Is the album "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" heavy metal?
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Topic: Is the album "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" heavy metal?
Posted By: TexasKing
Subject: Is the album "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" heavy metal?
Date Posted: November 26 2017 at 14:24
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For me SBS is too unique, sophisticated and musically diverse album to be considered plain heavy metal. |
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 26 2017 at 16:53
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Well...they are listed here as Prog Related not as heavy metal....so my guess is that most don't consider them just a metal band. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: November 26 2017 at 17:11
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Yes - but doesn't mean to say it is not without depth, complexity, light and shade. However, as the title track has more distinct classic guitar riffs in it than most metal bands show in a whole album - it is metal for the discerning! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 27 2017 at 05:08
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It is heavy metal, in the same way that Maiden is heavy metal. Just because there's more going on than you may find on a Saxon or Judas Priest album, doesn't mean it's not HM. It is heavy metal, regardless of how PA chooses to define it. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: peregrino
Date Posted: November 28 2017 at 11:17
| In a way, the fist two records were just as sophisticated, you have blues, folk, jazz, big band inspired music (like the main beat to Faeries Wear Boots), what was then known as pop, etc. In fact, I'd say SBS is more straightforward than ST and Paranoid. |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: November 28 2017 at 13:47
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Sabbath always had a level of sophistication and inventive edge (all the lps with Ozzy at least) which made them more than just a heavy metal band. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was, IMO, their intentionally most sophisticated record, along with (the arguably less successful) 'Sabotage'. ------------- |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 28 2017 at 13:58
Sabbath were always more interesting than "plain heavy metal", at least during the Ozzy years...after that they got very formulaic and boring to my ears. I love the 1st 5 albums pretty equally and of those I'd say SBS was the most inventive...but historically it's the album Iommi & Ozzy say was the hardest to complete and that they ran out of ideas so go figure  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: November 29 2017 at 02:33
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It's 65% metal, with 2 rock songs and the track "Fluff" ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 29 2017 at 02:34
I agree, although I prefer Sabotage. That was the album that got me into Sabbath as a kid. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: November 29 2017 at 02:34
This is correct ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 29 2017 at 08:26
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Oh, this need for genre-fication. It's Sabbath. They don't need no stinkin' genre. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 29 2017 at 08:38
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'Is Luc Ferrari zeuhl?' 'Is Edgar Broughton proto-rap?' 'Is Jolene dream-country?' 'Is George Michael motown?' 'Is Ligeti prog?' 'Is Macca's bass playing an influence on djent ie proto-djent?' Boxes are fun and many shoes have rested comfortably in them over the years. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: November 29 2017 at 10:17
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Synth-pop if you ask me. Their formative influence on Pet Shop Boys has long been an open secret. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 29 2017 at 12:23
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 02:32
Anthrax did a cover of the title song and it sounded Heavy Metal 
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 05:04
| The Cardigans did a cover of the title track too and it sounded like pretty convincing lounge-pop. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 05:06
| Black Sabbath is Black Sabbath. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 05:18
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Proto semi-post new wave metal with a hint of klezmer. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 05:26
| Well, at least they have always behaved like old school heavy rockers should behave. |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 05:42
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Who decided there is no sophistication in heavy metal? ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 06:47
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^Jesus. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 07:40
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 22 2017 at 08:15
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Regarding the whole Jesus decided there is no sophistication in heavy metal issue, my not valuable contribution: Being the son of a carpenter, and some say a carpenter himself, Jesus liked a bit of wood -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naJGLiU7Ugg" rel="nofollow - Norwegian Wood or otherwise. While having a particular affinity for wood due to his upbringing, Iron Age/ Bronze Age Jesus might have enjoyed working with, and wielding, metal had he had the chance (In Matthew King James version it is said that he did say, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". I assume the sword would be iron and not wood, and iron is a heavy metal. Also, I wouldn't think that common (ie. base) metal (such as iron and various bands) would be too base for him (base metal or metal with lots of bass). Being the guy with the commoner touch as he is often depicted, when it comes to heavy metals, I rather suspect that he would have preferred the ones that may be deemed less sophisticated. So, say, he might prefer iron and tin over gold and silver. While all four are heavy metals, two are more base. That said, Judas Priest did betray Jesus, sort of. Edited a bit, as in my desire for brevity I felt I did not add enough to the digression to be worthy of a PA post-at-tangents and failed to answer the initial question to boot. I classify "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" as heavy metal. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: December 30 2017 at 17:09
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Sabbath is primarily a heavy metal band with experimental tendencies. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is their most prog approach, and my person favorite because of that. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: December 30 2017 at 17:23
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Not.today's for sure ------------- The overwhelming amount of information on a daily basis restrains people from rewinding the news record archives to refresh their memories... |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: December 31 2017 at 00:09
| Of course Sabbath Bloody is their most prog albums also the reason that Wakeman drank with them in the studio (someone´s has said he also played more in the Sabbath album than Topographic). |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: December 31 2017 at 02:12
He definitely spent more time drinking and playing darts with Sabbath than working on Tales with the boys, lol. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |