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Points: 11420 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2010 at 10:33
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

The labum he released in 1995, 'Outside' is rather experimental and mixes a lot of musical genres : indus rock, jazz, techno, pop...This is one of his most outstanding albums.



Yep agreed, probably my favourite Bowie album (but I'm not that keen on anything else apart from bits of Heroes, Scary Monsters and Hunky Dory)
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Bowie does good, intelligent, innovative, ever-changing music -- get over the "prog" label.
 
Seriously, I think this whole "but, for the love of God, IS IT PROG????" business is pretty pointless -- and this site, with its vast range of music styles, has largely made me think that.
The term means less and less (or is that more and more) with every new "sub-genre", "related" category, and far-ranging, or after-the-fact addition.
 
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2010 at 07:19
It's interesting how Bowie fans around here seem to fall into two camps: those who like his early stuff, but not much after the 70's and those who like his later 70's stuff and onward better.  I'm in the latter category.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 11420 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2010 at 10:01
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Bowie does good, intelligent, innovative, ever-changing music -- get over the "prog" label.
 
Seriously, I think this whole "but, for the love of God, IS IT PROG????" business is pretty pointless -- and this site, with its vast range of music styles, has largely made me think that.
The term means less and less (or is that more and more) with every new "sub-genre", "related" category, and far-ranging, or after-the-fact addition.
 
Just something to argue about -- or maybe a way to justify one's taste, or even to feel superior in your fortress of solititude. Geek
 
It's just  MUSIC, folks. Not a valid way to decide upon friendships (or the qualities of women) -- that's kiddy stuff.Stern Smile
 
 
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I do empathize with your sentiments here and yes, the never ending search for justification for subjective tastes in pseudo objective 'my Venn diagram says it's Prog' terms is tiresome

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Until such time as the whole raison d'etre of the site is changed by (Max, I guess?) then we will continue to be governed by the stated aims of Progressive Archives

Perhaps like yourself, I've long held the view now that PA faces something of a crossroads (more likely a roundabout with our membership) Wink and that what started as a strict exclusive policy, has for the reasons you stated re the controversial 'related' additions and proliferation of sub-genres, become so blurred between the incestuous definitions, that we are tantamount to being part of the way towards an inclusive site. This won't be a bad thing in my book but a clear watershed has yet to be established and I wonder if the members of PA would be so opposed to the site becoming an archive where Yes, ELP, Crimson and Genesis would happily rub shoulders with (say Television, Magazine), Bowie, NIN, Robert Plant, Sparks, Sabbath etc and all the other artists whose only common feature is that their music excites the members?

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Edited by ExittheLemming - November 11 2010 at 10:02
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2010 at 11:06
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Bowie does good, intelligent, innovative, ever-changing music -- get over the "prog" label.


 

Seriously, I think this whole "but, for the love of God, IS IT PROG????" business is pretty pointless -- and this site, with its vast range of music styles, has largely made me think that.

The term means less and less (or is that more and more) with every new "sub-genre", "related" category, and far-ranging, or after-the-fact addition.

 

Just something to argue about -- or maybe a way to justify one's taste, or even to feel superior in your fortress of solititude. Geek

 

It's just  MUSIC, folks. Not a valid way to decide upon friendships (or the qualities of women) -- that's kiddy stuff.Stern Smile

 

 

Sorry -- I'll go away again now. Wink
I do empathize with your sentiments here and yes, the never ending search for justification for subjective tastes in pseudo objective 'my Venn diagram says it's Prog' terms is tiresomeBUTUntil such time as the whole raison d'etre of the site is changed by (Max, I guess?) then we will continue to be governed by the stated aims of Progressive ArchivesPerhaps like yourself, I've long held the view now that PA faces something of a crossroads (more likely a roundabout with our membership) Wink and that what started as a strict exclusive policy, has for the reasons you stated re the controversial 'related' additions and proliferation of sub-genres, become so blurred between the incestuous definitions, that we are tantamount to being part of the way towards an inclusive site. This won't be a bad thing in my book but a clear watershed has yet to be established and I wonder if the members of PA would be so opposed to the site becoming an archive where Yes, ELP, Crimson and Genesis would happily rub shoulders with (say Television, Magazine), Bowie, NIN, Robert Plant, Sparks, Sabbath etc and all the other artists whose only common feature is that their music excites the members?Sorry to go off on a tangent Embarrassed


Off at a tangent, possibly, but excellent posts both

Personally, I've always found Bowie's 'Warszawa' to be extremely proggy

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Points: 2206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2010 at 23:43

Prog or not prog?  Nonsense to me.....this site has turned me on to some groovy music and the addition/exclusion of bands that may fall into one of the many categories doesn't water things down, it just adds to the possibility that somebody somewhere might happen upon a review, feature or forum discussion that might turn their head in a new direction.

Arguing for inclusion, to me, is just a way of passing something one may believe valuable to another....I don't think ego is involved, just love of music.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Points: 9669 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 07:44
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Prog or not prog?  Nonsense to me.....this site has turned me on to some groovy music and the addition/exclusion of bands that may fall into one of the many categories doesn't water things down, it just adds to the possibility that somebody somewhere might happen upon a review, feature or forum discussion that might turn their head in a new direction.

Arguing for inclusion, to me, is just a way of passing something one may believe valuable to another....I don't think ego is involved, just love of music.
Fair enough.
 
 (Bowie is listed on PA, of course.)
 
I love that album, BTW, and i've reviewed it, if you're interested: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=279786
 
If you like the rocking Mick Ronson-era early Bowie, then other essential albums are the superb Ziggy Stardust, and the somewhat uneven Aladdin Sane. Hunky Dory is another early must-have.
 
 I have almost all of Bowie's discography -- his albums encompass many styles, and many are gems, while some have only a song or two to recommend them. I'd be happy to help you select more to try, if you like.Smile


Edited by Peter - November 12 2010 at 07:50
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 07:45
Hmmm - but do they contain Mellotrons?

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