A Perfect Circle for Prog Related
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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
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Topic: A Perfect Circle for Prog Related
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Subject: A Perfect Circle for Prog Related
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 10:08
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I would like to propose the addition of A Perfect Circle to the Progarchives website because the band is highly experimental, and does not shape their sound according to trends. Led by Tool vocalist Maynard James Keenan and guitarist and songwriter Billy Howerdel, the band's sound has been described as hard rock, alt rock, art rock, and progressive rock.
Biography (taken from their Wikipedia page since there is no bio present on their website):
A Perfect Circle is an American rock supergroup formed in
1999 by guitarist Billy Howerdel and Tool vocalist Maynard James Keenan. A
Perfect Circle has released four studio albums, the first three during the
early 2000s: Mer de Noms, their debut album in 2000, and followed up by
Thirteenth Step in 2003; then in 2004, Emotive—an album of radically re-worked
cover songs. Shortly after Emotive's release, the band went on hiatus; Keenan
returned to Tool and started up solo work under the band name Puscifer and
Howerdel released a solo album, Keep Telling Myself It's Alright, under the
moniker Ashes Divide. Band activity was sporadic in the following years; the
band reformed in 2010, and played live shows on and off between 2010 and 2013,
but fell into inactivity after the release of their greatest hits album, Three
Sixty, and a live album box set, A Perfect Circle Live: Featuring Stone and
Echo in late 2013. The band reformed in 2017 to record a fourth album, Eat the
Elephant, which was released on April 20, 2018. Country: United States Prog Genre: Prog Related/Crossover Prog Official website: https://www.aperfectcircle.com/home/" rel="nofollow - https://www.aperfectcircle. Discography: -2000 - Mer de Noms (Maynard James Keenan, Billy Howerdel, Josh Freese, Paz Lenchantin, Troy van Leeuwen) -2003 - Thirteenth Step (Maynard James Keenan, Billy Howerdel, Josh Freese. Twiggy Ramirez, Troy van Leeuwen, Paz Lenchantin, Danny Lohner) -2004 - eMOTIVE (Maynard James Keenan, Billy Howerdel, Danny Lohner, Josh Freese, Paz Lenchantin, James Iha, Jeordie White) -2018 - Eat the Elephant (Maynard James Keenan, Billy Howerdel, Matt McJunkins, Jeff Friedl) |
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 12:56
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They've been suggested numerous times, but have always been rejected. They might be evaluated again if their most recent album is "proggier" than the ones before, but they would not be added just because of their connection with Tool. In any case, I have Mer de Noms, which I've never been able to get into. It never struck me as particularly progressive, but people hear things in different ways. |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 13:15
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^I would say this is the exact case. Their 2018 release is purely progressive in my ears, so I don't see why they should be left out of the 'Prog Related' category. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 13:36
| I get your frustration. It seems to be a matter of what those who approve admission like. There are bands that should not be here and many that should that get snubbed. Favoritism over some set criteria. |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 15:42
are you aware of our subgenre definitions, which are the guidelines for the teams? that exactly is your attitude ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Grumpyprogfan wrote:Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 17:19
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Will take them to Admin Zone due to SC /C's recommendation. Anyway could you send us the full sample of "Eat the Elephant"? ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 17:37
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This is the set criteria: No musical genre exists in a vacuum. Not all of the bands that have been a part of the history and development of progressive rock are necessarily progressive rock bands themselves. This is why progarchives has included a genre called prog-related, so we could include all the bands that complete the history of progressive rock, whether or not they were considered full-fledged progressive rock bands themselves. There are many criteria that the prog-related evaluation team considers when deciding which bands are considered prog-related. Very few bands will meet all of this criteria, but this list will give an idea as to some of the things that help evaluate whether an artists is prog-related or not. 1) Influence on progressive rock - The groundbreaking work of artists like Led Zepplin and David Bowie affected many genres of rock, including at times progressive rock. Although both of these artists created rock music in a dizzying array of genres, both contributed to the ongoing history of progressive rock several times within the span of their careers. 2) Location - Progressive rock did not develop at the same time all over the world. It may surprise some people that as late as the mid-70s the US had very few original progressive rock bands that did not sound like exact copies of British bands. Journey was one of the first US bands to present a uniquely American brand of prog-rock before they eventually became a mainstream rock band. We have collaborators from all over the world who tell us which bands helped the progressive rock scene develop in their corner of the globe, even if those bands were like Journey and were known more for being mainstream rock bands. 3) Members of important progressive rock bands - Although most of the recorded solo output of artists like Greg Lake and David Gilmour falls more in a mainstream rock style, their contributions to progressive rock in their respective bands insures them a place in our prog-related genre. 4) Timeliness - Like many genres, prog-rock has had its ups and downs. In the late 70s and early 80s prog-rock was barely a blip on the radar. During this time artists such as David Bowie and Metallica released albums that captured key elements of the spirit of prog rock and did so while contributing their own original modern elements to the mix. 5) Integral part of the prog-rock scene - Sometimes you just had to be a part of the scene during a certain time period to understand how some bands fit with the prog rock scene of their time. Although Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Wishbone Ash may seem like mere hard rock bands, in their time they stood apart from other hard rockers with their more serious lyrical content and more developed compositions. Put simply, in the early 70s every prog-rock record collector usually had full collections of all three of these artists. These three bands were very much part of the prog-rock scene without being total prog-rock bands them selves. 6) Influenced by progressive rock - From the late 60s till about 1976 the progressive tendency was in full effect in almost all genres of music. Once again, as we enter the second decade of the 21st century a melting pot of prog-metal, math-rock, progressive electronics and post-rock influences have once again made a progressive tendency in rock music almost more a norm than a difference. Yet in other periods of musical history receiving influence from progressive rock could really set a band apart and make them worthy of our prog-related category. Being influenced by progressive rock is hardly the only factor we look at, and in some periods of musical history it is almost meaningless, but still, it is almost a given that most of the artists listed in prog-related were influenced by the development of progressive rock. 7) Common sense - Nitpicking over the above listed criteria is not necessarily the correct way to evaluate a band for prog-related. Sometimes you just have to use some common sense and look at the big picture. A very good way to describe prog-related would be to imagine an exhaustive book that covered the history of progressive rock. Would such a book include references to led Zeppelin's 'Stairway to Heaven', David Bowie's 'The Man Who Sold the World' or Queen's 'Bohemian Rhapsody'? Probably so. - Easy Money |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 17:38
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: March 16 2021 at 01:06
*Because I haven't really suggested new bands before*
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: March 16 2021 at 02:56
Will send a PM for you. Thanks.  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 06:32
| Did they ever get reevaluated? |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 06:37
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only the admins decide on the prog related. Let's wait and see.
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 13:58
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I love the first two albums but I don't think I would have ever associated them with progressive rock were it not for the Tool connection. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 11 2021 at 06:29
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Never heard them before. My own opinion: I don't think they're too different from Archive. I don't remember in which sub Archive is. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 11 2021 at 13:03
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A Perfect Circle is rejected. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |