Modern-Rock Ensemble
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Topic: Modern-Rock Ensemble
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Subject: Modern-Rock Ensemble
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 17:52
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What's happening here? All these new members posting 5 star first reviews of a recently released album. Seems a bit like ballot box stuffing, but, it could be legit--just a lot of fans wanted to join in order to support their mate/a band they like. Time will tell if they are truly here for the music and information or just to boost a rating. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 18:44
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There are a bunch of cases like this. They've asked lots of freaks around them (mostly from Ukraine) to post a fine review with 5 stars here and there (e.g. Facebook). ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 18:45
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Their material completely missed the mark for my tastes. That usually means everyone else loves them. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 19:14
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Yeah, I thought the influx of love for this album was a tad suspicious... It's not a bad album by any means, but I was a bit confused by the overwhelming support, especially for such an obscure project. I suppose we'll just have to let the site sort this out. It's not very often that new albums keep their "masterpiece" momentum. ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 24 2016 at 22:57
| I think they're onto something. They're totally participating within the rules of the site i presume. So what if an album is highly rated for a while. I could think of worse albums to have high ratings. Very cool that so many friends will come through and write a review for you. Very cool indeed :) |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 03:30
Hah that is how I feel. To these ears it's basically dad-prog in the vein of Flower Kings, Pendragon, Corvus Stone and Marillion, which, granted is a style of music a lot of (PA) folks go for. I am just not one of them. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Tapfret wrote:Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 03:56
Not obviously illegal nor against PA rules but no good to overmanipulate the ratings we ALL consider. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 04:38
I am!  methinks a listen is in order.------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: HorAna
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 06:03
| Dear prog-rock fans, are you aware of what’s going on in Ukraine? Economic issues, political turmoil, open aggression and war! And all of a sudden there are some positive news at least on music on PA. Is it that strange or suspicious that local fans want to support a strong album from Ukraine? |
Posted By: lizzard
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 06:47
| I believe it is much more correct and ethical to support a project you like with a 5 star rate and/or review than to give 1 star to an album you have never listened to - simply because it is new and you are a fan of another group. |
Posted By: lizzard
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 07:04
It doesn't seem appropriate to call music fans "freaks" |
Posted By: Rock Garry
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 07:05
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I am a fan of Modern-Rock Ensemble (known back then as “Putnik”) since 1987 (Duke International Cinema Festival) and there are quite some more. There were hardly any chances for Vladimir to release albums during the Soviet era. Now, after 30 years of composing and playing he releases an album. His old and new fans are providing their opinion on his long-awaited album. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 07:08
Knowing Keishiro, or Damo to you, 'freaks' is a sympathetic word. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 07:21
Nobody here is talking about blocking anyone. It is just a wee bit funny to see certain albums (we see them every year) pull in people to PA's database ONLY to support this new band....for then to disappear again. They have no interest in any other music other than the 5 star masterpiece they've rated. Sure, like Keishiro/Damo just pointed out earlier, no harm done. This is all within the rules...BUT when you have been a member of this site for as long as many of us have, you remember the times you've spent your hard-earned cash on some new album that received 50 raving 5 star reviews in a row....only to be massively disappointed with the album once it landed on your doorstep. With that being said; if you love this album then don't let anyone tell you differently. More power to you. Just remember that other folks have a right to dislike it. If they feel it is a 1 star album, then it is their right to rate it as such. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: HorAna
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 08:20
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An interesting point
of view from Guldbamsen, that might be considered as “go ahead with “one star
ratings””. I am not only a big progrock fan, but working in a big Consulting Co
and having degrees in Statistics for me it’s already obvious that there is a
great coordinated “team work” done against the Modern-Rock Ensemble. One might
have a look – a number of “1 star” rates is the biggest and they were “coming
just in time to drop the band down”. Is the album that bad? Are there some
other reasons? Then it has nothing to do with statistics and true ratings. Instead
of accusing some “freaks” in supporting the band please have a look at the “killing
team”. If they don’t like the band they can just ignore it, but no… |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 08:37
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That is not what I am saying at all. Every high profile release receives some form of backlash - be that Dream Theater, Steven Wilson, Yes and in this case Modern Rock-Ensemble. You should take this as a compliment btw. Most new acts on PA receives little or next to no exposure whatsoever. The 'killing team' as you call it exists for every major release and there is sadly nothing we can do about it unless we can prove foul play ie people with multiple accounts, illegal downloading or rating manipulating. Ratings only mean little in the big scheme of things though. Reviews do. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 09:13
| I for one am not from the Ukraine, i have not been implanted with preference chips by aliens and i am certainly on the side of many who do not find this my favorite type of prog music in the universe, but i have been liking this album quite a bit and as i stated in my review, it is subtly sophisticated and despite the influences it wears on its sleeves is still an extremely beautiful listen. BTW, Ukrainians, i traveled through your country once and Kyiv is certainly one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. I hope all your troubles find resolution and your people can flourish and create more beautiful music. I was blown away by a man in the subway station playing accordian in Kyiv. He was literally playing three different melodic parts simulaneously. I have NEVER heard anyone do that anywhere! |
Posted By: Ilyaprog
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 09:15
| Here are some comments from Vladimir (MRE). They were sent directly to the most aggressive/devoted groups of fans from Canada, Ukraine, Hungary and Japan who were annoyed by the tough “rating trolling” of the band: “Dear fans, please calm down. Very brief comments from my side: a) I am a big fan of Spoke’s Beard and Neal Morse, considering them among 12 Best contemporary Progrock Bands, Neal’s album is surely the Best in 2016! b) Ratings? The quality of my album becomes no worse nor better because of the ratings, c) my main goal was to release the album that the fans of Prog-rock might listen to – the goal was accomplished, d) please don’t make a “dog races” out of the PA votes – good music will suffer. “Merry X-mas! War is over!” – said the Great Man JL and I would like to repeat it. Kindest regards, Vladimir”. I've been among others who received it. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 09:25
Thank you for posting that Ilyaprog  It seems Vladimir shares my thoughts on music in that it is a disgrace to make it into some form of sport. Sadly many do and feel it is important to boost or inflate certain album ratings in order to make X album place better in the all-important 'PA competition'. The truth is there is no gold medal nor promise of future success because one's fave band features high on PA's top list. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 10:16
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And all of a sudden several replies come in from one and two post newcomers all drawn inexplicably to this single thread. Ten thousand threads on a Prog forum and five or six new posters just manage to find this one thread. Whatever. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 16:20
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^ Exactly. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 25 2016 at 17:38
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Lol, mobile site doesn't show post count. I would have no clue how new the other posters here were. I can't speak for anyone else on PA, but I am well aware of the turmoil in Ukraine. I have coworkers from Ukraine who are very troubled by how their family and friends have had their lives turned upside down. But that has little to do with album rating trends on PA. Modern Rock Ensemble is not a revolutionary party or even the national Football team. At least I don't think they are? Are they? If so, hell...5 stars all around. And Guldbudsman, is there some encryption in your post that encourages/advocates 1 star reviews¿ I'm a little slow sometimes. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Replayer
Date Posted: January 20 2017 at 13:41
| Speaking of Modern Rock Ensemble, did anyone else receive a private message from a Ukranian publishing company that promoted Touch the Mystery in November 2015? I was given soundcloud links to a few of the album tracks and listened but never got around to providing feedback. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 20 2017 at 15:34
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I seem to recall something, but I tend to discard PM solicitations. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |