Where is Snarky Puppy?
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Topic: Where is Snarky Puppy?
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Subject: Where is Snarky Puppy?
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:26
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Snarky Puppy are a fascinating jazz fusion collective from the US that combines jazz, rock, prog, funk, and what have you, really. So, a logical question is: Why aren't they on the Progarchives website already? Do you know them, proggers? What do you think? Given the vast nature of the term 'Jazz Rock/Fusion', it is surprising they have not been proposed at some point?
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:37
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I know them but never bothered suggesting them and I think no one else did. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:37
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try jazzmusicarchives, PA sister site. they're more jazz than prog anyway.
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:44
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Snarky Puppy is a great band, Not sure why they are not listed on the site under jazz fusion.
I think a few people suggested it a while ago.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:46
| I think I may have suggested them but they were turned down. I think the reason was that they aren't considered prog enough or even fusion enough(too funky). |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:48
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Didn't we have a member named Snarky Puppy? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:49
I see, sounds reasonable. Maybe I won't bother suggesting them [again] then.
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AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:50
LOL Don't know... But where is he also?
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:51
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I think he is thinking of Silly Puppy and I am sure he is around probably chewing up the furniture or lifting his leg on the record collection. ------------- 
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:51
That's the sole reason why I started this thread. I saw that many of the bands are on both websites, and wondered what's wrong with Snarky.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 09:57
nothing's wrong with them. You can suggest them, see what happens.  |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:02
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They have been suggested at least twice by now. Go ahead try again if you want. As for where are they, probably on tour like they always are. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:08
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First suggested in 2012 and rejected: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85843&KW=snarky&PID=4470843#4470843" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85843&KW=snarky&PID=4470843#4470843 Next in 2014, without success: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100075&KW=snarky+puppy&PID=5066247#5066247" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100075&KW=snarky+puppy&PID=5066247#5066247 And again in 2016, no dice: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=107347&KW=snarky&PID=5351161#5351161" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=107347&KW=snarky&PID=5351161#5351161 And then again in 2018, nope: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114772&KW=snarky&PID=5572888#5572888" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114772&KW=snarky&PID=5572888#5572888 I really don't see much point in doing this yet another time...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:10
| wow |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:14
Yeah, I guess that's where I saw the name before.  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:20
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:36
Jaga Jazzist is not American.
(I guess that was a snarky comment.) |
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:50
I think that's Silly Puppy. ------------- "Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp "I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 10:51
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Re Meltdowner: I would imagine that since Jagga Jazzist comes from prog turned metal band Shining might have something to do with it. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 11:06
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 11:12
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 11:22
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Don't really know Snarky Puppy well (remember the suggestions), but I have Jaga Jazzist's One Armed Bandit album and to me that is a no-brainer album for PA. Glad JJ is in PA. By the way, if you are wondering why this was moved to General Music Discussions from the Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation forum, that section, and all of the prog forum sections, is intended for acts already in PA. For discussions like this, General Music Discussions is the place and when formally suggesting one's for inclusion, then Suggest New Bands and Artists. Agree there doesn't seem much point in suggesting them again, but if, say, the post 2018 albums seem undeniably Prog Archives worthy, and are more compelling than earlier material, then it could be suggested again for those. It would require unanimous yes votes due to the prior rejections. When a band releases a new album it can be open to re-evaluation and I don't actually know what was the latest Snarky Puppy that was checked by JRF or how many times it was formally evaluated. I've had music I thought fit for JRF that was rejected, and I accept that. Just out of curiosity, which Snarky Puppy albums do people think make the most compelling case for addition to PA? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 11:29
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Yeah I've definitely brought this up before but I believe Logan said they were turned down for being too jazz. Honestly though, from Tell Your Friends onward, they've deserved to be on this site in my opinion. Especially considering the inclusion of other groups here. They certainly belong in that sort of third stream/nu jazz/acid jazz grouping, but they really are fusion enough (and often proggy) to be here (again, my opinion). Same with Chick Corea. If Miles and Herbie are here, and have most of their discography consisting of non-fusion releases, then Chick at least should really be here based on The Leprechaun through Tap Step alone. As for SP, all you have to do is listen to tunes like Flood, Ready Wednesday, Binky, What About Me?, Lingus, Big Ugly, Xavi, etc., to experience their worthiness for inclusion. Plus, their album Sylva is stunning, as it features an orchestra (the Metropole Orkest from The Netherlands) and would probably appeal to fans of Renaissance and Jaga Jazzist alike. Anyway, regardless of whether or not they get included (not holding my breath), check them out! They are awesome.
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 11:38
The best one I could give you is 'Sylva', a live album with the Metropole Orkest (I think that was the correct name), and it's really good! As all of their live albums.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 11:44
Oh hey Logan, we must have posted at the same time. I would definitely recommend their albums from Tell Your Friends onward, if not for consideration on this site, then just to simply enjoy them. Each has elements of prog and CERTAINLY fusion. Also, they are a GREAT live act. In fact, their most popular albums from 2010-2015 were all done live in a studio or on a soundstage with a small audience (except Sylva, which I think was in a concert hall). This makes sense for jazz-focused acts, because they can really play off of each others choices. But they have live versions of tunes I've heard that are even better than the ones that ended up on the records in my opinion. When I saw them at SF Jazz in 2018, they played amazing versions of Flood and Ready Wednesday. I love how they'll bring back older tunes and change them so they don't get bored. Check out some live footage on YouTube. I'm pretty sure each album track also has a professionally cut video of it being recorded as well, at least from 2010-2015.
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 12:00
| ^ This one almost sounds Zappa like at times. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 01 2020 at 12:22
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^ Oh yeah, it definitely has Zappa stylings. One-Armed Bandit is one of my favourite albums of the past decade. Thanks, Awesoreno, I have no say in JRF, but I will check those out at some time. I love various Nu Jazz, by the way. St Germain is a favourite of mine for the album Tourist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5-i7BCenw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5-i7BCenw And thanks A Crimson Mellotron, will check that out anon. Right now I'm in a particular kind of lounge music mood. :lol: As for Miles Davis, while he has a big discography, his 1969 to 1977 Electric Miles period (the five studio albums and various live albums, like four) is great and I fully supported that for PA. And I might argue that because Bitches Brew is here, Donald Byrd should be here based on Electric Byrd (Oh wait, I did over a decade ago, but too much non-suitable discography -- wish we could add worthy albums even if one of twenty without worrying about the full discography policy. I suggested a category to cover this ages ago). And With Herbie Hancock, his albums from 1971 to 1975 made him a great addition to PA for me -- I love the Mwandishi trilogy albums especially (Crossings and Sextant in particular being two of my very favourite albums in PA). As for Corea, of course his Chick Corea Elektric Band is in PA and his Return to Forever albums. I don't know those Chick Corea albums at all well and don't know why those are not included (he is related at least, but that doesn't mean that he necessarily would be added to Related as we have a process and various criteria). What is sometimes said is that its not enough to be Fusion, it has to fit a certain kind of Progressive Jazz-Rock/ Fusion idiom. That is one category where they had a vision/ a plan of what direction it should take, and steps to go. Chick Corea has been suggested, by the way, and considered by the JRF team http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75468" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75468 They had a discography concern (yes, despite the discography issues with, say, Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock). At least one can find various of his albums in PA under other listings. They had a kind of system when it came to prioritising acts to be included as well. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: October 02 2020 at 00:16
While I understand that it's not enough just to be fusion, Corea's solo albums from 1975 to 1980 have legitimate prog elements throughout. I would go as far as to say they are proggier than Hancock and Davis's 70s output. I'd recommend The Leprechaun or The Mad Hatter to anyone interested, particularly fans or RTF. I also enjoy Elektric Band, but other than To the Stars (I'll ignore the Scientology of it all) and the odd track here and there on the previous albums, there isn't much prog there. Fusion yes, prog rock, not quite as much. I don't want to give off the impression that I'm mad, I just get confused by the rules when it seems there are many exceptions and/or double standards. In any case, thanks for being so candid with the inner workings of the site Logan.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: October 13 2020 at 18:30
| Reviving this thread because I was listening to the opening suite of Sylva recently (Sintra, Flight, Atchafalaya), and it's just that good. |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: October 14 2020 at 02:04
Isn't it?
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: October 14 2020 at 07:54
Chick Corea isn't here under JRF? I would think he would be one of the founding fathers. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 14 2020 at 07:56
There's RTF and Electrik Band.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: October 14 2020 at 09:54
| Right, but as I said before, one listen to his 1975-1980 solo albums and you'll hear the fusion. Even prog-fusion. But this isn't the thread for this. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 14 2020 at 10:28
| The thing to remember is once a band is rejected, the next time they are suggested, the relevant genre team is going to be double cautious in considering them. Fair or not, that's how it works. I see that Owane is on this website; I even reviewed his album here. I don't see how Owane is any more progressive than Snarky Puppy but at the time they were suggested, some collabs took a strong view along the lines of they have nothing to do whatsoever with prog. And that was that. I say give it a rest. It really doesn't matter. |