Spoilers at work
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Topic: Spoilers at work
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Subject: Spoilers at work
Date Posted: August 15 2005 at 17:42
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I have recently been monitoring the reviews of one band (unnamed since it is of no concern to the topic) and have noticed that most of their albums have recently had a 1 star rating allocated to them in the stats though there is no written review. In almost every case, this 1 star review is almost TOTALLY out of line with all other reviews. Judging by the sharp fall of some other bands' albums as well in the charts, it may be happening to others. I believe (I'm almost certain in fact!) that this is the work of someone trying to manipulate the charts to the benefit of their own favourite band/bands (not sure which yet) by giving poor reviews to other bands. These sad people need to get a life! Could I suggest that ratings without reviews should be deleted and not considered for chart positions/ average ratings? Everyone has a right to an opinion but should be prepared to air those views so that the rest of us can challenge them. Anyone else noticed this practice?? |
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 03:10
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You mightwant to give us the band's name so one of the collabs can check your observations!!!! Rating without reviewing is under the scope of collabs. Already , since this morning , the rating space came under the reviewing space. A step forward but maybe still not enough! Time will tell!! I was always one to say that this top list brought more harm than good. However , I also realize that younger progheads and newbies might find it useful. But it only sheds more lights on the obvious artists and keeps the obscure ones into......obscurity ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
. Only a few obscurities manage to pierce this list (in the lower ranks) so they became less obscure.Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 03:25
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If the ratings without reviews aren't deleted, one step in the right direction would be to list the ratings. There's no reason why they aren't shown at all, you could at least display the star rating, date & time and the username. It's extremely irritating to find an album with an average rating of below three, and there are only 4 star REVIEWS. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 08:20
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I maybe meant "guilt", but I just can't delete such a funny sentence. |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: August 16 2005 at 13:48
I agree completely, ratings without reviews should be barred. |
Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 06:28
Totally agree. If you want to sl*g an album at least have the cojones to explain why - don't just give it one star and b*gger off. ------------- "It's 1973, almost dinnertime and I'm 'aving 'oops!" - Gene Hunt |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 17 2005 at 06:51
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I have already brought this issue up in another thread and have been informed that its under review. The reason it is as it is apparently is so that non English speakers can give a rating! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 06:42
I'd throw my weight behind the "No review, No Rating" concept to be
sure. Too many people just post a 1, or 5 star rating without reviewing. What
help is that? That being said, did collabs really just get the ability to rate without reviewing? I have about 200-300 albums I'd love to rate, but did not want to do it until I can properly review them at the same time. I'd enjoy going on a rating-spree, then add reviews later as I had more itme    ------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 07:52
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^ Cluster One: There's a thread about that question in the collabs area. BTW: I did some calculation about the effect of the anonymous ratings on the avg rating in the Prog Music Lounge. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 19:00
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I was to post something about this, but I saw this topic, so I,ll post it here. The perfect example for this problem is www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=3160 - 'Si on avait besoin d'une 5ième saison' by http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=619 - Harmonium . This album has right now an average of 4.50 stars, bu it had like 4.92 not so long ago. Every reviews it got are giving it 5 stars except one, so it clearly seem to be a masterpiece. Some reviews are from some very respectable prog reviewers, Mr. Chantraine even says it's in his Top10, and he has done over 1300 reviews here. But then if you look at the votes: HARMONIUM Si on avait besoin d'une 5ième Saison ratings (22 entries) There's 3 recent vote giving this album 1 or 2 stars, and the guys (or the guy) who did that didn't said a word. I suspect a bit the fact that since this album entered in the top100, some people might wanted to low his overall rating to get it down of the top, but that's a suposition. No matter what, I do not accept one of the great album to came out from Québec to receive that kind of stupid treatment. ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: August 20 2005 at 19:16
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I agree with you 100% Borealis. It's one of my favorite albums too.
However, I'm fine if someone decides to give it 2 or even 1 stars, if he explains why. But that's just ridiculous, it sure seems like someone was just trying to drop their overall rating.
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: September 01 2005 at 18:16
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The band I noticed it happen to was Camel. Moonmadness, Mirage and A Live Record have all dropped a long way due to (at least, possibly more) one 1* rating with no review. Dream Theater also get some similar treatment. |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 01 2005 at 19:13
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Yes, but they recieve so many more non-worth 5 stars ratings... It's even more unfair, they get a lot better average than what they are worth... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 15:03
I take it you don't like DT. Well, nor do I very much. But at least I can see what they're trying to do and they do not deserve some of the unthinking flak directed at them by those who take pleasure in hating them (or the sycophantic praise from the fanboys either!). And I don't object so much to bad ratings of my favourite albums when the person takes the trouble to explain WHY they don't like the album. I still want to kill them, just a lot less painfully. |
Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 16:50
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Same for me... I saw 1 star rating to Tago Mago and Zeit, and their reviews didn't seem enough for me, I'd like em to write 800+ words at least so I could accept them... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: September 07 2005 at 11:50
It's just happened to The Snow Goose as well today. Can one of the collabs please see if the same person is doing it? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 07 2005 at 15:07
| Unfortunately, I cannot run an enquiry to show me ratings without reviews for an individual album. mailto:M@X - M@X has now said he will stop ratings without reviews though, so the issue is being addressed. |
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: September 07 2005 at 18:14
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Good. Thanks. I seriously think that ONLY reviews should count for ratings and that this could be made retrospective (ie all ratings without reviews should be deleted and disregarded). For example, Hugues Chantraine gives a 2* review to my favourite album - The Snow Goose. I don't agree with him (I rarely do) but I think he's as entitled to his opinion as I am mine and he does at least justify his rating in his review. So that's fine. But some little s**t gives several albums a crap rating and hides behind his cloak of anonimity; that gets me mad. And to the person who suspects I somehow have a guilty conscience, every rating I have given has had a review attached, no exception! |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 07 2005 at 19:53
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------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 15:59
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Anyone know who "jordisubir" is? Today he has trashed several albums, including classics like Animals and Mirage, with 1* ratings and no reviews. I have not yet found a single rating above this. Is he a punk or similar, out to trash prog??? If so, delete his ratings!! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:39
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No review, no rating! ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |