It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers!

King of Loss wrote: It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers!

Yes were clean, and so were Tull. Not sure about KC tho.

in general, prog bands use way less drugs than hard rock and metal bands.

The Miracle wrote: King of Loss wrote: It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers! Yes were clean, and so were Tull. Not sure about KC tho. in general, prog bands use way less drugs than hard rock and metal bands.

Yes were clean???? Come on...I've heard Squire talk about the drug culture of the band, and let's face it, Jon's been doing coke so long, you could grind him up and snort him and get high.  Don't know about Tull, but I'm sure KC tripped the light fantastic quite a few times. 

The Doctor wrote: The Miracle wrote: King of Loss wrote: It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers! Yes were clean, and so were Tull. Not sure about KC tho. in general, prog bands use way less drugs than hard rock and metal bands. Yes were clean???? Come on...I've heard Squire talk about the drug culture of the band, and let's face it, Jon's been doing coke so long, you could grind him up and snort him and get high.  Don't know about Tull, but I'm sure KC tripped the light fantastic quite a few times.

I'm sure Tull did not take drugs.  Anderson announced at the 1970 Isle of Wight festival something along the lines of "Tear down the fence, score some pot," mocking the hippy culture.  I'm sure Yes took drugs.  I've read interviews with Jon Anderson about how they smoked pot all the time.  Don't know about KC.  Frank Zappa didn't take drugs either.

Does anyone know about Genesis and ELP?

I'm pretty sure Yes smoked pot.  I remember during their 35th anniversary tour, before Long Distance Runaround, Jon was fooling around on the guitar while talking, and started singing LDR, but changed the lyrics to some pot smoking reference... much to the delight of the Yes crowd! 

The Miracle wrote: King of Loss wrote: It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers! Yes were clean, and so were Tull. Not sure about KC tho. in general, prog bands use way less drugs than hard rock and metal bands.

Yes were complete dopeheads!

Anderson's gibberish lyrics came to him from smoking tea leaves (he actually jokes about this in concert). Squire was quoted recently as TFTO albums concept was due to too much toking!

Most musicians did something (beit alcohol or more elicit stuff) and the prog bands did not escape that anymore than others!

Tull and Zappa being a bit more of an exception...... Drugs were discouraged but those two leaders needed no drugs tobe trippy.... 21%O2 + 78% N2 did the trick for them!

Tull were 'anti' drugs.

Zappa was 'anti' drugs

Genesis never took them, apart from Phil Collins who admitted smoking weed on one tour.

Yes were all clean living moderate drinking veggies - a part from Wakemen.

Rush didn't like getting battered on tour because they knew they couldn't play as well off their heads.

ELP. Dont know about them, but they acted like they lived on cocaine!

Hawkwind. Now they were perhaps the cleanest living of all. Lemmy in particular hated drugs!

Are you kidding me?

Quote Mojo Mag

""Me and Dikmik had been up four days on Dexedrine spansules, so we were pretty well bent", Lemmy explains. "But we had this gog at the roundhouse - the one where we recorded Silver Machine - so we had a couple of Mandrax to calm us down. Then it got a bit boring, so we had two black bombers each. We get to the roundhouse and somebody comes up with alot of Bombers, and we take 10 each - a lot. Then someone comes up with some Mandrax, and we were getting very twisted up by now, so we had at least three each to calm us down again. Then someone came up with cocaine, f**king big bags of it, and we thought we'd have some of that. All this time in the dressing room theres constant smoking - we were all blasted out of our heads from dope. And people were producing acid and mescaline. We all had some of that. By the time we come to go onstage me and DikMik are stiff as boards. I said I can't move can you? He went, 'no its great isnt it?' I said what are we gonna do when we cant play? He said ' we'll think of something...."

FUNNY sh*t!!!!

Pink Floyd( have you seen pompei), KC, Yes (Quote Squire "What can I say? We smoked alot of dope" Mojo)

Thats all I can be 100% sure on but I'm sure there are hundreds more.

I think its great - If more bands had done drugs the music would be even better

Depends.  Do you distinguish between pot and acid and other "soft" drugs on one side of the fence and highly addictive drugs liek cocaine and opiates on the other side of the fence.  I personally think it is ridiculous to lump all "drugs" into one basket. 

You don't have to go far to see the impact that psychedelics have had on prog.  Just what do you think as in that tea that Gong and Daevid Allen were drinking?

I have heard the the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is really an allegory for overcoming addiction, where Rael is a junkie who passes out on a broadway street after shooting up, and everything that happens after that is a hallucinatory dream.  The references are all there -- the "spraygun" is really a syringe (why else would he "wipe" his gun clean and forget what he did?), Lenny Bruce, a famous morhine addict is referenced,"the children play at home with needles and pins." 

But Jon Anderson on cocaine????  I find that a little hard to swallow (or snort). 

My guess is that you can tell which bands were doing drugs by how good the music sounds when you are doing them yourself. I can listen to Yes and Floyd (and most 60's psych) while stoned, but not Tull or Zappa.

I personally restrict myself to the occassional toke these days, but  saw Gong in the mid 1990's while on mushroom tea. A friend says he saw Panterra while on acid, but I dont believe him...

I took acid in Israel many years ago. this may sound like a wierd place to trip, but the tel-aviv beachfront is really cool in the wee hours. I fell in love with a sunflower...that was like tripping in teh f**king sixties man!!!!

Drugs were most common in the spacerock/psychadelic/krautrock sub-genres. They probably were essential for some bands like Amon Duul II and Hawkwind for them to create such atmospheric trippy music. However they also resulted in the demise of Syd Barrett and Lemmy's expulsion from Hawwkind.

Pink Floyd used to say that only Syd took acid and pot but i think some of the others did too. I ve seen the Floyd at pompeii interview and they were obviously stoned as Gaston said.

The Hawkwind websites are full of stories of Lemmy being strapped to beds and Bob Calvert waving swords. Actually i think Calvert did that because he was crazy not stoned  he tried to ban drugs from the studio.

Some of the best music made by these bands is the live albums where they are obviously stoned and improvise freely - Hawkwind's Space Ritual, Pink Floyd live at Pompeii and many ROIO's and live albums by Ash Ra Tempel and Amon Duul

Yes on dope...yeah!!

Have you seen the YESYEARS Video at the Tormato studio session recordings? Chris is smoking a big hand-made cigarrete.

I don´t think Jon is on coke, but he is part the Opium Movement. On stage at the 35TH Anniversary he joked about his remembrance of Ganga (Jamaican Hashis) when they originally recorded "Long Distance..."

On 97 he also joked that the "And You and I" ideas came "...out of the smoke..." making reference that he was smoking weed.

What about Wakeman... a confessed alcoholic.

I think Bill Bruford is the only clean member of the Yes team

I´ve seen some video interviews of Tony Banks, and he is continuosly sniffin´(probably he is always cold! )

Gong, Hawkwind, Sub, Guru Guru, Clearlight, Master´s Aprentice, etc. are heavily drug oriented proclaimed super heroes, but I think they aren´t the final answer on a trippy way. In fact those extreme tones sometimes are bad trippin´!!!

OMMADAWN and OLIAS OF SUNHILLOW are tremendously trippy... specially when you are clean..  

PEACE

Oddly enough, Pink floyd did very little drugs( witht the exception of syd barret)

In my Nick mason book " Inisde and out, a personal history of pink floyd"

he says that they only did drugs in their early stuff. But after sauserful of secrets, there was jsut as much pot smoking going on as in my grandmas kitchen

hey all- 'just passing through, looking through bands for a Aural Moon tribute cd.

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i have an old high times that has a picture of jon w/ a little pipe.

 you know- "i still remember, the tokes by the water..."

p e a c e

kirk/zenpool

lunaticviolist wrote: The Doctor wrote: The Miracle wrote: King of Loss wrote: It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers! Yes were clean, and so were Tull. Not sure about KC tho. in general, prog bands use way less drugs than hard rock and metal bands. Yes were clean???? Come on...I've heard Squire talk about the drug culture of the band, and let's face it, Jon's been doing coke so long, you could grind him up and snort him and get high.  Don't know about Tull, but I'm sure KC tripped the light fantastic quite a few times.  I'm sure Tull did not take drugs.  Anderson announced at the 1970 Isle of Wight festival something along the lines of "Tear down the fence, score some pot," mocking the hippy culture.  I'm sure Yes took drugs.  I've read interviews with Jon Anderson about how they smoked pot all the time.  Don't know about KC.  Frank Zappa didn't take drugs either. Does anyone know about Genesis and ELP?

In the mojo prog special, yes admits to doing tons of dope.

King of Loss wrote: It depends on the band  But I'm 100000000% percent sure that Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull were big acid treepers!

Well sorry to diapoint you, but Mr Fripp did no drugs whatsoever...aparently he doesnt likes them, thinks they are mind closers, as well as Frank Zappa, who also did no drugs...and your friend Gildenglöw!

fender101 wrote: I think its great - If more bands had done drugs the music would be even better

That's got to be, in my opinion, one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard.  Look at most any band from the 80's,is the music really that much better?

GatesOfDelirium wrote: Definitely not. Drugs are just as commonplace in prog as in any other kind of music.

probbably more so imo

and yes are always making random drug references do your research

BaldFriede wrote: Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing. Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced.

Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this 

Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second.

Revan wrote: It's calling my attention that prog bands don't usually take drugs, is that true?....

Why????? Why do you want to know that???? Curiosity? (like people staring, while driving!!, at an accident scene!!) You're anti/pro drug and want to push you're issue? (like people saying Enya is anti-christian because some of her lyrics could be analysed/twisted to make it appear she's a wiccan witch)

And to all those people here who are "SURE" this band or band-member, use acid/mescaline/heroin/cocaine/whatever, how do YOU know? Hearsay? The band/band-member said so? (like you should believe everything on radio/tv/newspaper...) You want it to be so?

  oh, the scandal of it all!

  we should clarify for the conservatives that kurt cobain was "on drugs"....

 yes smoking pot doesn't qualify. .

 also, drugs are manufactured. cannabis is an herb.

 kirk

kirk wrote:  also, drugs are manufactured

Sorry, that's just not true.

 yeah? name a "drug" that isn't manufactured, legal or illegal besides pot

that comes to us right out of the ground.

 heroine, cocaine require intensive processing, as does meth ect.

 manufacturing LSD requires a knowledge of chemistry.

 while cannabis contains compounds, such as THC, they're not sythisized.

   isolating and synthisizing compounds allows the phamaceutical companies to

 file for patent.

 the reason pot is illegal in the US has nothing to w/ health concerns-

see tobacco, alchohol, which can be controlled and taxed, the root of the problem.

k

  those are plants and fungi. my point exactly.

 they contain varying degrees of mind alerting compounds,

but they're not "drugs". "drugs" are manufactured..by drug companies...

...sold in drug stores. too much of almost any plant can be toxic.

  we must have a different definition of "drugs"..or "druqks"

>  pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't.

    wheat is grown. pasta is manufactured from it.

 coca leaves are grown. cocaine, heroin is manufactured from it.

  what you're referring to is processing for consumption.

from webster's-

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Function: verb
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transitive senses
 : to make from raw materials by hand or by machinery b : to produce according to an organized plan and with division of labor
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 : to produce as if by http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/manufacturing - manufacturing : http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/create - CREATE

  where the hell is the dutch guy?

k

Are drugs MORE common in prog?

I think so...

BaldJean wrote: krauthead wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing. Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced. Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this  Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second. you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too

Hi Jean and thx btw 

Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language?

BaldJean wrote: krauthead wrote: BaldJean wrote: krauthead wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing. Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced. Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this  Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second. you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too Hi Jean and thx btw  Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language? not that I know of, sorry

That's ok Jean 

Thanks, it was some serious good info anyway 

 we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.

Etymology: Middle English herbe, from Old French, from Latin herba

..if that's important somehow.

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Usage: often attributive
1 : a seed-producing annual, biennial, or perennial that does not develop persistent woody tissue but dies down at the end of a growing season
2 : a plant or plant part valued for its medicinal, savory, or aromatic qualities
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- herb·like javascript popWin'/cgi-bin/audio.pl?herb0003.wav=herblike'"> /'(h)&r-"blIk/ adjective
- herby javascript popWin'/cgi-bin/audio.pl?herb0004.wav=herby'"> /'(h)&r-bE/ adjective

 i'm breaking from the topic after this. it's a ridiculous subject to begin with.

 of course most of the 70's proggers were writng on various mind altering substances.

 and you know else? probably fornicating. .

 i should say, i haven't used an illegal drug in years.

it's just that the harm level doesn't match the hysteria.

as les claypool said "more people have died from eating cheese than from marijuana".

p e a c e out

kirk

alan_pfeifer wrote: fender101 wrote: I think its great - If more bands had done drugs the music would be even better That's got to be, in my opinion, one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard.  Look at most any band from the 80's,is the music really that much better?

Look at the beatles before and after they did drugs. The noly band that got better once they we're off drugs was aerosmith, the rest were better stoned

I want DT to start getting blazed

kirk wrote:  we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.

Maybe we would have been, but you brought up pot, aka hash!

BePinkTheater wrote: alan_pfeifer wrote: fender101 wrote: I think its great - If more bands had done drugs the music would be even better That's got to be, in my opinion, one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard.  Look at most any band from the 80's,is the music really that much better? Look at the beatles before and after they did drugs. The noly band that got better once they we're off drugs was aerosmith, the rest were better stoned I want DT to start getting blazed

Portnoy was actually a big alchohol and pot user, he quit after his daughter was born.

   let's not use the term "moronic" for a difference of perspective.

 although he's misinformed that hash is marijuana, he's still entitled to

his opinion...however misinformed it is.

>  Opium is straight from the poppies, no refinement necessary. 

  not true. opium is the first step in refinement. further processing

turns it to heroin. the sap from the poppy is clear, milky. opium is black.

the next step is black tar heroin(trust me, i'm from seattle).

k

HELL YEAH!!!

BitchBrew wrote: Ehh, actually mrijuana is mostly made from the so called "buds" rather then from the leafs, allthougt the leafs to often are a compond.

Where I come from they call it heady, kind nugs.  The leafs are a compound???????

"We are representing the Hubble Gubble Tea Company of Tibet.  Would you like some tea???"

oliverstoned wrote: It said to be very powerful and intense.

Never had a desire to try it myself.  I pretty much consider that phase of my life to be over.  Although at the Phish "IT" festival in 2003 I was given some very interesting chocolates to eat. 

I have read a lot of Terence McKenna related stuff and he was a big advocate of DMT before he died of brain cancer (!). 

 of course, there's many mind altering substances that occur in nature.

 any naturopathic MD will tell you, almost any plant can reach toxic levels

if we consume enough. it's that certain mushrooms and plants become "toxic"

at lower levels, inviting abuse and creating a market.

 by the standard definition provided by the "authorities", chocolate and sex

could easily fall under the wikipedia definition of drugs...mind altering, addictive, ect.

 my original statement was that drugs are manufactured from baser elements,

pot is not. the corn in my garden is a vegetable, the stalk next to it is "drugs"....?

 i suppose grapes are drugs also, since they can be made into wine.

..the younger ones here have to realize-

the authorities attempt to demonize a culture that's spawned

great literature, works of art, and the very music we're congregated here to discuss.

 it's a sore spot for many of us "peacenik pinko hippies".

 not to worry, repeated listenings of TFTO won't lead you into a life of debauchery

k

oliverstoned wrote: Yes great story! I've heard a story of a Gong concert in France in the years 74/74 where David Allen was distributing acids to the whole public. The person who related the story has took one and it was a wonderful trip, according to him. The acid was excellent.

I was born too late!!

Steve Howe can be clearly seen rolling and smoking a joint, and sharing it with Chris, during the making of Going For The One, if any of you have that boot video, check it out. Wakeman never did any drugs but as we all know, drank too much. 20 years clean now though!

Phil Collins, Chester Thompson and Mike Rutherford all smoked plenty of weed, Phil referring to the Lamb tour as his 'grass tour'. Mike did a radio ad where he stated that "drugs were a destructive influence in my life". Phil mentioned a time when he and Chester smoked some Hawaiian pot moments before going on stage and Phil panicked, not remembering the words to the opening song until two seconds before he was due to sing. As far as I know, Tony Banks never touched anything. Hackett, I have no idea. As for Gabriel, he says that he tried hash once and hated it. And according to Phil, he only needed two sips of wine to get giddy, so I think PG is one of those odd types (like Zappa and Fripp) who simply don't need any form of drug.

Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart both smoked loads of pot, and I have a feeling Alex still does. Neil experimented quite a bit throughout his life, but is clean now apart from his scotch (The Macallan - quite expensive).

Tull? No way. Not Ian Anderson anyway.

Sorry if this has all been said, but I could not sift through that whole thread, I just read the first 10 replies or so, and saw a lot of people spewing misinformation.

 has anyone read "the electric kool-aid acid test" by tom wolfe?

 it chronicles the cross country bus trip (the "further") of ken (cuckoo's nest) kesey

and the merry pranksters, tripping on acid.

  the bus driver was neal cassidy of jack kerouac/"on the road" fame,

the subject of KC's "neal and jack and me". 

  i lived across the river from kesey's place (jasper ore.) in the early 80's,

the bus parked in the field behind the house.

 maybe we should make a new thread on counter culture literature?

k

oliverstoned wrote: Yes, fantastic book. The most psychedelic book ever.

It's one of the really great books.  I also recommend anything by Hunter S Thompson, especially Fear and Loathing in las Vegas, Kurt Vonnegut (anything), and I should probably stop there and we can create a thread!.