Books I Would Like to Read (Updated)
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Topic: Books I Would Like to Read (Updated)
Posted By: moshkito
Subject: Books I Would Like to Read (Updated)
Date Posted: January 16 2016 at 13:06
Hi, UPDATED POST AT THE END OF THE THREAD AS OF 10/2017
Andy Partridge "Complicated Game". So far very interesting and fun read. In the vein of Robert Wyatt kind of fun reading and humor. And he knows his music history, too! Kinda hard to write about this one, and I have not figured out how to do it yet.
Still trying to get Daevid Allen's CD/DVD's of him talking about his early days, but they seem to be impossible to get and one of them was on sale for over $200 ... way over my head and budget! Mine is the used book variety for the most part, or I can't get anything! Kinda running dry of reads lately, but sadly some of that German stuff is not getting translated, so I'm out of luck on those German books, Italian books and (probably) Japanese books. A compiled book with the stuff from the videos from YMO and Sadistic Mika Band, would be an interesting thing. Ryuichi, seems to have a lot of material and videos on the tube and for all intents and purposes these make a nice bunch of chapters, and my favorites are actually his solo piano stuff, and that is yet another thing that is more than just the progressive/experimental material that he was doing.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 16 2016 at 18:24
Steve WIlson's bio - tentatively titled..
how to become famous, beloved, and make a million all while duping supposedly intelligent music fans with sh*t music
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: January 16 2016 at 18:33
I have always wanted to read the memoirs of Vo Nguyen Giap but I just never get around to it. It would probably just piss me off but that's never stopped me before.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 16 2016 at 18:35
that would be an interesting read actually
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 19 2016 at 11:48
Hi, I read a lot ... probably more than I should or am able to see with bad eye sight, but it is stuff that I love to eat all day long. On deck: - Gilliam on Gilliam - Gilliam's Autobiography -- it will take forever just to go through all the cartoons! - Godard on Godard -- Still reading it 20 years later! It can be "tough" reading to make sense of anything he says, when half the time he is intentionally saying it backwards! - Luis Bunuel _ Autobiography -- just finished ... awesome!!! Incredible on history of the Spanish Civil War and the other artists and friends of his. I wish, honestly, that progressive music folks would read this to realize how valuable and important some of these events can be to one's art!!!!! - Peter Brook - The Empty Space (awesome books on the art of directing -- another one The Open Space) Passing on Kubrick, Bergman, Lean, Hitchcock, Scorcese and Fellini because there are way too many critics that kiss and not review. Finished Kim Gordon's. Not sure I wanted another "victim" book, but it's starting out that way. But it got better, although I think that things are simplified too much to the 4th and 5th grade levels, to ensure we do not see anything past the veils and curtains. Uploaded a review. Very different! She's more honest about her "art" than she is about the music, that I think that she sometimes does not know where it comes from. Just kinda sad that the "progressive" journalists, are not able/capable of writing serious material on the artists that gave us so much great music ... they are no different than any film maker, or writer, or painter in the 20th century ... but we refuse to look past the "popular music" and top of the pops concepts to find something else more valuable. Now reading Nick Mason's book ... the pictures got me interested! Graphics ... Art ... grrrrr !!!! know what I mean? SW, would not make an interesting read, I do not think. While I know he is very widely knowledgeable of music, I think that his take on it might be a bit too simplistic, however, if his own music improves beyond just a song, then I am totally wrong. It's strange to see him talking to Klaus Schulze, for whom he obviously has an appreciation, but on the same DVD I can not imagine him listening to those technicians, define one thread in the middle of Klaus' piece, the way they do. I'm not sure that SW is that detailed yet, although he might appear to be. He comes off as too much of a rock'n'roller to actually take music that seriously. But he might have interesting comments on the various folks he worked on, although I did not find that he improved any of them whatsoever, except clean them up!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 06 2016 at 13:29
Hi, Interrupted ... that dang'd "Gilliamesque" book! Nick Mason is on the back burner now!
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 13 2016 at 15:02
The best Pink Floyd bio Mark Blake's "Pigs Might Fly", IMO. I'm currently reading "Making it: famous names and silly girls" by Francesca Garnett and Lisa Bankoff (aka Chimera http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5780" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5780 ) Nick Mason plays a part here, too.
I agree that a book about Vangelis would be interesting
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 17 2016 at 09:56
octopus-4 wrote:
The best Pink Floyd bio Mark Blake's "Pigs Might Fly", IMO.I'm currently reading "Making it: famous names and silly girls" by Francesca Garnett and Lisa Bankoff (aka Chimera http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5780" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5780 ) Nick Mason plays a part here, too. I agree that a book about Vangelis would be interesting
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On a taped interview that was offered radio stations in the 70's, he talks for over an hour about "heaven and hell" and music in general. My favorite part is about the spoons. And he says that the spoons are in ALL of his albums! It's lovely fun to just listen to try and find the spoons ... but yeah, they are there for sure! And some of his stuff on the tube is also nice ...
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 17 2016 at 10:45
moshkito wrote:
Roger Dean
Other than the covers, there really is no good book on him. And his time is coming to an end |
I hope he doesn't read that!
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Posted By: Replayer
Date Posted: February 17 2016 at 22:25
moshkito wrote:
Tangerine Dream
It's been now ... something like 2 years, and it is not done. I think that Edgar Froese's death created a huge vacuum, but I would rather have an "unfinished symphony" or an "unbegun symphony" (as PDQ Bach would say!), than wait for a book that ends up with too much nail polish and perfume. maybe I am being unreasonable and expecting it to be more than it needs to be, but I have a feeling that Bianca and other folks are heavily editing/censoring some parts of this book, otherwise. We all know that Edgar also had a very tart tongue and was not afraid to use it. And it is possible that many folks did not like it, or enjoy the comments, and they do not want them published. Sadly, this could kill a quarter to a third of the book, when it comes to Chris Franke. |
I've ordered the book over a year ago and have been annoyed at the slow progress. However, last month an admin on the official TD forum http://www.tangerinedream-music.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4358&sid=4d0bb646d0ca35bc557813a5a4714124&start=60#p189914" rel="nofollow - mentioned : "NOTHING WILL BE CHANGED IN THE BOOK, it will be AUTHENTIC. This was Edgar's wish. And you can be sure that Edgar would not monkey around with vanities and gossip. FULL STOP.
EB (ADMIN)
PS: The book will be finalized this year, hopefully in summer. Thanks for your patience so far."
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 18 2016 at 06:51
I would like to read the fictional books Stanislaw Lem reviewed or wrote the prefaces to in his books "A Perfect Vacuum" and "Imaginary Magnitude". The authors are fictional as well.
Those are:
In "A Perfect Vacuum":
"A Perfect Vacuum" by Stanislaw Lem (the only non-fictional work and author, yet treated as fictional by Lem himself. Lem was always quite self-ironic).
"Les Robinsonades" by Marcel Coscat.
"Gigamesh" (no typo for "Gilgamesh") by Patrick Hannahan
"Sexplosion" by Simon Merril
"Gruppenführer Louis XVI." by Alfred Zellermann
"Rien du tout, ou la conséquence" by Solange Marriot
"Perycalypsis" by Joachim Fersengeld
"Il Idiota" by Gian Carlo Spallanzani
"Do Yourself A Book" (a literary kit)
"Odysseus of Ithaka" by Kuno Mlatje
"Toi" by Romain Serrat
"Being Inc." by Alistar Waynewright
"Die Kultur als Fehler" by Wilhelm Klopper
"De Impossibilitate Vitae; De Impossibilitate Prognoscendi" by Cezar Kouska
"Non serviam" by Arthur Dobb
"Die neue Kosmogonie" by Alfred Testa
In "Imaginary Magnitude":
"Nekrobie" by Cezary Strzybisz
"Eruntics" by Reginald Gulliver
"History of Bitic Literature" by Prof. Dr. J. Rambellais
"Vestrand's Extelopedia in 44 Magnetic Tapes"
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 18 2016 at 10:24
Hi, Lem is a very interesting author ... that defied a lot of descriptions. I first got to hear about him when Tarkovsky did "Solaris" way back in the day, when AD2, Can, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Cosmic Couriers, took my attention. I liked the ideas in "Solaris" a lot more than the ones that were presented in 2001, both the book and the film. I forgot about those fictional books, but I remember that our library in Santa Barbara had a handful of them, which my dad thought was funny, when I asked him about Lem. I, no longer, have access to that library, since it was absconded by the Portuguese Government a year plus ago, part of my mom's this and that ... and it will probably mean that all these books will be buried in crates for the next 300 years or more! No one will see these again, and there were many things in Brazilian and Spanish literature in there that were not even catalogued by any Portuguese, Spanish or Brazilian Literature library in the world. There is a sort of "blah blah" that is one wall big around dad's work in Lisbon that includes a couple of items and what not, but all in all, it is all gone, and buried and wasted. Will look for some of those Lem works for sure.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 18 2016 at 10:27
Replayer wrote:
... However, last month an admin on the official TD forum http://www.tangerinedream-music.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4358&sid=4d0bb646d0ca35bc557813a5a4714124&start=60#p189914" rel="nofollow - mentioned : "NOTHING WILL BE CHANGED IN THE BOOK, it will be AUTHENTIC. This was Edgar's wish. And you can be sure that Edgar would not monkey around with vanities and gossip. FULL STOP.
EB (ADMIN)
PS: The book will be finalized this year, hopefully in summer. Thanks for your patience so far." |
And it was posted after so much ... and many comments ... by many of us, myself included. I'm still concerned that somethings are going to be left behind and hidden. I can not see how any words about Chris Franke, will help. His own silence on the whole thing is one of the saddest things I have ever witnessed. The other is Peter Baumann's silence after leaving the present configuration ... and I believe it had to do with the experimental side of things ... the current group is not capable of exploring and experimenting with "sound", and I think this had a contrary effect with Peter, directly or indirectly. The samples are nice, but not great. More of the same, really! Just another song, really! Very sad ... totally sad, because I think that Edgar was hoping to be able to experiment again, and break the cycle of "song". The very title and idea of it all was to break the known concepts ... only to return to a song? ... yeah ... bad interpretation of it all!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: InstrupsychedeMental
Date Posted: March 30 2016 at 17:09
I really want to read Lee Smolin & Roberto Mangabeira Unger's The Singular Universe and the Reality of Time: A Proposal in Natural Philosophy. I haven't scored a copy, yet. Apparently quite large. One half written by each author, apparently, both making the same argument (Smolin as physicist and Unger as philosopher). In essence it might just be an elaborate attack against the 'time is an illusion' fad that some neo-logical positivists argue but I suspect it would be a little more enlightening than that. Smolin's previous arguments against modern physics (I'll grant him the contra-String Theory stuff) are interesting but his laws of physics evolving over time arguments don't sway me outside of any potential phase transitions from an earlier, much hotter period. Too bad he doesn't have the rhetorical ability of a Lawrence Krauss as Smolin's ideas are much more interesting; Krauss' take on why there is something rather than nothing will leave future historians far less interested than those still intrigued by Descartes skepticism; that basically boils down to a quantum fluctuation in the void went 'Presto!'. Comes highly recommended by Massimo Pigliucci, if anyone is familiar (teaches in NY and did a long-running podcast called Rationally Speaking). The guy is brilliant, in my opinion, and I had my eye on this potential reading before, so why am I waiting until Richard Wright gets reincarnated? I'm currently way too self-conscious of my posts, here, to be doing this in my current state. I need a (longer) vacation. Anyways, if anyone has read then drop word, and convince me either than the book is worthwhile or that Timothy Leary may have been onto something. Also, just ordered a copy of Nick Turnbull's book, Michel Meyer's Problematology: Questioning and Society. I heard an interview with him at New Books in Philosophy (more podcast Shiite cookie bombs) and it sounds like an interesting take on epistemology, a subject that has fascinated me ever since I came to the realization and acceptance that I was likely insane. Barring the less likely scenario where it is the rest of the world that is insane. Ockham's razor, I suppose. If I ever use the word 'apparently' more than once in a post, again, then please ban me.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 31 2016 at 01:40
I think the Smolin's half about the reality of time has been released independently.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 03 2016 at 10:39
Hi,
Just finished reading "Inside Out" by Nick Mason.
Now to figure out a review for this place. Lots of piccies, and many of them a memory since I saw many of those big shows.
One error, I originally thought ... the "Wall" movie was premiered in SF not LA. It opened there later for a few days I think. I confusing a hitchhiking trip that Guy and I had to the Bay Area to catch something or other by Pink Floyd ... have to find the "tickets" for it ... have them somewhere ... to find out what it was.
It was a wonderful trip, except of having to do pantomimes and funsies at 2AM in Santa Cruz trying to get a ride to 101 back to Santa Barbara ... I think we made it back around 10AM or noon. Can't remember that far back, but the pantomimes and jumping and standing still on the sensors to change the traffic lights, ends up being a ... interesting memory!
Cartoon like, too!
Next, is finishing the one on Klaus Schulze, and then Archie Patterson's Eurock which I have read more than halfway. Lovely history ... if anything for feelings on various ideas at the time ... very with it, even if some of the ideas are so out there, that one wonders where in the universe it comes from. Don't ask about Richard Pinhas, for me!
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Posted By: Guy Guden
Date Posted: April 04 2016 at 08:53
moshkito wrote:
One error, I think ... the "Wall" movie was premiered in SF not LA. It opened there later for a few days I think, and both Guy and myself hitchhiked to SF to see that premiere in quad and all that.
It was a wonderful trip, except of having to do pantomimes and funsies at 2AM in Santa Cruz trying to get a ride to 101 back to Santa Barbara ... I think we made it back around 10AM or noon. Can't remember that far back, but the pantomimes and jumping and standing still on the sensors to change the traffic lights, ends up being a ... interesting memory!
Cartoon like, too!
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Hello Pedro. How are YOU? Not to be contrary, but I don't think this happened... PINK FLOYD-THE WALL came out in 1982, and I saw the premiere of it in London at the Empire Theatre, Leicester Square, when I was working on my SPACE PIRATE RADIO/ VIDEO pilot. In 1982 our roommate days had ended by two years. I was on my own at The Chapel, aka Altair-4. I had my car, the Datsun B-210, so we wouldn't have hitchhiked North. I think the Santa Cruz memory belongs to another On The Road adventure. Something madcap, as we often encountered? BTW, I'm doing a blog on The Melting Watchtowre later this month about our record store adventures, searching for the latest stuff on Tuesdays for the weekend's broadcast of SPACE PIRATE RADIO on Sunday night. Monday morning. I even will mention the mornings at the Downtown L.A. Pussycat Theatre. Wait till you see my t-shirt. "Ventura Highway..." cheers.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 05 2016 at 23:22
Guy Guden wrote:
Hello Pedro. How are YOU? Not to be contrary, but I don't think this happened... |
Fixed ... definitely had the dates incorrect. I have to find my PF file that has tickets and all that to see what it was. I do think it was for a PF something or other, but not sure what. MORE was 1969 and I think it was brought to the Arlington to catch, and "La Valle" was 1972, but I think that our hitchhiking sojourn was around 1976 or 1977, then?
Guy Guden wrote:
... I think the Santa Cruz memory belongs to another On The Road adventure. Something madcap, as we often encountered? ... |
It was one of those "on the road" adventures. I still have fun with that one, and laugh like crazy over it, though it was exhausting by the time we got back.
Ohhh ... wait ... you took care of the English Muffin and tea at Denny's? Or just tea ... !!!
Guy Guden wrote:
... BTW, I'm doing a blog on The Melting Watchtowre later this month about our record store adventures, searching for the latest stuff on Tuesdays for the weekend's broadcast of SPACE PIRATE RADIO on Sunday night. Monday morning. I even will mention the mornings at the Downtown L.A. Pussycat Theatre. ... |
Wooootttt ... this Portuguese dayglo cook gets a mention? Let me break another bottle opener ... that would be just fitting.
On the Nick Mason book, it says one funny thing that kinda makes sense ... Tower Records was EMI's American enterprise ... and that would explain their very large selection of imports in the early days, and how many times we stopped there? I also enjoyed the Warehouse near UCLA. I got to visit Tower in SF, Seattle and the one here in Portland. They stopped carrying foreign things and imports around 1993 or 1994, and the first thing I told them was that it was the end. The Portland Tower closed a few years later ... and of course, these days, you can get just about anything on Amazon and the like ... but yeah ... I even scratch my head about the choices that were made.
BTW, the car, that 1968 Valiant, made it all the way up north with all my records and books, and then later all the way to Pendleton, OR, and in the following year, 1984 in the spring, I finally gave it away, and got me my first Volkswagen 1975 bus. I had a 2nd one all the way to summer of 2001.
I miss my bus!
Guy Guden wrote:
... Wait till you see my t-shirt. "Ventura Highway..."
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Oh my word ... I need you to get me one ... make it a 3XL ... so it will last me forever.
Those were the days indeed ... and wouldn't you know it ... playing a show from 07/22/1974 ... right now. I'll send you my spreadsheets on what I have.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 14 2016 at 22:07
micky wrote:
Steve WIlson's bio - tentatively titled..
how to become famous, beloved, and make a million all while duping supposedly intelligent music fans with sh*t music
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I don't dislike SW, but his solo work is not as valuable to me as Porcupine Tree's work is. I'll evaluate why more on another thread.
I do think that his work is a lot like top ten ... super clean and over studio'd, making it look like that it is better than it really is ... I would like to just go up to his place, unplug everything, and just give him an acoustic guitar and tell him to play it and sing. I get this feeling that he wouldn't be able to do it ... without his ideas of what makes music better and more important to him!
It's just a thought ... not a disrespect in any way!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: pianoman
Date Posted: April 14 2016 at 23:48
Codex Seraphinianus.
Though no one can read that, except Luigi himself, if its not just gibberish.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 15 2016 at 09:29
pianoman wrote:
Codex Seraphinianus.
Though no one can read that, except Luigi himself, if its not just gibberish. ... |
I'm actually thinking of getting this ... but these are hard to express and explain and even take an effort to review ... other than say something stupid like ... it's crazy, it's silly ... over and out! Which is kinda sad, and would not really say a whole lot about the art work itself ... Luigi, fits in the same area as Searle and some other great cartoonists, at a time, when it was valuable, a bit more than it is now.
These pictures are always great, and I just wish I had a BIGGGGG ONE for my wall, on a poster or bigger, to impress myself each and every morning, and blow out my friends when they saw it! It would say just about everything about all the CD's and LP's in front of them!
Hahaha ... sorry ... couldn't help it ...
PS: I would also want Roger Dean and Hipgnosis posters on the wall from here to the kitchen! Heck, I would like a whole wall painted that way!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 28 2016 at 09:41
Hi,
Got past one third of the way in the "EUROCK" book by Archie Patterson. It's 1981 that I am reading about right now.
Incredible book, really. If you don't know the years and how so much of this music was referred to, you really ought to hear from the musicians themselves and their plight for some attention. It was pretty much all over Europe and then some.
(Makes me wish there was a book like this about other music's around the world. I can imagine how so many African cultures feel, when so much of their music was taken and turned into "western music" in Europe and America!)
Must read bits: Peter Michael Hamel's discussion in 1980 about music and its cultural threads. Richard Pinhas interview about the music he and others play.
Essential reading for understanding a lot of "progressive" music and its design. I think that we forget how "big" and how "small" Europe is, and how close to each other everyone is, and thus how these cultures mix and interact with one another. Quite visible in the music history, btw. It is massive, on the socio/political relevance of many of these bands, although it never needs to touch the big three at all, and in fact, there are a lot of mentions and bands, and records that were pretty much copied by at least 2 of the 3.
This book, is, by very far, the best historical book on the music ... period. Sadly, it is told with the articles at the time, which is different, and not something that we are used to reading and looking at, but after the first couple of years, it gets better and easier to relate to. But hearing from so many bands, directly, and how disappointed they were that they could not get enough attention, is, to say the least, gut wrenching and very sad, and it helps to see how so many of these things fell apart so quickly ... and then how some commercially presented stuff made it so easily!
For me, it helps define music ... and its desire and need, beyond just "entertainment".
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 11 2016 at 07:49
micky wrote:
Steve WIlson's bio - tentatively titled..
how to become famous, beloved, and make a million all while duping supposedly intelligent music fans with sh*t music
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Or even better, Micky ... how EROC can make Steven look like a child playing with knobs!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: Greys0n
Date Posted: June 14 2016 at 07:17
i have so many books in my list that i don't know when i will have time to start it
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 14 2016 at 10:42
pianoman wrote:
Codex Seraphinianus.
Though no one can read that, except Luigi himself, if its not just gibberish.
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We actually have that book in our library. I bought it in 1985 after having read an article about it. My parents called me mad because it cost no less than 289 DM, which was almost all the money I got for my school holiday job (I worked in a book store). A figure in comparison: The average gross wage in Germany of 1985 was 35286 DM per year. It is the most expensive book in our library!
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 14 2016 at 12:14
Micky Dolenz's account of his time with the Monkees.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 20 2016 at 03:16
Greys0n wrote:
i have so many books in my list that i don't know when i will have time to start it |
It really does not matter where you start ... as long as you do.
There is enough satisfying stuff all around ... now if someone could translate that German stuff on Amon Duul ... it would help ... not sure I can learn German fast enough to read it!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 21 2016 at 11:37
For any of you XTC fans out that may not be aware of it, there is a collection of interviews with Andy Partridge that's a really good read called Complicated Game.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: June 21 2016 at 11:56
BaldFriede wrote:
We actually have that book in our library. I bought it in 1985 after having read an article about it. My parents called me mad because it cost no less than 289 DM, which was almost all the money I got for my school holiday job (I worked in a book store). A figure in comparison: The average gross wage in Germany of 1985 was 35286 DM per year. It is the most expensive book in our library!
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Costly, but sounds like it was a wise investment, both financially and for enjoyment. I believe the original 1981 Italian edition published in 2 volumes can fetch between $4000 and $7000 depending on condition. The other editions published in 1983 aren't that far behind. That's from a quick scan of AbeBooks.com. I think there is a more affordable Rizzoli edition published a few years ago. But for those of us that can't afford this, there is a scan of the one published by Abbeville Press here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/CodexSeraphinianus.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/CodexSeraphinianus.pdf Still, the physical book is probably many times better to look at than a scan. I wonder if Serafini was inspired by the Voynich manuscript?
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 23 2016 at 23:55
Slartibartfast wrote:
For any of you XTC fans out that may not be aware of it, there is a collection of interviews with Andy Partridge that's a really good read called Complicated Game. |
I would be interested in this ... always enjoyed that band and their attitude towards music.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 24 2016 at 00:00
Hi,
Been reading a book on the Jefferson Airplane, and while it is nice to read a few things, in many ways, it is also a very sad book. You get to appreciate and hate the flower scene, and how people that were associated with it, also came to hate it, and then how their own music suffered as a result.
The book is very good, but man ... it really hits the guts at time, and you can't help feel that a part of you has been left behind. Your innocence, or ignorance, I guess ... something that is very scary for all of us. I'll post a review when done.
One thing ... not sure I am enjoying the antics, even by someone like Grace Slick, which I have found distasteful in some cases, but that's like saying that other artists did not do the same thing, and we know they did!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 24 2016 at 03:39
^ Yes it was a very contradictory time; peace & love one minute, deceit and treachery the next. All it took was one idiot or bad acid trip and the whole thing was shot.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 24 2016 at 10:11
Atavachron wrote:
^ Yes it was a very contradictory time; peace & love one minute, deceit and treachery the next. All it took was one idiot or bad acid trip and the whole thing was shot.
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My favorite part always was when the family moved to Santa Barbara, from Madison, WI in 1972, and it only took me 5 minutes to find that long hair was a fad, and smoking dope meant you were cool, and could stay at the party.
Time to leave and get rid of the hair! And Santa Barbara, was probably worse. And it is not getting better. 10 years ago, when I visited mom, I stopped at Safeway for a few things, and I had one of those Univision baseball caps on which I got at work (Cable Company), and the sneer and comment from the person behind me was ... look at that ugly spic!
Cool and fauxplasticrich hip ... your perfume is cheap and smells like ...... ! It was bad, and 40 years later, it only got worse. No respect. No education. For me, it was the main reason why California is long dead, and needs to die more so some of these vermin, leave for the South Pole.
The book is bringing up a lot of those things to mind, and it's hard to not sympathize with Grace's wit and sometimes over bearing comments. She was not wrong, even in saying it.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 26 2017 at 09:36
Hi, (updated 10/26/2017 as new post)
Andy Partridge "Complicated Game". So far very interesting and fun read. In the vein of Robert Wyatt kind of fun reading and humor. And he knows his music history, too! Kinda hard to write about this one, and I have not figured out how to do it yet. Can not find a way to write a decent review of this book. Am planning on re-reading it, but since it is a one song at a time thing, there is a lot of the early stuff I do not know.
Jerry Garcia Book by his friend, that details Jerry's trip. Very nice book, though you know that it will come to an end sadly. Very nice book all around, and it really goes deep into the history of the area, with the folks ... difficult to review for me, though, as that is one scene I do not really know enough about and I did not follow or listen to Hot Tuna and the other bands mentioned. Lately, listening to some of the early GD, really brings out, how good a guitarist he was ... I may have to re-read this in order to review it, but his drug addictions are really hard to take and ... work through.
Meatloaf Interesting and curious on this one, for a guy that is as good a singer as he is an actor, but I think he got spoiled by rock music and the attention, to give the stage more time. Curious to read it and see what he says, but I have a feeling he won't say much about the stage.
Very interesting and FAST read and lots of fun. Still working on a review of it, but it may be difficult since he looks at singing like an actor does his script and this is something that a "progressive" audience is not likely to get or understand, because it's not rock'n'roll. Klaus Schulze - By Greg Allen Exhaustive listing all the way to 2007 and is as complete as you will ever find, and reviews every single album. Not sure that I can review that fairly and as detailed as this work was. Trying to write this one. The words for writing this are not coming. The whole book is an album review, more than anything else. Got a Revolution - The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane Strong record of the SF scene, just like the Garcia book, as it pretty much shows how the whole thing started and came to fruition, and one of the groups that was at the forefront of it all. Strong read, although many folks will not like the many moments that Grace Slick was out of control (so it seems), but in the end, the point was made, and the group maintained and survived. Also a great history of Hot Tuna. Tough book to review, as it is not really a "positive" look at the whole thing, and it has a tendency to say that Grace was just a bitch! Nick Mason Finished ... working on a review. Not sure I can review this as heavy as the book is, btw!
Not planning on reviewing this ... for me it has nothing new, really, since I was around since 1972 and a lot of this I had seen, and catching it on a book, creates an inner feeling that ... something is wrong here. There are, a couple of comments Nick makes that seem to explain a thing or two, but in the end, they still will not explain the making of WYWH and putting it out before they did ANIMALS. The two rockers were excellent and vibrant. The material that became WYWH was nice, but not half as well put together and interesting as what they did, and then made fun of the record company by having someone sign the hands of a devil (man on fire), and having a song putting down the very machine that paid them millions. AND after that a very cynical song sung by Roy Harper, that should have been on a Roy Harper album, not a PF album! Too many ... missing too much in between ... and I think that sometimes things were done just because people could see the direction and the thread. Tangerine Dream We finally have a deadline for Edgar Froese's book. On his birthdate next year. It's review should be fun! A deadline that has been delayed forever, but the book is now out as of 09/29/2017, but is subject to the turtle delivery system, and it took almost 4 weeks for them to make it to the country next to them, which means that it will be another 4 to 5, maybe 6 months before it gets here to the American West Coast ... does the West Coast have ANY folks that love TD? I doubt it, sometimes! A few other things: Still trying to get Daevid Allen's CD/DVD's of him talking about his early days, but they seem to be impossible to get and one of them was on sale for over $200 ... way over my head and budget! Mine is the used book variety for the most part, or I can't get anything! Kinda running dry of reads lately, but sadly some of that German stuff is not getting translated, so I'm out of luck on those German books, Italian books and (probably) Japanese books. A compiled book with the stuff from the videos from YMO and Sadistic Mika Band, would be an interesting thing. Ryuichi, seems to have a lot of material and videos on the tube and for all intents and purposes these make a nice bunch of chapters, and my favorites are actually his solo piano stuff, and that is yet another thing that is more than just the progressive/experimental material that he was doing.
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: October 26 2017 at 17:53
Just ordered Greg Lake's autobiography - Lucky Man - and going to hold off reading it until the Christmas break - when I've got no lesson planning or book marking for a couple of weeks, and can snuggle into a comfy armchair with some ELP and King Crimson in the background - and maybe an Islay single malt by the side......hmmmmm!
Keep meaning to give Smallcreep's Day another go - having run out of steam after a few chapters a few years ago. Not sure if I'll find it has a profound message, or just a rather quirky, unsatisfactory finale?
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 27 2017 at 15:36
moshkito wrote:
micky wrote:
Steve WIlson's bio - tentatively titled..
how to become famous, beloved, and make a million all while duping supposedly intelligent music fans with sh*t music
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Or even better, Micky ... how EROC can make Steven look like a child playing with knobs! | Or "How Can I F' Up Someone Else's Music With a Remaster."
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 28 2017 at 12:14
Rednight wrote:
moshkito wrote:
micky wrote:
Steve WIlson's bio - tentatively titled..
how to become famous, beloved, and make a million all while duping supposedly intelligent music fans with sh*t music
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Or even better, Micky ... how EROC can make Steven look like a child playing with knobs! | Or "How Can I F' Up Someone Else's Music With a Remaster." |
In case no one knows, Eroc is the name of the drummer for the Grobbschnitt band and he has a few solo albums and they are very good. It appears he is/was the engineer (for the most part) of all things Grobbschnitt, and the remastered "Solar Music Live" is worth having for 2 or 3 or 4 different versions of the same thing, and the recording side of it is really clean. I like, specially, Erig (Eroc's) transitions in drumming ... some folks simply count 8 or 16 beats to get started, and I like to joke that Eroc starts his transition yesterday ...
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 29 2017 at 22:28
Squonk19 wrote:
Just ordered Greg Lake's autobiography - Lucky Man - and going to hold off reading it until the Christmas break - when I've got no lesson planning or book marking for a couple of weeks, and can snuggle into a comfy armchair with some ELP and King Crimson in the background - and maybe an Islay single malt by the side......hmmmmm!
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I'm planning on getting this, although I was (probably) one of the first to get the two solo albums he had when he first went alone, and I loved the first one with the two huge anthems in them, and then the 2nd album was a total wash down of every thing, and a great disappointment ... sorry , I was into Bob Dylan the whole time, and the far out music is not interesting to me ... kind of thing.
It was nice to see him, though I never caught him in concert, finally go back and be able to perform some of the great things he sang way back, going all the way back ... even if the renditions were not great themselves, at least they stood up lyrically. Compare some of these with KC doing some of these things recently, and it is quite different.
I always thought that Greg was more of an actor saying his words in a lot of the stuff he did, from the very early days, but I think that the rock'n'roll media thing got to him, and he tried the conventional singing thing and did not make it sound OK. Some will say, there is no difference, but there is ... ask Meatloaf about that ... "I'm an actor singing!"
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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