in my enthusiam I charged right in and neglected that particular piece of ettiquette. Oh well, the sky has folded and it will never fold back.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 07:14
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But thank you for your concern, and best wishes to you, as well.
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Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 07:22
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I recall reading somewhere "quality above quantity" but I just can't bring to mind where. I find it hard It's hard to find Oh well Whatever Nevermind ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 09:55
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------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 16:48
I really Desire this Indian love song by Deepak Chopra & Demi Moore  |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 17:11
Wow, seven weeks and already over 1600 posts. Are you trying to break some kind of record or something? Well, I guess there's no better way of learning how to swim than diving in head first and hoping there isn't a rocky bottom just under the surface. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 22:23
Something else, Hugh, I don't know how many of "my" threads you've seen, and anyway in my opinion, there's a lot of quality in them.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 22:31
I've been very busy, yes, but it's about 1600 points and 770 posts, and I did some posts when I signed in and discussed among other things my Prog defining article 11 years ago. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 22:39
Interesting to hear about your secret loves, Paul. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 23:23
You seem to be quite concerned about me doing well. Why is that important for you? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 23:28
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Something else I'm curious about, how come this thread has got 5 stars?
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Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 15 2021 at 23:53
Oh, I don't know. Maybe its just because I like people and don't like to see them come to any harm. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 01:03
That's a very good intention, but one can be too protective, and it's certainly best that the protected person wants to be protected.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 02:11
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^ It's not so secret any more. Ravi Shankar & Philip Glass - Ragas in Minor Scale, from the album "Passages" |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 02:32
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I have "Passages" and I find the whole album very enjoyable. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 02:50
You might like Ravi Shankar's soundtrack for Charly.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 02:55
KARUNESH: my all-time favourite Indian artist, although he's actually a German from Cologne by the name of Bruno Reuter.  Karunesh - Punjab |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 02:59
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Are you romantic, Paul?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 03:03
Yes, I have a secret passion for Demi Moore, but I don't stand a Ghost of a chance with her.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 03:07
I guess, not, so what to do about it? ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 03:43
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A few from India: Ananda Shankar- And His Music (+the rest of his discography) T.K. Ramamoorthy - Fabulous Notes & Beats of the Indian Carnatic-Jazz Shankar Jaikishan • Rais Khan - Raga Jazz Style Dilip Roy - Namaskaar - Melodies from India Sharan Rani - Musique Classique Indienne Illaiyaraaja - Solla Solla Charanjit Singh - Ten Ragas To a Disco Beat ...I could go on "endlessly" with great vintage Bollywood-OST's and tons of compilations
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 28 2021 at 17:05
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Doing so, I have to say, I find it just quite unprobable that anybody in Asia should be bothered by the fact that we here on PA mention or talk about some albums from there. I'm rather sure, Lin Di would be proud. So, all the problems, I can see, are the imaginary ones.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 29 2021 at 04:21
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Otherwise, I could correct several facts mentioned here, which I won't do except from one, as it's important for me and for the sake of the other person involved: I haven't accused anybody of "being racist". No, what I've said was that I considered something said to me as a case of "casual racism". That's a big difference. - Which by the way is a well forgotten episode by now, as we already quite long time ago reached a good understanding about it.
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