History of Progarchives
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Forum Name: Prog Music Lounge
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Topic: History of Progarchives
Posted By: Foxprog
Subject: History of Progarchives
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 11:16
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Some might think this stupid but i'm interested. Who are the guys who put up this site and are they still using it or have they gotten tired of progsnobs :D Ps, thanks for putting progarchives up!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 12:04
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I had forgotten how long ago I joined. Holy cow I've been here 13 years. I did a brief stint on the crossover team about 10 years ago. BTW if you like jazz there is a companion site jazzmusicarchives...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 12:06
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The site was founded by French Canadians. The founder of ProgArchives, Ronald Couture (ProgLucky) passed away a few years ago. The owner and webmaster, Maxime Roy (M@x) is still alive and kicking, though not very often seen around. I was not a member yet when the site started in 2004, but joined the following year. Anyway, I hope Hugues (Sean Trane), who knows the story better than I do, will chime in as soon as possible. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 12:26
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I joined in 2006 as well, but I've taken about two years to start writing (very poor) reviews. I remember a lot of former members who are almost missed since years, I wonder where they are now. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 12:34
I don't think your reviews are "very poor", especially if English isn't your first language. They're better than my reviews anyway.
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octopus-4 wrote:Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 12:52
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Are we sure about that 2005 starting date? I joined on January 21 of that year, and it seemed like the site had been up and running for some time already... ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 13:00
2004, not 2005. I wrote that I joined in 2005 - at the end of July, to be precise (as my profile says). Indeed, when I joined, the site was already thriving. Sorry about the typo! I meant to write 2004, but only now did I realize that I had got the date wrong
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 13:54
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The earliest snapshot according to waybackmachine is from July, 2002: https://web.archive.org/web/20020726140505/http://www.progarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - https://web.archive.org/web/20020726140505/http://www.progarchives.com/ I seem to remember first visiting this site back in 2003 or 2004. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 13:56
There's a site called metalmusicarchives also but no classicalarchives, classicrockarchives or psychedelicarchives. At least not yet.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 14:00
There was a site called Psychedelicatessen that I used to visit, but it appears to have disappeared now.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 14:09
| Wow, I didn't know the founder died. That's sad. Anyway, I remember this site as early as 2003 but there weren't any members yet. You could just look at the bands and albums listed as prog. At that time it was related to two other sites: prog toes and prog lands. Only progarchives has stood the test of time though. |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 14:22
| This is a very interesting thread, I’m just a noob at this point. Crazy to think when I was just 4 or 5 years old people were still here writing reviews like they still do today, and that many of them are still frequent visitors. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 14:25
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I've been a visitor to this site since September 2010. It's only when I joined PA nine years later that I realised what I'd been missing out on. I'd never even looked at the forums until I became a member here.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 15:03
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I just checked June 2004, there was a best bassist poll. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 15:08
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The mention of the old Psychedelicatessen site just gave me an idea for a new thread.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 15:42
29 January 2004, to pinpoint the starting date. At least that's the day when forum member #1, M@X, signed up. There must have been some proto-PA before that day, I've seen one or two pre-2004 reviews passing along. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:08
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IIRC, before the forum proper there was a 'guestbook' feature to the main site where people could write messages. Then that became the forum which did start in 2004. Obviously the main site was around longer (as Logan mentioned above). ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:12
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I like AFlowerKingCrimson remember this place before the forums. In the snapshot I posted before from July 26, 2002 See: https://web.archive.org/web/20020726140505/http://www.progarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - https://web.archive.org/web/20020726140505/http://www.progarchives.com/ It says on the ProgArchives home page:
I'm thinking I might well have visited this site back even in 2002, since I was a member of a forum that went under around that time, and I do remember posting about this site there, but it might have been sometime in 2003. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:12
I mentioned it too and if you look at the bio for M@X he said the same thing.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:16
There were a few prog sites back then that didn't last that long. Aside from the ones I already mentioned there was prog.net which I wrote some reviews on. That one went belly up in 2001. There was also this one called prog freaks which had frogs as their mascot. It was kind of weird to see a prog site with all these pictures of little green frogs on it. I remember they had their own little prog rock hall of fame or something like that and a list with older and newer albums. That site disappeared around 2006 maybe. Not sure. Maybe a bit earlier. Anyway, by then this site was off the ground and would proabably eat up a lot of the competittion. Proggnosis however is still around so other than progressive ears that is one of the longer lived ones. Sadly, gepr is no longer online but that hasn't been updated in a long time anyway. DPRP is still around though. It's good there are still some other prog sites out there. Most of the newer ones these days seem to be in the form of wordpress blogs though. However, progarchives has proved itself to be the biggest and best.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:18
^ The bio is helpful:
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:27
I do remember that old PA web banner, I know I was a lurker before joining. I suspect is was around 2005-6 when I started looking around. When did that banner change? -------------   
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:30
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Rony was a real gentleman in my encounters with him. We chatted a few times around the time his prog book was released. I started lurking around in 2007 and soon after got a welcoming PM from a guy named SinkadotenTree, a named derived from his three favorite bands. That person is now Mellotron Storm. Times flies. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:35
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Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:43
That makes sense now...more sense than I'm apparently capable of in my posts, these days ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 16:58
| Sometimes I use the way back machine to see what the old top 100 was... thick as a brick used to be number one,.. those must have been the dark ages |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 17:30
'Dark Ages' is on Stormwatch. Get your albums right, particularly in a progressive discussion.  ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 17:45
It just sounds to me like he's living in the past.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 17:51
LOL! And he's so cranky in his dislike for Tull. He must be too old to rock and roll and too young to die.  ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 17:59
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 18:00
You won’t be able to Stand Up once I’m done with you buddy
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 18:14
You have Nothing To Say. Better Move On Alone with Cap In Hand before they read your Requiem. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 18:23
| I can't remember when I joined, but it's nice to read all the comments about the early days, so please keep them coming. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 18:25
HAHA
It's a great Benefit to read all this, certainly reminds me of a Cat's squarrel. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 18:55
you joined March 10th 2007. how do I know? second sight? magic? no, a look at your profile tells me-------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 18:59
I got nothing to say to you |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 19:13
There are so many quotes on this post, it's getting hard to tell who posted what.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 19:16
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put me in the history book |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 19:17
No doubt about it: This Was a great post! ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 19:30
Well, Nothing Is Easy, and if were just Up To Me, it would only be a Sweet Dream; but With You There To Help Me it was Nothing At All.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 21:17
even crazier is thinking of all the kiddies we got to know when the site really got rolling that are now.. hahah.. starting to lose their hair and thinking about popping little blue pills. It was about that time wasn't it.. 2001.. 2002 when internet forums blew up didn't they. I was a member of the old DDD site and headed up the prog section.. and we starting hearing about this other site. Prog Archives. Checked it out. .seemed cool. but much like the good old days here we had a very large and diverse membership and had already really connected with some of he people there so I stuck around there. until one day a certain Peruvian master of blue font came by to critique our work.. we immediately hit it off.. ie we starting arguing and disagreed about most everything. I guess I made an impression. He told me the site needed some help filling out and evaluating the database and I would be a good fit. Knew my music very well and had the right attitude.. was a knife fighter and didn't take sh*t. A thick skin.. for already the site was rather rough. I joined up in 2004.. and I just couldn't join quietly.. I took the alter ego of a hot chick who was looking for lonely proggers to help explore the music. It started getting a bit too heavy.. I had one of the collabs chasing me across the forum wanting some of my fine ass.. so I took a break and disappeared (still have that account though which I break out for some trollery when the urge hits me). Took about a year or so to wrap up what I had going on with DDD and pass the teams I had.. the prog and bass sections off to others and finally joined as Micky.. Much like Raff.. this site has really been a part of my life. Of course Raff and I met here during our time on the Symphonic Prog team. .and last month celebrated 13 years together.. but even beyond that. Even before all the great music I discovered here. I really have met some wonderful people.. some of whom have gone beyond cyber friends and become very dear close personal friends in real life. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 21:36
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Interesting to hear the history here....I was very late to the party. ------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 16 2019 at 22:44
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Cool place to hang around, have a good laugh every once in a while and share (dirty word, I know haha) your passion. The years 2015-2019 have been the most enjoyable so far...less activity indeed but respectful behaviours by most, low snobbery and almost inexistant cliques. A good thing if you ask me. One thing that was frequent and made me laugh in the past was when a member was starting to take himself very seriously after a promotion (poor dude, it's only music). They don't promote much nowadays. A good thing if you ask me.. and to 'participate' is good enough, Tony. Cheers PA! ------------- |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 00:05
But now it's your party and you'll prog if you want to.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 01:26
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I can remember a lady member who was a Greg Lake stalker. The insults she threw were mainly about the sizes of other posters dicks...😎 ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 02:28
That was Three Fates (Linda). A New Yorker , I met her a few times (Once when Greg Lake played live near London in 2004) and she was always charming and had plenty of great anecdotes . She was not frightened to put the 'Dicks' in their proper place on this forum but always did it with plenty of humour. Sadly I've completely lost touch with her and no doubt the deaths of Greg and Keith would have hit her hard.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 02:40
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 03:38
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Friede and I joined in 2005 (I on May 28th, Friede on Jun 2nd). I can vividly remember some threads from the early days, especially the one about the meeting of members of this site at the Hague. Friede, my sister Bea, our daughters Alice and Dorothy (4 years old at the time) and I were to attend too but had a nasty car accident due to some stupid driver which resulted in Friede (who was driving) having her left foot crushed under the pedals somehow and me having a humerus fracture on my right arm (I sat beside her and had been grabbing the handrail, and my arm got twisted from the impact squeezing the radialis nerve; it took me 4 weeks until I had full control of my hand again). we both needed surgery. I have a metal plate in my arm now and Friede has 2 nails in her foot. Bea and the kids were unharmed (at least from the accident; Bea was on crutches due to a torn ligament from a heptathlon competition). I vividly remember all the "Get well" messages we received. I think this is definitely part of the history of the archives, so for those who are curious: here the links to the Hague meeting thread and the "Get well" thread. The Hague meeting: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18320" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18320 the "Get well" thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20539" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20539
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 04:13
Man, 2001-2002 internet was a magical thing! I remember bands having live question feeds, email feeds, etc. all before social media and that became a thing. It was a very unique point in time for music and technology. You still had to wait for a physical release, but now you had more content to interact with! I don't think I became aware of PA's existence until approximately late 2008, when I started really diving deep into prog bands like Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Pink Floyd, etc. Weird to think how that was only 7 years apart from those early internet days...but 2008 itself will be 12 years ago! Tempus Fugit, none the less...  ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 04:55
Though I've never spoken to her, I have seen Linda on various occasions at festivals and gigs. She lives in New York state with her husband, and is very good friends with people I know personally. She's still very much involved in the prog scene, and has become an excellent photographer.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 05:06
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I went online for the first time in 2010 - the perfect year! That was just a few short months before YouTube allowed full album videos to be posted for the first time. Before then, the maximum length of a video allowed on YouTube was just 15 minutes. Now you can listen to David Icke drone on for eight hours about lizards in human form taking over the Earth. Yikes! I think he's been watching too many episodes of "V" and taken it all far too seriously.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 05:18
Gosh ... another Ian Anderson song for Jethro Tull. Will it be "The Play has Passion!" Very enjoyable, btw ... but it was missing a few choicy words and letters. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 07:40
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I've been around a while and have to say its a great site with great people and never tire of checking it out.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 08:37
hahah.. yeah she was one of the great characters of the early days of this site. That brings back some memories... even though we were both avid ELP fanatics.. I inherited her title as Prez of the PA's ELP fanclub when she left.. we did conflict. Strong personalities often do and this site was filled with them.. thus the conflicts we had early on. She pulled that.. insult on me.. I figured I'd win this one and offered to send her a picture hoping to shock myself to a win.. and she said.. bring it on.. let's see it.. needless to say.. I met my match. I turned redder than a beet as my dick fails in the shock and awe department.. so I ran from her like a child and kept my distance Unlike my better half (who was too busy smooshing with the musos) i was out having a smoke at Nearfest some years after she left and I introduced myself and ... she didn't remember me.. that is what I got for being shy oh and let's set the record straight. .she wasn't a Greg Lake stalker..that makes her sound like a creep... she was PA's royalty man...she had been .. umm.. rather intimately involved with him. She had a child with him. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 08:48
it was a great time wasn't it.. in those days before Facebook and their ilk really took the wind out of internet forum's sails. Especially with prog/progressive music and the revival it was experiencing at the time with the internet and forums like this having a great deal to do with. They were heady times.. likeminded fans of music from all over the globe... it was pretty wild. Like teenagers discovering sex.. we did it anywhere we wanted and without thought or regard to the consequences. PA's really was just like the old west before technology tamed it and the long arm of the law and civilized society took over.. and anything went.. and the only limit was one's quickness on the draw and how accurate your shot was. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:11
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I joined in 2010, and it was the first site I had belonged to on the net, and I was 38 at the time. The old adage "It's a jungle out there" sure applies to PA and my experience with it. I have got to know some super nice people and had clashes with members who certainly weren't , but that is to be expected almost anywhere... anyhow, it has been a blast, and I am sure glad I became part of it. I have never met in person anybody from PA, though have always thought it would be kind of cool to do so; I feel I owe a lot to cstack3 (Chuck Stack), as he introduced me to someone online (actually not a PA member) who was a close friend of my prog hero, the late Helmut Koellen of Triumvirat, and that was a great experience, let me tell you, and it led to other net friendships with Triumvirat people (though some of this is facebook related, so I am digressing a bit) Chuck Stack also encouraged me to be persistent in my queries/information seeking about Triumvirat and that has paid off in spades! Some PA members I would communicate with on a fairly regular basis, but over time things have dwindled, and I don't blame anyone for that, it happens. (Mellotron Storm and Ric Robson, still think of you and hope things are well!) I guess the thing I have enjoyed the most about this place is talking about and learning things about Triumvirat, and thanks to those of you who gave input and sharing about my favorite band. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:18
I went online for the first time and discovered ProgArchives in the same year as you did.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:24
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:29
| I first joined in 2005 but under a different user name. I've been on here with this name since 2016. So on and off I've been on here for quite a while. I even remember when they had song samples on here. I guess they took them down around the time I rejoined under my new username. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:35
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Until I went online in 2010, I had no idea you could watch music videos on the Internet. I was in music heaven. It was like MTV times TEN!! Before 2010, I used to think YouTube was a TV show.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:43
I had also been visiting this site for a long time before I actually joined. I don't recall exactly when I first started visiting but I guess it was about ten years ago. Prior to joining, most of my time on this site was spent looking at reviews. Sometimes I would look at the forum, usually as a result of a search, but this was quite rare. It was actually to add my 2 cents worth to a discussion about King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard that led me to become a member. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:51
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Before I became a member here, I used this site mainly for collecting album covers and for reading band info for music I'd discovered on YouTube. It's been a real education. Not only did I discover new bands here, I discovered new prog genres too that I never knew existed before, such as Eclectic Prog, Crossover Prog & Proto-Prog.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 11:56
Well...I hope he paid up for said love-child...I would have called her bluff, I may not be Ron Jeremy but I am probably big enough for a supporting role in a special interest DVD...you know, model railway enthusiast tinkering in the background whilst my wife is serviced by Remington Steel or whoever.... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 13:02
Phones had rotary dials and cords, took you 2 minutes to "dial" a number......back then -------------
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 13:56
My phone still does have a rotary dial and a cord. I've never owned a mobile phone.
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Posted By: Mudpuppy64
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 21:35
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In the beginning there was nothing , Then God said let there be light ,And there was still nothing ....But at least you could see it ..- Billy Connolly |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 17 2019 at 23:30
Good to know and thanks for the update
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 01:59
| Does anybody know what happened to Dean? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 02:22
He got old ------------- What? |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 02:32
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Hi, I'm not sure that it is too far different than it used to be ... you still got folks posting stuff that about some bands, that have nothing to do with "progressive" music, I end up figuring that they probably do not know or understand what "progressive" stands for, and why it is here ... but then, we got a situation that it still deals with things as a top ten song ... and when "progressive" started way back when, NONE OF IT was a hit, or a top ten anything, until one day ... the dam broke ... and now we have a bunch of "fans" that like everything under the sun, called "progressive-thisorthat" ... and so much of it is not even in the spirit of the first bands ... and some of the things that helped it come alive ... like a FREE FORM FM radio in America for several years until it was all bought out by corporate interests by the end of the 1970's ... and it is really difficult to explain this to folks here if you were not there and did not hear it ... there is no "free form" radio anymore, and when you hear things on the internet, or the like, the goddamned things are still shaped and played like it was the old AM radio ... three songs about the teacher ... talk ... 2 songs ... talk ... one longer song ... talk ... back to familiar top ten song (can't lose the audience!!!! -- the biggest bunch of bullsh*t ever said and created!) ... because things were getting too far out! All in all, I like PA ... I just don't see Admins that have an interest in helping "Progressive Music" improve and get a better rap out there, SPECIALLY BY NEW FANS ... Not sure what the answer is, but improving the backbone so that WIKI is not the listing that PA is not willing, or capable of improving on so the fans have one site to look at things ... not that other place. And yeah, even though Dean and I disagreed some, he was, by far one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable persons I have ever heard. I do think that he is missed some ... but I wonder if his patience wore off, or down, and as old as we are getting, any more stress is not needed but I have a feeling he was more into his music than this place ... and that is an honorable reason! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 02:53
déjà vu
I never saw it as our role (as Admins or otherwise) to actively promote anything. I generally take the word "Archive" at its literal meaning and during my time as an Admin I went out of my way to stress that this was a user-driven site that stood or fell on the strength of those who contributed to it, not those who owned (aka landlorded), administered or managed it.
Possibly ------------- What? |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 03:21
| Good to hear from you Dean! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 05:24
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[QUOTE=moshkito]Hi, All in all, I like PA ... I just don't see Admins that have an interest in helping "Progressive Music" improve and get a better rap out there, SPECIALLY BY NEW FANS ... /QUOTE]
Change the record.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 05:44
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Mosh is the old cricketer who won't leave the crease.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 05:53
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The same old garbage. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 06:13
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Like many, a lurker for a few years, joined in 2007, wrote over 200 reviews for a couple years, then lurked some more. I never really spent too much time on the forums until recent years as I now have an urge to post gibberish often. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 08:24
Yikes, what pressure you put on me upon returning from a long Indian Summer w-e, here!!  Well I take it others filled in many gaps in the next five pages of the present thread. So I'll only give my PoV and not try to be overly factual. Max & Ron bought the ProgArchives from some dude in Florida, but only really opened it to the public end Jan 2004... A couple of days later, I googled up Harmonium and fell immediately on PA (yup, Max' genius was to strike a Google deal right from the start to figure as top search choice or suggestions there, and it quickly gained high visility that PA came on first page on Alta Vista and Yahoo - both on the heavy decline by then). Early Febr, I started putting one or two-liners (often hilarious too, especially if you read them in a row >> for ex, in 80's Kansas albums) on all those 70's classic albums review space. Max was lol-ling all the way through, but impressed by the knowledge and straightforwardness, he contacted me and we started daily exchanges , him asking me for much advice. At the time, I had a lot of time to myself in my labs (while experiments were going on) that I took a few days just answering to him and giving him guidance as to which to include and which to avoid. Max was mostly a progmetal fan (later became a mega VdGG fan
afterwards), and Ron was a more classic prog fan. I suspect that Ron's
health was already quite shaky at the time. I was invited by both to
visit them in Quebec, but somehow that never materialized.  I know Philippe Blache met both, though. Max didn't need much convincing, but I had a tougher time working on Ron, especially about Québécois prog, which he didn't see fit being included (outside Harmonium, Morse Code and Maneige), but finally managed to convince him that even the most obscurre albums like Syncope or Brèche were "prog". He (Ron) spent hours correcting the entries I made, along with Hibou/Lise (I strongly suspect she was really PA #3 at one point), because I wasn't too computer-litterate at that point (not that I've gotten better ), but also (and mainly) fighting with an English KB at work and a French one at home, which provoked many typos. I waited about a year before starting to post on the forum, Max even copy/pasting some of my thoughts in threads. Anyways PA at one point became #83 of all music sites on the web and sometimes, there were up to 520 visitors at one time in the forum and DB. So many posts and threads that it was impossible to keep up and the going was absolutely wild, especially with the first Admin Maani (a priest, at that) and his total Laissez-Faire policy.... Mayhem and permanent chaos, but incredibly fun too. I think that 12k of my 15k posts were from that first 4 years after I started on the forum. I could spend entire days fighting with Ivàn wheter religion was ruining prog or not We were emptying color ink cartridge by the dozen. Then came the fighting time  , because some SC here took their collaboration as a career, egoes flaring (I suppose that included me as well), and it really became ugly, ultimatum or blackmails started flourishing. At one point, I took a backseat, and just went about my business. By that time, Max had mostly gone absent (it got even worst after that); and Ron was more or less excluded (control had escaped him), but I suspect that his health was culprit #1. But what's weird is that then then-classic Admin teal (Easy Livin, Tony R & Co) was actually restoring order and a semblance of political correctness, by banning troublemakers, but tempers were flaring even worse. (IMHO, like the rest of my post). I'd be afraid to atually count my hours of PA involvement, but a fair or educated guess would be a full year (that's +/- 8000 hours, as a quick lab experiment calculation method) over the almost 16 years 've been here, +/- 45% DB works, 45% Fforum fights and 10% PM'ing (including a torrid flurry dirty  stuff to a female member (man did that ever get HOT)  - I never thought I could write personal porn on a prog site . Good frigging times, despite an ugly period, where I jumped in the melée and got a temporary demotion. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 08:34
Yup, we (in The Hague) had imagined you two had chickened out in meeting a bunch of male progheads in a strange city. . Still thinking about some day checking out your restaurant in Koln, but I suspect that that great Saturn megastore (by the subway station, not the one downtown) is only the shadow of its former self. I also remember a thread about double forum IDs and flirting heavily & shamelessly with your sister Bea (USA Girl)
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but she got married and has avoided the place ever since. I also
remember Reed Lover getting on her case for bragging (I mean she was
graphic about how many liters of Lake jizz she swallowed over the years)
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 08:59
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I wonder if there is a prog version of the plaster casters? This might be as close as female prog fans get to being true prog groupies(ladies of the road) although I'm sure there are more than most would have you believe. At first I had to think about what Lake gizz was. Greg Lake. Ok, tmi. Apparently Greg Lake was late getting on stage for a show once because he was backstage banging a groupie. I'm sure that happened more than once though. Ladies by the score indeed.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 13:10
Yeah ... but you were not here when one station in LA ... died and 5 minutes later it was playing New Age garbage ... you really should ask Jim Ladd about that someday! Everyone was fired and removed, including secretaries ... on the number 1 FM rock station ... that went silent just like that!
Still and regardless, if you are up to it, your being here is actually very nice ... even if we're getting old ... at 69 (this week!) ... only the music keeps me alive ... and a movie here or there, however, the majority of stuff out there is getting really boring and this one I admit might be me ... even the latest Gaspar Noe, didn't excite me, for 10 seconds, with a shot reminiscent of Busby Berkeley ... actually, I liked Ken Russell's much better! And it was colorful! Happy Holidays to you and family
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 13:21
I just realised that's Rick Wakeman in your avatar, looking grumpy as usual.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 13:33
| I remember the sh*tshow that was around when I first joined. Those days were fun days, especially considering my High School was extremely dour and boring. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 13:39
The Velvet Room! Hot and sexy Gildenlow! What Petrucci eats for breakfast! Those were the days!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:04
hahah.. amen sista!!!!!.. the single greatest poll in forum history... which directly led to me losing my sh*t and calling for the Symphonic Horsemen and AR thugs to saddle up and ride... running down over every damned DT fan on this forum we could find God how the blood flowed.. it wasn't a war.. it was an extermination... those were the days...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:09
I remember when I joined, there were a ton of DT polls indeed, at some point against any band (even DT vs Europe). It did not make sense, and with the band's music going downhill a bit starting Systematic Chaos, so did the fanatics I guess.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:17
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yeah.. they were like cockaroaches around here.. and yeah.. you could open the prog polls section. Page 1.. and damn near everyone them was DT related.. then came the fateful day when I saw the poll. favorite Petrucci breakfast cereal.. and yeah I must admit... I snapped and called in the finger breakers and knee cappers I had for collabs on my teams...and the rest is part of the 'internet forum warcrimes' history book. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:18
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:19
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. What happened?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:21
enough said.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:24
we made it a point to drive them off of the f**king forum man... trashed their threads.. trashed their band.. and when all failed. .trashed them.. .it was our holy sworn mission to save.. to take back the forum from the kiddie crew.. ie.. the blue balled acne scarred set. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:30
I don't remember that. Even I made some DT poll back in the day, did not bother anyone though.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 14:34
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well there were only so many of us.. and so MANY of them...and I've always liked you so we probably rode past you... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 20:14
Neither do I. ------------- |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 20:21
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Someone should write a historiography of Progarchives! It'll be a fun read!
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 18 2019 at 21:32
One dude pitted DT against Magma as if to say let's see you guys still vote for the band against DT, not realizing there were many who honestly liked Magma more than DT.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 03:36
PM Jean or Friede, coz I don't know exactly. it could even be on their pPArofile or personal site pages
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 03:41
Absolutely He even managed to shut Maani (a pastor at that) up about religion  We had also another priest on site, a Belgdutch dude out in Flanders ... forget his real name as I write (Marcel maybe), but his username was MoogtronIII, I believe |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 03:42
I remember that
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 03:57
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I joined in 2004, and I've always liked this community, and the extensive archive listings and reviews. I've not really 'shopped around' for places where I can repeat what my favourite Genesis and Rush albums are every day. PA will do for that I've had the pleasure of striking up friendships with various fellow forumers, going to gigs with them and out for a curry every now and then. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 19 2019 at 04:02
^^ I Don't Remember That But I Do Remember This
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