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Topic: Björk vs Kate BushPosted By: Larkstongue41
Subject: Björk vs Kate Bush
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 17:16
What say you?
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Replies: Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 17:20
Tough choice, I'm a fan of them both. But Kate is up there with the very very best and Bjoerk a tiny little bit behind. Voice-wise I couldn't choose, both are top.
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 17:22
Kate by far
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 17:39
Love equally their first five albums...then I lost both a little bit or maybe more
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 19:01
Bjork for sure! Kate Bush is great, but Bjork is so unique in my opinion, and her parts are just so powerful! And her new releases are so good! And The Sugarcubes!
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 20:10
I think Kate is obviously great but I have listened to crazy Bjork more because she is so original and emotional but with the exception of Joni Mitchell and Laura Nyro Ella Fitzgerald and Blossom Dearie I don't listen to too many woman singers --
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 20:22
Bush
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 05:44
I like Bjork, but no contest against the best female solo artist.
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 09:15
B-Jork, baby! Her albums are masterfully recorded.
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Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 09:30
Kate Bush, so many outstanding songs, one of my favourites being the lesser known Coffee Homeground
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 09:55
You can find a bush of birch trees, one can be overwhelemd by the massive intertwineness of bushes, yet a birch tree can tower over the tidies bush, and with its white bark, becomes one with winter time .
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 18:22
I have to go with KB. The quirky female vocalist I'd put in 2nd place is Lene Lovich. Totally unique and crazy, but with a far more limited recording career than KB which I always thought was a shame...
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 23:12
Kate Bush by a considerable margin
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 05:26
Is this even a contest?
Bjork sound like she's tone deaf.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 05:48
I mostly like Björk for the video where she explains how a television works.
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 08:30
Evolver wrote:
Is this even a contest?
Bjork sound like she's tone deaf.
interestingly i believe Björn have perfect pitch, which also can cause individuals who posess it an ability to experiment perhaps also even to level of it sounds tone-deaf
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 10:14
They tell me I should like Kate Bush but outside of a few good hooks I just don't give a damn about her sound (as far as there is a consistent one) so it must be Bjork, who created some of my all-time favourite albums and songs.
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Posted By: TexasKing
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 12:09
Bush by a mile.
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 13:04
Björk
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 14:27
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I have to go with KB. The quirky female vocalist I'd put in 2nd place is Lene Lovich. Totally unique and crazy, but with a far more limited recording career than KB which I always thought was a shame...
Yeah, props to Lovich are long overdue. Overlooked, really.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: December 06 2017 at 18:02
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I have to go with KB. The quirky female vocalist I'd put in 2nd place is Lene Lovich. Totally unique and crazy, but with a far more limited recording career than KB which I always thought was a shame...
Love Lene--though Nina Hagen is my favorite of the female German rockers. Interesting idea: pitting countrymates against each other in popularity polls. Where would Dagmar Krause fit? German or British?
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 09 2017 at 15:06
The Bush....by far.
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: December 10 2017 at 15:35
Kate Bush, so much better than Sugar Cubes
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 11 2017 at 01:51
chopper wrote:
I like Bjork, but no contest against the best female solo artist.
Agree.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 12 2017 at 09:41
Hi,
So sad to see this ... unfortunately I have never given Bjork a good enough listen ... way too busy with every thing else to worry about a pop artist!
At the same time, for me, women were NEVER in competition for anything! Not even top ten!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 12 2017 at 10:52
My dad might have said that he was too busy listening to classical music (Western Art Music) that he didn't have time for other music. I don't blame him as he said his interest was harmony, although he did respect some jazz and liked Gene Krupa (and in other music he liked more traditional Ravi Shankar music). I have known quite a few classical music snobs who looked down on other music including pop and rock (other than jazz which seems to get a pass). I doubt such people would be that impressed with most Prog either, and think, ooh, classic Genesis is up there with Beethoven or that Yes is as skilled in composition as Bach..
I like Bjork and Kate Bush, but then I like art pop. I especially like Bjork's Homogenic, Post, Vespertine and Debut albums (a particular fave of mine has been Homogenic Live). Aside from that, I love the Lars von Trier film Dancer in the Dark, but I don't own the Selmasongs soundtrack ("You catch me when I fall". She was popular in Japan when I was working there in the 90s, so I first got familiar with her stuff there.
That said, I've had a very long-time love affair with Kate Bush, which started when I first saw her music videos (I especially loved "The Man with the Child in His Eyes". Later on I fell big for "Wow". The first CD I got was Kate Bush: The Whole Story, and then the debut which I adored, and later albums. So she gets my vote. The B side of Hounds of Love (the Ninth Wave suite) is a particular favourite of mine these days. I hadn't listened to the album in ages, but was reminded of it in a BBC program I watched on youtube. It's called https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_R_5Cribt8" rel="nofollow - The Kate Bush Story - Running up That Hill . There is something cinematic about it, and Kate Bush has said that she thinks of it in filmic terms.
EDIT: Was think of embedding this vid before, and because The Sensual World doesn't get get mentioned much I will (I got it in the bargain cassette bin fairly soon after it came out). I love this song which features David Gilmour on guitar (Gilmour was important in the kick-starting of Bush's career, by the way).
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 14:20
Bjork's quirkiness has become so predictable it's not surprising anymore. A one trick pony IMO.
Kate Bush is a much more diverse & intelligent artist.
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Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 08:17
Imagine sitting in front of the television as a kid back in about 1978.Top of the Pops was on and there was this weird and wonderful woman doing her strange dance whilst singing to Wuthering Heights. That image and sound stuck in that kids mind and can still be seen and heard in the minds eye some 30+ years later. That's power......real power.
Posted By: noni
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 09:03
scruffydragon wrote:
Imagine sitting in front of the television as a kid back in about 1978.Top of the Pops was on and there was this weird and wonderful woman doing her strange dance whilst singing to Wuthering Heights. That image and sound stuck in that kids mind and can still be seen and heard in the minds eye some 30+ years later. That's power......real power.
I was that Kid!!!!!.......
She's not that much older then me... In fact, she was quite young when she started!.... Lust!!!!!
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 10:19
noni wrote:
scruffydragon wrote:
Imagine sitting in front of the television as a kid back in about 1978.Top of the Pops was on and there was this weird and wonderful woman doing her strange dance whilst singing to Wuthering Heights. That image and sound stuck in that kids mind and can still be seen and heard in the minds eye some 30+ years later. That's power......real power.
I was that Kid!!!!!.......
She's not that much older then me... In fact, she was quite young when she started!.... Lust!!!!!
Yeah, I had the same experience with Captain Kangaroo.
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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 15:20
^ LOL! And Mr. Green Jeans....
Anyway, Bush for me.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 23:29
I think I saw that Wuthering Heights vid from television in the late seventies or early eighties. I was under ten, so really didn´t understand her then. I think she was quite UFO that time in Finland and for example my brothers, whose favourite music I listen that time didn´t like her at all. I understood, how genius she was in the nineties. Kick Inside was the first album to hit me.
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 02 2018 at 02:21
Kate Bush.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 02 2018 at 13:20
Bjork sucks. Stupid Emo kid
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 06:27
Dr. Occulator wrote:
Bjork's quirkiness has become so predictable it's not surprising anymore. A one trick pony IMO.
Kate Bush is a much more diverse & intelligent artist.
Ehh I'm sorry if I'm a bit late, but looking at Björk's singles alone, how are, say, Army of Me, It's Oh So Quiet, Lionsong, Big Time Sensuality, Venus as a Boy and All Is Full of Love anything close to the same trick?
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 06:50
All those singles except Lionsong is from her early days, when she was developing her music. Lionsong is not a bad song, but really haven´t got anything new. It could have been in Volta album or any of them came after that. Her songs today are very commonly sung very great way and in the back there are some electronic plurp. Of course I understand there are people who likes them.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 09:29
Mortte wrote:
All those singles except Lionsong is from her early days, when she was developing her music. Lionsong is not a bad song, but really haven´t got anything new. It could have been in Volta album or any of them came after that. Her songs today are very commonly sung very great way and in the back there are some electronic plurp. Of course I understand there are people who likes them.
It's a shame that you can not appreciate "poetry" in its many forms.
Unlike what you do, the work that KB does these days, is more "free-form" poetry, than it is a "song" and you can not do this, duplicate it, or even conceive of it, because they way you describe your feelings and thoughts is sort of like ... the Sex Pistols ... mostly fake and obviously media-lookfor attention to make it look like you have something to say.
Sadly, you do not even have an appreciation for ... let's say a Picasso ... so you saying that KB has nothing new, is like you saying ... you do not see anything in it anyway ... so why bother even commenting ... no, you have to say something not nice, and then expect people to like what you do?
Btw, "electronic plurp" is more of what you use and do in some of the examples you have shown! Both KB and Bjork, are not fake people that are tuned to pleasing appearances for the sake of fame ... they live their work and life for it ... while you are hoping that your anger shows up somewhere for being left behind in the fight for a little attention in the music business. You won't likely get it with your attitude is my guess.
Just remember ... it's not about the anger ... it's about your own work and music! If you want to last as long as KB and Bjork have. It's not likely they would have lasted this long if they were vain idiots!
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 16:04
Mortte wrote:
All those singles except Lionsong is from her early days, when she was developing her music. Lionsong is not a bad song, but really haven´t got anything new. It could have been in Volta album or any of them came after that. Her songs today are very commonly sung very great way and in the back there are some electronic plurp. Of course I understand there are people who likes them.
Well that's mostly because her recent years haven't produced as many well-known hits, still Medulla, Biophilia and Vulnicura each introduced a completely new sound for her (I haven't heard the new one yet), while Volta was possibly her most varied (The Dull Flame of Desire, Vertebrae by Vertebrae and Declare Independence were quite new for her). So sure, she always clearly brings in her own character but she's notoriously alienated a lot of fans over the years and also gained new fans by constantly evolving.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 16:20
I don't see Bjork as a "one-trick pony" or as a 52 year old "Stupid Emo kid" (being a kid is relative to one's own age, one might say, and she does seem to retain a certain childlike qualities despite her reaction to her letter-bomb "stalker" back in 1996). Kate Bush, too, seems quite childlike (maybe not now so much).
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Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 16:47
moshkito wrote:
Mortte wrote:
All those singles except Lionsong is from her early days, when she was developing her music. Lionsong is not a bad song, but really haven´t got anything new. It could have been in Volta album or any of them came after that. Her songs today are very commonly sung very great way and in the back there are some electronic plurp. Of course I understand there are people who likes them.
It's a shame that you can not appreciate "poetry" in its many forms.
Unlike what you do, the work that KB does these days, is more "free-form" poetry, than it is a "song" and you can not do this, duplicate it, or even conceive of it, because they way you describe your feelings and thoughts is sort of like ... the Sex Pistols ... mostly fake and obviously media-lookfor attention to make it look like you have something to say.
Sadly, you do not even have an appreciation for ... let's say a Picasso ... so you saying that KB has nothing new, is like you saying ... you do not see anything in it anyway ... so why bother even commenting ... no, you have to say something not nice, and then expect people to like what you do?
Btw, "electronic plurp" is more of what you use and do in some of the examples you have shown! Both KB and Bjork, are not fake people that are tuned to pleasing appearances for the sake of fame ... they live their work and life for it ... while you are hoping that your anger shows up somewhere for being left behind in the fight for a little attention in the music business. You won't likely get it with your attitude is my guess.
Just remember ... it's not about the anger ... it's about your own work and music! If you want to last as long as KB and Bjork have. It's not likely they would have lasted this long if they were vain idiots!
They are talking about Bjork; however, I agree very much. Very valid point, and I would like to state that Bjork is an extremely versatile artist; just because you cannot get into them, does not mean they are not unique or interesting.
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 16:49
twseel wrote:
Mortte wrote:
All those singles except Lionsong is from her early days, when she was developing her music. Lionsong is not a bad song, but really haven´t got anything new. It could have been in Volta album or any of them came after that. Her songs today are very commonly sung very great way and in the back there are some electronic plurp. Of course I understand there are people who likes them.
Well that's mostly because her recent years haven't produced as many well-known hits, still Medulla, Biophilia and Vulnicura each introduced a completely new sound for her (I haven't heard the new one yet), while Volta was possibly her most varied (The Dull Flame of Desire, Vertebrae by Vertebrae and Declare Independence were quite new for her). So sure, she always clearly brings in her own character but she's notoriously alienated a lot of fans over the years and also gained new fans by constantly evolving.
Her new album was a real gem in my opinion. She created a very large soundscape, mostly with electronic instruments. It's also avant-garde in a way (kind of reminds me of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, but they are both obviously very different). Highly recommended.
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 03 2018 at 23:52
All I can say, really nothing against Björk. I love her Vespertine and Medulla-albums, also listened quite much her first three albums and like them too. I have even seen her on the stage in the nineties. It´s just happens to me (like I think everybody happens) that even the artist that I have loved really much, doesn´t make music that I like anymore. I listen very little electrobased music (I think the genius of Medulla is almost all that stuff is made by the human voice although that`s highly manipulated). Really thinking it´s great thing Björk is still making music, because I rather listen her music from the radio than some others. I don´t have to buy her new music. So this is just matter of taste, I don´t love Björk`s new music anymore like I still love Bushes new.