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Topic: 2nd Round Clas: Birds of Fire v. Arbeit Macht Frei
Posted By: micky
Subject: 2nd Round Clas: Birds of Fire v. Arbeit Macht Frei
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:39
whoo hooo.. talk about a heavyweight match.. perhaps not in popularity or nostalgia catagory but in shear notes for minute catagory..

two of the more fearsomely talented groups ever to be called prog.. how can one decide?

in this corner... Birds of Fire!!!  Reviewed by another great and unique character of PA's past. .and present. The legend himself.  Hugues 'Japan rules' Chantraine LOL ClapHeart

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3357" rel="nofollow">Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Fire CD (album) cover

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Jazz Rock/Fusion

4.35 | 962 ratings

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5 stars How does one better perfection? How could MO possibly top their incredible Inner Mounting Flame debut album? Well for one, they didn't know that it couldn't be bettered and for two, they actually did it by fiddling and twiddling the tiny imperfections and an increase tightness as they were now well acquainted with each other after pulling 300 concerts over two years, whereas for TIMF, MO had been together a matter of weeks. So in the early fall of 72 came out Birds Of Fire with an outstanding artwork halfway between Rothko and Folon and incendiary music to match both the cover and the title. With an unchanged line-up, MO was now soaring so high that the air is getting thin.

Unlike the debut who had only one track under the 5 minute-mark, Birds Of Fire is made of a myriad of shorter tracks with the just two well over that same 5 minute-mark. One of those being the opening title track that sets the standard even higher than Meeting did on TIMF, with Hammer and McLaughlin trading riffs and links over a wild rhythm section, which violinist Goodman choose to accompany to great affects. This track is most likely imbedded in the vast majority of 40-something western music fans' subconscious mind, because it sounds familiar to almost everyone. A slower Miles Beyond (obviously dedicated to the man with the horn) crescendoes slowly until a huge riff takes the track upside down and once there, only Hammer and Goodman are keeping it alive until Mc and Cob come to the rescue and bring it back on its toes. An amazing trick that shouldn't let anyone

The rest of the tracks on the first side are short thingies insuring quick changes, starting with Celestial Terrestrial Commuting, which obviously influenced Steve Hillage's early solo works (Fish Rising to Open), Sapphire Bullets being just an electronic frenzy. A Spanish piano and guitar duo introducing a Flamenco ambiance where Mc's fiery guitar goes to extreme, while Laird's bass provide plenty of underlying drama and the needle lifts off another Meeting motif reworking, this time called Hope.

The monstrous 10-mins One World (an oldie from the Lifetime days) opens up the flipside, first gently under Cobham4S gentle drive morphing into a martial beat and bringing the track up to 200 MPH, with Hammer, Mc and Goodman trading licks, motifs and soloing away, before Cobham takes a solo (even if he's the best in the world, it's still a boring solo, no matter how overstretched it is) and thankfully closing up the track with some powerful instrumental interplay. Sanctuary is a slow-developing track, opening on Goodman's uber-absolute violin than the rest of the musicians slowly entering the track, in full restraint, the listener can hear the quintet containing their energies to avoid exploding and respect the superb track. Open Country joy is often a bit overlooked, with its pastoral violin line, then a slight explosion before bringing us to one of the world's best album endings: Resolution, which starts on a solemn martial chill-inducing crescendoing track bringing the tension to a max allowable (Goodman's violin is incredibly efficient at this) before the burst.. Which will never come as the track ends and the needle lifts off, leaving us to imagine the explosion of molten volcanic rock in fusion. What a bunch of bloody teasers

Well, MO managed to perfect perfection, and they probably did it without being aware of the feat and actually rushing it up. Indeed the album was done between two tours and most members think they could've twiddled a few more knobs and refined the compositions to better it further still. As can be heard in One World, the three soloists where in a very competitive environment and the egos where now acting up a bit, although in this album it remains at a healthy level.

As a side note, regarding the egos, Mc had been recording his collab with buddy Carlos Santana and taking with him Cobham, eventually touring to promote the Love Devotion Supreme album, hand coming within hours of missing the opening the first concert of MO's tour of Japan, thus being under-rehearsed for a while and creating much bad vibes for the next six months before the group implodes, taking in the abyss the recording sessions of their next album >> see Lost Trident and Nothingness reviews for more details.

and for the Italians..  Scott!!!! Clap

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=102" rel="nofollow">Area - Arbeit Macht Frei CD (album) cover

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=102" rel="nofollow - ARBEIT MACHT FREI

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=26" rel="nofollow - Area

 

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4.30 | 464 ratings

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5 stars Area's stunning ferociously original approach to music left me in awe.

"Arbeit Macht Frei" is my first taste of this delicious Italian prog band hailing from the eclectic golden era of the 70s; it simply was a delightful experience. The music is astonishingly different and wonderfully complex. One to savour for progheads who like prog to be sheer adventure.

It begins slowly and then builds to the incredible 'Luglio, agosto, settembre (nero)' (July, August , Black September) "Forget your weapons and live in peace" a female voice pleads, "My love, With peace, with peace I have placed Loving flowers at your feet, With peace, with peace I stopped the seas of blood for you, Forget anger, Forget pain..." Then a strange male voice echoes the sentiment. The Arabian music flies out of the speakers and pins you to the wall with unrelenting power. The lyrics are in Italian but translated as: "Playing with the world, leaving it in pieces, Children that the sun has reduced to old age. It's not my fault if your reality forces me to fight your conspiracy of silence. Maybe one day we will know what it means to drown in blood with humanity."

Amazing lyrical power is accompanied by foreign sounding duel woodwind flourishes. The time sig picks up considerable pace and there is a great duel sax trade off instrumental with polyrhythms, sporadic tom tom drums and screeching vocals by Demetrio Stratos. His vocal gymnastics are well executed and become another instrument. It is chilling, ethereal but very emotional, almost screaming out in anger. The eccentric music is not for the squeamish, coming across as angry and volatile but it soon settles into a strange ambient peaceful section threatening to explode at any moment. The droning saxes are portentous and looming. Translated the final words are: "When you see the world without problems seek the essence of all things. It's not my fault if your reality forces me to make war with humanity". It ends with the main motif. In a word ? alarmingly brilliant!

The title track 'Arbeit Macht Frei' follows and typifies the approach of the band to unconventional music. Innovative virtuoso musicianship with always interchanging time signatures and mood swings. The insane sax work is reminiscent of the type of work Jackson did with VDGG or even King Crimson in the early years. There are some wild flourishes of polytonalities, and the drums simply take off. When the band is in full flight such as midway through the title track, it is the most compelling music you will hear. The bassline is awesome and really holds the track together and then it stops suddenly. The style of Stratos is similar to the vocal style of Grobschnitt or PFM for that matter. High falsetto in places but easy to listen to and utterly full of conviction.

Track 3, 'Consapavolezza', begins with some ominous sax and bass, with a clean guitar sound. The vocals are distinct complete with rolling R's. There is a beautiful instrumental break with scorching sax and ambient keyboards. These guys were not kidding! Intersecting passages of dark and light and always a quirky humourous streak breaking through. The drums are sporadic and jazz fusion influenced. This is RPI at its best.

'Le Labbra Del Tempo' is a 6 minute improvisational jazz fest. It stops and starts at will and the drums struggle to keep up but somehow do. The urgent sax is accompanied by Stratos estranged vocals. It locks into an infectious groove, that takes detours and echoes the vocal rhythms. Metrical shapes take over and there is a keyboard instrumental and the drums spiral out of control. he guitar work is frenetic but suitable. The high strangeness of echoing keys are a feature and then it is again brought to some semblance of orde rwith an ambient section of melancholy beauty. Very heavy synth is a welcome change, Stratos sings in his own inimitable style. Once again the fast paced music takes over, a sax and guitar pysch-out. Amazing prog.

'240 Chilometri Da Smirne' begins with high saxophone solo and an offbeat rhythmic metrical pattern of bass and drums. It is a strange blend of time sig metronome bending prog and jazz fusion. There is a strong bass solo that continues under screaming dueling staccato sax blasts and shimmering keyboards. A very full wall of sound is created and it goes haywire for a few moments then is pulled back together by the key musical motif. This is broken by a freakout section with organ squelches until it fades with a moaning sax. A sensual , gorgeous instrumental.

'L'Abbattimento Dello Zeppelin' is the weirdest track; a spoken wailing section with estranged sax and bizarre effects is unsettling, unnerving, macabre at times, but a solid way to end such a ground breaking album. The drums echo the vocals and explode into a cacophony of freakout noise, like the end of KC's '21st Century Schizoid Man'. An insane section with break out instrumental violence follows and then this oddity abruptly ends without warning.

What I love about this album is its unabashed unconventionality, and unashamed brutality towards music. Emotionally stirring and unforgettable, this is one of the best things to come out of Italy, along with Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Premiata Forneri Marconi. It is adventurous and intricate fusion to the Nth degree; music that will repel some and compel others. I was totally compelled by the sheer force, the unmistakeable vigour and energy of Area.

God bless the excellent reviewers who led me to this album. It is a definitive masterpiece!






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Replies:
Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:45


Demetrio Stratos is watching you guys that are not voting on Area.

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:57
My fave Maha vs my not fave Area. The Orchestra.


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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:04
Zravkapt, this is the second or third poll we disagree.

I'am watching you. hahah

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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:20
Very cruel Micky giving us these choices...but....Area's finest hour is pretty hard to beat.


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:03
Area by a nostril's hair.

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:19
Arbeit Macht Frei!

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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:29
This is the most difficult poll of this round for me. I might have to spin these later on.

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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:34
Mahavishnu.


Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 11:24
This is a tie for me .... But voted MO.


Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 12:09
Although I am a fan of both RPI and JRF I don't care that much for the Area CDs that I own.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 15:20
Area very easily for me, I like the MO one but Area's is a monster

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 15:21
Area, but another tough match up.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:11
Area pretty easily. DEMETRIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(all those Os should be yodeled, strangled, otherwise belted out by Stratos himself)


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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:15
Both are albums I just can't get into. Heard "Birds Of Fire" today for the first time, as I've never been bothered to sit all the way through it. Similarly, Area is very musically commendable with undeniable talent, but I never listen to it. No vote Confused


Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:25
OMG tough tough tough...
Area gets my vote right now.


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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 20:08
Damn, this is tough.  I love Area, but this one is not my favorite by them as I like Crac more so it goes to the Birds.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 06:33
One album is merely a great fusion album

the other is that..and SO MUCH more...


Area for Micky Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 06:47
Yes, Area is worthy of another vote, which makes them almost tie to each other (at the moment I write this).


Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 06:49
i voted for "Arbeit Macht Frei".


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 18:40
Voted Area. Mahavishnu haven't really stuck with me. 

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 19:34
Really disspaointed with you guys. :(

Area should always win.

I'am out of here. Going to found my own ProgArchives with blackjack and hookers.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 20:20
hahahha.. damnit man.. we knew you were potential collab material for a reason. That is the spirit!!! Anger, condensation, threats of melodramic departures. Man.. you covered all the collab bases IN ONE POST haha.. within a year I bet you'll be an admin on this site hahah

That is what this forum needs passion.. that sense that the gen pop here doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground. There is a reason why reviews are weighted for the collabs.. I should have done the votes that way as well. Hell.. I just might retofit that in if these mystifying results continue to come in.  Clap

one is a great fusion album

the other matches that.. and tops it further still..

no brainer.. this is prog forum you know.. adventurous.. pushing the boundries. Doesn't that count.

Pfff .. english v. non-english.  suprise surprise... whatever!! LOL


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 20:41
Birds of Fire

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 20:45
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. damnit man.. we knew you were potential collab material for a reason. That is the spirit!!! Anger, condensation, threats of melodramic departures. Man.. you covered all the collab bases IN ONE POST haha.. within a year I bet you'll be an admin on this site hahah

That is what this forum needs passion.. that sense that the gen pop here doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground. There is a reason why reviews are weighted for the collabs.. I should have done the votes that way as well. Hell.. I just might retofit that in if these mystifying results continue to come in.  Clap

one is a great fusion album

the other matches that.. and tops it further still..

no brainer.. this is prog forum you know.. adventurous.. pushing the boundries. Doesn't that count.

Pfff .. english v. non-english.  suprise surprise... whatever!! LOL

I'am speechless now, Micky. LOL
Its just came from the guts, you know?

An I'am not even defending Jethro Tull yet. Just wait to see!


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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 20:46
Mahavishnu
 


Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 21:38


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 22:01
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. damnit man.. we knew you were potential collab material for a reason. That is the spirit!!! Anger, condensation, threats of melodramic departures. Man.. you covered all the collab bases IN ONE POST haha.. within a year I bet you'll be an admin on this site hahah

That is what this forum needs passion.. that sense that the gen pop here doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground. There is a reason why reviews are weighted for the collabs.. I should have done the votes that way as well. Hell.. I just might retofit that in if these mystifying results continue to come in.  Clap

one is a great fusion album

the other matches that.. and tops it further still..

no brainer.. this is prog forum you know.. adventurous.. pushing the boundries. Doesn't that count.

Pfff .. english v. non-english.  suprise surprise... whatever!! LOL

I'am speechless now, Micky. LOL
Its just came from the guts, you know?

An I'am not even defending Jethro Dull yet. Just wait to see!


from the guts .. from the heart.  Love it. Not enough of it around here these days.  There is no passion.. no fire around here anymore.  To me summarizes the bigger picture death throes of the genre.

Shame you came to the site as late as you did.. you would have loved this place 5-10 years ago.. you would have fit right in. Hell I would have even drafted you for my AR team of forum thugs and hitmen.


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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 06:05
...and people continued to vote for MO. Man... I'am writting your names uh?

Dont worry, Micky, as a bearded one that I like said once: "all that is solid melts into air". Things change and change and change once again...


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 06:21
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. damnit man.. we knew you were potential collab material for a reason. That is the spirit!!! Anger, condensation, threats of melodramic departures. Man.. you covered all the collab bases IN ONE POST haha.. within a year I bet you'll be an admin on this site hahah

That is what this forum needs passion.. that sense that the gen pop here doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground. There is a reason why reviews are weighted for the collabs.. I should have done the votes that way as well. Hell.. I just might retofit that in if these mystifying results continue to come in.  Clap

one is a great fusion album

the other matches that.. and tops it further still..

no brainer.. this is prog forum you know.. adventurous.. pushing the boundries. Doesn't that count.

Pfff .. english v. non-english.  suprise surprise... whatever!! LOL

I'am speechless now, Micky. LOL
Its just came from the guts, you know?

An I'am not even defending Jethro Dull yet. Just wait to see!


from the guts .. from the heart.  Love it. Not enough of it around here these days.  There is no passion.. no fire around here anymore.  To me summarizes the bigger picture death throes of the genre.

Shame you came to the site as late as you did.. you would have loved this place 5-10 years ago.. you would have fit right in. Hell I would have even drafted you for my AR team of forum thugs and hitmen.

I think it has as much to do with the fact the sites been around for 10 years, everything has been discussed to death already.

Mind you, start a thread praising Steven Wilson and I'll show you fire and passion!Wink


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 06:40
Birds

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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 06:43
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Really disspaointed with you guys. :(

Area should always win.

I'am out of here. Going to found my own ProgArchives with blackjack and hookers.
 
Sorry, but Birds is a classic to me, and i dont think Area is that good.


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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 07:17
I DEMAND A TRIAL BY COMBAT!


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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 07:36
AREA!!

c'mon you proggers!!!!

Beer


Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 07:45
I am personally satisfied with the numbers in this poll.
Area does nothing for me except to annoy me. To my ears there are too many segments with strange 
vocal noise and weird sounds that more than cancel out any decent music that they sometimes play.
Before anyone starts jumping up and down and getting red in the face, this is my opinion only and is
not intended to point a laughing finger at anyone who likes this kind of sound (music?).


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 07:51
I want to say what I want and nobody can say to me what I dont want to hear.

I came here for a argument. A decent one. I paid!


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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 11:26
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

I want to say what I want and nobody can say to me what I dont want to hear.

I came here for a argument. A decent one. I paid!


"Buenas e me espalho, nos pequenos dou de prancha e nos grandes dou de talho!"

Oigalê, it's up to you to make the translation, Gustavo.


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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 11:56
Bah!

Let them struggle with this one.




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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 17:53
Went to a  McLaughlin/di Miola/de Lucia show some years back largely because of Paco and was pretty much blown away by McLaughlin but I've never been overly moved by his MO stuff. Otoh the Area album doesn't do much for me either. Best thing about this poll was the Area review sent me off to listen to Banco del Mutuo Soccorso. Nice. Damn I am getting soft in my old age. Probably be listening to Against all Odds this time next week. Shocked

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Posted By: Wicket
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 18:53
It's a sheer toss up, but I gotta give the nod to MO. As a drummer, I can't overlook Billy Cobham's drumming on this record, he's the tiebreaker here.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 20:57
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

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Mind you, start a thread praising Steven Wilson and I'll show you fire and passion!Wink



deal ClapLOL


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 21:03
Area, although I really hate the name of that album.


Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 09:54
Birds of Fire


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 09:59
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Area, although I really hate the name of that album.

Why? Its so... remarkably...


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 10:41
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Area, although I really hate the name of that album.

Why? Its so... remarkably...


Do you honestly not know why?


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 10:48
Area for me too, as great as Birds Of Fire is Area are much more unique for me.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 10:48
Yes! I know from where this phrase came from!

Look. This phrase was later used by the italian youth to represent all kind of exploration from man to man overall.

So the impact and simbolism is far more great. Thats why it fits so perfectly.




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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 11:19
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Area, although I really hate the name of that album.

Why? Its so... remarkably...


Do you honestly not know why?

Obviously the band didn't use that name as a kind of exhortation.
They used for future reference and for young generations in particular. For that they deserve to be appreciated. At the time their aim was to diversify themself from the usual mellow italian prog (PFM, Le Orme ...).




Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 11:20
^^Exactly.

Plus the wole thing that they were singing the exploration of man to man (Demetrio says that in the live presentations).

Thats why it all makes sense.


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 11:39
I don't care why they used it, it still makes me uncomfortable to see it.  I think you can appreciate where I'm coming from, even if you don't share my view.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 11:41
Of course, Padraic. I understand.


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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 12:58
I get your point Patrick.

The title is disturbing, a break with traditional prog. I feel too uncomfortable.
That's how they wanted us to be, after all.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 13:06
Thanks chaps (or gals Embarrassed)


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 13:12
chapBeer


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 13:26
Chap.Beer


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 13:37
Beer


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 14:08
Ok, this dont change the fact that we are 3 votes behind!

Call your friends! Lets put this birds REALLY on fire!


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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 15:35
how long do we have?


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 15:49
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

how long do we have?


As usual, the polls will be closed on Saturday morning EST (which would be early afternoon in Europe). I will wait until the last moment to vote in most polls.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 16:00
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:


I will wait until the last moment to vote in most polls.


Bad to the bone.


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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 16:14
Hmmm...the heavier one or the funkier one?  Birds of Fire by a hair.

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 16:16
Damn it, Twalsh!


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 16:24
Birds of Fire......saw MO in Chicago play the entire LP...and tracks from the first also.
Arbeit mach frei sounds like the noise I make when I sneeze.
Wink


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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 16:29
I'am out of here.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 17:21
LOL  PA's is the Hotel California of prog sites.. no matter how coked out the denizens and voters may appear to you.. you do grown attached to them and though you may check out.. you never truly leave.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 18:20
BAH!!!!

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 19:26
Easy Micky, i'am still here. Smile

"Bah" is a expression only founded in the extreme south of Brazil, we use quite a lot.


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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 20:26
Will Gustavo Kambará give up lobbying for Area?

Next on your preferred channel. Wink


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 20:52
hell no he won't... if recognize a kindred musical firebrand.. and they are so easy to recognize LOL when Area and M.O meet again in 2025... he'll be out for blood and revenge.... just like Uncle Mick was when Camel..oops.. f**kING Camel beat ELP in those band polls years ago. I wanted my revenge.. though I didn't quite get it.. I got redemption for ELP. We were that close to winning that band poll...Thumbs Up The third time.. in 2025 WILL be a charm damnit.. even if I had to resort to... creative measures haha

A musical firebrand NEVER forgets.. or forgives bad tastes...


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 20:57
Damn....appears we are falling a tad short of an upset.  Still quite impressive though.  I think 10 years ago such a poll would not have been close.  RPI bands have caught on with many younger prog fans. 


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 21:00
never give up hope... still a couple days to go Thumbs Up


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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 21:05
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


A musical firebrand NEVER forgets.. or forgives bad tastes...


The north remeber. Although I do live in the south of my country.

I did wrote every name that voted against Area here. They're doomed.


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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 00:19
Ah ah ah
poor them


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 13:27
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Ah ah ah
poor them


yeah... 

LOL  I don't think I'll ever forgive Guigo for his Camel vote.. him and one other person. .that was the difference.  After all we've given to the site.. you could have at least let us have a cheap thrill and besides..  you all missed out on the greatest party PA's would have seen if ELP had upset Camel. I had thestrippers, booze, and coke all set aside.. but NO... Guigo and other so called 'friends' decided to vote for a generic 4th division  prog group.


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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 14:23
Jesus this is a tough one. I suspect I'm going to go for Area but Birds of Fire is pretty magnificent as fusion albums go.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 14:25
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Jesus this is a tough one. I suspect I'm going to go for Area but Birds of Fire is pretty magnificent as fusion albums go.


ahh.. but so is A.M.F.. but it is so more more than just a magnificent fusion album in addtion. Thus what was interesting about the poll.. and the matchup..


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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 14:33
Ultimately, I went with Area. I waited since I wanted to support whichever of the two fell behind.

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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 16:00
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Ah ah ah
poor them


yeah... 

LOL  I don't think I'll ever forgive Guigo for his Camel vote.. him and one other person. .that was the difference.  After all we've given to the site.. you could have at least let us have a cheap thrill and besides..  you all missed out on the greatest party PA's would have seen if ELP had upset Camel. I had thestrippers, booze, and coke all set aside.. but NO... Guigo and other so called 'friends' decided to vote for a generic 4th division  prog group.

ShockedGeekHug



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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 20:34
Area.


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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.


Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 22:27

Mahavishnu Orchestra, Birds of Fire.



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When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 22:32
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Jesus this is a tough one. I suspect I'm going to go for Area but Birds of Fire is pretty magnificent as fusion albums go.


Area stands the test of time though.  For me Mahavishnu got old quickly.


Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 04:14
Relistening...

Birds of Fire has definitely overtaken the debut as my favourite MO album. Cobham is one of those astonishingly rare drummers with the Morello effect where they're every single bit as spellbinding as the leads and as capable of playing softly and quietly as loudly while still having a massive impact. McLaughlin's style has kind of always been 'play-really-fast' but there are some fascinating examples of that on here and it's never really compromised his knack for phrasing, and is tempered a lot by trading with Goodman's violin. The difference between Jan Hammer's playing on that Al di Meola album and this one more or less says it all. On this, Hammer's pulling out all these little flourishes and chord choices that completely change the mood of a moment.

AMF... Stratos is a thoroughly amazing singer and the band are a strong fusion outfit. I think they accomplished more with their next couple of albums and this one kind of falls off a little in places when it leans on rock and conventional fusion and I honestly feel like I can hear a bit of MO's phrasing in places and obviously Ornette Coleman casts a long shadow over that sax sound and the melodies. Probably the strongest debut track ever for any band and the highs are really high. Other than the title track I love completely different bits of the album to the ones I did when I first heard it (L'abbattimento dello Zeppelin really stands out despite the kitschy ending).

Easily the tightest decision this round. This is definitely going to lose me the couple of friends I've still got on here but I think Birds of Fire is the more consistent album. I'm voting for Area to even things up because it's that tight and they really were heading for something admirable, even if it took them an album or two to reach their finest work.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 19:14
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Ah ah ah
poor them


yeah... 

LOL  I don't think I'll ever forgive Guigo for his Camel vote.. him and one other person. .that was the difference.  After all we've given to the site.. you could have at least let us have a cheap thrill and besides..  you all missed out on the greatest party PA's would have seen if ELP had upset Camel. I had thestrippers, booze, and coke all set aside.. but NO... Guigo and other so called 'friends' decided to vote for a generic 4th division  prog group.

ShockedGeekHug



AngryWinkLOLThumbs UpBeerHeart


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