Which Kashmir?
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Topic: Which Kashmir?
Posted By: Dellinger
Subject: Which Kashmir?
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 22:15
Intended for Prog Related, but perhaps this particular song is actually adequate for a Prog Poll anyway. However, 4 distinct versions of the same song, all great for me and have a really hard time choosing my favourite one, which do you like better? And since from time to time I see people including some sort of "Joke" options, I throw in the rap sampled version of the song  However, I like the original one because it's got the original orchestrations and the drums are really wonderful (actually, I'm not really sure if this song feature real orchestrations or they were done on keyboards). I like the original 70's live versions because they add some nice sounding guitars that are lacking (or barely audible) on the original version. I like the Unledded version because that one certainly has a string ensamble playing on the song, and it's got a bit more variation, and also has some nice guitars, but I don't like that we get a bit less of the main theme (which contradicts my liking it to have more variation, actually), and I'm not sure about the drumming, the 70's ones have some killer powerful drumming, here it's replaced by some ethnic drumming that gives it a different feel. The version of celebration day is the heaviest on the use of guitar, which also sounds great, and some of the melodies have sounds like being played by a chuch organ instead of a string enssamble. Which one I prefer, I'm not yet sure. |
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 22:20
| The original. But that Unledded version is really amazing too - as is the entire album and project. Weirdly enough, I was in a period in which I finally *got* Zeppelin, was deeply into their music, when that Unledded project came out of nowhere. It was everything I wanted it to be at the time, and more. A really great album. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 22:26
| Yeah, I really love the unledded album too. Amazing versions of all songs, some dramatically re-worked. The only one I didn't really like at all was "No Quarter", which for me was totally destroyed. I wish "Rain Song" had been included on the CD instead of that one. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: February 10 2015 at 23:23
Really!?! Haha. Even though I love the original version of No Quarter - as well as the live version on The Song Remains the Same - I loved the new version as well. Absolutely perfect, for me, at any rate :-)
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Dellinger wrote:Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 00:26
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the original studio version really, puffy daddy? |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 07:18
| The live version from the Dixie Dregs? |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 07:38
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Original, but also looking foward to "Driving Through Kashmir" which I feel could have some potential of me liking it more. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 07:59
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No need to ask me here. The original one. ------------- 
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 08:12
Ok, who voted for Puff Daddy.  ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 13:05
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Original studio gets my vote, but the poll could have also included the excellent cover version by Kevin Gilbert on the Thud bonus disc... ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 13:09
Maybe someone who actually prefers it to the Led Zep song ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 13:43
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Studio ------------- |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 14:41
The Sex Pistols!  Yes, they really did it on their reunion in the 90s. Sorry, I don't have any link to it. In all seriousness, nothing beats the original, yet I voted the Unledded version simply because I like Middle Eastern music a lot and thought they added a new and appropriate dimension to it.------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 15:12
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original version, but the Knebworth and O2 performances kick ass! ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 18:17
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Shame on you, you left out the Dixie Dregs version on Bring 'Em Back Alive. I prefer the original, but it's a close second for me. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 21:55
| Oh well, I didn't expect this one to be so one-sided (though perhaps I should have expected the original to win from the beginning). However, I thought about including only Led Zeppelin versions, or closely related (as on the Unledded album). The Puff Daddy one I added mainly as a joke, but if I remember well, it's actually related to Zep, since I believe Jimmy Page was somewhat involved with it, he played the guitar, and I believe he actually appeared on the video (though I don't really know how it works about Page playing on the song... if it was actually just sampled from the original, or the music was played again, or what). By the way, I find it rather difficult to choose one of the versions, since I really like them all, and they are all different enough to be enjoyed for their own reasons (Puff Daddy not included, though). However, I guess my favourites would be among the original and the Unledded version, and given the lack of variaty on the voting, I'll be going with the Unledded version. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 22:14
Oh well, perhaps I would need to give it a listen again, but I'm not sure I would find anything I didn't before. The original No Quarter is just perfect and wonderful, the Unledded version just sounds like noise, and all the melodies and riffs are buried into it. |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: February 11 2015 at 23:06
Did you see it as it was originally aired on MTV? That MTV special? 'Cause it looked like it was recorded live, but in the wild. (Or a set, haha.) Here, I found the video of it. Around the 2 min. mark you start to see it, recording in a forest or something. I thought it was a really fantastic opening for the Page/Plant special: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXNfq2mq-hg" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXNfq2mq-hg
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 05:25
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The Puff Daddy version, which adds the groove that the original version tragically lacked. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 10:11
| Oh, that would have to be the Godzilla version merely for its shear audacity! Actually, it was laughable, but Page gave it some pedigree by playing on it. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 10:40
| By the way, has anyone here heard two Kashmir wannabees, Jon Anderson's Top of the World (The Glass Bead Game) and Hall and Oates' Winged Bull? Pretty precious stuff. Thanks Jon, Daryl, and John! |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 10:54
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The Belgian neo-prog band Now did a cover of Kashmir on their album Deep in 1992. I wasn't particularly impressed with it. Anyway, voted for the original. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 21:50
I have the DVD, so I guess it's the same one. I guess I would actually have to look out the story of this concert(s) once again, since it seems to be recorded in many different places... and some I'm not really sure if it's live or merely a video and them actually playing elsewhere. I mean, like you said, just in the wild, and some other songs in the middle of such small indian towns or whatever. Though I believe the DVD is the culmination of some sort of tour, actually. Still, great stuff, I think I actually like this album/DVD more than any of Zep's original studio albums (except perhaps IV). |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 02:07
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In 2003 I covered it myself, along with "Echoes" by Pink Floyd, and other songs that might be hard to imagine done any other way. I vote for my own version ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 06:18
I DID!    |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 06:29
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4 votes for Puffy... seriously? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 06:32
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It's a great cover. I prefer the original but still really dig the Puffy version. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 07:02
It depends by what you mean by "seriously".  |
Posted By: King Only
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 12:08
| There's going to be a new version released soon (this month I think), on the bonus disc with the new Physical Graffiti remaster. It's from the original recording sessions and apparently it features more of the orchestra's performance. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 21:15
So there's actually an orchestra on the original version of this song? I could not be sure if it was so or if the sound was made with keyboards, since they don't credit any orchestra as far as I remember on the album, and on the live version I've seen it is played with the keyboads, sounding similar enough. I guess it will be nice to give this new version a listen too. |
Posted By: King Only
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 22:43
It's a mix of real strings, real horns and also John Paul Jones playing the Mellotron. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 20 2015 at 20:42
Well, that's good to know. However, I do wish they had credited it in their album. It's always interesting to know such things. Just as I wish I knew who plays the flute/recorder or whatever at the beginning of Stairway to heaven. |
Posted By: King Only
Date Posted: February 21 2015 at 07:54
They are recorders and they were all played by John Paul Jones. He overdubbed several layers of them. Talented guy who is often unfairly overlooked when people talk about Led Zep.
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: February 21 2015 at 17:05
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Okay, voted for the original version but if one can ignore the "rapping" by Puffy his collaboration with Page on that one resulted in a massive killer groove that was very Godzilla-like . Just sayin'... ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 21 2015 at 19:58
| The studio version of the song is THE best imo. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 21 2015 at 20:45
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Although I think only available on bootlegs Jethro Tull covered Kashmir, a slightly shorter version featuring their guest violinist. I decided to vote for the Unledded version for the vast instrumental variety. Absolutely stunning in concert, probably the most superb orchestral moment in modern rock. But the original just has that immediacy and power from the start - the Bonzo drumming just makes it. The concert versions could be very good as well and occasionally feature a timing mistake throwing the band out of control. Not too easy in places. I do have the Puff Daddy veriosn (it does feature JP). But the whole thing was recorded track by track and frankly if I heard the vocalist sing so far off the accents it would drive me mad (if I were in that band). Or any other. This is why I think Combs' version raises so much ire. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 13:58
Well, at least I believe it was a wasted oportunity when Zep toured with Jethro Tull... it would have been great if Ian had come out with Zep when they played this song. However, I believe Zep were not too fond of Jethro Tull anyway. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 14:00
I still can't make up my mind if I like better the "immediacy and power from the start" (and all along the song) of the original, or the build-up, variaty, and more melodic nature of the Unledded version (I believe the second one is a more progressive version of the song, actually). |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 22 2015 at 16:17
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The original, but the Ian Anderson version featuring Lucia Micarelli (incredibly hot and talented!) is excellent, and very proggy: ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 11:46
| She's very high energy like Steve Howe was in 72". |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 11:59
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Strange question.
The studio version.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 12:07
You might like her album "Music from a Farther Room". Definitely not rock, more like classical crossover, although she does a nice version of Bowie's Lady Grinning Soul, and a great Nocturne/Bohemian Rhapsody suite. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 21:39
That does sound really interesting. I must check her out.
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: March 02 2015 at 19:03
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The original studio one. ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 00:34
------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 03 2015 at 01:02
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^ hey, it's a medley! awesome kids |