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Topic: Yes/ARW...(really)
Posted By: Catcher10
Subject: Yes/ARW...(really)
Date Posted: April 10 2017 at 09:46
Man this is getting http://ultimateclassicrock.com/yes-featuring-jon-anderson-trevor-rabin-rick-wakeman-band-name/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_4572276" rel="nofollow - old ...... -------------   
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 10 2017 at 10:51
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- sigh - It really looks that they just want to piss each other off nowadays... Who told you grow wiser when growing older? Anyway, if they tour in Europe... |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 10 2017 at 18:51
| the drama is a sad joke at this point---especially if you had hopes of a classic line up---the body language seems to say they hate each other----I think Jon could get back with Steve but Rick seems to throw fuel on the fire. |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: April 10 2017 at 18:54
| Looking forward to a `Union'-style project that will be billed as: Yes and Yes featuring Anderson Wakeman Rabin playing the music of Yes featuring Anderson Wakeman Rabin and Yes'. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 10 2017 at 20:12
| I don't care what they call themselves. I would be more interesten in seing ARW than Howe's Yes... though I would certainly miss Howe on guitars, I still feel Rabin just won't do the songs justice, it doesn't matter if he is trying to replicate Howe's sound, or puting his own vision into Howe's old songs... Howe still does it better. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 11 2017 at 00:05
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^ Kinda like Howe playing Owner Of A Lonely Heart Yes east, west, north and south........ |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 11 2017 at 05:19
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I'd rather see Anderson & Wakeman's Yes than Howe and company these days. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 11 2017 at 06:27
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I wonder if Benoit David is up for starting a third Yes? Might as well make this so complicated that nobody knows who is in what band. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 11 2017 at 10:02
I was thinking the same last night......They should do one of those multi band tours, yet all bands would be Yes. "An Evening With Yes"..."Opening for Yes is Yes" "During intermission Yes will play for your enjoyment, while Yes take a break" -------------
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progaardvark wrote:Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 11 2017 at 11:14
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Don't forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoso" rel="nofollow - Yoso . ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Pelata
Date Posted: April 11 2017 at 12:31
| Apparently, Yes is more of a dynamic, ever-changing collective than an actual band. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 11 2017 at 20:42
I'm not so sure about that one. I haven't heard live versions of the song with Howe so often, but as I remember it, he does it just as well... I couldn't really tell the difference. Perhaps I would need to listen one of those again... actually, I would say I was disapointed because Howe didn't add anything new to the song... unlike Rick Wakeman on the Union tour, or on this last Hall of Fame performance, adding his keyboard (keytar) solo at the end to prog it up a little. On the other hand, I can clearly hear a difference when Trevor Rabin tries to play something from Howe, and it's not for the better. |
Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: April 12 2017 at 05:17
| In the old days it was "THE FAREWELL TOUR". Now it's just ridiculous. Yes really ran out of steam ages ago. The only thing I would even think of going to would be Wakeman doing some old solo stuff. Can't see how anyone can still be interested in any incarnation of Yes. Yes this is getting old. I remember buying tickets for a show in Calgary AB, Canada back in the late 90s and the show had to be cancelled due to poor ticket sales. I managed to get in touch with the promoter and he told me he wasn't going to lose his shirt like he did with ELP. These old Prog bands only have a limited appeal these days. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 12 2017 at 05:50
I never was sold on Trevor Rabid  I enjoyed Heaven And Earth. But there can only be 1 Yes. And that Yes has long been gone......... |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: April 12 2017 at 06:53
 Ugh - why can't they just get along? ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 12 2017 at 07:36
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I had hoped all this nonsense would end with Chris Squire's passing but alas it's not to be. Perhaps they should take a leaf out of Gilmour's book and simply retire then band name all together. Then, like Waters and Gilmour, they can each go on tour with their own separate tribute bands and still rake in the cash.
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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: April 12 2017 at 17:37
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Good grief......I think it truly was over when Squire passed. ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 06:55
| By all accounts ARW is a much better band than the other Yes, maybe they'll join up and do "Union 2". |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 09:35
 can they afford to get that many sessions musicians together again?------------- What? |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 10:20
Watch you tube concerts--rabin butchers genius Howe's parts on most songs---and the rearrangement of an amazing song like Awaken is just horrible---although Jon Rick and rhythm section is first rate compared to Howes Yes--- I will probably pass on both versions---a curse on both your houses The band of peace an love should practice what they preach.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 11:09
| I can't believe that Union had no less than 13 keyboard players contributing (including Wakeman himself). As if Rick couldn't do it all himself........... |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 15:22
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This whole thing is sounding like the http://ultimateclassicrock.com/yes-band-name-ownership/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_4572276" rel="nofollow - "who's on first" comedy skit....sheesh! -------------
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 20:36
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Who plays bass for ARW? ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 21:00
They already had their reunion at the Hall of Fame, and what I have read is that they didn't end up very happy and don't plan to work together again. So, if the Hall of Fame didn't do the trick, I don't expect it to happen again. Still, I so much would love to be able to hear Anderson, Wakeman and Howe together again. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 13 2017 at 21:09
I did listen to Awaken on Youtube, and as you say, I felt Rabin butchered the guitar parts. He is suposed to be trying to play things as he would have recorded them originally, on his own style or whatever, instead of trying to replicate Howe's playing. Either way, Howe is much better. Still, if I get the chance to see either version of Yes live, I would choose ARW. Perhaps Rabin will get lured into his film scores again, and needing a new guitar player, if Anderson and Wakeman still can't resolve their problems with Howe, they I think they should try and get to work with Colin Tench. And if the other Yes were to part ways with Downes, then they should get the guy from Iamthemorning. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 14 2017 at 01:52
Maybe the guys in CIRCA: (past and present) can help them out.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Shiny globe
Date Posted: April 14 2017 at 11:20
| So many days of being together all the time with the same crew and oportunities to know everything about each other, including what gets on the nerves... How could we expect better situations? |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 14 2017 at 12:37
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Apparently Anderson has an equal share to the name but can't use the Dean logo. Guess with Chris dead he saw no need to continue the gentlemen's agreement. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 14 2017 at 20:20
Wasn't the drummer that's worked on CIRCA the one that helped Yes out while Alan was unavailable last year? In any case, if they were to get a drummer from a related band, I wish they had gotten the help of Carl Palmer. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 15 2017 at 00:45
Practically every member of CIRCA: has been in Yes at some time, that was the point of the joke. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 15 2017 at 01:32
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Yes should change their name to 'The Prog Collective' - I'm certain Billy wouldn't mind
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Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: April 15 2017 at 07:09
Lee Pomeroy, excellent bassist, apparenlty one of the most demanded today (along with Nick Beggs). What I know, he played with Wakeman on number of albums and with ELO. I saw him also with reformed It Bites with John Mitchell. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/trevorrabin/?chartstyle=basic10" rel="nofollow">  <a href="http://steveer.ic.cz" rel="nofollow" |
Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: April 15 2017 at 08:08
| instead of who,s better lets assume all the roads yes take is one at least i think that what jon believes. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: April 15 2017 at 21:28
------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 15 2017 at 23:23
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Random thought - Squire was Nick Beggs' idol - even before he formed Art Nouveau / Kajagoogoo. I doubt Beggs would ever step into the shoes of his idol. Haven't heard much from Pomeroy..... Sherwood fills Squire's shoes in a roundabout (no pun intended) sort of way. I know Beggs played bass at times for the Genesis revisited stuff - Rutherford's bass isn't exactly easy to play !! |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 16 2017 at 12:58
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Actually, there are live versions available where Howe makes the song his own - by adding an extensive solo to the end of it. The song structure itself is quite basic, which is why Howe does not like playing it. I visibly saw him sigh as he went through it during the Union tour. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 16 2017 at 13:08
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And yes, this is getting old. Both versions of the band are doing little more than rehashing what they had already done. This is why I got tired of seeing Yes 20 years ago. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 16 2017 at 13:46
| I only saw them once, back in 2003, and I'd happily go to see them again !! I don't mind Davison and Sherwood, sure miss Squire though -he was the main reason I fell in love with Yes music in the first place. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 16 2017 at 20:51
After hearing "The Raven that Refused to Sing", and specially the opening song, I can't help but wish it had been Nick Beggs who replaced Squire. And then, Yes should have kept Oliver as the keyboard player, I believe he was doing a much better job than Downes (I did see them both live). |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 16 2017 at 21:29
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^ Oh yes, Luminol. Beggs is just BRILLIANT !! And indeed, Oliver is getting up there with his Father. I like Downes playing, but he's probably the 'lesser' of all the Yes keyboardists. |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 17 2017 at 02:39
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 17 2017 at 14:08
The whole thing is a mess---Howes Yes just doesn't cut it----other than Howe who can still nail it---they are not stars and they are not confident in their playing ---they plod along and it shows----of course ARW has a killer rhythm section and Jon and Rick are still stars----but rabin isn't my cup of tea and seems unwilling to really learn or play the parts-I have no interest in hearing Yes west songs which I think rabin really wants to play---so I gave up with these two Yes's a long time ago.
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Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: April 17 2017 at 14:39
| I stick to the early years. It really started to become a cluster f**k after Going For The One. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 17 2017 at 14:45
Back in 2012 when we saw GFD Tour, they played Luminol for us as a preview to the new album. It was just brilliant, the song played so well live and yes Beggs was a beast on the bass. My wife loved that song, said it was highlight of the show for her, the jazz lines and bass got her. She did not believe me when I told her who Beggs played for, she does not know individual names but knows bands and she remembered Kajagoogoo from our HS days. If you tell her Steven Wilson, she says the "guy who plays barefoot?"  -------------
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 17 2017 at 20:57
Steven Wilson plays barefoot? I saw him live for the Raven tour and didn't notice. However, Luminol was included on the DVD for the Grace for Drowning tour (which was filmed at the same theater in Mexico City were I saw him next tour for The Raven), on a 20 or so version. I did hear it before The Raven was released, and actually didn't get it, until the studio version was released and I got it, and just hearing it for the first time I loved it. Then I put on the live version again, and indeed it was a great song. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 17 2017 at 21:01
Oh yeah, Downes playes beautifully on his own songs. But if I see Yes live, I expect to hear mostly songs from before Downes time, and there are songs he won't get right... or perhaps it was only the night when I saw them... specially Awaken, he just didn't get it. As I remember it, Oliver did a better job. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 17 2017 at 21:28
Yeah, the best would be ARW with Steve Howe on guitars. Or just the band as they played Roundabout, with Geddy Lee on bass (and add him on additional vocals too), but it became very obvious that they won't work together. A shame really, since we need both Howe, and Anderson/Wakeman on the same line-up to get the whole picture. As for ARW and Rabin era songs, the one song I would really love to hear with this line-up seems to have been ignored for the live set, which is Endless Dream (the one song that showed that Yes-West could really do beautiful prog). Also, ARW should come up with some of the Living Tree songs, some of which sounded nice to me, but sounded like they really needed the rest of the band to really shine, and this might have been the perfect oportunity to get them right. However, I'm hoping ARW will actually give us the album we needed when Heaven and Earth was released, though my hopes would be on Wakeman really giving writing input into the band, for he's the one I have better hopes for really coming with great new music. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: April 18 2017 at 04:48
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I suppose the defining moment will be the Yes/ War album. Much as I enjoy Rabin and his contributions to the Yes canon I would prefer Steve Howe to add his magic to Yes music. It's a case of money though. Rights to name, logo mean a lot of cash. It's been interesting seeing so many people content that there will be two Yeses. Anderson, Wakeman, Howe... Thing is watching Alan White at the RRHOF and he seems a bit, well, tired. Carl Palmer's going great guns and maybe he should be on drums. I saw Nick Beggs playing bass and stick for John Paul Jones. A bass player' bass player... yeah, he's fine. Things is it depends on the bass identity with Yes. Signature sound and style was Squire's contribution, along with the intricacy of course. Plenty of bass hot shots around who can do the bass lines... but I would be a bit concerned at the bass blandness ABWH had, being reproduced. Even with Tony Levin and Jeff Berlin on board the mix they had - studio and live - was anonymous at best and detracted from the overall experience. Sort of lite Yes. But the grudges, bad feeling, game playing management will make sure the next album will probably be Heaven And Earth 2. At least Tony Kaye managed to get through the HOF thing with appropriate dignity. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 18 2017 at 21:55
| Yeah, I would love Carl Palmer on Yes now, since I too have had the impression Alan has sounded somewhat tired for some time. Actually, Palmer should have done the job these past months that Alan was unavailable. However, I now think that the best version of Yes we could get, if only they would get past their grudges, would be Anderson, Howe, Wakeman, Geddy Lee, and Carl Palmer. And I guess that one wouldn't have the problem of bass lite or anything. About ABWH, I guess the bass problem was not so much the inability of Tony Levin doing the bass part at the level of Squire (though I do prefer Squire as a bass player), but more that he was a session musician and not part of the band, and so it feels his contributions were just to fill the bass, and not be creative about it. As for the live recording I heard with Tony on ABWH, he did sound with more personality than the one with Jeff Berlin. I could hear a distinctive tone, different to the one of Squire. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 19 2017 at 23:31
| Yes were the best when they were 5 of the best in the world----they only let the best in---once they didn't seek out the best and let people in for political money or friendship reasons---the band goes downhill----I just don't think either band sounds great anymore---the chemistry of 5 great musicians is missing. And I know if you hypnotized Jon Anderson ---he'd say he wished Howe was in the band---he may like rabin as a person but Howe is his musical soul mate and he's left rabin behind a few times to play with Howe. |
Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: April 20 2017 at 08:29
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Yes is bigger than any one person. Having new people coming in and out of the band is what has kept them alive for all this time. New constellations brings new perspectives. The best thing is that at least until Benoit David they have let new members be themselves and bring their own special identities to the band. Examples: Steve Howe is not a Peter Banks clone, Rick Wakeman does not imitate a Tony Kaye, Alan White is not a copy of Bill Bruford, etc. Sadly, with Benoit David and Jon Davison they have broken this tradition and hired people who sound as similar as possible to Jon Anderson.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 20 2017 at 21:28
Oh yes, I agree with this. I guess it's since they let The Buggles in for the first time that they downgraded their aspirations for musicians. And then Trevor Rabin himself. They should always seek the best, otherwise they are not Yes. But even more important, they should seek the best songwrites they could find, since the old men seem to have run out of ideas. |
Posted By: SouthSideoftheSky
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 07:04
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Everyone who has been in Yes are excellent musicians and among the best at what they do. Rabin is an excellent guitarist and a good singer (though his lyrics are sometimes quite banal). |
Posted By: odinalcatraz
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 13:41
Good Lord!  Saw this just by luck. Thank you Dell! I am pretty much in awe of Rabin tho'. He can be naughty I guess. ------------- http://www.corvusstone.com |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 20:48
You should just look for live videos of AWR yourself though, you might not agree with my judgement. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 21 2017 at 22:04
Glad you think so but I don't agree---lot's of mediocrity in Yes over the years far from the best---guys with no real confidence or gravitas---Hackett knows how to assemble excellent musicians---Yes not so much--- Rabin did 4 albums with Yes----they are ok I guess but I rarely listen to them---Howes work is landmark prog---inspired many players---no one looks to 90125 or Big Gen or Talk for how to do excellent prog music--so it matters who is in Yes as much as I used to want to believe it didn't---and I did try but have given up
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