Any members here use Progressive Ears forum? What are your thoughts?

I was recently banned because Poisoned Youth, an administrator, did not like my sarcastic comments. I don't want to anger anyone, just having fun. Hope they don't can me at PA.

Maybe you were banned for being too grumpy.  As it happens, I used this forum today to post my "Prague Archives" blog.  I also use this forum for posting my album reviews.

I've tried everything.. and still they keep me around.

Send them a message and ask them what you did to get yourself banned. Tell them you didn't have any malicious intent and they will probably let you back in with a warning.

It wasn't really what he said, but rather how many times he said it. The repetitively repeated repetition made Mosh's "only the hits" comments seem novel and unique.

oh I enjoyed our political.. ideological discussions.. you could hear his teeth gnash through the internet cable every time you reminded him how we blew his nations toy air force out of the sky and showed what happened when professional soliders meet thugs and murderers... you go your asses kicked and your country bombed back into the stoneage...

oh the good old days.. he was a last gasp of the great days when .. good God Greg.. we had personalities here.

the suggestions thing? I supposed I was retired by then and could care less.. but he was fun to engage one on one.  

He's on here under  a different user name and as far as I know hasn't been banned(yet).

What exactly were you banned for? Did they give you a reason? 

micky wrote: sheesh.. what does one really have to do to get banned from a prog forum.   I've tried everything.. and still they keep me around.

Grumpyprogfan wrote: Micky, I wish I could give you some pointers. I didn't tell the w**ker to go f himself. Just a tiny sarcastic jab. Oh well, if I get un-banned what would you do?

But bans are quicker happening there than here, that's for sure, but I saw yours coming.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: I've commented on Prog Ears for several years. Chances are, if you don't behave like a certifiable douche-bag nothing will happen. Unless, of course, you are an alter ego of Svetonio, and then you get banned whenever you show up. And rightly so. He's on here under  a different user name and as far as I know hasn't been banned(yet).

 

 

And TBH, I wish you hadn't.

 

Of course you got banned, on the condition that you returned here

Don't worry, I'm not for one moment contemplating leaving ProgArchives and going over to listen to Progressive Ears instead.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: This is the first time I've heard of the Progressive Ears forum.

And yet a few hours ago you said you'd recently posted on it?................

I don't frequent other places in this subject of music at all ... I have checked a few and they are ... so ordinary, for my tastes and sometimes even more exclusive about the definition and stand by the top of the pops groups in "Progressive Music" ... and (again) the only thing that bothers me about them all, and it happens to a degree here although some Admins DO KNOW THEIR HISTORY really well, is that too much of the music is relegated to second rate and third rate status because it did not come from London, or Kansas, or one band from Canada.

I will always try to help the rest of the European scene that was so valuable to what "became" known as "progressive music" ... and I can see connections in the whole thing, but you have to be aware of literature, art and film, to be able to see all of it ... it's like saying that Fellini was not a director that did not influence many English directors, with his "I don't care style" ... that eventually brought out folks like Ken Russell to the front real quick ... and to say that it did not happen in literature or any other arts, is ... for the most part ... ignorant! 

They don't ban sarcasm, I've been a member there for over a decade.

 

No one would dare to ban Sir Humphrey from ProgArchives. Questions would be asked in the House if that were to happen.

What's his ID?

I will preface this with I have no idea of what happened this time as I didn't see the incident, and I suspect posts may have been removed with the 'offensive' content, but...

PE has always seemed a bit weird to me how they deal with banning members. Sometimes the rope is really short (and I don't mean in cases with Svetty, who deserves to be banned everytime he returns) but sometimes the rope is enormous. I hate to say it as it's only suspicion, but it seems like that length is tied to how well you are known there. 

21. I won't deprive you of beer(or wine). 

 

Your fetish album should be Kraftwerk's Auto-Ban

 

Unlike here, most of the US members actually know each other from prog festivals and have partied with each other and know the wives and sometimes even the kids. Though not as evident nowadays, there was a real sense of community , but I wouldn't call it a clique either, parly because there are a fair amount of prog scene actors who actually post there regularly. Historical members do get temporary bans for overstepping the lines, though. PY has a shorter fuse than before, IMHO, but it's probably because it's the same three admins for 20 years now, whereas here, they regularly change, so a certain form of tiredness can be pointing its head.

 

It is a tougher place to survive there then here, though

 

You maybe weren't aware of the fact that he was an Admin (FYI, the other two have +/- the same drawn avatar), so you could claim ignorance of that fact if you hadn't.

 

If I may, maybe considering taking out the grumpy part of your username could be also helping in seeing your post as less aggressive

 

 

It's pretty difficult to get banned from here(like Micky said). You can even ask to be removed and they still won't do it. So your pretty safe. That doesn't give you carte blanche to act like a douche but just know you probably don't have to walk on eggshells around here.

 

have you tried the one on here, where they burn me to death and imolate me to oblivion nd excommunicateme from all religion on the planet  (circa p 35) ??

Marillion survive because of fans such as I buying their music legitimately. Not illegally. They are not fat cats.

Really though? I would say it's pretty well known among most prog fans who pay attention to online forums(which would mean most of us here). The membership over there is a lot lower though and it's not as well known. Maybe many view it as PA's competition so don't talk about it much on here. Not sure. Back in the old days there was RMP( a prog newsgroup)then when progressive ears came out(it actually started out as prog yahoo group which itself evolved out of a yahoo Kansas group if I'm not mistaken) many prog fans stopped posting on rmp which led to it becoming more or less a ghost town. 

Then my apologies. Unfortunately, such “trolling” doesn’t come across well on a screen 

You are right. Many forums have a dedicated sarcasm font. Usually courier. Maybe it would be useful here. Enlarging met be good too.

Pointless for me because I am never sarcastic.

*spits a rather nice.. and expensive..  glass of red wine all over monitor*

and probably was still money still better spent 

happiness and bang for the buck is where you find it isn't it 

 

You ca be very sure he wasn't banned for that comment. I don't know the reasons,

but there where much much more worse comments from other guys that still got

another Chance.

 

The admins will let you know what their problems with you are, they even worked

personally with some guys who obviously had some issues.

 

So if someone gets banned from PE he deserved it.

I happily use both sites, they offer different things.

I had the same experience....more or less..  

Yes, one offers snobby elitism and one doesn't. 

 

I use both, I can't see where all that pecuilar impressions on PE come from.

 

The trolls on PE or the same ones that are here (Svetonio and co.) they just

move from on site to the other when they get banned (and come back again and again).

 

Haven't experienced any snobby behaviour in ages on PE.

Apparently so. I don't know much about his history on PE but apparently he has used multiple names on there as well. 

Yeah I'm on both & I've been bemused by the accusations of snobby behaviour on PE. I like both places a lot. They have different characters.

A much drier crowd over there. You pick and choose the discussions that are worthwhile. At least they don't have the endless repetitive Genesis v. Yes v. King Crimson v. Rush v. whomever polls, ad nauseam. 

Also, considering your name, were they really that surprised? 

Well, I can see why it came to be, and to some extent, I can still see why it still has that reputation (they linger on), but it is mostly a thing of the past

But IMHO, you do need a higher knowledge of music to survive there, rather than here.

I am still unaware of what that guy called Svetonio did. I read about him so much in this forum that I would be really glad to hear from somebody what did he do exactly? Maybe somebody can pm me or tell it here. Maybe the admins of the site may write the examples of what he wrote here in this forum, write somewhere in the page of this site, like Hall Of Dishonor or what else? 

Svetonio, who returned to this forum several times under duplicate accounts (the last one was Boboulo), is a troll who likes to spread his delusional theories compiled in his book Alternate History of Everything. 

Our Serbian friend’s main modus operandi was to flood the new bands suggestions thread with acts who nobody had ever heard of, and never would hear of even after addition, after they had recorded an “album” in their kitchen and plonked it on Bandcamp. He made my life an absolute misery when I was on the team monitoring such suggestions, and was a major factor in my resigning, given that I do have other things to do such as work and family.

In addition, his behaviour in the political threads was nothing short of disgraceful. As far as he was concerned, Tito good, everyone else bad, and we had a deluge of threads and videos posted attempting to justify his warped view of the world. I am a big believer in freedom of speech, and the right to have dissenting opinions, but his behaviour went well beyond that.

He would also start arguments with some frequency as to definitions of sub-genres, and what constituted this style of prog, and what constituted that style of prog, again with umpteen videos and trolling posts to support said opinions. Again, they were not rational debates, but pure and utter trolling.

He is the worst example I know of someone who is so utterly obsessed with his worldview, and refuses to accept anyone else’s, or respect decent debating and forum rules. He had to go. PE banned him as well, and he ended up on another loony’s site who had been banned multiple times.

I remember some time ago I have posted a bit too wide comment on what I think was the Soviet proto-proto-prog and the other forum members called me Svetonio and I had to look for the ancient historian's Wikipedia entry (Gaio Svetonio Tranquillo) and wondered what was the connection with me. Then I was informed and the situation was solved and nobody was hurt. No problem in it, at all. I must say, though, that the Soviet performers that I mentioned as somewhat-prog-for-their-time, were not recorded in the kitchen and were all of a legendary status in the former USSR and still are. My political views are also obvious: I don't think the USSR was catastrophically bad. The USSR was definitely a deadborn creation that was destined to die from its very beginning - creating a Utopian society with non-Utopian people is an unachievable goal. However, although I do not want the USSR back, I feel strong nostalgia for it. Like tens of millions of other former Soviet citizens. I can clearly understand the other tens of millions that hate the USSR, too. But there was not a catastrophe in the post-Stalin USSR, in the least. It was a weird pythonesque country that had its unique excellent facets. It is true that I sort of dislike Solzhenitsyn - mostly, because for all I know, he was not much better than Stalin, he simply had much less power in his hands... For instance, as far as I can get, Solzhenitsyn was imprisoned in 1945 because in February of that year he wrote a letter to his friend where he criticized Stalin. Now, let's look at it the other way: good or bad, but Stalin was the general military commander of the fighting Red Army. The war against the nazis was still active, Berlin was not yet captured, there were heavy losses and other wartime misfortunes. When the war reaches its final stage, the soldier of the fighting army criticizes the general commander of his army and proposes the creation of another political system in the country... Uhm... Wartime rules, wartime laws are strict. Certainly, the Soviet system overreacted and played it very tight. But, anyway, it was a bit insanely stupid or stupidly insane to act that way that Solzhenitsyn did under those circumstances, I'd say. 

So, in some aspects, I may also sound like Svetonio, probably. There's probably a few percents of Svetonio in many people. I hope I'm adequate and sane, though. Thank God for that! 

Yes, they have a Way Off Topic forum, but do not allow religion or politics in any of their spaces.

That's pretty much the experience I had with PE.

I agree with you, Greg, and as I said in the Collab Zone recently, I agree with your approach to moderating.

I do post on PE, but not as often as here. I find the site to be a little bit cliquey, but also it does have some extremely knowledgeable people there, and I do learn quite a bit from my daily visits. The admins on the site are also excellent, imo.

This is an interesting thread as I've been on PE since 2012 and haven't really hung out here much. I'm gearHed289 over there BTW. Pretty casual user - 15 minutes on my lunch break M-F. I can see people feeling it's a little cliquey or snobbish, but I pretty much let it slide at this point. It's really not THAT bad. I did resort to calling someone a douche bag once, but I'm sure he had it coming. Some posts are comically pompous. But overall, the majority of members are decent folks.

Grumpy, I've seen your posts over there and I'm not shocked you were banned. Not that I was ever offended, but there were a few times I was like "Uh oh!"

Maybe I'll switch to PA for a while?

Well, you would be more than welcome 

I listen to a certain prog radio station a lot and sometimes feel that way when I listen to a different prog internet radio station(or stations). 

I would still love you even if you did....

yeah I can dig that sentiment.. but from prisim of Mick

I'd rather have have freaky kinky sex to JB albums on PA than falling asleep to the coital version of Genesis albums over at PE.

Nope, no we don't