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Topic: Far out Synthesizer Solos in Early Prog
Posted By: brainstormer
Subject: Far out Synthesizer Solos in Early Prog
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 10:38
I'm looking for those synth solos that aren't the usual "Wakeman mini-moog"
style familiar also in Starcastle.  The one that occurs in Le Orme - Felona E Sorona (1973)
around 6:20 is a good example.  At first it sounded to me like "Ah, this guy really doesn't
know how to use his synth" but then I just focused on it and it was great, like, one of 
the best in terms of originality. 


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 11:26
Triumvirat-Dancer's Delight (a '74 single track)


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 11:59
This song has an exquisite sixty-second-long synth solo that doesn't fall in the "lickety split" category, save for a few quick flurries of sixteenths in a couple places. Nice on-the-fly modulating at the very end, but nothing too out of whack for this is still a rock song. Jim Alcivar's synth solo begins at 2:13. 
 
 


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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 13:53
I think it's easy to find these sort of Synth solos when it comes to RPI:
 
Le Orme - Figure Di Cartone


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 14:02
I suppose I can't keep posting Edgar Winter Band - Frankenstein and get away with itQuestion ok maybe not

Not prog but Dave Greenfield's Moog solo on The Stranglers - Nice N Sleazy wipes the floor with most prog synth solos I've heard and is very different as you would expect

Don't really have any suggestions sorry.Unhappy




Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 15:38
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

I think it's easy to find these sort of Synth solos when it comes to RPI:
 
Le Orme - Figure Di Cartone

Great tone on that synth!  Thanks. 


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 23:29
I've always thought that the unconventional VCS3 solo that Eno did in the Paw-Paw Negro Blowtorch was really whacky......


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 00:25
I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 01:16
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 

I didn't think there were any synths on that Aphrodites Child album? 


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 01:21
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

I'm looking for those synth solos that aren't the usual "Wakeman mini-moog"
style familiar also in Starcastle.  The one that occurs in Le Orme - Felona E Sorona (1973)
around 6:20 is a good example.  At first it sounded to me like "Ah, this guy really doesn't
know how to use his synth" but then I just focused on it and it was great, like, one of 
the best in terms of originality. 
brainstormer, this is a mellotron not your synth but I think you may enjoy this, with original band members David Byron (one of my 4 octave ultimate vocalists) and Ken Hensley here on the mellotron Hug hugs


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:04
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 

I didn't think there were any synths on that Aphrodites Child album? 
Of course there are synth riffs at 666, as you can hear that in the sample above from 1:40 to 2:00;
sadly that 666 was already recorded in 1970 but then the album was waiting for two years to be released...


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:12
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 
Svetonio, do you realize that you are always at the top with your replies, all are so good, really brilliant! Your knowledge is amazing! However it's so good that you leave no room left for further comments, it's perfect and closed for further comments. You are amazing, you would be the best and really good too at trying to entice others to comment really if you try, you are so good! big hug Hug 


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:24
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 
Svetonio, do you realize that you are always at the top with your replies, (...)
Actually I do realize that you've already hit that reply button twice to post something off topic.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:30
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 
Svetonio, do you realize that you are always at the top with your replies, (...)
Actually I do realize that you've already hit that reply button twice to post something off topic.
You cheeky sod! Naughty corner for you!


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:40
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 
Svetonio, do you realize that you are always at the top with your replies, (...)
Actually I do realize that you've already hit that reply button twice to post something off topic.
 
Postiing stuff off topic is very common with me, I am a happy nincompoop, I can't help it and your point in this is what?


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:44
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Postiing stuff off topic is very common with me, I am a happy nincompoop
 
LOL


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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:46
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Postiing stuff off topic is very common with me, I am a happy nincompoop
 
LOL
Big smileHug


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:51
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Postiing stuff off topic is very common with me, I am a happy nincompoop
 
LOL
Big smileHug
 
HugBig smile


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 07:39
Funural For a Friend/love lies bleeding, Arrrrrrp synth intro is crazy spine chilling, and also a vert cool moog solo on the song "the Cage" on debute, and All the Girls Love Alice, and Dirty Little Girl has moog warps,

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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 12:20
It may be later than what you are looking for, but I've always thought that synth pioneer Roger Powell's solo on Utopia's Hiroshima was one of the finest ever.  It just screams.
 
 


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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 12:25
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

I think it's easy to find these sort of Synth solos when it comes to RPI:
 
Le Orme - Figure Di Cartone

Great tone on that synth!  Thanks. 
 
You're welcome Thumbs Up


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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 19:15
Thanks for all the suggestions.  Even the mellotron one, lol (Hugs back).
Vangelis Nucleaogensis is like 10-plus minute synth solo (Main Sequence
off the same album is great, too).   I think the Italians and Greeks have 
this one, but the synth solo in the Stranglers song was also great. 


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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 19:51
This one... 1972!

Don't know what the video is about, but it certainly has nothing to do with the song. Starts at 4:26!



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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 23:56
I truly don't know what Tony P used on the opening cut of Felona........
I originally thought it was a 'tron, then some distorted Logan string-synth, or perhaps it's a Hammond through some effects.........but I don't think it's a synth. He does use some way-out Moog textures though.....
I listened to IQ 's Nomzamo album last night, and thought the opening track No Love Lost had a grandiose synth intro.......very nicely done......


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 03:23
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 

I didn't think there were any synths on that Aphrodites Child album? 
Of course there are synth riffs at 666, as you can hear that in the sample above from 1:40 to 2:00;
sadly that 666 was already recorded in 1970 but then the album was waiting for two years to be released...

The sleevenotes don't help with this unfortunately as it states next to Vangelis -Organ, Piano, Flute, Percussion,Vibes + Various Others , Vocal Backing but no mention of synths

My understanding was that Vangelis did not use synths until 1975 and the album Heaven and Hell ( edit used also on Ignacio from the same year)

However I had a look at the excellent elsewhere site and it has some very interesting comments about the L'Apocalypse Des Animaux album from 1973:

A wonderful combination of acoustic and early electronic instruments makes this album sound far ahead of its time. Acoustic and electric guitars, electric pianos, rotary effects and stretched electronic pads from modified organs and other electronic keyboards, it's all there. Vangelis experimented with anything he could get his hands on, thus creating dreamy landscapes that others could only produce years later when synthesizers started to become a common good. Perhaps the first "new age" sound ever?

http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm" rel="nofollow - http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm




Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 03:30
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

However I had a look at the excellent elsewhere site and it has some very interesting comments about the L'Apocalypse Des Animaux album from 1973:

A wonderful combination of acoustic and early electronic instruments makes this album sound far ahead of its time. Acoustic and electric guitars, electric pianos, rotary effects and stretched electronic pads from modified organs and other electronic keyboards, it's all there. Vangelis experimented with anything he could get his hands on, thus creating dreamy landscapes that others could only produce years later when synthesizers started to become a common good. Perhaps the first "new age" sound ever?
 
That is a beautiful album. Very surreal, wistful, evocative, quintessentially "Vangelis." It definitely sounds ahead of its time.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 03:33
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

However I had a look at the excellent elsewhere site and it has some very interesting comments about the L'Apocalypse Des Animaux album from 1973:

A wonderful combination of acoustic and early electronic instruments makes this album sound far ahead of its time. Acoustic and electric guitars, electric pianos, rotary effects and stretched electronic pads from modified organs and other electronic keyboards, it's all there. Vangelis experimented with anything he could get his hands on, thus creating dreamy landscapes that others could only produce years later when synthesizers started to become a common good. Perhaps the first "new age" sound ever?
 
That is a beautiful album. Very surreal, wistful, evocative, quintessentially "Vangelis." It definitely sounds ahead of its time.

agreedThumbs Up

and yet we still wonder why Vangelis was moved out 'Progressive Electronic'UnhappyOuch


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 03:41
^This confirms what Brainstormer said: 'the Italians and Greeks have this one', btw 1973 was the year of Felona & Sorona too, as called in the OP.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 04:07
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 

I didn't think there were any synths on that Aphrodites Child album? 
Of course there are synth riffs at 666, as you can hear that in the sample above from 1:40 to 2:00;
sadly that 666 was already recorded in 1970 but then the album was waiting for two years to be released...

The sleevenotes don't help with this unfortunately as it states next to Vangelis -Organ, Piano, Flute, Percussion,Vibes + Various Others , Vocal Backing but no mention of synths

My understanding was that Vangelis did not use synths until 1975 and the album Heaven and Hell ( edit used also on Ignacio from the same year)

However I had a look at the excellent elsewhere site and it has some very interesting comments about the L'Apocalypse Des Animaux album from 1973:

A wonderful combination of acoustic and early electronic instruments makes this album sound far ahead of its time. Acoustic and electric guitars, electric pianos, rotary effects and stretched electronic pads from modified organs and other electronic keyboards, it's all there. Vangelis experimented with anything he could get his hands on, thus creating dreamy landscapes that others could only produce years later when synthesizers started to become a common good. Perhaps the first "new age" sound ever?

http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm" rel="nofollow - http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm



Could it be done overdub at 666? What do you think? I mean, the material was already recorded in 1970. But, 666 the album was released in 1972; so maybe those slightly synth riffs were added just before 666 was finally released
Or synth wasn't mentioned in sleevenotes just because the synth riffs were very slightly presented on the album? Personally, I do not see any other reason that synth was not mentioned in sleevenotes, due to the fact that early synth riffs are there, at the album, and we can hear them very clear in that less than 3-minute long but stunning progressive rock gem what The Capture of the Beast from 666 really is.

Btw, regarding the link to Elsewhere site that you posted above, at the same site there's an interview with Vangelis that is done in 1976 for Oor mag and in my opinion this is the most interesting part of article:

Quote

The use of percussion instruments in this sort of lyrical and symphonic music is relatively unique. Vangelis: "That’s correct. Although what’s on Heaven and Hell might sound quite complex at times, my basic contributions on the keyboards, not in any way bounded by strict rules, are usually as simple as one plus one equals two. In the domain of the more or less symphonic sound-progressions, brought about in the spirit of the moment, the contributions of the percussion instruments bring power, energy and positive vibrations that are strictly necessary to avoid making the total result a tedious ego-trip." The performance of "Heaven and Hell" at the Royal Albert Hall was a real tour de force and a strange experience which turned into a complete triumph for Vangelis. Assisted by no less than two sidemen, among whom renowned conductor David Bedford http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm#fn5" rel="nofollow - (5) , Vangelis played a large number of keyboard and percussion instruments. Also making their appearance was an African (percussion-) group. Some 20 girls of London’s Queens College took place behind an equal number of ‘Timpanis’ (a sort of drums). Roughly the same number of ladies in red dresses stood surrounding two enormous drums which they played in a sort of ritual round dance. The 40-odd strong English Chamber Choir plus Greek singer Vana Veroutis completed the cast. Vana didn’t actually use any words when singing. It was rather a case of her emitting sounds. Just like on the last record by the way. Does Vangelis not believe in the power of speech? "The voice (and not the word) is the expression of the body. If you can only say something with words, it cannot really be sincere. Words are insensitive. Outbursts of formalism. The sounds made by the voice are sincere expressions of feelings or emotions circulating within the body." As a musician Vangelis is self-taught. Which you can hardly imagine when you see him in action. He’s in the possession of a fluid, sensitive style on the keyboard instruments. When he plays them he shows a technical craft normally only encountered among classical musicians. The list of keyboard instruments he plays is equally impressive. A Bosendorfer grand piano, a Hohner Clavinet, a Hammond B3 organ, a Fender 88 electric piano, an Elka Rhapsody ‘String’ Machine, a Tornado ‘reed’ organ, a Farfisa organ, an ARP Prosolist, a Crumar compact piano, two Mini-Korg 700, two Roland synthesizers, two Clavioli and two stylophone 350S mini-synthesizers. And that’s enough of that.

How does Vangelis view the musical changes he has gone through since Aphrodite’s Child and his solo-LP "Earth"? Vangelis: "Three years ago already I could have made a record like Heaven and Hell. Technically speaking I was ready for it. Why I didn’t do it back then? Because the pop-market wasn’t ready for it at that moment. Some of the recordings I made 10 years ago are musically and technically speaking more complex than Heaven and Hell. The problem you have to deal with as a musician and creator of music is that you have to fight against a market, a record-company and a world for brainwashed people. As creator or performer of pop-music in 1976 you very quickly become the victim of the economic powers of this world who have meanwhile also taken over pop-music. In the sixties the creation and performance of pop-music was a form of (social) protest. Now the creation and performance of pop-music have become big business and most pop-musicians are photo-models in disguise who behave like mindless marionettes in the service of the public and the record-companies.

http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm" rel="nofollow - http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm



Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 10:12

Hi,

I never considered a "solo" as anything but a part of the music ... it doesn't mean anything if all it is, is a solo, and then you can call it "jazz" music.

It's really sad to see music reduced to nothing, and just notes ... and how many folks are not capable/willing to listen to it past the notes, or the "solo".

Why even bother calling it "progressive', if your thinking and attitude is nowhere near it? You wouldn't recognize a piece that was not a solo anywhere!



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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 10:36
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Howdy,

You are a very complex person. Sometimes your posts are among the most thought provoking and interesting stuff I've read on these boards while other times you write just about the dumbest things I've read on the whole internet. 

You may not know this but many of the musicians I know you genuinely treasure occationally use terms such as (favorite) soloparts and extended codas when talking about different parts of a compostition.

How about trying to accept that there's valid and honest approaches to both loving and writing about music that come across different than yours? 



Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 13:03
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 

I didn't think there were any synths on that Aphrodites Child album? 
Of course there are synth riffs at 666, as you can hear that in the sample above from 1:40 to 2:00;
sadly that 666 was already recorded in 1970 but then the album was waiting for two years to be released...

The sleevenotes don't help with this unfortunately as it states next to Vangelis -Organ, Piano, Flute, Percussion,Vibes + Various Others , Vocal Backing but no mention of synths

My understanding was that Vangelis did not use synths until 1975 and the album Heaven and Hell ( edit used also on Ignacio from the same year)

However I had a look at the excellent elsewhere site and it has some very interesting comments about the L'Apocalypse Des Animaux album from 1973:

A wonderful combination of acoustic and early electronic instruments makes this album sound far ahead of its time. Acoustic and electric guitars, electric pianos, rotary effects and stretched electronic pads from modified organs and other electronic keyboards, it's all there. Vangelis experimented with anything he could get his hands on, thus creating dreamy landscapes that others could only produce years later when synthesizers started to become a common good. Perhaps the first "new age" sound ever?

http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm" rel="nofollow - http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm



Could it be done overdub at 666? What do you think? I mean, the material was already recorded in 1970. But, 666 the album was released in 1972; so maybe those slightly synth riffs were added just before 666 was finally released
Or synth wasn't mentioned in sleevenotes just because the synth riffs were very slightly presented on the album? Personally, I do not see any other reason that synth was not mentioned in sleevenotes, due to the fact that early synth riffs are there, at the album, and we can hear them very clear in that less than 3-minute long but stunning progressive rock gem what The Capture of the Beast from 666 really is.

Btw, regarding the link to Elsewhere site that you posted above, at the same site there's an interview with Vangelis that is done in 1976 for Oor mag and in my opinion this is the most interesting part of article:

Quote

The use of percussion instruments in this sort of lyrical and symphonic music is relatively unique. Vangelis: "That’s correct. Although what’s on Heaven and Hell might sound quite complex at times, my basic contributions on the keyboards, not in any way bounded by strict rules, are usually as simple as one plus one equals two. In the domain of the more or less symphonic sound-progressions, brought about in the spirit of the moment, the contributions of the percussion instruments bring power, energy and positive vibrations that are strictly necessary to avoid making the total result a tedious ego-trip." The performance of "Heaven and Hell" at the Royal Albert Hall was a real tour de force and a strange experience which turned into a complete triumph for Vangelis. Assisted by no less than two sidemen, among whom renowned conductor David Bedford http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm#fn5" rel="nofollow - (5) , Vangelis played a large number of keyboard and percussion instruments. Also making their appearance was an African (percussion-) group. Some 20 girls of London’s Queens College took place behind an equal number of ‘Timpanis’ (a sort of drums). Roughly the same number of ladies in red dresses stood surrounding two enormous drums which they played in a sort of ritual round dance. The 40-odd strong English Chamber Choir plus Greek singer Vana Veroutis completed the cast. Vana didn’t actually use any words when singing. It was rather a case of her emitting sounds. Just like on the last record by the way. Does Vangelis not believe in the power of speech? "The voice (and not the word) is the expression of the body. If you can only say something with words, it cannot really be sincere. Words are insensitive. Outbursts of formalism. The sounds made by the voice are sincere expressions of feelings or emotions circulating within the body." As a musician Vangelis is self-taught. Which you can hardly imagine when you see him in action. He’s in the possession of a fluid, sensitive style on the keyboard instruments. When he plays them he shows a technical craft normally only encountered among classical musicians. The list of keyboard instruments he plays is equally impressive. A Bosendorfer grand piano, a Hohner Clavinet, a Hammond B3 organ, a Fender 88 electric piano, an Elka Rhapsody ‘String’ Machine, a Tornado ‘reed’ organ, a Farfisa organ, an ARP Prosolist, a Crumar compact piano, two Mini-Korg 700, two Roland synthesizers, two Clavioli and two stylophone 350S mini-synthesizers. And that’s enough of that.

How does Vangelis view the musical changes he has gone through since Aphrodite’s Child and his solo-LP "Earth"? Vangelis: "Three years ago already I could have made a record like Heaven and Hell. Technically speaking I was ready for it. Why I didn’t do it back then? Because the pop-market wasn’t ready for it at that moment. Some of the recordings I made 10 years ago are musically and technically speaking more complex than Heaven and Hell. The problem you have to deal with as a musician and creator of music is that you have to fight against a market, a record-company and a world for brainwashed people. As creator or performer of pop-music in 1976 you very quickly become the victim of the economic powers of this world who have meanwhile also taken over pop-music. In the sixties the creation and performance of pop-music was a form of (social) protest. Now the creation and performance of pop-music have become big business and most pop-musicians are photo-models in disguise who behave like mindless marionettes in the service of the public and the record-companies.

http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm" rel="nofollow - http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm


good theory about the overdubs , makes sense

Vangelis was understandably suspicious of record companies even in 1976 and with good justification. One likes to believe in the freedom of music but endless compromises....


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 21 2014 at 21:01
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -
 

I didn't think there were any synths on that Aphrodites Child album? 
Of course there are synth riffs at 666, as you can hear that in the sample above from 1:40 to 2:00;
sadly that 666 was already recorded in 1970 but then the album was waiting for two years to be released...

The sleevenotes don't help with this unfortunately as it states next to Vangelis -Organ, Piano, Flute, Percussion,Vibes + Various Others , Vocal Backing but no mention of synths

My understanding was that Vangelis did not use synths until 1975 and the album Heaven and Hell ( edit used also on Ignacio from the same year)

However I had a look at the excellent elsewhere site and it has some very interesting comments about the L'Apocalypse Des Animaux album from 1973:

A wonderful combination of acoustic and early electronic instruments makes this album sound far ahead of its time. Acoustic and electric guitars, electric pianos, rotary effects and stretched electronic pads from modified organs and other electronic keyboards, it's all there. Vangelis experimented with anything he could get his hands on, thus creating dreamy landscapes that others could only produce years later when synthesizers started to become a common good. Perhaps the first "new age" sound ever?

http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm" rel="nofollow - http://elsew.com/data/albums3.htm



Could it be done overdub at 666? What do you think? I mean, the material was already recorded in 1970. But, 666 the album was released in 1972; so maybe those slightly synth riffs were added just before 666 was finally released
Or synth wasn't mentioned in sleevenotes just because the synth riffs were very slightly presented on the album? Personally, I do not see any other reason that synth was not mentioned in sleevenotes, due to the fact that early synth riffs are there, at the album, and we can hear them very clear in that less than 3-minute long but stunning progressive rock gem what The Capture of the Beast from 666 really is.

Btw, regarding the link to Elsewhere site that you posted above, at the same site there's an interview with Vangelis that is done in 1976 for Oor mag and in my opinion this is the most interesting part of article:

Quote

The use of percussion instruments in this sort of lyrical and symphonic music is relatively unique. Vangelis: "That’s correct. Although what’s on Heaven and Hell might sound quite complex at times, my basic contributions on the keyboards, not in any way bounded by strict rules, are usually as simple as one plus one equals two. In the domain of the more or less symphonic sound-progressions, brought about in the spirit of the moment, the contributions of the percussion instruments bring power, energy and positive vibrations that are strictly necessary to avoid making the total result a tedious ego-trip." The performance of "Heaven and Hell" at the Royal Albert Hall was a real tour de force and a strange experience which turned into a complete triumph for Vangelis. Assisted by no less than two sidemen, among whom renowned conductor David Bedford http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm#fn5" rel="nofollow - (5) , Vangelis played a large number of keyboard and percussion instruments. Also making their appearance was an African (percussion-) group. Some 20 girls of London’s Queens College took place behind an equal number of ‘Timpanis’ (a sort of drums). Roughly the same number of ladies in red dresses stood surrounding two enormous drums which they played in a sort of ritual round dance. The 40-odd strong English Chamber Choir plus Greek singer Vana Veroutis completed the cast. Vana didn’t actually use any words when singing. It was rather a case of her emitting sounds. Just like on the last record by the way. Does Vangelis not believe in the power of speech? "The voice (and not the word) is the expression of the body. If you can only say something with words, it cannot really be sincere. Words are insensitive. Outbursts of formalism. The sounds made by the voice are sincere expressions of feelings or emotions circulating within the body." As a musician Vangelis is self-taught. Which you can hardly imagine when you see him in action. He’s in the possession of a fluid, sensitive style on the keyboard instruments. When he plays them he shows a technical craft normally only encountered among classical musicians. The list of keyboard instruments he plays is equally impressive. A Bosendorfer grand piano, a Hohner Clavinet, a Hammond B3 organ, a Fender 88 electric piano, an Elka Rhapsody ‘String’ Machine, a Tornado ‘reed’ organ, a Farfisa organ, an ARP Prosolist, a Crumar compact piano, two Mini-Korg 700, two Roland synthesizers, two Clavioli and two stylophone 350S mini-synthesizers. And that’s enough of that.

How does Vangelis view the musical changes he has gone through since Aphrodite’s Child and his solo-LP "Earth"? Vangelis: "Three years ago already I could have made a record like Heaven and Hell. Technically speaking I was ready for it. Why I didn’t do it back then? Because the pop-market wasn’t ready for it at that moment. Some of the recordings I made 10 years ago are musically and technically speaking more complex than Heaven and Hell. The problem you have to deal with as a musician and creator of music is that you have to fight against a market, a record-company and a world for brainwashed people. As creator or performer of pop-music in 1976 you very quickly become the victim of the economic powers of this world who have meanwhile also taken over pop-music. In the sixties the creation and performance of pop-music was a form of (social) protest. Now the creation and performance of pop-music have become big business and most pop-musicians are photo-models in disguise who behave like mindless marionettes in the service of the public and the record-companies.

http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm" rel="nofollow - http://elsew.com/data/oor76.htm


good theory about the overdubs , makes sense

Vangelis was understandably suspicious of record companies even in 1976 and with good justification. One likes to believe in the freedom of music but endless compromises....
 
This is larger than a newspaper article, yet got replies thus might be interesting. I don't know yet as just the length of it is overwhelming to read. On a better day maybe, will save this in favorites tab just in case.   


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 22 2014 at 12:43
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Howdy,

You are a very complex person. Sometimes your posts are among the most thought provoking and interesting stuff I've read on these boards while other times you write just about the dumbest things I've read on the whole internet. 

You may not know this but many of the musicians I know you genuinely treasure occationally use terms such as (favorite) soloparts and extended codas when talking about different parts of a compostition.

How about trying to accept that there's valid and honest approaches to both loving and writing about music that come across different than yours? 

 
Sadly, you are confusing "popular music" with other things out there. Calling the guitar style in Egberto Gismonti a "solo" is stupid, and bad music knowledge. Calling Keith Jarrett's majority of work a "solo" means the rest is worthless.
 
Pop music insists on "solos" to show its heroic side and its star appeal ... other music, does not. Calling Jon McLaughlin's work, just "solos" is like saying ... you're not listening.
 
It's all I'm saying ... not everyone plays "solos" ... and Daevid Allen laughed hard the one time I joked about a solo in Gong. He joked that there were too many individuals to bother with a solo ... but now everyone calls some of those bits "solos" ... and he goes ... "let them! But it won't stop me!"
 
Even classical music had problems with "solo" stuff ... they created concerti specially for an instrument instead and there is no solo in  the piece otherwise. And opera created an "aria" to separate that part from the rest of the music ... the only stuff that does solos is pop music ... the least complicated music design there is! Rock and jazz created the solo to make it look like the music is better and the player is more important! WOW .... kiss me!
 
But Mike Oldfield might call it a solo ... but Vangelis doesn't!
 
Not everyone is the same!


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 22 2014 at 14:28
But none of us are doing that Pedro
Where do you get these things from?
I would never dream of equating either Keith Jarret or Egberto Gismonti's work to a solo or solos, but there are solos to find in both of these artist's oevre....just like there is in Yes, Amon Düül ll, Can etc etc....


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 23 2014 at 10:57
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Sadly, you are confusing "popular music" with other things out there. Calling the guitar style in Egberto Gismonti a "solo" is stupid, and bad music knowledge. Calling Keith Jarrett's majority of work a "solo" means the rest is worthless.
No I don't and sadly you confuse me with a complete idiot that knows nothing about music. 




Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 14:24
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Sadly, you are confusing "popular music" with other things out there. Calling the guitar style in Egberto Gismonti a "solo" is stupid, and bad music knowledge. Calling Keith Jarrett's majority of work a "solo" means the rest is worthless.
No I don't and sadly you confuse me with a complete idiot that knows nothing about music. 
 
 
That was not the intent, unless you wish to think so!
 
All I'm saying is that many of the folks in "progressive" music also had the ability that has been in music for thousands of years to create something that today we like to call "solo" because we are not willing or capable of discussing the musical ability that those folks have, some of which would probably be way better than some of the best known performers in the last 500 years!
 
Why?
 
The old days had no media for anyone to hear things and compare, and today, this has helped foilks take that ability to incredible degrees of quality, and compositional elements that would not even be considered 300 years ago!
 
"Solo", in my book, is for the "hits" ... you don't go to see Turandot for one aria or solo. You don't go to see Clapton for one "solo" ... it's an idiotic idea. The issue is that we refuse to give rock music, and its many variations the credit it deserves as solid music that deserves consideration and mention in the history of music ... everyone here, talks about it as just another pop song with a bridge and a solo in it and nothign else ... and after a while that discussion, and THAT SONG are blank, boring, repetitious and have nothing to shake you with!
 
Why are you, and others, refusing to elevate teh music, when so much of it is way better than merely a pop song? Ohhh btw, Tangerine Dream is a bunch of fa****s and ugly old f**kers that can't play, since all they do during their shows is solo from beginning to the end ... !!!!
 
Sorry!!!! Your music definition and understanding needs to spread out a bit more. On the floor with a piss is a good start!


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 14:31
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
Why?. The issue is that we refuse to give rock music, and its many variations the credit it deserves as solid music that deserves consideration and mention in the history of music ... everyone here, talks about it as just another pop song with a bridge and a solo in it and nothign else ...
 
!
 
that is just complete bollocks


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 14:59
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Sadly, you are confusing "popular music" with other things out there. Calling the guitar style in Egberto Gismonti a "solo" is stupid, and bad music knowledge. Calling Keith Jarrett's majority of work a "solo" means the rest is worthless.
No I don't and sadly you confuse me with a complete idiot that knows nothing about music. 
 
 
That was not the intent, unless you wish to think so!
 
All I'm saying is that many of the folks in "progressive" music also had the ability that has been in music for thousands of years to create something that today we like to call "solo" because we are not willing or capable of discussing the musical ability that those folks have, some of which would probably be way better than some of the best known performers in the last 500 years!
 
Why?
 
The old days had no media for anyone to hear things and compare, and today, this has helped foilks take that ability to incredible degrees of quality, and compositional elements that would not even be considered 300 years ago!
 
"Solo", in my book, is for the "hits" ... you don't go to see Turandot for one aria or solo. You don't go to see Clapton for one "solo" ... it's an idiotic idea. The issue is that we refuse to give rock music, and its many variations the credit it deserves as solid music that deserves consideration and mention in the history of music ... everyone here, talks about it as just another pop song with a bridge and a solo in it and nothign else ... and after a while that discussion, and THAT SONG are blank, boring, repetitious and have nothing to shake you with!
 
Why are you, and others, refusing to elevate teh music, when so much of it is way better than merely a pop song? Ohhh btw, Tangerine Dream is a bunch of fa****s and ugly old f**kers that can't play, since all they do during their shows is solo from beginning to the end ... !!!!
 
Sorry!!!! Your music definition and understanding needs to spread out a bit more. On the floor with a piss is a good start!


You can't expect everyone else to think like you Pedro. The way you think of 'solos' are so far removed from anything mentioned in this thread that it literally boggles the mind. Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from, but that is NOT the discussion right now. 
The above post of yours is highly disrespectful of anyone who isn't 'in on' this pseudo interpretation of yours, and it is furthermore some of the most condescending bull I've read in a long time. 
Please refrain from talking down to us mere mortals. Seems like every post you write these days lashes out at innocent bystanders, collaborators or the site itself. If you cannot express your feelings without trashing your surroundings, then I wholeheartedly recommend you go somewhere else. 
You may not see it like this, but 90% of what you write these days is downright offensive. Take your snobbery elsewhere.

We are not refusing to elevate the music - on the contrary: we are trying to do exactly that - just through words and simple conversations that normal folks can understand using common words like solos, codas and the likes.....just like your favourite musicians do. Yep I'll bet that even Vangelis uses a word like solo. You just re-leave the word completely of it's meaning and take it even further - suddenly assuming that you know what and how we feel whenever we use such a word. How could you ever know monsieur Nostradamus?




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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 15:11
Perhaps it easier to ask what Synthesizer solos were NOT far out in early prog. LOL

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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 15:15
Nostradamus is a great Solaris album and I stand by that........now back to your solo arguments







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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 15:55
Just recalling another track worth mentioning for featuring a stunning synthesizer playing even if not exactly of the kind asked by the OP:
 
Camel - Lunar Sea
 
 


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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 27 2014 at 11:29
I'm sorry, but, for me, none will compare to "Stagnation" and "Lucky Man." These two gave me chills back then and still do today.

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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: November 28 2014 at 18:45
A full-blown synthesizer playing music piece:
   
Triumvirat - E Minor 5 9 Minor 5 
 


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 28 2014 at 18:51
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I'm sorry, but, for me, none will compare to "Stagnation" and "Lucky Man." These two gave me chills back then and still do today.
No synth in Stagnation, just Banks toying with the pitch on his Hammond.


Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 05:02
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

A full-blown synthesizer playing music piece:
   
Triumvirat - E Minor 5 9 Minor 5 
 

If you want "full-blown synthesizer playing [classical] music piece," then check out the entire catalog of Wendy (Walter) Carlos (circa 1971 to 1973 especially):  an early aficionado, promoter, and friend of Robert Moog's first (if not "beta") line of his synthesizer creations...


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 11:31
Originally posted by prog4evr prog4evr wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

A full-blown synthesizer playing music piece:
   
Triumvirat - E Minor 5 9 Minor 5 
 

If you want "full-blown synthesizer playing [classical] music piece," then check out the entire catalog of Wendy (Walter) Carlos (circa 1971 to 1973 especially):  an early aficionado, promoter, and friend of Robert Moog's first (if not "beta") line of his synthesizer creations...
 
This. I was going to post the full version of "Timesteps" till I recalled (more like rediscovered) that Carlos does not allow music to be posted on Youtube. Even the original album version of A Clockwork Orange is truncated, i.e. only non-Carlos tracks are posted.


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 13:17
Besides "Switched On Bach," this was the first Moog synth I heard as a lad (1970), it comes right up in the intro!  The classic spacey synth sound (sine-wave I believe)

Great performance by Ian Gillan, one of his best! 






Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 13:30
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by prog4evr prog4evr wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

A full-blown synthesizer playing music piece:
   
Triumvirat - E Minor 5 9 Minor 5 
 

If you want "full-blown synthesizer playing [classical] music piece," then check out the entire catalog of Wendy (Walter) Carlos (circa 1971 to 1973 especially):  an early aficionado, promoter, and friend of Robert Moog's first (if not "beta") line of his synthesizer creations...
 
This. I was going to post the full version of "Timesteps" till I recalled (more like rediscovered) that Carlos does not allow music to be posted on Youtube. Even the original album version of A Clockwork Orange is truncated, i.e. only non-Carlos tracks are posted.
 
Hey that will be interesting indeed to check out! I thank you two for the info.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 05 2014 at 10:49
How could I forget?
These two cracking RPI tunes both sport the same angry duck-like synth, only put to use in remarkably different ways:




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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 05 2014 at 11:25
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Besides "Switched On Bach," this was the first Moog synth I heard as a lad (1970), it comes right up in the intro!  The classic spacey synth sound (sine-wave I believe)

Great performance by Ian Gillan, one of his best! 




Good call, Chuck. And synths courtesy of Quatermass/Sun Treader/Brand X musician Peter Robinson!Thumbs Up


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 05 2014 at 17:29
Colin Towns (Ian Gillan Band) has some excellent solos (on his ARP 2600) throughout Clear Air Turbulence. A stunning one especially on Angel Manchenio.
(Oops, it's from 1977, not early )
I'll make up for it by suggesting Falk Rogner's twittering VCS 3 noodling in Amon Duul II's song Surrounded By The Stars. There is also a clavioline credited.......


Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 10:32
ok it's just a small solo but the video makes me smile :)


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 17:19
Paul Beaver played Moog synth on those tracks:


The Ventures' Stawberry Fields Forever (The Beatles cover) from Super Psychedelics  LP released in 1967





The Electric FLag's M-23 from The Trip soundtrack LP released in 1967




also A Little Head  the track from the same album.








The Electric Flag's Growin` Is Easy  from A Long Time Comin'  LP released in 1968 











Posted By: calm_sea
Date Posted: December 28 2014 at 09:54
You haven't really defined what you mean by "early".
Would the Floyd's "Welcome to the Machine" fit into this category?  How about Camel's "Lunar Sea"? 

Are you just looking for trippy, expansive stuff which is far more textural and exploratory than purely melodic?  Pretty much every lick of synthesizer in Hawkwind's music was for atmosphere and texture, and was entirely experimental (to my ears). 

A lot of progressive rock, particularly symphonic and RPI, uses the synthesizer as another musical texture with which to play melodically.  This helps bands get the scope of sounds which an orchestra might have, but in a rock setting.  At least that's who I interpret it.  Love synths.



Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: December 28 2014 at 15:59


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: December 28 2014 at 17:03
The Doors' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NSz-9qqgKE" rel="nofollow - Strange Days , 1967.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_One_Here_Gets_Out_Alive" rel="nofollow - No One Here Gets Out Alive , "Strange Days" finds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Manzarek" rel="nofollow - Ray Manzarek recording "one of the earliest examples of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moog_synthesizer" rel="nofollow - Moog synthesizer in rock." The synth was hooked up with the help of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Beaver" rel="nofollow - Paul Beaver and played by vocalist Morrison."
 Wikipedia


Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: December 28 2014 at 17:54
Originally posted by calm_sea calm_sea wrote:

You haven't really defined what you mean by "early".
Would the Floyd's "Welcome to the Machine" fit into this category?  How about Camel's "Lunar Sea"? 

Sure.  I consider early prog anything before 1981, but of course that's give or take
a few years.

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Are you just looking for trippy, expansive stuff which is far more textural and exploratory than purely melodic?  Pretty much every lick of synthesizer in Hawkwind's music was for atmosphere and texture, and was entirely experimental (to my ears). 


Yes,  I'm aware of their music, but they really didn't do that many synth solos.  Their
guitar solos were often outstanding as far as being "far out."  What I mean by far
out is using more of the features of the synthesizer, or other processing, so that
it really makes you feel sound in a unique way.  Lucky Man,  And You and I's synth
lead lines, much of Banks work on Lamb, and some of Vangelis work does that for me.
IMHO, there isn't a whole lot of it, but its around.


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A lot of progressive rock, particularly symphonic and RPI, uses the synthesizer as another musical texture with which to play melodically.  This helps bands get the scope of sounds which an orchestra might have, but in a rock setting.  At least that's who I interpret it.  Love synths.

Me too.  I've played them since I was 13 when I built a PAIA 2720 kit with an older
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 29 2014 at 03:07
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


Your beloved classical music is the first to recognize the figure of "the soloist", stop talking bull$*t


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 29 2014 at 13:04
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

 
I loves me some Duke. This album, and Faces in Reflection (released the same year) and The 1976 Keyboard Album are tops.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 21:45
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
"Solo", in my book, is for the "hits" ... you don't go to see Turandot for one aria or solo. You don't go to see Clapton for one "solo" ... it's an idiotic idea. The issue is that we refuse to give rock music, and its many variations the credit it deserves as solid music that deserves consideration and mention in the history of music ... everyone here, talks about it as just another pop song with a bridge and a solo in it and nothign else ... and after a while that discussion, and THAT SONG are blank, boring, repetitious and have nothing to shake you with!
 
Why are you, and others, refusing to elevate teh music, when so much of it is way better than merely a pop song? Ohhh btw, Tangerine Dream is a bunch of fa****s and ugly old f**kers that can't play, since all they do during their shows is solo from beginning to the end ... !!!!
 
 
I was just listening to a Jascha Heifitz recording of Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto in D Major on the way to work today. Here's an edited movie version:
 
 
F*cking unbelievable solo, dude! Amazing how many of the greatest classical composers of all time put solos in their works. Why do you think they did that? They must not have consulted you. Had you only been around when Vivaldi was composing, there would be no silly solos in the Four Seasons. And the music world would be better for it! No needless soloists like Paganini, Vladimir Horowitz or Pablo Casals with their idiotic rock 'n' roll attitudes.
 
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Sorry!!!! Your music definition and understanding needs to spread out a bit more. On the floor with a piss is a good start!
 
You need to stop and read what you type before hitting the "post reply" button. Because you sound like a dick.


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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 13:46
Le Orme - Sospesi Nell'incredibile (Felona & Sorona)
 
Everytime I listen to this wonder l never tire of saying: "This is fantastic!!" Such a sheer expression of deep feelings translated to a genuine "capo lavoro"!
 


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 13:50
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Le Orme - Sospesi Nell'incredibile (Felona & Sorona)
 
Everytime I listen to this wonder l never tire of saying: "This is fantastic!!" Such a sheer expression of deep feelings translated to a genuine "capo lavoro"!
 


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yeah that album has spawned more 'just what was he playing' questions than any album I ever remember discussing.

the funny thing is Toni when asked about it... couldn't remember just what his keyboard setup was for that album LOL


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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 13:55
^LOL  hell yeah Micky! Maybe not even Toni himself remembers it anymore hahah

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 14:05
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

^LOL  hell yeah Micky! Maybe not even Toni himself remembers it anymore hahah


I doubt it... he has my email.. he never got back to me as he said he would if he remembered. LOL

unless he forgot about me as well.. if you really remember.. you really weren't there.

So when do we get the Le Orme never existed thread?


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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 14:18
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

^LOL  hell yeah Micky! Maybe not even Toni himself remembers it anymore hahah


I doubt it... he has my email.. he never got back to me as he said he would if he remembered. LOL

unless he forgot about me as well.. if you really remember.. you really weren't there.

So when do we get the Le Orme never existed thread?
 
LOL I'm for it too!


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 14:21
of course I'm waiting for the 'Micky never existed' thread... I have no shame..I'm all into vanity man. LOL What if Micky never existed. What would this place be like? Sleepy


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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 08 2015 at 15:26
Sensations' Fix is my favorite synthesizer based band.
A lot of their music consists of interaction between 
synthesizer and guitar. Whether you consider these 
passages to be solos or not would be up to the listener.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 09 2015 at 05:01
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


^LOL  hell yeah Micky! Maybe not even Toni himself remembers it anymore hahah


I doubt it... he has my email.. he never got back to me as he said he would if he remembered. LOL

unless he forgot about me as well.. if you really remember.. you really weren't there.

So when do we get the Le Orme never existed thread?

 
LOL I'm for it too!
Just what is the keyboard that opens up the album ?? I thought it was a mellotron many years ago, then a modified organ, now I'm thinking it's some distorted string synth....can't make my mind up......
........apparently, neither can Toni......


Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 12:34
Is there a place that has translations of these lyrics in Italian Prog?
I really have no idea what they are singing about.   It's probably
something I want to know. 


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Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 14:29
Haven't looked for a specific track solo but Manfred Mann's Earth Band "Nightingales and Bombers" album immediately came to mind relating to the Synthesizer.


Posted By: jacksiedanny
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 14:52
Aye.
Definitely.
Manfred was a master of the instrument.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 15:09
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:


^LOL  hell yeah Micky! Maybe not even Toni himself remembers it anymore hahah


I doubt it... he has my email.. he never got back to me as he said he would if he remembered. LOL

unless he forgot about me as well.. if you really remember.. you really weren't there.

So when do we get the Le Orme never existed thread?

 
LOL I'm for it too!
Just what is the keyboard that opens up the album ?? I thought it was a mellotron many years ago, then a modified organ, now I'm thinking it's some distorted string synth....can't make my mind up......
........apparently, neither can Toni......


LOL  funny... I took that album to work with me today and had a great listen to it..it had been a long time since I had listened to it.. and I still can not figure what he was playing.  I do think that is one of the great mysteries of prog rock, I've never seen a definitive answer to it.

I really can't remember anything of that era that sounds anything like it, whereas later musicians had access to all kinds of new synths and sh*t to play with.  Basically you had a few primitive synths and a handful of organs and that was it. Maybe it was something done up special by Farfisa? Who knows. He doesn't remember that is for sure LOLLOL


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Posted By: Daniele Spdavecchia
Date Posted: February 12 2015 at 21:50
I love Le Orme synth work on Felona e Sorona, even the melodies played on synth are interesting. I think Toni's Farfisa was running through a overdriven amp.

Another song with an unusual synth sound is from PFM: "Trama le Trame Blu"... the all song is very fusionesque with lots of interesting musical phrases.

The most dissonant work might be on Gentle Giant's "Acquiring The Taste" and Pink Floyd's "Atom Earth Mother" albums.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 00:21
^ Did Toni use Farfisa at all ?? I think I'm quite 'anal' (no - not in that way.....) about the source of obscure sounds produced by many of our beloved Prog bands, and this Felona thing has me quite stumped. I notice on the live album that Toni has the backing ripped off his, what looks like a Hammond, with all these wires hanging out of it. It's such a spacey, stringy sound I've heard nowhere else. Now, if Toni was too stoned to recall, I guess then, none of us will know. And it's an AMAZING sound which adds otherworldly texture to the piece.
I could go on for years about this subject - Ratledge, Stewart, Sinclair, DeCamps etc.
Why modern players don't incorporate these sounds and aural experiments these days ????

I think, for example, Jordan Rudess has his 'signature' sound - but it is almost like the equivalent to a shredding guitar. Same for Hans Lundin from Kaipa. Almost like a synth that emulates guitar. Recent Le Orme too.
I simply fall for unique sounds and how they are generated, what equipment/effects were used etc.
I'm dumbfounded Pagliuca can't recall what stuff he used. Hey, I'm messed-up and I can still pinpoint the first time I heard the song 'Babe' on the radio, and I was 7, on a camping trip with my Dad and Sister, and fishing of the shore of a place called Lakes Entrance. I even recall what I ate around then........ a thing called a Hamburger. I didn't eat meat until this point in time. The takeaway joint was called 'Chequers', and I was hooked. I digress.
All I can say is that the dope back then was more effective than in the late 80's - early 90's.........
Toni...........rack your brain, lots of us need to know..........


Posted By: Daniele Spdavecchia
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:08
Pagliuca puzzles me too. While Aldo Tagliapietra (Le Orme bass and voice) continued on the same path, Toni seems to be a different person who took a more commercial path.

In the music industry in general everything has become very "safe". All the old bands use sample of the old sounds for their keyboards. On one side I understand that new instruments are more reliable, but there are lots of good new synths waiting to be tweaked.

I feel the words free and out-there are very rare nowadays in music, that's why we hold the past very dear.
I am glad I am not alone feeling like this.


Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:35
Opening "Felona and Sorona" sounds like a processed Hammond Organ.
A little faint phaser, some chorus and reverb.  It's going to take off the
initial attack if you cut off the original source signal and only record the
processed line.  He's probably using a Leslie amp as well.  A lot of tremlo
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Posted By: calm_sea
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 09:03
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

I'd like to recommend Gentle Giant's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQlB6bDKqjE" rel="nofollow - Alucard  , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIlG0TmxzTs" rel="nofollow - Nothing of All  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdF7htHoTPk" rel="nofollow - The Queen  (1970), The Who's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFaFlJpB3Qg" rel="nofollow - Song Is Over (1971),  Aphrodite's Child's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoQIgEw1Nk" rel="nofollow - The Capture of The Beast  (1972), Uriah Heep's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOp_Lokm58" rel="nofollow - Sweet Loraine (1972), Pink Floyd's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0y3msQOn_U" rel="nofollow - Absolutely Curtains (1972), Caravan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jaSzO4YYk" rel="nofollow - The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again (1973), and  Seventh Wave's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTclHg3Sd9Y" rel="nofollow -


Great suggestions.  Especially Caravan.  I absolutely adore that song and solo.



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