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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 08:40

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
K2 has typical Neo keys

K2 has typical Neo guitar

The 8 members of both teams decided in a determined moment that the band was better under Neo Prog

Most of the well known Prog sites have them as Neo Prog.

 
Everything points towards Neo Prog,
 

 

Hi again, sorry for the late reply! I disagree with your first two points. Especially with 2. Allan Holdsworth's guitar sound is certainly not typically Neo. Holdsworth's sound is totally unique and I have never heard anyone else who sounds like him. If there is any kind of connection between his playing and those of Neo-Prog guitarists it is because these players are influenced by Holdsworth and certainly not the other way around.

 

About 1. The keyboards in K2 are not typical Neo in my opinion. They are not pure vintage for sure, but they sound nothing like the 80's keyboards in Marillion, IQ, etc. If I'm right the keyboard player in K2 is a member of Spock's Beard? I don't know that band but they are listed as Symphonic Prog.

 

About 3 and 4. This is true, but irrelevant. We are debating whether K2 should be in Neo-Prog. The fact that they already are in Neo-Prog is hardly an argument in favour of that they should be there. I respect their decision but it cannot be used as an argument in favour of that decision.

 

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Well,then we are in serious troubles, because in PA we have::

 
301 Neo Prog bands

72 are from the UK

229 are  from outside UK

37 USA

22 Italy

15 Poland

Etc.

 

Why would we be in trouble? I never said that Neo-Prog is exclusively British. I only said that the genre/movement began there and that for non-UK bands to be associated with it they have to be followers of the original movement. Obviously, the influences from these UK bands have spread to the rest of the world. But I cannot detect these influences in K2's music.

 

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I don't agree with that, because it would be placing limits to the creativity of Neo Prog artists.

 

No, it would not place any limits on the artists at all. But it does place limits on how we categorize newer bands.

 

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Neo-Prog and Symphonic are two branches of the same three

 

Indeed! But I don't see why K2 should be counted to the Neo branch on the tree, though.

 

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

[Holdsworth's] roots are in a different genre, being that Allan is considered a JAZZ  or FUSION artist before than a pure Prog artist, so his membership hardly will make a band Symph.

 

I agree. But it should disqualify him from Neo-Prog (that, after all, started in the 80's) unless he started to display obvious Neo-Prog influences.

 

Thanks again for a good debate!  

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 08:47
Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

If you are so convinced that the early neo should be from the UK then how do you explain the Italian band Mad Puppet made a clear 100% neo album in 1982 called Masque?
 
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Same thing (though a bit later) with Swiss band Deyss which made their debut (At King) in 1985 although if you look at the cover from that album you can detect obvious similarities with Marillion's Script.
 
I must admit that I have never heard of these bands.
 
Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

The examples I mention are all 100% neo and just as significant for the subgenre as Marillion, Pendragon and IQ even though it's true that these bands are the cradle.
 
That was all I wanted to say.
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